where it concerns the same fsb members of the family , why are they removed? well, it is obvious that if it is necessary to fight for the crimea, a person who has a family of one behind his back, a ukrainian would protect his family, understanding that she is behind his back, but not for the russians for a colonist, whose family is his land, whose native land is somewhere in samaria, because in uryupinsk it is easier for him to throw down his weapon, grab his family and try to get them out , so that nothing would distract the security forces, they were ordered to withdraw - to withdraw their families from the territory of the peninsula e-e also we we can see that from what the local residents report, all these explosions in crimea there is no alarm, the local population absolutely does not understand what to do at the same time and they are crying that some kind of genocide will begin in crimea, not today, tomorrow, there is a conversation about what the ukrainians say, the punishers believe and from this there is an

answer to this, ukraine has a law on collaboration, by the way, which, in my opinion , should still undergo some corrections. nevertheless, let's talk because this law should have been adopted much earlier. we have talked about this many times. you will take actions that the state of ukraine may later regard as collaborationism, well, seriously, well, in fact, if you read the law like this, you will see that it gives exactly this answer, it is very clearly stated that collaborators are those who

serve in the administrations and those who contribute strengthening the strengthening of the russian occupying power of the military-occupational power on the territory of crimea is conditional if you are a business woman and it is clearly stated there and you received russian documents and trade in grapes, then you trade in grapes and if you received russian documents, an entrepreneur, you are building a military base, then i'm sorry, you are strengthening the occupation regime that to do with medicine with education uh, it clearly says that medicine does not fall under excuse me, ukraine observes humanitarian law from the point of view of humanitarian law, the occupying power has to ensure the survival of the population of the occupied territories, and medicine goes there, doctors are not war criminals, what a miracle i am, they just accept people and more. according to this law, even just a precinct is just a

policeman. who, for example, investigate thefts, who protect the streets and there patrol the streets from well, there well, conditionally a precinct officer he is not a criminal, but a criminal is someone who, for example , participates in searches, but conditionally a police officer, he is necessarily not a criminal this is interesting because it ensures survival in this territory, but if, for example, there are so -called secret witnesses, they are supposedly citizens , they are supposedly not on duty, but they take part in these searches, they give evidence, they are all considered collaborators , this law is not bad, but what is there there is no, and in my opinion, it is necessary to immediately correct the collaboration is not considered work in museums and cults, the resolution. and in my opinion, this is wrong, because when we looked at what was happening with the robbery of museums in the newly occupied territories, such as in kherson

do you remember how colleagues took away all those objects, so who described these collections, who accepted these collections, these are the directors of the crimean museums and the directors themselves who allowed themselves to sue ukraine regarding the crimean regarding the scythian gold, these people were removed from this by this law from this from the category of collaborators, but they take a direct part in the robbery of ukraine, they export the collections that they have with whom they had it because you take care of me, they export them to russia and they facilitate and export them to crimea and then to of russia, the collections that the russian occupying forces are currently looting in kharkiv oblast and kherson oblast, zaporizhzhia oblast, and so on, these people are actually why i say that this law needs to be surrounded there, for example, and it is right that it was adopted because, for example, in

ukrainian legislation, before it, it was considered what is a criminal? well, those who betrayed the oath, for example, are generally traitors to the motherland, are, for example, firemen, because we all know that the fire service is a part of the ministry of internal affairs, and accordingly these the people are officers, and as it is an occupied territory, there are sometimes fires and people who gas, these fires, what is it all of a sudden , she does not contribute to the strengthening of the occupying power. she protects the lives of ukrainian citizens in the occupation, as well as the same doctors, as well as the same teachers which you are talking about but again, not all teachers are the ones who carry out patriotic education, those who recruit children, for example, testimonies from the parents of the children of the school in which i also studied in simferopol, but as of now, practically not a single lesson passes without a hint or without a hint of patriotism,

russianness, and so on. and the teachers remark about this privately, that is, it is actually such an initiative, and it is actually written in the programs, and these are the teachers who taught me. very often they can be present in ukraine and the law is passed about collaboration, it is impossible to say that if a person is a teacher, his position is a teacher, he is a priori a criminal, you understand. but it is possible to say that if a person has the position of a facebook user, he is a priori a criminal . the service in the administration does not even need to consider anything here, and everything is so clear, you understand . if entrepreneurs need to be considered, he re-registered in russian according to russian laws and paid taxes, he traded

in grapes, or he re-registered, he built a torture chamber of some kind, then these are different things, that's why there is in this law the categories that are a priori, for example, criminals are clearly described, and they demand that they be brought to court. there are also those who are collaborators but are not criminals under ukrainian legislation, so they are investigation into the commission of crimes and such a function as suspension from work, ban on work and so on in this field, it is also very important if you are a teacher and you do not tell first graders some nonsense math teacher topic about e.e. potemkin and catherine the great then it is possible to imprison you no why, but you won't teach anymore, that's all , that is, these are also important things, and there is a third category , those who do not fall under any investigation at all, they are my

collaborators, and this is exactly the vast majority of the crimean population, you worked at the post office, you drove a bus. you were even there as a kindergarten teacher . if you don’t record, if you don’t make these records of children being taken out, let’s be honest, many of these teachers went to kherson oblast, these are the same russian teachers who went to kharkiv oblast, teachers of ukrainian teachers, collaborators, and these teachers, we know that they are they didn't have time to implement the program and their occupation program in the not-new occupied territories, but they made lists of children for the removal of their parents, they intimidated and threatened them. of teachers well, it's hardly yours. this teacher, despite the fact that she talks nonsense to children and she shouldn't be a teacher anymore, it's unlikely that i ca n't be, i can't be sure of this because a large number of crimean teachers

felt great and feel sometimes in the kherson region how you say periodically there are those who go to the teams, yes, they are criminals, we are talking about the fact that those teachers who in the kherson region have now moved to serve in russia, they do not teach, they do not work at the moment none of them does not engage in any training, they contribute to deportations, etc. this is their work, wanted patriotic parents, they are not an educational process, that is why it is necessary here, it is necessary to investigate very carefully . that we are talking about the promotion of the same andriy malgin, the director of the crimean museum. what kind of person is he? he came to kherson and described the collection , the course from the kherson art museum, and you these pictures why is this person suddenly not a collaborator ? i'm interested, madam. i'm saying that when i

return to the ministry of internal affairs employees, you said there about precinct officers and employees of the state emergency service or what they call the ministry of emergencies listen , but they, i could be wrong, they are the ministry of emergency situations too. servicemen, they give an oath of loyalty to the russian federation, even if he is a district officer and did not persecute or torture anyone, he swore an oath of loyalty to the russian federation, isn’t this treason here , not even collaborationism here, the article is treason should it be state or am i wrong from the point of view of international law? the fourth geneva convention clearly states that the occupying country must ensure uh-uh order and uh-uh its survival of the civilian population, this survival includes medics, this survival includes firefighters, and survival includes cops. i want to remind you what, for example, the british parliament in the 1940s, when there was a threat

of occupation of the british islands, even separately released in the instructions, voted for the british cops what they should do because they were told that they should leave to work and to protect the british from the occupying power, that is, not to let them, for example, be illegally convicted and so on, so if the precinct officer was just doing his job and protecting him, he was not allowed to falsify and that, that, of course, he is not a criminal, he was just doing his job, he is there i don't know , he removed the grandmother's basket from the trees or something else, or he protected an alcoholic neighbor from an alcoholic neighbor , drew up a report on him, if it was a precinct he faked and so on, then of course he is he is a criminal here, changing the oath from ukrainian to russian is not treason and there is e- is acts within the framework of international legislation . just like that, we have a law that says that

our laws should not contradict international legislation. we adopted why we are then being pursued by the sbu and the dbr. i don't remember who is handling the case of the mariupol policemen who just now stayed in mariupol and he does the same work there, patrolling the streets. there are several dozen of them, we consider them traitors, we show them there on tv, we say, look, and it turns out they are normal , yes, then the head of the administration is also him is engaged in ensuring the livelihood of the population in the soapy territory, there should also be a head, that’s right, in mariupol, order this camp or balinsky also engaged in ensuring the livelihood of the population in the occupied territories, you are not arguing with me now, but the fourth geneva convention is precisely why the law must clearly specify and this - first of all, those mariupol police officers, why are we persecuting them well, if they take part in

roundups, if they look, if you, for example , are just a precinct officer and you work here alone moment, this needs to be resolved by the court. and if or how you are a firefighter. and if, for example, you were a precinct officer yesterday, and today you suddenly became the head of the occupation station and arrange his work, then this is another assertion of power, by the way, in this law, and this is also an interesting point. those who work in administrations, heads of occupation administrations and those who work there, for example, as technicians, these are different things. some people can be convicted without a doubt because of the smell of their work in this position, and others should be convicted solely because of the crime they committed committed while occupying this position because they had a choice , they could not have done it, so in this case, when we talk about mariupol policemen, we are talking about those crimes committed by these people or those positions that are too high to consider that they were simply protecting

life cities and citizens that are like them, their positions. the very duties that they have to perform in these positions already allow us to say that they are establishing and strengthening the occupation regime and endangering ukrainian citizens that is why this law contains all of this, moreover, we are talking about the fact that international law is imperfect, that is why we have, on the one hand , we have to adhere to it. you yourself understand that we will have big problems, especially with the reconstruction of the occupied and destroyed territories, because no one will give help, no one will help with a country that violates international law, that is why having international law as a road and at the same time having the will punish everyone

we are collaborators and we are talking about the fact that some of the people who remained in the occupied territory due to the fact that they held those positions are already criminals by the very fact of this position, otherwise, within the limits of international law, they could have acted within the limits of international law, such as to protect the population and life activities, but it is necessary to deal with the courts, and the third party is not guilty. and from the point of view of the criminal code, but for example, they should be suspended from their positions, you understand that this is the essence of the reason why in this case it was necessary to adopt this law in order to at least demarcate these categories are very important, and in fact, i just foresee more than that, there are already other categories provided for by this law, for example, a person was convicted of stealing a bun. well, for example, criminal, of course , someone investigated the person who stole, but she was convicted, she sat down, but it turns out, for example, that

it was political persecution, we know such cases, for example, zmukki in the crimea, who , on the instructions of the occupying authorities, were accused of criminality in principle in a disgusting article and as a result were imprisoned, as it were it looks like a criminal offense, but its judge and precinct and witnesses were all absolutely there and the investigators were all in winter and you know that and it is a crime, so in this case there will be a lot that we will review court decisions, especially where, uh, even criminal ones, especially where the sentence is different from the ukrainian sentence and we will see who judged how he judged, that is, i say that in our country, on the one hand, those who held positions will be completely criminals, on the other hand, criminals will be identified on the basis of their actions, and thirdly, we will have a lot of years, we still have to deal with this, but no one will be imprisoned in the village. because we have a limit

of criminal administrative liability of uah 250 , that is, if you stole on a smaller point, it cannot be worth more than uah 250. i will remind you that the same sentsov is actually the component of the crime that we committed to arson and him they say that he he set fire to the door in some abandoned office in the middle of the night from our criminal legislation - this is just a hooligan and you know the testimony of presidentchenko was testified by a mnsnychok who studied at a ukrainian university and remained super cool to perform his tasks on the crimean peninsula and then also the veterans of his ranks and now he feels great with his legs and hands on the crimean sofa i know i know the whole thing for you the question is not that i am giving you as an example what for example from the ukrainian point of view is considered for example such actions are considered a hooligan, a person would receive either a suspended sentence or a fine, and in russia he

was sentenced to 20 years for these actions, and there are a lot of such cases that do not comply with the law, and those who come here know perfectly well what they did. that is, there are many such people who theft for something else allegedly criminal, but in fact we are talking about persecution. yes, mrs. larisov, i thank you very much . crimeans simply ask who we will be for the ukrainian state. when she returns to crimea, they are really worried. some of them are worried because they understand that in 8 years they could to take actions that can be perceived differently, and someone is worried for other reasons, but people need answers to questions. thank you that, together with you, we have now sorted out some of these answers larisa voloshina the journalist was in touch with us. well, we are moving on, let's talk now with kateryna budko, the head of the public council, and the head of the avtomaidan. congratulations to mrs.

kateryna. glory to ukraine. they talked, sat down and cried. and the provisions that ensure greater independence of nabu and sap, we have alarming alarm bells again, it would seem that everything has moved from a dead point with the appointment of the head of sap, the competition of nabu well and so on, but what does it consist of i'm asking for a new, fresh risk right now. well, let's begin. i'll probably explain to the audience what an anti-corruption program is, really . for one and a half years, in fact, it could not be accepted by the board of education. in any case, it could not be approved, and as a result, literally three

days before we received the status of a candidate for the european union, and this was one of the requirements of the european union after all, to approve the anti-corruption strategy , the parliament finally approved it, but we spent a year and a half on it, it is not clear what exactly. e criteria and very clear things that are prescribed to introduce a prose competition for the prosecutor general, head of the dbr and bf, e.e. increase the staff, e.e. change the regulations on the competition for the head of the sap so that we do not see it again this dual catavatia of clowning that we saw re-elected klymenko. that is, there are clear indicators

that will be public and anyone, including members of the public, will be able to monitor whether this body has fulfilled these prescribed indicators and in fact only pretend that it is fighting corruption and that is, having prepared five months ago, consulting with public organizations, holding public round tables, that is, where to join them, anyone on this topic, they prepared such an anti-corruption program, it is quite large-scale. there are a lot of pages but after that, the authorities started to write such corrections and we were essentially corrected by more than 500 frames. each of them sent and where they say that everything is fine with us, we don't need any anti-corruption program, ginkgo says that everything is fine anyway and no a competition is needed, and there are narratives that the competition with the

participation of internationals is not quite constitutional and not quite correct, and so on, that is, such a meeting was held in russian , let's say others, that is, after that, the bodies begin to try not to adopt it, and here's the next one week finally until january 10, the government must approve this anti-corruption program, and this is an important moment, will the government do or will they be able to approve it, and we finally get the first clear, clear and understandable anti-corruption program for everyone, or will it go to the side, wanted to go to various state bodies, there will return it to the seniority, will it accept these demands, which are very often absolutely strange. that is, we will see it in the nearest tomorrow, the day after tomorrow , because according to the law, the government must approve the anti-corruption program by january 10, well, this

is the practice of law-making spam in our parliament. and this is how i understand anti-corruption spam and who is involved in its production, production, well, look, many, many cases have come from the prosecutor general 's office, here the prosecutor general says that the competition for the position of the prosecutor general and this is an important change there, it is not constitutional and, uh , very much protests this because we all we know how people without a higher legal education become prosecutors-general because they are the president's cronies or there are 100% people of another president. that is, this is a political appointment of a figure and, in fact, you are also told in the program that it should not be political position, it must be a position chosen at an open competition of the prosecutor general's office - i didn't like it, i didn't like the fact that in the program there is something about the fact that half a dozen ordinary prosecutors

must undergo regular evaluations and tests and inspections. and about what happened once there in the 19th in the 20th year, when half of them actually did not pass these tests and assessments and forgot all this, there should be some kind of regular system of checks. i also did not like what was said about the institutional independence of the sap , because the sap should be and the head himself should be more independent . their decisions so that the ministry of justice also writes its corrections and where are you, son of monitoring and the dbf who do not like the competition for the designation of the head of the dbr and also the bureau of economic security, although we know how the previous competition for the head of the ... when it was passed, in fact, in one day, a lot of right-wing people wrote the council of judges. they said they opposed, for

example, to score a joint somehow to formulate the criteria of integrity and professional ethics for judges, that is, to make it clear that this is a violation of your integrity and the professional ethics of the judge and this should be approved for that, the judge a-a hm should be fired for violating these norms, but uh, the joy of judges to other judges is in principle suitable when this concept is blurred, when you can talk about uh, no, not everything is so clear-cut and so on, that is, a lot of law has been passed precisely from the judges who said that, in principle, everything is fine with us. we have no corruption in the judicial system . authorities, they are very afraid to prevent the adoption of the anti-coronavirus program, kateryna. please tell me

, returning to the election of the head of the director , will you mention this? the commission had to consider the issue of the admission or non-admission of these candidates, i did not see any information about the results of this filter, uh, from the point of view of the commission, yes, did i miss someone, tell me about this process. what do you know? i'll tell you the only clarification. i told you, what's so bad about the new competition, overtime, to change it, because in fact, when klymenko was elected as the head of the anti-corruption prosecutor's office, this was a problem why did we see such a circus because both sides and internationals could block bad candidates, but the ukrainian side could also

block anyone it wanted, and about nabu, we literally have three minutes, returning to the nabu contest, in the nabu contest , there is no such possibility, so i hope answers quickly, regarding the results of the admitted candidates, next week, at the beginning of the week , these candidates will take general ability tests. and after they take the tests , there will be a passing score of 110. if i am not mistaken , the commission will already announce based on the results of these tests who will be admitted to the next one. stage but it will be the beginning of the week because everyone has passed the test, but you personally are on this list of 78 people who impressed you the most and who you liked the most, are there any definitely dishonest people or dishonest people in fact, there are many people there, like detectives, who have shown themselves quite well in the previous council and are worthy

. there are also people who apply for virtually all competitions, and there are also people who are more involved in corruption scandals. than uh can head the anti-corruption bureau but i think that everything with such an analysis of candidates is better to say after we see who will stay and who will reach the interview stage because many people can be unglued during the testing and well, we should not waste time on these people even well, there is another national one deputy, i was never able to identify him. and who is it? do you know there is a people's deputy, uh, a woman? i won't tell you the name so easily now, but the people's deputy is from the servant of the people , ah . there are not many representatives of the stronger sex, so it is easy to identify it. thank you

, kateryna, for including kateryna budku, head of the public council at nazk, head of avtomaidan. there is a problem. that's why public organizations unite and appeal to finally approve it a-a well, we still have a few moments to inform you of important er news er enemy losses in ukraine are so crazy that a train filled with the corpses of russians arrived in the kimmeriv region the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine reports this, the enemy continues to suffer losses from rostov-on-don to the kemerovo region, a train with refrigerators filled with dead russians has arrived, the corpses must be unloaded to local morgues, this is only what we record and it's clear that similar processes happen regularly, it's just possible less centralized

so that they create social tension because you know makiyivka, and here also echelons with corpses will pass your eyes, i don't think it contributes to peace, the corpse became a wounded hammer in occupied anthracite, the russians took the women out of the maternity hospital local to equip the occupying soldiers there, serhiy gaidaye told us , he was saying goodbye to us, but the occupiers managed to establish a logistical network of hospitals that almost wiped civilian medical facilities off the map establishments, he said, the broadcast will continue in a few moments espresso stay with us