he blesses the war 10 times a month, he says, “congratulations to our army. here is an icon that you have killed more people, then it is not all that clear . if you didn't like the meeting with the pope so much because you do n't like it either that's it you understand this is complete complete cynicism yes yes and they really like to say what does it mean for jesuits who are 200 experienced politicians and by the way, this negative assessment of the order came to us in russian. they always said, oh, use is some kind of cunning , it happened, but the most important thing is that they act like these caricatured

jesuits, whose jesuit propaganda they invented. so in this regard, we must clearly say that this is really the first step, that if the uoc mp does not unite in a special way into a single ukrainian church and if it remains as it is, a civilizational defeat will be as it will be waiting for us in 5 years after the end of hostilities. there will be elections, there will be a party of peace and progress , it is necessary somehow, you understand, relations with neighbors are being improved. yes, these were crimes, but it is necessary and economically very

important. no , you don't understand russian, it's not so easy to switch to ukrainian, it's necessary that time has passed, and these are all the people we see and their younger comrades, the new metropolitans, they will say all this to the traps in the churches, all these people will vote for this party of peace and progress and the party will win the elections. we can even be members of the european union, we in this european union will behave like hungary, so everyone will say , lord, the ukrainian people were so brave, but it turns out that they are absolutely rational, look, they lobby the interests of moscow, look through them all russian propaganda is going to european countries we want to be such a country to be a country at which 5 years after its heroic struggle against the russians and the occupiers,

fingers will be pointed if someone thinks that this is absolutely is in no way related to the role of the church, then he saw it, all this is being re-educated, i don't even think that this process can be stopped, but i really think that it is very important when professional work begins at the level of government. i am really glad that viktor yelenskyi became the head of e- of the state structure that deals with regulation, viktor yelenskyi was my director of the kyiv international freedom that i have been working for many years and i have to tell you that he is a sensitive person, professional and highly competent in these matters, but he is a kind of moral person, as we started finally turn to professionals when the question becomes very hot and finally an answer is necessary, everyone has to go through this for any people who create a

leadership for themselves from ordinary people who do not want to learn to seize everything at once, then when they are really established in power, something has to be changed, stalin had to be shot to all my former associates, veterans of the civil war, i do not justify these repressions, but the question is that these people were, how would you say, with a three-class education, as a rule, most of those who followed stalin, because at first stalin killed the educated people, he remained with this whole hop company. and when it turned out that it was necessary to build factories, it was necessary to manage the army , it was necessary, it was necessary, well, he decided that he would not shoot everyone, and then people appeared with some real soviet education, but what they began to manage factories, factories

, collective farms, they were not very good , we are not talking about good things, but because it was not the regime that flew, but professional people. adolf hitler and he also loved people from the people. it seems to me that perfumery was appointed as the minister of foreign affairs by who was ribbentrop, he is already a neplomat for him in a small gene for hands, most people next to hitler do not understand anything, he appointed a person who knew how to fly to lead aviation, but as a result, when needed, the head of the ministry of aviation turned out to be professional and it turned out that from this head of the ministry of aviation of the future flight marshal milkhov father, i apologize to the jews, can you imagine in the nazi reich, there were

such cases rarely, but labels, but they need there were airplanes for all these people who were ready to kill all the jews who saw the burning of 6 million people, they needed airplanes and they forced the mother of this unfortunate place to come to berlin and write that she gave birth to him because her husband was betrayed by some baron whom they never met saw the very necessary planes, you understand, for the sake of professionalism , even hitler, according to them, can take such steps that you do not expect from them, and here, too . the country of hitler's germany that zelensky was elected by the people and did not seize power like the bolsheviks or usurped it like hitler that

zelensky is thinking about the next elections and not a dictatorship well, i hope for her and in this situation to win the elections, to stay in power, to change the state is possible only if you get rid of to his entourage all non-professionals all away away away and i invite from professionals this cleansing of power from non-professionals will happen sooner or later the president of the country of the first person can afford the luxury of not being a professional because he is taken by the people, he has a popular method and in poor countries this happens very often in libero football players, as you remember the president, nothing happened to you, but it is very important who surrounds a person who has a popular mandate , if he certainly does not want to die along with his own population, this is well, also a question. you can

, in principle, be like no one. hitler clung to these scoundrels until the end, he brought germany to collapse, but he was on the dark side of history, and zelensky is in the light . you understand when there is a bright side for us . that's why i say the appearance of such people as yelenskyi in such responsible positions, where the future development of this country is determined, is a great honest achievement, because i 'll repeat it again, it seems to you that this is some small position, some ethnopolitics, something there , some service, and then it turns out that the whole big one the orthodox confession, she says lies about you, you as the president defended the country, supported and helped the development of

relations with the west, the armed forces were the voice, and the peace party says that you were from the war party. the previous elections, but then there was no big war. now we risk again, i repeat, we risk the very future states after the war state, to which we still have to live to live. as we all understand me, the purification of power and the purification of society is a direct path to this church, which will be a ukrainian church. by the way, i want to say that well, you understand very well that along with this, in the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate and among the priests, among the faithful, there are many honest people who simply understand very well how to get out of this situation. and i don't

i see you understand they have a ptsu and it was time to remove the question of canonicity why can't they just go excuse the identity well they are intemperate that we talked about literally 5 minutes ago in the minority church they can be bogged down in their own religious views it is difficult if you are internally in the system, you know this very well in any team , even in our team, we perceive bigger problems with people with whom we have been working for years between the problems of some strangers . that is, we know for sure that if a person with of some other journalistic collective committed some deed. we know for sure that we will condemn him much faster than the person with whom we have been working for several decades . the truth is such is the logic of any large collective. i saw it not only in journalistic collectives. i saw it in many different ones uh, people, you

don't understand why people keep away from each other, but you can see that this is a scoundrel. what do you think of him? well, there was a lot before this person became a scoundrel, you know. he beats, he's a scoundrel, but he continues to be with him, and i don't know. until the end of this drama named after lesya ukrainka raznikovych, who is now a representative of yes, not russian drama, yes, he is already exactly like this a-ah, i remembered how, how do you know, a betrayed lover cries in the open, i once saw the state secretary of the former boris yeltsin, gennadiy burls, he spoke like that when yeltsin removed him from his post, it was a big speech, and it seemed to me that he was just sorry as a wife, how the husband did not deserve to leave, he just read some ancient book, you know, it was an ancient tragedy, your person is simply a tragedy for me in that

that she got rid of power, but she was next to someone and suddenly this person with whom she was going to live her whole life in power betrayed her. how could this happen? treat specific people with more disrespect i would say and attention we can really tell you you have time you have opportunities what are you for what are you holding on to it is already dead here but they don't understand it until the end today i had a conversation with victoria today bilonraschuk who actually once played in lesya ukrainka's theater. she left this team and she speaks so vividly about the fact that this team is about to say its word about that manager who actually usurped everything there until february 24 in 90 % of our performances there were in russian, many people

disagreed with this. i had a question. did you leave there? until what is silent is speaking, people are speaking, people who have left this system are somewhat similar. i think it is also happening in the church, which did a great job in this theater. lesia ukrainka, i have to tell you that it is an incredibly strong work in general, and that i was a theater expert, because i wrote a candidate's thesis about it or the doctoral discipline, he managed to forgive me the actors and viewers of this theater to preserve the soviet theater in a specially chosen i would say in a specially chosen place in the city despite the fact that there are almost no soviet theaters left anywhere, you understand, not only in kyiv yes

franka, let's say not the soviet types, we are now saying good or not bad, we are talking about the tradition of the attitude to the performance, the material, the caretaker, the atmosphere, is there a young theater, it is not soviet, it is in moscow. can we call these theaters russian sounds that were at least there before the beginning of this war, the leading theaters for many viewers in the post-soviet space there, the moscow art theater of the oleg tabakov period, the moscow art theater, or the snuff box, or the vakhtangov theater , or the lenkom theater, mark zakharov, these were not soviet themes, was moscow a soviet one there was a moscow artist, the gorky academic theater headed by tatyana droga, which was later approached by a rickshaw, but i want to tell you that if you want to preserve

the soviet center in moscow, it is much easier. tetyana doronina tetyana doronina is a great actress although many people came from ukraine, in fact, he came to see her there in some roles, people were just ready to go and endure it just to look at doronin, great talent, and there was no one there. okay, dear, that is, the whole theater did not hold. you know, we want someone to leave. we want to look at the road in the end. of the people but he has a tabachnyk's wife well, that's understandable well, of course, that's logical and who, in principle, should play alone, and you see, if he wanted to, and that's what i consider such and such things of preserved soviet things

, we had more than in russia itself on the islands well, not in russia will be in moscow honest in moscow, because there were enough soviet theaters in the russian province, it itself remained a soviet theater , european spots began in st. petersburg, which now, as you understand, the actor’s scores, many went, well, that is, it is another story altogether, the story is a tragedy, the most important thing is that russian theaters to be soviet, they took to the risk of the lithuanians who have now fled from there, i remember how i was after the performance in frankivka with benyuk. it seems to me that we came to them from kostyakov with rimes tomingus and benyuk they told him something like that, and now i think i should go to israel to

put on a play. illimas is like a man here. you know, i really want to manage the vakhtangov theater. well, you know, it’s a big theater, there are great traditions. he didn’t even understand what they wanted from him, and i’m very sorry . i think, lord. well, you're a lithuanian director. well, really, we have certain problems with people of such a scale. why don't you put it? you put it here, because it's also a big country with a big audience culture, where there can be a big theater, you're doomed because sooner or later, russia will spit you out, karbauskas of the great lithuanian director who, in principle, accepted the tabakova theater did for him a real european thing for a short time, and i didn’t know how to explain it to him, i tried, well, that is, benyuka, someone like that, they were interested in it themselves what is it like to play with such a director? and i tried to just say something to him, but actually, well

, to put it mildly, of course, you still won't be able to preserve the vakhtangov theater for a long time as a european theater, someone will come it always happens in russian folklore that the sailor zaliznyak will tell the guard that the audience wants the second comrade here minus and they kicked him out, they kicked him out. why do they always kick everyone out ? who was left with them? well, that 's what i think. i would like to write such a work. but in order to write such a work , i had to go to lesya ukrainka's theater . keep in mind that there is some kind of organic continuity of something, even some of my good

friends did such soviet performances. i'm just losing it, you know, well , i'm losing something. i'm used to a real theater to a non-soviet one. but i see that tomorrow, as a child, we came to kyiv. khrystyna is caucasian theater that was not soviet, you kept it there, it was archaic, but it was real, you know that ancient, some armenian, georgian , azerbaijani theater there were beautiful actors who also remained in these traditions of their the collective and they were not touched there, they always beat us on the head and thought that franko's father was because he spoke a language that i understood and he could somehow understand there was hnata yura there was yakovchenko it was all so juicy that something healthy could grow out of it a the russian theater should be a free gift, it is understood as

a universally understood culture , and that is why it was actually turned into a museum in the soviet language. here, i had a theater in moscow . it's the 18th century, and that's why the people in this theater are always reactionaries, the great elina bystrytska, who was born in kyiv, supported the annexation of crimea, think what a shame it is . sometimes i think why be a great actress to betray one's homeland , it's strange to betray good at all marlin dietrich she left nazi germany because she was a bigger actress than 155 bystrica cylinders, but somehow they decided that she wouldn't be. that is, we can understand to some extent all these basque kirkorovs and the whole

a number of other people who today cost a park, no one has any name. well, kirkorov lived for a while, i will not talk on television , but i could give a list of people, but since among them there will be no such people as pugachev, let's be intelligent. then i will not i will be this program on secular life with greetings as a partner because all these people are nobody and i am always worried about the betrayal of a talented person when a person betrays his talents. i say again, i do not think that a talented person must necessarily be a good person, but always it's unpleasant to understand when i, because we are now reading all these stories about nikita makhalkov and about the bad things attributed to him, and before that, on new year's, he was the hero of the news because of his this idiotic program bisagon all day,

all day, she was shown all day on to russian television, we still say something about the theater of leznyakovych, 150 performances are better than one edition of lisbon, believe me, but once nikity mikhalkov was a wonderful director, that is true, that is, why did he have to turn it into such a betray your talent to a monster. well, let's say you have some kind of dysfunction, saying, uh, medicine, medical language. well, why do you need it after this dysfunction, if you can't accept life anymore, take off all its fullness, bezsolon, write him languages, sit down, you have a dacha for the whole time, you know rushed into various intimate places to every russian you can watch yeltsin ran to some book to yeltsinate with a pen oh my god yeltsin ran to some book oh now putin ran to carry something to putin what are you doing to them you are already an old man

the sand is already pouring out of you, you need to write a memoir of treason all your youth, he was already in his youth communicating with the great masters of western cinema, he was allowed because he was the son of the scoundrel serhii mikhalkov, and you mean freedom with them, he talked about free cinema, he was not a good person, no craft foreign films that people there could not produce because they were not allowed but he did talented things and now who will remember him no not even we will not remember him at all russians remember you pokidko well, why is he like that obituary, why such a biography, people with some kind of conscience, they were tormented, you understand, they were tormented, but they did not betray themselves, somehow they lived in the marigin of this oleksandr dovzhenka, a difficult fate because a person was tormented, she understood that you can not turn yourself into a monster, even when back then, when everyone was turning everyone, where was there a way out?

there used to be a million people, no, anyway, you ’re trying to settle down, i’m only talking about this, because when people of such a scale , you know, behave like this, i’m sorry when kirkorov and baskov who else is there shmydrik petrosyan petrosyan oh, he reads these nursery rhymes, well, grandpa, you earned so much on this television on these tours that you have enough for 150 more student- age mistresses 20 years ago yevgen ivanovich asked why do you often dine in restaurants with strangers, don't you think it's funny funny terrible no, you still try, you can joke about something not so soviet, you can

think about how it all looks, you know, even soviet satirists were people who faithfully served the party and read all kinds of nonsense and were raiking well, it's hard to imagine that some raikin behaved like petrosyan is important again. that's why it doesn't matter what these people do. the president introduced sanctions against them today, but it is necessary for people to introduce sanctions against them in their heads, what they do . the first thing they understood is that it is not a question of whether the people who created pink floyd are good or bad, you see, they alone supported us, they created this wonderful action with the frontman of the boombox , a scumbag, and the founders behaved shamefully. that is , this is a big group, you can't write it off, you don't want to to even think that you

will stop perceiving the music of pink floyd as a phenomenon because this person turned out to be such a fool. and if you erase the life of baskov kirkorov, this old woman , this stas pyehu, who sings only because he had a babushka, i'm sure if my babushka was wearing pieha, i would be the star of any festival right now. what's the problem with you ? grandma pieha, i'm pieha, all people over 85 will go to your concerts to see pieha, the wrong pieha is coming. pieha drove to jeans well , let's listen carefully to this piekha was also good, well listen, we are not talking about ukrainians now, because it seems to me that ukrainians are already in a completely different space, we can go to our

bubbles . well, we have see how our music scene has changed, all the same, soviet stars, they know how to wear this, uh, flowers in boots. these are the ones that have been here so far, so that means to come out and open this one. you see, we are now a european music scene, it is not like that anymore. this all it looks like we have different genres of groups, interesting personalities, it changes all the time, our frontmen are a part of the culture, it just becomes qualitative because it is in such a situation that personalities appear, this does not happen, this is pulling talent by the ears simply because they are either very similar to those who are we used to, or piekha's grandson, she is already too, it was always some grandchildren, some children, and this is

of course a huge problem, by the way, during this conversation we did not discuss a million topics that we wanted to catch. i apologize for that, i am a little guilty. we still have 3 minutes actually you can choose any of them and uh i think it's good that he talked about it because people today is christmas eve and people uh maybe not so important news as important this is a moral understanding why in general, darkness disappears and light appears, that's exactly why this happens when you make the right choice. maybe if some people today think about this, it's great that we can now go and listen to the sermons of our metropolitan in our lavra and then in pochaivsky hmm, what will we listen to television, radio, our actors, that we will have our theaters, you understand our european ones , and we will not assume that everything is best there, and after the war we will not assume that the

sermon is better there, that the music is better there, that the theaters are better there. they say it can be permissible , that is, in order for our culture to really sink somewhere into its roots and go to that level, of course, the culture of an ordinary central european country is no different from poland, the czech republic or hungary we differ only in that our compatriots constantly compare this culture with moscow with moscow, as soon as they stop comparing it with moscow and start comparing themselves and their culture and their world with the neighboring central european countries. everything in their heads will be on the same day, believe me my places , and it seems to me that this is also a very important thing. by the way, i will consider this to be a christmas miracle, so i want to once again congratulate everyone

on the holidays and once again hope that the next holidays we will meet in a peaceful country, this is very it's important. imagine that next christmas and you and i are talking about all these topics, not because we don't have to, we don't want to cover the war on such an evening, because he isn't here, this is very important , what we should wish our viewers, thank you, christina, and the saturday political club see you