in the next meetings, i hope. now i will briefly inform you about what we will talk about after a short break. well, you don't expect news. there will be news as early as the 18th, and after a 2-3 minute break, there will be a conversation about what three years ago in irani was over teheran over the capital early on a ukrainian plane was shot down, which was not only ukrainians, by the way, there were few ukrainians, and above all, it was canadians the most well, there were also ukrainians for the british, indeed there were ukrainians . aviators, people, specialists in this field, and we will also talk about what was implemented by president zelensky, the decision of the national security and defense council regarding poets,

public figures, journalists, people 's deputies, er, er, often former members of the russian federation, which means er, support putin's politics, singers, there are some presenters of tv channels, at least one i noticed and we will take this opportunity to talk with ivan, a ukrainian journalist, poet , public figure and former deputy from rybchyn, what does he think about it? and now we have a small but also and not a long but meaningful break, please , look, i found a working store in three letters, it is closed, i don’t have a light, please, this bouquet is lucky. it doesn’t disappear in us. so, the generator on the street is

humming. but only fop and ubd, this is for example how my husband and i have a family business. they give up to uah 20,000 . i understand it. thank you very much for the bouquet of support for the ukrainian veteran business. find out the details on the website or by calling on the phone, i am iryna koval, mother, wife, host of the espresso tv channel. and i am also a volunteer. our soldiers at the front need a lot of things every day, and that is why it is part of my life. today, this is help to the armed forces of ukraine, and i am very grateful to my colleagues for supporting me in this. now i am walking through unfamiliar lviv. not

kiev, i go to an unfamiliar coffee shop and drink delicious lviv coffee, everything is alive and everyone alive in ukraine owes the army now, surprisingly, life and army are synonymous words in ukraine, because without the army there is no life, helping the army is help life, help the ukrainian army and life will win over death, each of you can help even a small contribution to support the army saves the lives of our soldiers and brings our victory closer oh, i'm already on the air, lord, i looked at myself, i apologize, so i promised so it will be so gennady khazan ukrainian aviator, president of the all-ukrainian aviation organization, association of private

pilots and aircraft owners, wow, association of millionaires and billionaires, well, i said something like that, god, it's a joke. it was a joke, of course. dear ukrainian citizens, well, after the program, i will contact you one day, you are teaching me how to buy an airplane for rent and learn to fly and become a member of the association of private pilots and aircraft owners above, they themselves said ok, we agreed, well, look, when it happened three years ago 8 in january, did you sit at home or away? were you caroling somewhere or were you caroling near you and here is the information about the downing of this plane with a crane? your first thought is that it was purposeful. the iranians are at fault, the ukrainians are at fault, the ukrainians are at fault,

by accident, some kind of ukrainian negligence . no, no, the professionalism of the ukrainians, uh, can it be the americans, and what did the iranians hint at, that is, what was the first impression, what were the first thoughts you had three years ago, please, mr. gennadiy, i want to tell you that the first thoughts, uh, three years ago, what happened there was a crash of a ukrainian plane, and when the first footage appeared, it became clear to me personally that, unfortunately, a tragedy had occurred because, most likely, a ukrainian plane that was performing a regular passenger flight was destroyed something similar to an anti-aircraft missile or missiles in general, these were my first thoughts, i

received this information rather much more than in general it turned out, uh, people were able to find out about this, i made several calls to people and in the profession, they were all shocked, shocked by what happened but they saw the video, i’m telling you, your impression , let’s give it a try, or you know, there is such a term, and most likely, it’s an intervention, an intervention in the field, so to your question, who’s guilty, who’s not guilty, who ’s to blame, as always, i'm human the aviation department has always claimed and claims that it should be answered or that the investigation should be conducted and

there should be a decision of this commission. this is how it is done in the whole world. pilots say and lick their tongues, this is wrong, this is wrong from memory to those pilots who were on board before that before those before that crew they were professional people they were professional people with a capital letter there are many people from that crew to know i personally knew none of the pilots there were no questions about the technical equipment, there were no questions, that is, the plane was in a technically sound condition before takeoff, the crew was alive and healthy, ready to perform this ordinary passenger flight, but the intervention of third parties, well, there is some external cause, external, most likely, the physical body which got into the plane er led to the fact that

the plane was destroyed and look i'm sorry but one more very delicate question for a specialist maybe it's not delicate for me such people who sit on the ground and protect the iranian sky is persian the sky is open to possible encroachments, they could or can they assume a mistake, because then we are happy to say well, well, so-and-so, so-and-so, so-and-so, such a coincidence , well, so-and-so was completely wrong, if it is true, we will put them in jail, we will convict them. you, you definitely could have assumed a mistake, why nowhere? apart from this case, mistakes are not assumed, why a person takes off in paris, london, kyiv and somehow everything is fine, the air defense does not

work, nothing works and all these boeings fly where they want as bases, but here they started errors, what kind of error is this and is this error possible? you know very well, you have raised questions that i can answer for one and a half hours and one and a half minutes. it's a completely different relationship to flying. it's a completely different relationship to air defense. i spoke with the officers of the air defense of ukraine who did me. most likely, they had experience of being in the far east in general. east, yes, that is, you see the middle east, and they told me their opinion, their assumption that at that moment it was the time of namaz, most likely. and most likely, the

crew was against an anti-aircraft missile, which was a missile, just performing namaz, it was translated into automatic automatic mode , and when the target appeared, which they had to demolish in manual mode, yes, because that ordinary plane was not there, and the tragedy happened. and why did the tragedy happen, because, besides all that, the world community had similar countries what is iran and the relationship to the lives of other people here it's over the head well, it's a little bit on the head, and by the way, i want to remind all viewers of the joint statement of the international group for coordination and assistance to the victims of flight pc-752 on the occasion of two years from the day of the tragic downing of flights, which was

published on january 6, 22, 13:49, attention that iran is preventing any investigation. he promised that he would do it, he does not do it, and that 's all, you know. as i tell you in my personal private thoughts, that e- is a community the world in a certain way or in an appropriate way did not react to the activities of this country , to the activities of the aviation authorities, and everything that led to the fact that they put a finger on the third phalanx, they did nothing, they did nothing, and now they this state supplies the elements of war, yes i.e. drones through russia to ukraine, that's why no one wanted a deterioration of relations, as they once allowed

russia to do a lot of things so that nothing happened, but it turns out, look, ok, and let's go down this road, i accept your challenge, i pro- i accept legally, well, look, you and i mean, we can treat the council in a different way, put it like, dislike , suspect, suspect, but also wounds, a bunch of sanctions, now in second place after russia, a year ago it was in first place in the world in terms of the burden of sanctions, now it is second after russia, and this means that if the international community did not do anything, nothing can be done, or something can be done. canada says sweden says britain says ukraine says the states of those citizens who died there and say we want to investigate we want it let's do it let's cooperate let's let the commission come so that iran is silent tigran

is silent and nothing can be done or can anything be done or is it possible to have any influence on tehran in general and in particular in this plane in relation to this terribly shot down plane, all flights to and from the country can be banned the international association and kao is called very serious, very serious, the only one in the world that has such great powers , it closes this country with a latch and just throw away the key. they all stop flying and the dot stands still and let them not row with oars if they want to get something by air transfer the passengers of the truck the rest of the things only serious adequate actions against that, i.e. force them

to take certain steps and when a decent person communicates with a rude person, he thinks that he can be -what can a decent person say, because he is decent and well-educated, he can’t help but answer this and that this way and that this is how it is actually done this is how it is done and they understand the same way as the russians once did and we let's put our feet on the table during the negotiations, what are you going to do to us, and you get a face, and then we get a good one, we won't put our feet on the table with such states and rogues, they only face as a holy memory, my grandfather told me when the katsap stops at that moment and in the place where they receive face to face, they received and stopped there. and why? is it the sluggishness of ukrainian diplomats, ukrainian politicians that this is not

done ? they are knocking on the door and kao and does the whole world know what iran is, iran has a lot of very powerful enemies and america, israel, and canada itself, the european community, why is this not being done? i just reminded you that it was the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, yes, the joint statement of the international group was on january 6. well, last year, now. well, a month and a half before the start, you understand, yes, because once something is done uh, politically or uh for example, the ministry of foreign affairs , certain procedures must be carried out, and

the procedures will, unfortunately, take time. but i think i know this situation, i spoke with the leadership of the state service of ukraine on this matter, too, ukraine did ukraine did everything then all the steps to start movements, they started, but you and did you make a statement or write, it is enough to apply there was a statement , a letter, a statement was made, this is the grass of time , because the answers are all unfortunately because of the fact that iran is such a state, it it dragged on and then the war started, but here the main thing now is that the war does not affect the investigation and when the war ends, complete the fact of the victory of ukraine. in order for the damned katsaps to be lucky enough to buy, then the extended period of the investigation must be extended and there

must be a decision of the international commission because that state after all, the victim of the airline company and the families of the crew should definitely not be given compensation. well , now, i recognize them as guilty, but no one should give this to the party that will be found guilty. and what do you say, the commission? should make a decision after the commission and coffee, if he would make such a broad decision, we remember the history of vera's nuclear weapons in iran in the late 90s and early 2000s, when the iranians simply did not allow the same commissions, only on nuclear safety, into their territory and so right here, okay, the commission says we will

come to you now, but they are told i, we will not let you in, we will not let anyone out, go to hell, that is, you understand when you are dealing with a bandit. how do you correctly notice? then you always have doubts, and the bandit will react uh, you can't talk with words, or just shoot a bullet in the forehead, i'll give you three three, well , uh, the answer is not in one word. look, you just said the word, how to influence a bandit, yes. why is it taking so long? look at mh17, how old is it? it has passed to the first vote on who is responsible for the downing of a boeing on the territory of ukraine, less than 17 years, yes, more than 8 years, yes, more than 8 years. it is now the third. and we were engaged in the investigation, not the ukrainian authorities, yes, but the europeans. that is, they are also

bad . yes well, the european authorities are allegedly bad , but all the circumstances were investigated and they did not do it and did not leave it to the russians, if it is about the noun october 17 and not a single company through which they would have had the opportunity to draw conclusions, then the same should be done here with regard to bandits, you know, we have a lot in ukraine, in particular, people say that we have a bad police force or that there is such a family. i say that i always ask questions if something bad happens. to whom do you call? the first call is the truth to the police to those whom you don't like there, allegedly, and her answer to you is what to do with that hooligan with a bandit running around the street threatening someone with a knife , specially trained guys are called who put the scumbag in the asphalt and pull that bandit out, and then the prosecutor's office or mr.

prosecutor and mr. judge give a legal assessment of what they did, because only they have such powers to create a legal assessment of those things only from the position of talking with those beings, not only talking, but behaving differently, and everything in a different way, in fact, you are showing the moment of the rocket explosion. as it turned out then there was the second rocket. well, actually, when i asked the heat specialists, they told me that you saw your rockets there, yes , this is such a system, it works so and so and so and most likely. they turned it on automatically and manually always reset it to manual mode when the planes took off and it was like this as soon as possible thank you very much hennadiy khazan - ukrainian aviator - president of the all-ukrainian aviation organization of the association of private pilots and

aircraft owners to whom i can to fall if if if if if you fall into my strong hands. good deal. thank you very much. thank you very much. gennadiy. thank you very much for finding time for us. yevhen rybchynskyi also found time for us. yevhen rybchynskyi also found time for us. good health, yevgeny. thank you for really taking the time. so here we have 119 enemies of ukraine, there are people who were born. well, we have many more of them, there are tens of millions, but there are those who think of themselves that they are singers, tv channel hosts or where are the presenters of some programs a-a, performers, poets well, i don’t know, in short, they are all russians, humorists, humorists, yes, yes, yes, and if it is

correct, but that is not my question, it is not, what do you think the fate of these and such people can be a month has passed, there was someone else. well , someone else supported putin and so on. is it worth singling this out so that the president constantly signs something there or do such and such a cancellation of russian pop culture on ukrainian territory? there is laima vaikule, she is from the baltic countries, please, and she has a clear position there, who makes exceptions, the opposite of what i mean, mr. yevgeny, that is, there is ddt, it is banned for everyone, and ddt is allowed, and then it is much

easier, not 150-200 500 a 3 5 10 people can be allowed, please sh- think about this , well, the problem is much deeper and it is much longer than this war, even along the way. the fact is that it was necessary to do this for 30 years, it was necessary to separate the wheat from the chaff. variety show ukrainian culture had to be separated from the russian one even when relations with the russian federation were more or less normal, cultural things had to be done proportionally, i.e. if we have a theater of russian drama in kyiv, we should instead make a theater of ukrainian drama in moscow, a theater , a museum of russian of art, the museum of ukrainian art in moscow, not everything was done like that everything went like this, everything was one-sided as

it should have been in the empire, that is, the expansion continued despite the fact that for us in the first year we became independent in the end, all this changed not when they climbed into the tuzla, but in 2014, when they already entered the crimea, then the donbas, and even then it was necessary to do something and something was done, it is impossible to say that, for example, the 8 of us who were called there did not do eh hm for example the law on e-e for its mass information of electrons e-e proportionally e-e ukrainian music although you spent in what what we no we no we should have done not the proportions of ukrainian music in relation to russian but in the proportion of foreign music in proportion to ukrainians that is russian

russian pop music is a part of world culture, relatively speaking, and they should have been represented in this culture in the world as some kind of share, unlike in our country 70-80%. and in fact ukrainian the listener lived in the russian-speaking informational and cultural space, none of this was done. in the end, we have what we have, and this is all an echo. what is happening now? the echo is the restoration of those processes that lasted for 30 years. appeared a while ago well, 119, well, let there be at least 119 e-e figures. by the way, these are not active with the russian federation, well, for example that khotynsky is a citizen of the united states of america, and lyubov uspenska herself is also a citizen of the united states, it’s just that they are all part of russian culture, that’s it, that

’s all and kirkorov is a people’s artist of ukraine, what’s possible, mr. yevgeny, look well, yes, i agree with such a swing there were always er, at first someone more progressive came. well, i remember vice prime minister slava kirilenko, who did a lot to clean it up, but then some pro-russian , er, yanukovych people came all this returned and so on, but the question is, in your opinion, during or after the war, it could be like this, i would call it an existential question, it was raised and resolved at the legislative level, that's what we said, just say, no, there is no blame at all, all russian cultural figures are canceled, there are exceptions in the list well in order not to write a list of 119,540, it is not possible to write down all of them in this way and

that way, there are five to seventy 12 of them and forget about it, and if you want to, you should deserve to write a special letter from the ministry of culture, it says that it arrived in our forest democracy, let's discuss, let's discuss. does this person have the right or not ? it's really a question of the information space , it doesn't apply at all to russian artists, it doesn't apply at all, for example, sometimes mr. mykola comes to france . there will be no other songs and better than ukrainian songs. this is the only way to develop one's own culture and to develop one's own show business. this is the only way to develop a business, in particular, to defend yourself uh, on records, uh, in apple music, a person

can download whatever he wants, and this is part of his own freedom. whom he likes there, russian, listen to the download and listen to himself in the car, but if i get into a car, for example, in an uber or in a taxi, i i choose as a passenger, do you listen to me or do i want to listen to the national airwaves? and everything that is russian, we have to ban everything that is not ukrainian. well, here is an elementary example, and you said about it, you said that they should be excluded, of course there should be, here are two albums in oleksandr malinina, ukrainian i found money, found time, talent to record all of this so that it sounded like it was heard by ukrainian e-e radio and tv channels, that's how it

's done. so you go to a foreign market and do contextual things for that market, for example, an american socket for other than ukrainian ones, you will not sell any electrical appliances with our ukrainian sockets there, because no one has them don't buy on that market with the e-e format that should be there, that's it, we have to ban everything except ukrainian that's all yevhena rybchinskyi was with us thank you very much journalist poet politician people's deputy of the eighth convocation thank you mr. yevheni i will take this opportunity to tell just before as i will go from answering to questions, i stole a little bit of yevgeny's time. i apologize, eh, so look. i have a very similar device, alex princesen, he is a

canadian producer of tv programs, and we sat and talked about these quotas not quotas, if you remember, this discussion has been going on for many years. it may be decades for you that the market chooses itself, so let's mean it, let there be russian and ukrainian singers, singers, and and. whoever wants to go to kirkorov will go. and whoever doesn't want to, won't go. that's me too i tell him what do you think about this discussion, he doesn't say, do you understand, there is such a thing as selindion and she's canadian , she's a canadian singer, so if we didn't have quotas of iron canadian quotas regarding america, there regarding canada and regarding relations with america, and we understood that 90 well, there maybe 80