on the border so that, well, it was effective for them, this group should be at least 40,000 personnel in number, and because that is exactly the number. we did not cope with this task, but we understand that such a number would be unrealistic. now we are talking about chimobik , now we are talking about not a professional resource, not a high- quality resource. so, it is much more than 40,000, 50, 60,000, at least this is the initial number should be in order to form this strike group, an overview, and in addition to this, it is necessary the number of regular equipment, well, that is, if you understand it, for each battalion , there should be at least c11 tanks, it should be 33bm, it should be artillery, a barrel-reactive with it, and missile complexes

fish and so on and so on. that is, there are hundreds of pieces of equipment and it is not there. that is the point of fully equipping such a number of personnel, 60, for example, thousands and er, they had a complete set of such equipment there is no such thing as a full-fledged strike group in the russian army. no, it will not be formed, something like a marching battalion. it is likely, but it will take at least two or three months. belarus, that is, if they start doing it already tomorrow, they will be able to form a strike group somewhere around the end of march, the beginning of april . thank you, ivan stupak - military expert , sbu employee from 2016-15, and oleksandr kovalenko of the military-political review of the information resistance group was on our air. and

now we are turning to our next speaker, ivan the book - this is the people's deputy of ukraine, the head of the committee on ukraine's integration into the european union . her about the political choice of what was discussed with the military experts just a few seconds ago, which is quite important precisely the political part of how this anti-kremlin coalition can be formed. greetings from ivanna good evening and happy holiday to you. well, let 's still try to understand what is really happening in this story with the anti-kremlin coalition, how much the west can be consolidated during this difficult year, when certain economic problems are brewing for the countries of the european union and for the countries of north america, all these troubles which were

provoked by russia, in one way or another, are attributed to ivan ivan klymburshtyn sadze, people's deputy of ukraine, head of the committee on integration of ukraine under the european this is a really important topic for the union, because we see how european leaders are now. they are trying, on the one hand, to keep such a hard line in relation to moscow, on the other hand, we are already hearing words about mediation, let's say from the italian prime minister george melen, as i said that italy could be a mediator in the war with russia from ukraine, although it will continue to help ukraine, and here, by the way, i also think that western politicians are not the same as those issued, sometimes they do not understand such reasons, because they received a reprimand from kyiv and from moscow, where they said no, italy can't be any mediator because it helps

ukraine by supplying arms with anti-russian sanctions, and who can be a mediator anyway? i'm curious. well, the question is that russia doesn't need any mediators, nor turkey, not israel, not the european union , just her always explains why, well, it's not an intermediary, because he supplies ot mr. ivano , the problem is really economic in the countries of the european union and, in principle, in many countries of the world in connection with russia's military attack on ukraine, they did not start yesterday and they really act on an increasing basis. and many people want to take advantage of these problems in order to maximally change the settings of those countries that are helping ukraine today and to change the settings of societies and politicians in

favor of the russian federation, but it seems to me that just society and the setting is bad today the connection with a certain bathroom but what she says is quite important because really social solidarity i also agree it's an important thing absolutely important definitely just where are we when we talk about support of this or that country i always think about that and this is the support of politicians who are people or politicians who listen to their people and to what extent let's say that supporting ukraine now is absolutely necessary in order to have some kind of political future in our country as far as we are a factor of how important it is now. well, in my opinion, it was the support of western societies that determined the behavior of politicians in most countries of the

western world in relation to ukraine and in relation to the continued and increasing support of ukraine and it is fundamentally important for us now not to lose this support. and this means, in fact , to continue to support our presence in the public, including the media space of the western world. unfortunately, this tendency to cover events in ukraine and this war by the russian federation against ukraine is now because ukraine is mostly disappearing from the front pages, and this can have a negative impact on the level of support for politicians. it is impossible to come to an agreement. and it is only because of the defeat of the kremlin, the defeat of russia in this war

, that a peace can be obtained that can a-a be stable and long-lasting, and it is precisely this calculation on a-a ration and on e objective awareness of the situation that has not been there for a very long time and we do not managed to achieve it, i remember many, many times how many times we had to hold various negotiations with colleagues from the 14th year, and we saw that, unfortunately, such a sober assessment of what russia is today supports and this leadership did not have such an awareness in europe or in the free world. unfortunately, even today, many people still continue to believe that this is putin's war and not a russian war, and here we still have to work in order to explain to the end

what unfortunately, the entire russian society must pay the price for and must be punished to bear responsibility for this war that they started and are waging today against ukraine well, i want to people who are interested in political processes there recently appeared this exciting political show and the removal of the speaker of the house of representatives of the american congress. i think you also watched it from the thesis, we all followed it, i think i already learned the last names of all american congressmen in 15 rounds, as we once did knew the names of some soviet leaders, because they were also constantly repeated on television, so it was impossible not to know. and now we know all canadians in essence, but the result of the election of the speaker is considered the american one media became the fact of the agreements of the new head of the chamber of workers, mr. kevin makar, with such a pandering part of

his own party regarding the serious reduction of the military budget, and the reduction of the budget is the reduction of aid to ukraine, and the reduction of aid to ukraine is precisely pushing ukraine to negotiate with moscow, and this is allegedly does not apply to ukraine in any way. this is an internal political american reality , but if you look closely, these forces are interested in the united states helping ukraine as little as possible in order to help the president of russia, vladimir putin, to win this duel with the civilized world. well, they are pushing their intentions through the back door, through the back door. well, i would not say that even this is such an agreement, it will definitely result in a reduction of military aid to ukraine from the united states states of america, and first of all, you and i will also understand that with such an election of the speaker from the republicans and these

agreements, this does not mean that all the republicans. a one-vote advantage, and this does not mean that all republicans will be ready to adhere to this agreement, which was concluded in order to elect the speaker . uh, you know, at the beginning of december, my colleagues and i were uh, in the united states of america and just repeatedly received assurances from the side , including the republican party, various of its representatives and in the senate in the congress already in the newly elected representatives, who constantly talked about the fact that, after all, this

moderate majority of republicans is categorically positive about the continuation and increase of military support for ukraine, so i hope that this will not have a direct impact on the budgets allocated there for although ukraine is convinced that they will continue to use this map in the internal political struggle after these midterm elections to the congress, in two years there will be presidential elections and already during this year it will begin, it has already begun de facto. well, such primaries and companies within the political forces for the next on the next head of the white house and this will definitely be a-ah well given signs a-ah of the extent to which the united states will continue to be leaders in to this process of providing military aid to ukraine, i could

be wrong, i’m just clarifying, isn’t it just for this case that a lend-lease program was approved for us from the united states, under which we still do not choose, the united states does not provide us with assistance, that is, i understand that the budget is still based on the amount of money in it. but i want to remind you that just this story of lendlease, it was initiated by the republicans first of all, and in order for the lendlease to start working, it must be supported by such a government the agreement between the united states and the ukrainian government , which has not been concluded to date, so of course this means the allocation of additional funds, but it also means, er, the execution of such orders for the defense industry of the united states e for various for various companies that work in this area so

that they start producing weapons that the united states could transfer within the framework of this lend-lism. for ledlist to work here, it is important to understand to what extent, in principle, all pre-election battles in western countries will primarily affect the conflict, the other day an article appeared in the times. russia in taiwan can change the course of the war, but the presidential elections of the 24th year, the transfer of power of the united states is to taiwan, i am not talking about russia anymore, this is not the election of the 25th year, how far can you look so far to speak well, you know, the war will be different in the 25th year than the 24th and now the 23rd well, i would like to say

that not only elections will be held in the 24th year in the united states, but for example what will happen in various countries and in the european union and the european will be re-elected the commission and the european parliament and in many countries will start again in which today we are supported by election a-a election companies therefore any election process today in the countries of the free world that help ukraine to oppose the russian federation definitely works and here is this map of this war i i will tell you that, for example, in germany, the parties that lost the previous parliamentary elections did not get such a large number of seats as, for example, the greens, they are today part of the government coalition there, but the christian democrats they lost the elections in the local elections

precisely because the christian democrats and the greens most actively support ukraine, so they got additional seats , that is, the current position of the political forces in this war of evil against good or good against evil. it has an impact even on the local level of elections therefore definitely it will matter and definitely this card will be played the question is how much we will be able to keep and uh attention to ourselves and how much we will be able to work with different political forces regardless of where they are are in a position or in opposition to keep our agenda a-a-na in the ashes in the stars in the focus of their attention in their field of vision and for them to a-a understand deeply understand what is going on here what is at

stake for them as a result of this war, in fact, the result of the defeat of russia may be the restoration of the capacity of international law, let's say, and some foundations of international agreements in the whole world , and let's say if we assume, even in a nightmare, assume that russian the federation receives, well, some concessions from ukraine and, er, in some ways it wins in this war, this means a signal for a-and those countries in the world that believe that it is possible to change the e borders of another country, er , by means of force. it is very dangerous for many other countries and actually for their security and for the well- being of even the citizens of their countries, and this needs to be explained, and it requires such

political will on their part, and it requires responsibility and some courage, for sure , which is sometimes felt by individual politicians and it will not be easy for individual political forces. and there will be a war. the war will affect various political processes in the key e-e players within those countries where the elections will be held, which are currently the leaders of the processes of supporting ukraine. of ukraine to the european union and now we will move on to our new speakers. this is mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine and yurii chornomorets, doctor of philosophy, sniper of the armed forces of ukraine and a volunteer, and we agree on what happened today in including in the lavra. congratulations, mykola, let's roll out, yuriy. good evening, vita. today we saw the first such christmas service in the dormition

cathedral, which you started in the lavra just a few months ago. you could have thought it was absolutely impossible, unreal, it turned out that it is possible. and here's to you, mr. mykola the question is, what will happen to the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, what fate awaits it? well, look, we submitted a project by our colleagues to ban the activities of the russian church in ukraine, as well as its branches so, the ukrainian church, the ukrainian orthodox church, which is called the church of the moscow patriarchate, it does not call itself that, it must either completely sever ties with russia, with ukraine, the aggressor, which i think they don't want to do, or stop what they said, if they sever ties, then the answer is fine . today, patriarch bartholomew congratulated the ukrainians and said that there is no other way out than for everyone to unite in a single local autocephalous ukrainian church

. i think that many ministers of this church have at least when this russian influence ends, a large part of them will breathe a sigh of relief. and those anti-ukrainian activists who work there mainly work for russia, well, they will probably be punished if they continue to work or at least do not pose a threat to our national security, mr. yuryu how would you characterize that fact that today metropolitan epiphany appeared in the dormition cathedral of kyiv-pechersk, and metropolitan pavlo, metropolitan of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate, was standing there by the barrier with a displeased look you know what is realistic, well, i want to say that this is not who you are. baum, this is a barrier, they did not have a lavra. i stood there for them. that

is , for us. in the main cathedral of the lavra, and this cathedral is shrouded in thousand-year-old legends that it was founded as a place of special presence and special patronage of the mother of god, and it is very important that finally it is in this cathedral that the head of a completely independent churches, what exactly is here on the territory of kyiv, a dream only of the time of yaroslav the wise, when was the first attempt to proclaim autocephaly, and accordingly, here we see that it really came true, it is the same as for europe as the fall of the ukrainian wall, that is, for ukrainian orthodoxy. this is the beginning of events, and we see that already after lunch there was news that 13 bishops of the moscow patriarchate in

ukraine were deprived of ukrainian citizenship , and accordingly i think that various measures in relation to minimizing the influence of the moscow patriarchate on the ukrainian orthodoxy, they will continue and they will be complex and very rational. thank you, mr. mykola, actually, what will happen to the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, we can see in the near future, it turns out that the information that appeared today, the ptu can or will be able to use it in the near future the object for religious services, respectively, and in the lower lavra will remain the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate of the defect of the rpc as at this moment, how long can our cultural monument be in this status, i will remind you except after all, it really is a state monument. i

personally am a supporter of these extreme buildings belonging to religious organizations that should actually be there and that were once built, and therefore definitely the lavra should belong to the pts, i have no doubts about it, uh, obviously with an open there are many museum treasures accessible there, and the law on museums applies to all forms of ownership of private museums and state museums, including public organizations. the church is essentially a public organization. but it will well, now, from my point of view, the main task is to stop the influence of the russian church on ukrainian society and ukrainian orthodoxy . that this influence poses a threat to national security . first of all, for me, as a politician, as a citizen, everything that poses this threat, in this case, the russian orthodox church and its branch in ukraine, is essentially

a unit of the fsb of the russian army, and calls to knock out the ukrainians and further, either as i have already said, or they will refuse this and he will testify that there are no connections with the russian church in the statute, there is no mention of this in any documents alicia, they do not support any connections with them at all, they condemn them and then they, as a religious organization, will be able to claim some buildings can be their owners, but i am absolutely convinced that the owner of the lavra should be the orthodox church of ukraine, what do you think of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate? it has the ability to resist, that's what i said vlad the public pressure on her because it is obvious that she may not be a believer in the uoc itself, but many people who are outside this church would like her not to have any

canonical ties with the moscow patriarch. 74% of them would like to ban the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, and the leadership of this church is completely pro-moscow, facing great opposition from priests, that is, there are several movements of priests who are initiating a trial there by patriarch kirill on the part of the ecumenical patriarch and other ancient patriarchs, accordingly, the dreamers also collect a large number of signatures, and here accordingly, well, let's say, according to the canons, those bishops who are collaborators, they could be deprived of all the ranks of the priesthood and stand at the door of the temple and repent to ask for forgiveness from everyone who enters the temple, this is the canon that was adopted in byzantine times and accordingly, we suddenly see on november 23 the synopsis of this church

suddenly says that uh, you know everyone who is there in the occupied territories in that among those who cooperated with the enemy, these were not collaborators and heroes, and accordingly, then it is clear that such facts cause a huge disturbance not only among this ukrainian society itself, but also within the uoc itself and even among the monks of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, and because to distract actually, the lay people from this topic , they are promoting all kinds of propaganda , the anti-ukrainian process, that this is like persecution, they are similar to the bolshevik persecution, that it is , accordingly, that, well, russian statements, everyone allows anti-semitic, anti -semitic statements about what we have

accordingly, these persecutions did not just happen and i believe that accordingly, all these people should be punished. who allows this , article 161 for inciting religious and ethnic enmity, because we absolutely do not need this during the war, and they, accordingly, are against ukrainians work within ukraine and, in addition, they work on all international platforms to which they have access, this systematic work against ukraine must be ended and even based on the corresponding sentiments within the church itself because this connivance of collaborationism causes indignation even within the uoc itself and, accordingly, to review all violations of the rules for the use of temples, violations of the legislation on the protection of monuments and the

like, and to take various systematic measures constantly. in fact, there are several movements of clergymen, i think, together with the laity, they move it all, who initiate some processes regarding the patriarch and kirill, so on the other hand, these people remain in the structure of the uoc mp. and tomos we four years as they received in the end and it seems to me that no one has any questions about the canonicality of the orthodox church of ukraine, but they do not go through this process took place for a certain time, but then somehow it seems to me that something went wrong , can you correct me? they threw out all references to the moscow patriarchate in the charter, but left as a fundamental reference the charter of the 1990s,

which granted independence in management, but in fact they do not have the status of either an autocephalous or an economic church. here they are were called to bring down this protest movement inside the church, now that they have adopted various anti-ukrainian decisions, which leads to collaborators pro-russian decisions, this protest movement is gaining strength again and, accordingly, this is a huge problem for the uoc because, as mr. mykola correctly says , it is necessary already races forever choose what or they uh take root here in ukraine and there can be various models because the state, of course, supports if the processes of unification are underway, but if they simply separate from moscow then this is also quite tolerable for the state, but the main thing is that they make a final

decision, if they are with moscow, then the state must also make certain decisions with consequences, because no state, even such an absolute separation between the state and the church as france , for example, will ever tolerate there radical religious preachers in this style that preaches the last days vladyka pavlo vladyka longin other their leaders absolutely anti-state things absolutely incitement in horodnytsia within society and accordingly well, even if france, which of course does not interfere, would simply expel such preachers from the country and that's all, that is, there are no options here, no countries in the world, even with the greatest degrees of religious freedom, would not tolerate such things. somehow it is impossible to tolerate it any longer, this

was absolutely the state policy, i had a long correspondence from the state service of ethnopolitics, which is responsible for these questions , about how mr. yelensky came there and now we are all waiting for positive changes and we can already see that the transfer of the upper lavra for the possibility of serving the ptzu - this was one of the initiatives, as far as i know, by victor lensky and other patriots who are in power, and before there were other people and these other people claimed that the statutes were not it is necessary to register, they even wrote to me in response that the autocephaly of the ukrainian church will be recognized only when it is accepted by the entire orthodox cathedral, it was a city, they did not recognize it in the tomos a month ago, a ukrainian state body. obviously, they did not encourage transitions and even where parishes and even priests tried to transfer to the psu to the bodies responsible for registration in regional state administrations