it is a worldwide network of democratic countries that are ready to invest in it, therefore it is definitely one of the options and it is being discussed both at the level of experts and at the level of politics. on september 30, 2022, ukraine submitted an application for accelerated accession to nato at the end of 2022. french president manuel macron said about the fact that well, he doubts that ukraine will become a member of nato because, after all, he, as i understand it, is going to negotiate with putin about our membership in the north atlantic alliance. the main item will probably be on the agenda of the members of the north atlantic alliance, what will prevent us from joining nato, what else prevents us from joining nato externally, despite

the fact that we are already fulfilling one of the items of our membership regarding our membership, since our country is moving to the standards nato and nato weapons are only one of the sisters, but not our fear, the fear of some countries and politicians that russia and putin may go on a direct escalation, nothing more, since we are absolutely capable of fulfilling all the other tasks, it will not be an easy story for us there is still a lot of work to be done, to be done in the sense of trust. in principle, to be done in the sense of trust, because nato is about trust, this is a purely musketeer story. one for all and all for one, and we must show that it has become a democracy, it has become the rule of law, this is also

a part, it is not only a military part this is not only the security sector, but i am absolutely sure that we will do it. here i have absolutely zero doubts. i believe that there will be those states in europe now that will say yes, of course, nato, but let's wait until there is the putin regime somehow it will reboot or we will reboot it and then we will come forward and this is a fundamental error. and as for macron, i always urge you to listen carefully to him, but not to take what he says as the absolute truth. he is in nato eh brain death eh so he says there let's save putin's face so we don't humiliate him so now he's talking about nato and by the

way he doesn't say impossible he says small probable but i remind you that how many more are there months ago, he said that ukraine's accession to the eu was probable for them. this is how a projected life should be understood. in fact, it cannot be predicted. now we understand that in life we ​​need to value ourselves and our friends , and we have to teach the country about this every day, too. it's also the west, and i'm absolutely sure that they won't do without us, and they won't do in every sense, and here i don't remember how many kis angela has, either 98 or 99. and here's such an old old letter, he didn't write it just like that, let's do it all ukraine in nato i remember very well my communication with him when he told me, well, you understand, that is, ukraine is part of the west 100%. ukraine

should be in the eu but nato yes, but we need to think, we need to build, that is, in such a strategy for the century ahead, and what he is writing now that he should become part of nato is actually saying a lot, a lot, and as far as i'm concerned, we like each other. - or you don't like this wise man and he speaks not only for himself, he speaks for many people who are precisely the strategies of the western world, so of course we pay attention on who and what is talking, but let's just move forward. kissinger is 99 next year. he will be 100 years old in may, by the way. well, you see, that means 99 is a decent age for a person, and i think that a bright mind. so i will tell you one thing

, a man is 99 years old and he has changed his the view of ukraine that you imagine in recent years, and i follow kisim zher, i read and talked with him a lot, i do not remember that he did not change his point of view about the countries on something . that we are simply witnessing tectonic shifts in the world politics, what is happening now in ukraine and how ukraine is fighting for its independence. it seems to me that it is simply changing the consciousness of many people who already had established concepts and ideas about ukraine. it seems to me that the year 2022 and it differs in that we became a discovery for the whole world, and we

are part of the third world there and after this third world, we always said that it goes in a questionable sense, there is politics, there is already a political map it will not be like this and it will be to mean that ukraine is a part of the west, and such a proactive driving force can't change anything in this, because it's not some visa plans for ilya or some geopolitical theorizing - it's what the ukrainians want. sometimes my spanish friends beat me there, whoever they say well, how can ukrainians do what they do

, how can people who sit for two or three days without light say that we want to defeat this in reality, despite the fact that it is the 21st century and what is the west about, what is it not about and what is he talking about it should be and this is again about what you and i talked about working on mistakes everyone said yes and no and there will be no more wars where there will be interdependence and russia will receive money and where will it go in the end good must be toothy it also has a chance and the ability and desire, the determination to fight for oneself, this is what we actually showed, and any future security system, security architecture, as they sometimes say about it, must be built on the fact that

it must fight for itself, for its principles, and for itself, no matter how insidious evil is good must be cooler, we are talking with you now on christmas days, on new year's. and this is one of the principles , one of our principles, one of the christian principles, good must win, but we need to fight for it. the representatives of the trap are not pavlo, but putin and lavrov say that we are witnesses of how the world moves on to the creation of a multipolar multipolar world, forgive me for tautology, that is, what is happening means that they put an end there, well, relatively speaking, in a bipolar world, and even now this world will be multipolar. how do you evaluate these statements and whether they appear for the world, and

putin and lavrov are also great geostrategists who may be pushing for that, and there are several countries, i don’t know, up to 10 there, which will have their own poles, polar poles, forgive me, too. for tautology, which will be to influence the world , that is, not only china and america, well, putin probably also means russia and other countries that they are opening the door for these countries to also have an influence and not only large countries. let them see what shines through did not become multipolar and so that it does not become an empire that didn't happen, which we all want from the bottom of our hearts, but even more, what

we all have to work on and will it be some kind of collapse in russia, or will it be during the download, or will it be about downloading first putin and then the regime and this is a very difficult story because and how will it happen where putinization, direkhization, whatever you want, call it putinization, it is definitely not enough for this axis. who will do it, do you remember there, nazi germany, japan, there was an occupation there, and who is it? so carefully so as not to offend anyone, it's bad and we need to understand that russia in today's reality is just looking at the latest statistics well, plus 7%, er, alcoholism is also plus seven or +8%, but i

looked at the last data on female alcoholism, the number of crimes is increasing of armed crimes , up to a million people have left russia, this is the biggest evidence of people who at least some of them have some kind of clue in their heads. but the glass is half full full well, look what is happening now with the export of oil from russia after the introduction of the eparchy and limited prices in them, the difference between oil on the world market and the oil that russia sells is $33 already on many contracts, i am told that it is 37 according to

some, but 30- you that i know about, and this is already more than a third discount. well, the price at which they buy a russian car for a car, but there is no need to underestimate this russia and say, well, she will bend over there for money, so far, there is putin, and the army and the security sector are not russian at all can be underestimated, that is why we must have a strategic task, and this strategic task must be not only to liberate ukraine, although this is of course the main thing that is inside everyone , but also to make it so that it is for us and for the whole world , first of all, for the western world, but also for the whole world there was no longer a threat from this ivashita regime because no one gives them no one likes them, well, actually not even the western world, there sympathy is mainly on

our side unfortunately, many people today cannot turn this into politics and over it we have to work and in general, the international community in the 23rd year will be one of the key challenges and the western world, because gradually, all the same, a certain psychological fatigue will come, but not the western world in the first place, because when you talk to africans, they say yes, you ukrainians, you are cool, we are watching there we don't believe that such a thing can happen, but here we are around the world, we need fertilizers, here there is no grain, someone threw it at us, well, in other words, people actually have their own problems, and of course we would like them to help us first of all but agree with us that ukraine is above all else. it only has its own interests for all of us, and we have to build our policy so that those

interests are the first and first priority and that they understand that with a victory, they get uh, big profits, and this is necessary to show is to tell, of course, but i am sure that it is possible and we will continue to do this, mr. pavla, from february 24, 2022, there is no agreement or agreement between ukraine and russia. agreement, including probably hundreds or thousands of by-laws and resolutions of the cabinet of ministers and laws. well, not only do they not work, putin has been repeating lately that we are not against sitting down at the negotiating table with ukraine, they say, because all wars end with some kind of

agreement, are we early anyway? we will come to this later, but they say according to zelenskyi’s decree, which put into effect the decision of the security council of ukraine, there is no need to add that there is nothing to agree on with russia until they withdraw their troops and return the territories to us, but what about purely theoretically i now i am asking what can be negotiated with the russian federation if they do not want to and definitely will not adhere to any agreements well, let's separate, as they say , what is human history and humanitarian , for example, the exchange of grain history, that is, what is humanly important and conversations about it's

going on now. if you talk about some peace agreement with this regime, i don't believe it, but i don't believe it as a politician . were and still are engaged in international politics and i do not believe in it since putin constantly repeats, for the last time at a meeting with russian journalists, that it is necessary to unite, as he says, the russian people , this is how he sees it. he considers it his mission, we will never convince him, we can only defeat him and explain to him the way of victory that we are not part of his people invented a theory that was completely different

, it was about cossack sich, it was about magdeburg law, it was about the lithuanian statute, it was completely different, with other values, with respect for man instead what did they have, well, ivan the terrible, stalin , that's actually peter i, these are the leaders and their whole ideology is built on the fact that let's be proud of the past, and our whole mentality, we don't have an ideology, but we have a mentality , we have the dna of a nation it is built on the fact that we have always looked to the future, it has always been very difficult, well, it is fundamentally distinguished by respect for a person, everything is good for freedom

, an understanding of what dignity is, and such simple simple things, but then it will never be understood, and we need to understand his argumentation, which enemy is always necessary understand and he has not changed his goals regarding ukraine, he will continue to target us now and continue tomorrow the day after tomorrow until we defeat this uh this regime is the fundamental basis of our victory and now imagine that we have liberated the whole of ukraine but putin's regime or some other president there it still exists, we have finished the war. we are safe. of course, we should not talk about it, but together with the west from a position of strength

with russia, yes. and then the question arises. what is our position, how do we secure ourselves the world because if it is a constant threat of attack by this regime if we have rockets falling on our heads again then who will invest in us who will make it so that the future marshall plan or whatever it will be called has turned ukraine into a technological leader in education because it is actually the key issues are changes and this is an integral part of our victory to make the threat from this regime cease to exist as such, and for this i believe that russia can no longer be a political player, so we talked about a multipolar world.

i believe that the multipolar world can be different. we are ukrainians. we are tolgarets. for a long time, this process can last faster, but the main thing is that we reboot this regime, reboot this regime, without this the danger for ukraine will not disappear, i cannot help but ask you about the statement of angela merkel that was made in the interview the former chancellor of the federal republic of germany told the german edition of the website that the road map for the return of donbass to the

control of ukraine, but with serious concessions by russia, it was an attempt to buy time, as they say , such a method minsk agreements one and minsk agreements two were a way to give ukraine the opportunity to build an army and provide this army with weapons for the future confrontation with the russian federation, which was predicted, you were a participant in many meetings and negotiations both in the normandy format and in the minsk format this is true. i think definitely yes, but angela is a bit cunning, i have to say this because she wanted some kind of regulation. we know very well that the norman format was created thanks to her

desire and the americans really wanted to stay out of these negotiations, but her the assessment at that time was that putin considers the americans to be the main drivers of the maidan and it may be possible to settle the situation it is better when there is coordination with partners these stories and i believe that this was a fundamental incorrect assessment at the time but again, angela merkel did a lot in order to put pressure on putin in this, you need to give her credit. she has understanding, she is a very good tactician, she knows how uh, it's time for him to work for us. and that's great, and again. what

i don't think she fully understood - this is that there is no need to strengthen and strengthen russia , including 2015, do you remember the launch of the nord stream-2 project and it was always very i was there very much sometimes choosing words, of course, like diplomats sometimes not choosing more like a politician but because no less going forward forward and the second point, which she did not understand as a strategist, but surely understood as a tactician, that putin is capable of everything, that it sits very, very deep in his subconscious, but that merkel understood the context of the negotiations and

understood skoda. this is 100% herself from the mdf she knows ukraine. by the way, she was not in practice once in the donbass, she was even in shashta, and uh, angels, merkel needs to be given credit, of course, she made several fundamental political mistakes, uh, i even named a few of them, but nevertheless, she is sincere very sincerely tried to help help ukraine, but in fact she is not a politician of the 21st century. i think that she is a politician of such a borderline of the 20th and 21st century, that's why she lacked something, she had something, and for something we are very grateful to her and for something, we will always be remembered with such a kind and not very quiet word

. by the way, a documentary film about angela merkel was released in germany a few weeks ago, the luxfilm film company shot this film. and here i was at the presentation, saw this film. i was on a business trip in germany and it was not there. -is it is said about the establishment of angel merkel, about how she is not one of those from east germany who, after the unification of east and west germany, became a government official, and her path is shown as she followed this path. well, of course, the emphasis was placed on the fact that she wanted to understand putin as a person who was born and grew up in dresden. it seems to me that in dresden she was also from northern germany, and well, at least by means of the german democratic republic, so she tried to understand

putin and get along, but that's the conclusion cinematographers that she did not manage to do it because they began to differ in terms of understanding of how they should have relations and this is their gap it would seem that they have something in common, the past was meant there socialist germany and putin in dresden, but this did not continue in any way, but nevertheless, let's probably return to the main visit of zelenskyi's single and main and central visit this year to the united states of america , the war began, zelenskyi is not going anywhere was leaving and only online could i participate in all the summits and all the negotiations and speeches in

various parliaments and so, at the end of the year, a visit to the united states of america took place, meetings with biden, a speech before the congress, the attention of all the world media, and president biden made it clear to ukraine that his country will with us until we win victory over russia, what does this mr. pavlo mean for the world and for russia before we talk about this visit i will mention one more sentence about merkel because you don't have me pointed at him. i just remember the end of 14th year and when merkel was insulted and completely indignant and said yes to me, putin is lying, well, everyone says yes, of course, but why don't we think that putin is the first, and it

was some kind of presence of russian troops in the occupied donbas, and she says yes, he can't lie to me like that, he's the president of russia here, but in fact even such things. they came, but, unfortunately, they came very, very late. and as for volodymyr zelenskyi's visit, i think it's very cool the visit is not only because of how he is broke up in midi i believe that it was an opportunity to feel real emotions for the americans to show the americans that they, uh, they are the main ones, they are the leaders of the western world, and their help is decisive, it is critical, we are grateful for it, but we want more and to talk about what kind of strategy we want more because always when you say that we need this, the

americans say yes. and what is your logic, what is your vision, what is your strategy, and when you sit opposite biden, it’s still a different story than when you talk on the phone. yes, phone calls. we we live in a world where there is closed communication, but nothing can replace personal communication and i think that this visit is very cool because biden , because of this visit, because of this invitation or his behavior, the atmosphere, the tone, what he said, and the main thing, how he said, he really showed that he will invest in it, it really means that he understands that without the states, this whole story would not have developed, but europe has never managed to do this. this includes his personal history as a politician and as a person , and i believe that part of his political

the legacy of the political work should also be a joint victory over russia over this regime. i also believe that he showed with this visit that we should have a history of success and this joint history of success is ukraine, it is a democratic independent ukraine as an ally of the united states as a country that understands the weight of this of alliances and we will actually from this visit gradually move from partnership yes, this is a unique partnership but to alliance to mutual e-e elements of assistance i really hope to mutual obligations whether it will be nato or another defense alliance about which we spoke at the beginning of and therefore