hmm, somehow it is absolutely impossible to continue to tolerate it, mykola, why do we tolerate it, uh, that was the state policy, i had a long correspondence from the state service of ethnopolitics, which is responsible for these questions, about how mr. yelenskyi came there, and now we are all waiting for positive changes and we can already see the transfer of the upper lavra for the possibility of serving the ptzu. this was one of the initiatives, as far as i know, by viktor zelensky and other patriots who are in power, and before there were other people and these other people claimed that statutes were not needed to register, they even wrote to me in response that the autocephaly of the ukrainian church will be recognized only when it is accepted by the entire orthodox cathedral, there were places in that they did not recognize in the tomos a month ago the ukrainian state body. obviously, they did not encourage transitions and even where parishes and even priests tried to transfer to the pcu to the bodies responsible for registration in the regional state administrations blocked these transitions

, now this situation has changed and we can only welcome and fully support it yuriy because when we say that in our country the church is separated from the state, you know, this is a two-way movement, because the state does not interfere in the affairs of the church, but the church has no right to interfere in the affairs of the state, and anti-state sermons, anti -state literature, hiding some spies there, this is direct interference in affairs of the state and here the state must take care of national security and started two therefore, these processes can only be welcomed and i hope that now this situation will change much faster thank you mr. mykola thank you mr. yuri mykola kniazhitsky yuriy chornomorets were at the end of this hour in our program. now we will take a break for the christening literally for a minute and continue our conversation: cinema, predictions, sports, music,

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closer. portnikov and now that part of our conversation when we can talk, but there are your thoughts and reflections that also very valuable revealed to you a secret for our viewers. so let's go let's start with the main one today's event because historically i think it will definitely be appreciated as the first in the history of the orthodox church of ukraine. the christmas service is absolutely beautiful , constructive, beautiful, balanced . how do you see in general our awareness of what happened? you know, i can say a fairly simple thing. in fact, what happened is, in principle, such a real

historical event, a historical event that is connected with the fact that in principle it is still a few weeks ago. by the way, a few weeks on the spot. and if you and i were told that the orthodox church of ukraine would be able to hold a christmas service in the pew, we would not believe it for the simple reason that we knew that ukrainian hierarchs always served in these cathedrals of the orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate. by the way, even without the moscow patriarchate. i remember i live near the lavra and have been there quite often for years . i just love the area and i often visit there when various services are held. and i look at how we call metropolitan paul uh-uh paul mercedes, and some italian woman seems to have called him padre mercedes, and i think this is a representative of some kind, you know , a special, special phrase that exactly uh characterizes the state of the russian orthodox church itself. it is absolutely

obvious to me and connected, you know, with such a still childish well, youthful leadership, i was not the enthronement, the print lecture, the lecture of the movement of the patriarch of moscow of all russia. the church only came out, you can say, with an underground e-e, under kyrylivka, it changed radically, but they about oleksiy was quite strange, but i went to this internment because in general, journalists could already go to some events of the russian orthodox church, and i covered the synod, oleksiy was elected patriarch, i was there and i was just very interested, here i come and stand among the priests , because there were few journalists who went there then. well, i stand. it is extraordinary, and listen to what these people are talking about, whom i considered to be different from communists and bearers of some kind morals, oh, you know that this petra means

buying a new car, and you spent this kirila in an apartment there. how can you ask father montot to come there? you can earn such money. upset. well, many illusions disappear. when communism ends, you know about many things. you meet a dissident like that, and he is a person, let's say, so he must be in accordance with your morals and so on. he turns out to be chauvinist like socialists, why do you do this as the end of an illusion? well, that’s the same thing, but i won’t even talk about it . i saw the confirmation of these youthful observations of mine in the lavra, when you know, they come out after the service and everyone sits down. everyone has a luxurious car in moscow, i’m used to it in kyiv, well it looks strange, especially since in

moscow there are still no such large monasteries of territorial brains, in order to see this whole route, you have to go to serhiyevich and every time i visited you in another post, i simply did not get to it cars are a holiday for lovers of the western automobile industry, and here everyone has something to mean. they wrap their arms around each other, they kiss, he sits down, and i think that these people can generally carry the flock. in this regard, of course, the orthodox church of ukraine is different because it is not so mature of russian traditions that a priest is an official, that's where it comes from. it comes from peter oleksiiovich, a novel that destroyed the patriarchate , turned priests into officials, created walls, and all these people, with the exception of certain

some figures in the history of the church, also different to this figure, could have been chauvinist shareholders, they simply did not want such machines, the first post-revolutionary patriarch tycho they are all officials and the church that was restored by stalin during the second world war was exactly the kind of church that you were, prepotre alekseevich and now you will be with his vissalyonyvye and they cannot get rid of it those who do not respond to this action that we are officials in cars and that everything should be like in a state institution that this is the most important thing that we sit down that we decide budgetary issues that we have here, the state in the state, why did it close, uh, it changed, but you noticed that it blossomed, it did not bloom , it became a different form, because for kirill, he was a student of the late metropolitan and kozin, the people and

kalini, and metropolitan nikol always believed that yes, the catholics say that the russian church should not be like constantinople, not vytikan. he died in the arms of the pope. i am probably the first metropolitan nikol aa. not these without endless trips, not all of these, but what we wrote by the late venedikt when he was cardinal ratsanger in the 16th, not all of this work, and a of ivan paul ii or francis according to the new poem, in order to preserve the flock, this is a titanic work, but what is not you see in the vatican, the ministries , banks, newspapers, radio, state within the state, and they

also want to be such a state, because for kirill, nothing is more valuable than the vatican , which is not even the catholic church, and you created such a thing for me and mussolini, for him it is not, and for me it is not never looked churches, and i always asked what the ukrainian state would be like, or could it become a different one at all if it had such a church, because if we look at all the churches that hold these orthodox churches from moscow, we will immediately see this tendency to bureaucratic work where it does not exist there, the church immediately begins to behave differently, this is not a question of orthodoxy. do you understand this is a question of synodality, when you are not just serving the authorities. that's how it happens in the church, and you still want to be a part of the authorities, here is patriarch kirill sitting at the expanded collegium of the ministry of defense of the

russian federation well, if you don't change his clothes , he will look like an ordinary russian official of the middle class, well, a lot, of course, why if he does not forget one more thing, i am moral, absolutely all these people about whom we are told, patriarch kirill , metropolitan pavlo, all these members of the holy synod who get into these cars, they are basically monks, that is, in principle, they should not have property, why does a person go to a critical way of life, there should still be a life that is not theirs, they do not have it they want, in principle, if you want to have a car, an apartment, a boyfriend's wife, they are many different desires, you will find a monastery, you will live, you will work, you will create capital and make friends , you will have

lovers . that is, a person who preaches asceticism has no property, does not engage in intimate life, lives according to the commandment and is an example for his believers. so why are you in all these cars on pillows? well, you see, it's all very strange and that's why we are russian for me church we were very surprised, and what was happening with the ukrainian church also surprised me. and i noticed that as soon as people appeared who wanted to behave differently, like metropolitan volodymyr putin, he once wrote a large obituary about metropolitan volodymyr, because i think that this a person who has done a lot of work on himself. by the way, filaret. these are the people, the people of the soviet union, but they understood something in the 90s, not even about the independent independent church. and about this dependence on property from

sea ​​desires, you saw how filaret just walks, well, at least i didn't notice anything else, i didn't see the cars. let's say this, but she understood that if she wants to remain a real priest, they are soviet times, she has to, at the expense of metropolitan volodymyr, he was isolated, he was mocked by deputies from the party of regions, his own colleagues, all these pasha mercedes, when he was sick, a weak person. they did everything to practically isolate him, but what was interesting was something else that while the patriarch was oleksii ii such a person as metropolitan volodymyr there is a man of old traditions. despite all his connections with lubyanka and the like, they did not touch this unfortunate metal and volodymyr, at least from the point of view of his management of the church, as soon as

cyril became the patriarch, then there was an attempt to annex the ukrainian church, he has already started coming here pretending that he is in charge here first what he did was to put the ukrainian flag behind his throne, i don't know if he removed it there or not, but it's interesting i think it's not there anymore, well, that's how it was i that's why i don't understand why i didn't understand why a huge part of our compatriots with you do not realize the historical significance that tomos cannot be an independent state with a foreign church in the center, by the way, this shows the example of montenegro montenegro declared its independence in montenegro there was its own church which the serbs absolutely logically , from the point of view of their mini-imperial gods, they joined the serbian church, the montenegrin church lost its fortune, and president

belo-jukan managed to restore the independence of the country with four associates, but nothing it was possible to do with the church, the montenegrin church is small, non-canonical, and in principle, who led this crusade against the supporters of montenegrin independence, the serbian metropolitan amphilochia before his death and he essentially won, he slowed down the process of creating in montenegro not just an independent state, but its own political nation, that is, the church turned out to be a tool so that this political nation did not exist and could not rise , and now there is a fierce struggle, no one knows how it will end. and now let's take a closer look from montenegro to north macedonia in macedonia, the then leader of yugoslavia, the marshaltite , he wanted macedonia to be a separate

republic, macedonians to be a separate nation like the serbs, not like the bulgarians, and he essentially forced the macedonian priests to declare autocephaly, they did not really want many and the serbian heart like them they wanted to take them, that is, but this is a communist leader, so i want to have my own there, so i want, there is not a single serbian parish left in macedonia, not a single macedonian autocephalous church was recognized for 50 years. but after that, when this church appeared, no one had a question whether there were macedonians or not, and if the church had not appeared, the macedonians would have had the same problems with identification, as it does not sound strange, which are today in chornomorka and which many ukrainians have, the macedonian woman has a clear understanding of why he is macedonian, he comes to his church on holidays

, services are in the macedonian language. this church, god willing, is a reduced copy of st. sophia. so who and what is in constantinople and how am i in kyiv? which is also a replica for by and large, these go to it, you look at it with the macedonian as he says, you are bulgarian, you are sick, you do not understand at all who do you see, what is the church and me, your priest pronounces yours, i guess i am telling you that this language does not exist, that you do not have the same culture, in fact, it was just bulgaria with they say themselves no southern serbia but you see that church, you see this priest and you have no doubts, and they could be if this church had not rebelled macedonia could have dissolved already in the 90s among the neighboring states, half of macedonian said no we half of the serbs said we are bulgarians. until then, everything ended as it was with us, and i generally

always believed that the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate is a guarantee that ukraine will remain in the russian measure. i will tell you more that ukraine can win the war, but if the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate in the canonical connection with patriarch kirill, or who will be there after receiving kirill will remain the largest orthodox denomination in our country, ukraine will still remain in the east and not in the west he does not even doubt that 3-5 years will pass, the wounds will heal and ukraine will turn its face to the east again and there will be nothing else, look mr. vitaly, i don’t understand two things, the first, well, one thing, when we had the kyiv patriarchate and the ukrainian orthodox church , according to the kyiv patriarchate, all these insinuations about schism, apostates, and so on, so the second thing is when actually all these

issues have been resolved, agreed upon, and a truly autocephalous orthodox church of ukraine has emerged. i am not mistaken, it is very important for them to love . but there is only one grace, and that too unconditionally, but it’s just that what stops such a large part of ukrainians from transitioning, that is, the question of canonicality or non-canonicality. there is no longer any before. there are only about a thousand of us, it seems that there are cases when parishes transfer to the ptu in all four years, this is not a lot. politicians can answer as a journalist, as a politician, i will tell you that because people do not understand that they are used to this of his church for his father, and the father is related to other priests of the moscow church,

that he acts on his own basis, that people don't understand, they don't understand why one church is better, and which other is worse, or have they been used to going there for centuries, that is, a habit, i'll tell you that politicians, politicians need to be re-elected. i don't need to. i'll tell you the truth. the truth is that these people have such an identity that they lied when they said that they did not go to the kyiv patriarchate because the church there is without grace. they need this grace as well. to all other believers of the moscow church, because this is repeated again and again by the official organization to spit behind the bell towers of the annunciation cathedral of the moscow kremlin , where yesterday you could see vladimir vladimirovich putin himself, you could not see anyone else because there was basically no one there, only online well, obviously yes well, someone was there once, he used

to go there, maybe it’s underground , by the way, the annunciation cathedral, and i think about it all the time as he walks there on the street. i’ve seen mykhailo on the street many times. gorbachev's boris yeltsin never saw putin in the kremlin. i think he's somewhere underground, walking like a mole, but it's kind of like moscow. that is, the whole of russia is there. the president can enter this cathedral. there is some kind of underground passage. people like there have already been wounded, what types of ivan the terrible are not forgotten, everything underground should be like that, it's not about that, but they were, and somewhere from the point of view of their identity, a part of this very world of the russian world, this is their church they are pretending and now they are just are forced to pretend because it is a war that they have

some other considerations, in fact they all, from the priest to the last believer who wants to be there, just want to sit through this time, this is not a question grace is a question they know exactly whose this church is because it can be any adopt statutes. it may be something to write, but canonically, but i absolutely agree with mykola knyazhytsky, canonically , it is connected with the moscow patriarchate, well , everything is very simple, the territory of ukraine is the canonical territory of the ecumenical patriarch all that can be done by a person who realizes this is to accept it, to move himself or from the community to a church that has a tomos from the ecumenical patriarch if a person starts to speak no, this is

not the canonical territory of the ecumenical patriarchate, this is the canonical territory of the moscow patriarchate then she is already lying because if you ask from the moscow patriarchate from the carp and the ecumenical patriarch is your enemy, you say that they still say that, who is this istanbul iraq, they say that am i this canonical territory please tell me this is the first question which it is necessary to ask all of them onuphria to those who walk where whose draw is. it cannot be yours right away. well, that means if you think that this is the canonical territory of the moscow patriarchate, you should say so, it is not true, but then you should take the next step. you should contact the moscow patriarch with demand for autocephaly, as did the old believer church in rus of ukraine, they wrote a letter. i will not say now what is going on in their hearts,

but they legally wrote a letter to the old believer metropolitan of moscow and therefore to the metropolitan of belokrynytsk, who is in romania , in braille, both letters and with simple words that listen, we have lost contact with moscow, we have already lost everything, please give us autocephaly or subordinate to that metropolitan who is in romania, because our connection with the moscow old believer church is interrupted after all, we are not your canonical territory. they just did it. they did not. if they did it, then of course patriarch kirill never agreed with it, but then they would have somewhere to go to that ecumenical patriarch whom they they are paving again. the circle is closing for them, so everything they do is actually a game because what i am telling you they also know all this much better to listen to all these people well, i mean there the metropolitans all this and the members of the holy synod of the uoc and all others, they

all studied in the seminar, in the seminar, they teach all this as a canonical exercise, you seem to be there. well, some grandmother in the village may not be aware of this, but they are aware, so they all know which church they belong to. they also know all this an absolutely clear fact for me , an incomprehensible fact, another, and it is also absolutely obvious how much they can play with it and how much our society will accept it, because i am repeating all these transitions again, all these readiness to join the psu for one simple reason that all these people and all those people whom they support, they simply want ukraine to remain in the civilization that is native to them in the civilization, and the western civilization, for which they identify with me for the same reasons .

things, this idiot, metropolitan of longov, can be praised about the subway of the chernivtsi district, that the ukrainian state started a fight against him . because he is an orthodox patriarch, he cannot talk to the antichrist, oh my god, the logic in all that development of children, if you imagine that the russian patriarch takes some step, the ukrainians are simply diplomatic who say about his certain civility, these people immediately say that no, you are like all of them. that is, there are no such stories as we had yesterday, sviatoslav, for example, yes, yes, we congratulate our

catholic brothers on christmas there. these are all things, not you, christ, and if the patriarch goes and talks to the antichrist, the same antichrist, this is a well-known trick , and when these people tell that the ukrainian state is london, this hero of ukraine says, by the way, what he announced in the church, figure it out first, first remove the anathema from kirill, grandfather, well it is something absolutely absurd that we this person who just didn't put me on himself, i don't know that the metropolitan robe enters with christ, no one expelled him from there, that is, it turns out that when patriarch kirill meets the pope, you can subject him to anathema and nothing will happen to you. and when patriarch kirill blesses

the war 10 times a month and says, “congratulations to our army. here is an icon for you. you have killed more people. it’s not all that clear. we will not create any hanafs. i’m curious. i would like to ask a patriot here, can you? you are voting anathema to him now, maybe somehow this is an event. if you didn’t like the meeting with the pope so much, you may not like it either. that’s it. you understand this is complete and utter cynicism , and they really like to talk. negative evaluation of the order, she came to us with russian language. they always said, "oh, zoe, it's some kind of cunning and insidious, that's how it began to be perceived. but the most important thing is that they act, and i