and the temple alone, this path may be chosen as an intermediate option, i want to remind you that the owners of the temple of the holy sepulcher are muslims, this is the palestinian territory, and there is a very interesting story there, that is, i have been there several times, in fact, the atmosphere is very good, and here i am , in general, a person who is disposed to the fact that representatives of different faiths can gather to pray together in one place , alternately or in some other order. there is no problem with this, that is, they show their faithful their passports, so we can live together, you know. we have done it on our website collected calendar, we, uh, in one place, we have compiled the julian, gregorian , novoivlian, muslim, jewish , driver's calendar, and we show that here we are, people of different faiths can live in relation to the lavra, the situation is such that the dormition cathedral is, uh, as far as i know, it was not used constantly he was for special religious services. the moscow patriarchate constantly used the stairs with him, which is

close to you, and actually, since they have enough temples on the territory of the lavra, the lower part. i think that it was logical if the monastery which was recently registered, the orthodox church of ukraine used the temple. in fact, this temple, which is the so-called refectory screen, since the lavra is also a shrine of its christians, it is necessary, as in sophia of kyiv, there are joint worship services, joint prayers of different denominations. something like being the kyiv-pechersk lavra . and there is also the kyiv-pechersk lavra and the pochaiv lavra, which for about half of its existence was part of the union church. well, not half, a significant part, maybe a third, was part of the union church. the moscow patriarchate was the stronghold of the russian world and remains so now, but for a certain time it was also an offspring of ukrainian orthodoxy in the interwar period. i think that such a monastery as the pochaiv lavra can in general be what they called

the laboratories of communism. when at the same time monks live on the territory of the great monastery, for example there orthodox church of ukraine, greek catholic, roman catholic, as is already the experience in western europe when there are monasteries, interdenominational monasteries, and they are evidence that christian people can live together, for example, do they serve together or do they bless the temples of the holy sepulcher one by one, well, the truth is that there are also cases where it is written there that they clean it, they can quarrel there. well , listen to this, neighbors also quarrel among themselves and can go to the same church, but among themselves to quarrel this is the very question because this is, again, an interim such a moment until the legal resolution of the issue of the uoc-mp in our country is the de facto rpc, but they do not want to change their name, we have already talked about the kyiv-pechersk lavra about the pochaiv lavra and we leave it out. for some reason , it is always the feast of the dormition, the svyatogorsk lavra is also pcmp and please tell me why,

mr. taras, what fate can await this temple, i will remind you that this object received the status of a lavra later than all others, if i am not mistaken at all recently well, yes, this history of this lavra has a very interesting story - it is a cossack lavra and was founded by cossacks from the middle of the first half of the 17th century, and it was, as it were, beyond the boundaries of others . of course, it is such that the moscow patriarchate has established itself there, there is solid information that there were militants there, and there was also a separatist movement around . yesterday i spoke with people from this entire territory, they are completely pro-ukrainian, so until recently they were russian-speaking, but they are completely pro-ukrainian in spirit. i think that this war - this is russian aggression will change a lot and later the question will arise about this

lavra and about other places where the russian world was encroached there in volyn, podillya, or, for example, the huge number of monasteries in zakarpattia, which belongs to the moscow patriarchate and the firm razkomirovskyi. i think that in time there will be a question about all these centers and if the security service and other bodies will to work well then, on the one hand , we will have evidence of this separatism, and on the other hand , we will have evidence of the fact that there are many of us . what changes in that life, and you and in church life, and there is no need to disagree about that the meaning is that there will be a ukrainian church, the moscow church must be a christian church, there must be monasteries, they must be the raft of christianity, this is this place. yes, it is difficult by any measure. yesterday , our colleagues at lb.ua published information about christianity . and that 13 clergymen of the moscow patriarchate were deprived by the president

of ukrainian citizenship in connection with the fact that they are citizens of russia and according to insider information one of these priests is the abbot of this lavra of sviatohirska is it christian to take away ukrainian from people passports. these are the questions for you. look , let's say. look, christianity does not stand up against the state, and relatively speaking, if ukrainian legislation does not allow such dual citizenship, not only the people of the church there, but also the politics in which, especially, those who are in power now would are in a group about patriotism, but they have russian passports or some other business interests , that is why there is actually a disagreement about the fact that the church cannot say that you can violate ukrainian legislation, but we have seen with the hands of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine , so to speak, hunted our legislation. we saw crosses where in the summer, when all other

churches were forbidden to do this, even if it was a little simpler, and they were allowed to do anything and everything, that is, if there is a violation of the law, then it does not matter, it is not a matter of faith and this is not a question of persecution for some christian respect it was sarcasm it was a joke i apologize maybe i just wasn't emotional enough actually they what are they doing now they have taken away the opportunity to serve the upper part of the bench yes they include that and uh, we have been working in this field for many years, we see how they cynically lie, telling, for example, that they are persecuted here for their beliefs, at the same time they receive the greatest benefits from that state, yes, they even have us too matsenko, where do you see such fake egoism, but at the same time they forget what they say, they will remember that in soviet times there was a church of persecution, but they, on the other hand , were part of this soviet church, were part of the church created by stalin in the 43rd year, they, er, we have news that an icon with

stalin was consecrated in the lavra, er, the same ones as in pecherskyi, that is, they agree on that, guys, you don’t know which side you lied to so much that it’s already hard to accept thank you , taras antoshevskyi director of the religious information service of ukraine congratulations, congratulations thank you for the conversation and welcome to our studio yuryi shcherbak, diplomat, public figure, writer, ex-ambassador of ukraine to israel, the united states, canada, minister of environmental protection of independent ukraine, mr. yuriy, congratulations, sorry for the wait i i'm very glad to see you. well, it's not yuriy. well, let's continue this topic briefly. well , yesterday there was a lot of western mass media in the kiev-pechersk lavra. i also saw a router with a camera there. the attention of our foreign partners is precisely to religious life and to the process of cleansing, i would say, of ukrainian

christianity from moscow agents. is happening precisely in this area of ​​our state formation, i am asking for unquestionable support of religious life, it is an extremely important component of the spiritual life of our people in general and the historical life of our people, and considering the importance given in the united states, let's say, religion and gray religion, the united states is a very religious country not only poland and the united states , mexico and many other countries, and that is why they pay a lot of attention to what is happening in our country, on the one hand, there is a question of democracy and freedom of religion. on the other hand, there is a question of state expediency, sir, and above, you just asked

this guest of yours about what kind of christian decision this is, i would answer you, well , this is a joke, but i answered you canonically. and for caesar, he perfectly divided the spheres of life into religion, into that which belongs to god and man, and into state life, and therefore the state, of course, has to fight with direct and direct enemies, and there is no doubt at all that this enemies and i think that yesterday a historical event took place and of course everyone who cares about the fate of ukraine rejoiced because for the first time in 300 years the ukrainian language, a ukrainian song, a ukrainian

prayer were heard there in that enclave of the russian russian fifth column and i think that it is very and of course very good that such attention was paid by the mass media of other countries. this is a very serious turn in our fate . okay, yuri, let's talk now about other topics , the so-called russian truce, which they themselves introduced. were not observed it is not known with whom they agreed on it at all , because the position of the ukrainian state was very clear abroad, then we can talk about something interesting in general, to follow the reaction of our partners and in general the whole world according to what putin proposed. we are now living in a paradigm in which there are hints of that the world is tired of russia's war with ukraine and that

, in principle, everyone is ready to gradually look for some options, weak points, through which ukraine and russia can be brought to the negotiating table or at least calm down hostilities. and here we see that now russia proposed a truce, ukraine did not respond to this truce. because we have 8 years of experience, we know what they are worth. and no one in the world, in principle, was outraged by our position, they even laughed at the russian federation and noted that there are no signs that russia really wants to be silent on christmas, in principle there is nothing, what do you think this can indicate oh, this indicates huge radical changes in the mentality in the way of thinking of our western allies, they are of course heterogeneous, you can see the position of the united states of america of our strategic partners,

our biggest most loyal partners, you can see the position of poland, which is our closest ally and the most loyal, but you can see, of course, there was also the position of france, the position of germany. and in the military dimension, and in the economic dimension, it became a world war . in fact, it is the third world war because it touched tens of tens of countries on different continents, this is what is happening on to our land, this bloody russian aggression, we can firmly say today that the position of the western countries has finally changed, they have

seen through, they have rejected illusions about the possibility of reaching an agreement with russia and putin. remember how many times macron tried to sit for that long-term football game a field with a table and negotiate with putin and today let's look pragmatically, let's look only at the nomenclature of weapons that france transfers to us that light tank tank destroyer tank destroyer what does this show we are told that the offensive of ukraine is being prepared and the third act of this bloody drama must be completed this year, we must defeat russia and the western countries, our allies agreed with this and now we can

enter into a conversation not about the fact that they are tired of the war, of course they are all tired of first of all, we must say about the ukrainians , about those 17 million people who lost their homes, about those people who lost their loved ones, and so on . 4.6 percentages of gdp percentages ukraine has lost from 30 to 40% of gdp, these are terrible losses and we must already think about how to restore everything that we have lost, but the main conclusion is that it is not fatigue, but the fear of the third world nuclear war. this is what keeps our allies and forces them to wage a so-called controlled

war, you see that all the time we were given those weapons drop by drop in order not to provoke russia, but today a strategic decision was made that russia must be defeated on the battlefield, and for this purpose all these deliveries are made e-e western weapons and all these international events that we are seeing with you today, i think what made putin announce this so-called truce, what is this idea at all? putin 's wolf teeth and fox guts. order in the military economy, which is bursting at the seams and after makiivka, it generally received a huge shock.

this is an absolutely hypocritical step in the white house, they understood it in the elysée, on the champs-élysées, in the palace in paris, in berlin , they understood that this is hypocrisy, and they from to this is what they did with the upper e with e-e mockery of that dictator who is losing the war and it is absolutely clear that ukraine's response was adequate. if you did not want to go to the armistice on the easter holidays last year, you are self- proclaimed christians christians, if you bomb kiev at night on new year's day, then what kind of truce can you talk about? of course, it was a hypocritical step and it turned out to be completely

empty . information that appeared the day before that the un secretary general antonio guterres colored the mission to investigate crimes in elenivka, the official representative of the un secretary general stefan e duzharik , his name is duzharik, and he said the following, we had a political agreement, but for such a complex and delicate and dangerous mission in the war zone we needed clear guarantees of security and access from both sides, we did not feel that we received them, we did not feel that there was a possibility of receiving them in the future well, our butsman dmytro lubinets already reacted to this, he said that unfortunately, she did not condemn russia, which did everything to prevent the occupied deer from carrying out this mission again. unfortunately, dmitri said, we saw a mediator, a neutral position of the un. not a single word of condemnation from the russian side, and what do you think, well, why does the un

not react in any way and does not indicate who did not allow the mission in a narrow sense, it is clear that russia admitted that it despises the un and did not allow this mission, we will understand this and we have no other answer because this is a cynical approach of thugs who do not want to allow no international mission interferes in the bloody affairs of the gangsters. on the one hand, on the other hand, this is evidence of the complete collapse of the un and the need to rebuild and re-establish the international security system, starting from the un and the security council, for the sitting aggressor who has the right of veto and who overturns all normal proposals of peace-loving countries and in general the un awaits us, in my opinion, is the fate of the league of nations,

which shamefully ended its existence because it could not cope with the military challenges of nazi germany and the soviet union union and the un in the same way will finish it, it completely failed its mission. and the fact that there in the apparatus, i had the opportunity to be part of the delegation of ukraine at the un sessions many times, and i know how that mechanism works, and i must say that there is still a huge influence of the russian russian agents, because there are a lot of bureaucrats , not only russian, but also pro-russian , working in that un apparatus, so it is a separate topic, and the fact that this mission failed, well, that was to be expected. but of course they behaved shamefully

because they had to to separate the executioner of the criminal from the victim, they did not do it, they put them on the same board, we see the same in many ways and the un body behaves in the same way, and that is why the question arose and we will see the birth with you of a new international security organization instead of the united nations. god bless you. finally, very briefly. yuri, there is still an opportunity. the united states, with the 15th attempt, elected the speaker of the house of representatives, the leader of the republicans, kemin mccurdy. they say that the most difficult thing was to persuade him that he was such a very right wing of the republicans, even trump i called on them, and in the end, vote already. and there is a fear that the subject of the compromise was a reduction in the perspective of a reduction in

defense budgets. and this also means aid to ukraine, because we are now embedded in their defense budgets . mccarthy, who positioned himself as the undisputed leader of that small, small republican majority in the house of representatives, he was forced to make huge compromises with that small part of them, 10%, only 21 people, that's stubborn. crazy is the trumpian trumpian lobby of people who are fixated on hatred of democracy, of american democracy in particular, of ukraine in particular, and so on. and unfortunately, he gave them a lot of important

positions in future committees where the republicans will have an advantage. and so we can say that this is another factor in the fact that this year we must end our war of liberation in the sacred motherland, our ukrainian war against russia with a victory, otherwise five cases can be different, at least and the actively noisy minority under the slogan of the magician, we are like america, that is, we will make america great again, so this is a minority, unfortunately, it can play a very negative role in providing us with adequate help, but i must say that 45 billion have been laid they

have already remained in the military budget, they have already become law, and then i still think that under the pressure of the american democratic forces and the white house , we will be given help that is absolutely necessary for our victory. thank you, mr. yuriy yuriy shcherbak, diplomat, public figure , writer saved ukraine in israel, usa thank you to canada for an interesting conversation and an interesting discussion. well, the latest information about germany is from the head of the bundestag, the german parliament. their names are kathryn goering eckart and wolfgang kubik. they advocated the supply of leopard tanks to ukraine. deutsche welle reports on everything. we must do and provide everything possible. and leopard tanks was emphasized by the representative of the green faction, the other from this is the head of the bundestag, the deputy head of the free democratic party, wolfgang kopyki, also said that it was reasonable to put not only the marder but also leopard tanks,

according to him, it is important to support the defense of ukraine's ability well, we are moving on, let's talk now about what is happening on the territory of belarus while our partners are thinking about whether to give us your tanks or not to give us your tanks on the territory of belarus from the russian federation, what punks the tanks are slowly rolling in, what is going on , is it some kind of rotation or some kind of demonstrative measures, ah, so far, our military and relevant services have not recorded, uh, some kind of unconscious shock fist, but according to various estimates, there may already be in belarus about 12,000 russian troops are concentrated and they continue to arrive, but on the night of january 7, another echelon of russian troops was transferred to belarus, the number of about 700-800 people. well, a little more than the ukrainians in principle . communication , journalist, dissident, belarusian politician , public figure, we welcome you, mr. zenon

, good day, good day. please tell us what is happening now on the territory of belarus. all the concentration of russian personnel of the russian armed forces are preparing for russians and how do the belarusians who live there directly in the locations of these newly imported russian soldiers perceive it ? they said and then poroshenko, i don't show up at 11 p.m. i don't want to speak in russian, it's not good, i

took it off because it's clear that there was speech in the mode, as they gave another terrace. cards mean a letter and so on, this is one, my dears, please note that they did not pay attention to this, we were a little late, lukashenko said that they pee on the planes, how will i be, uh, in asia, there will be bundles specially, i will not cut this, that i specifically addressed this, this is dangerous i think that they paid

a lot of attention to this rpsh because lukashenko, oh my god, happiness is now in belarus and--they are so -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- this psychopath can i will do it, i will give it, i took it seriously, the leading doctor, dr. lukashenko, ah, what is it that is being interrupted now, gradually, belarus is being stretched, russia is tightening, tanks, machines, transporters, i am using force. well, that’s what

you said for the winter . wants to repeat what was at first to find an attack on the bottom and tied up, too, in promises for you one and a half and in fact, we will perform with two million and when такое что в мой мерикат что открывает, but i think that it is necessary to relate yes yes to that the plan can be already everything already everything is 300 m² will start well two times a month at least implements such a

policy i think that it is good of course what measures to resist is just as good that it will distinguish eh from the danger i am recruiting for this everyone means different opinions here are such opinions that uh, it is not necessary to eat for depreciation , it is necessary to speak to get together, i, uh, it is a dear thought that it is necessary to eat and get a weapon. here, i think to say the second opinion. have a second conversation with everyone because you can hold on so that uh, we will maximize this is a serious

matter, but when these people don't want to be mobilized, i don't want to do it, and it's like they have weapons, what can we do, what can i return the weapons, we need an escort. we have to keep in mind what can open us up against the russians, there are a lot of them right now, out of 12 thousand, which will be more painful. so, in this way, you have to compete for your country, for your life, there is no other way - this is not minced meat, there is another way the way is being prepared for the belarusians. therefore, it is necessary to approach it rational and policy that is not carried out, when they will not be carried out, it is necessary to use this in one's own interests, and the 13th weapon of the competition, and what is interesting is that the actual lukashenko - he understands them, he is afraid but how will they break up