stand people will change because they just have straw instead of brains, they just don't think at all, they are anti- ukrainian and those who are there in any way even i'm not saying that how i am that i'm afraid for ukraine even those who just help for them that's already fascists and nazis are no longer people for them, it's just very, very much, how would they ask in every way here in israel to show well, you see yes, it is possible to leave the soviet union, but leave the soviet union on its own denis, thank you, denis desiatnyk lieutenant colonel of the main intelligence department, former commanders of the israeli special unit, which is now fighting for ukraine, we had uh on the air, we will now continue this near eastern topic with igor sami volosom, director of the center for moscow eastern studies. congratulations, mr.

igor. to go to turkey because there was a conversation between the president of turkey and the president of russia and ukraine, and again there was talk of peace talks and mediation, while russian president vladimir putin continues to insist that that he is ready to win over, however , unknown conditions, which include the recognition of russian annexation, all these demands that will be collateral in ukraine even before the invasion of cardigan - he hears this, but continues to constantly say that he will fight for such a meeting, why mediation is fruitless, you know, it seems to me that the key for ortogan is the demonstration of his participation, most likely , that is, this is the key issue for him and obviously, this is the main effort aimed at not winning the elections, and he can always tell his to the electorate that i did everything in my power to prevent escalation, but you

see the west, what he actually tells her prevented me from this, he was going to escalate, he supplied weapons and this did not give us the opportunity to make a breakthrough in our diplomacy, but we in our it seems to me that this is the key message that he is spreading now to his electorate, and i think that to a large extent it is related to the fact that, well, as for his electorate, the turks are afraid of the situation and they do not fully understand how they will act in if they have to act from the position of a member of nato, then they do not understand this, and it is not for nothing that recently there have been a lot of such stories of historical excursions about what is the best thing to be

neutral a-a how good that turkey remained neutral under the time of the second world war and the like. that is, it also symbolizes a certain uncertainty, the confusion of erdoğan and the turkish voter is virtual, who clearly did not expect such a development, so you think that i will be disgraced in the upcoming elections presidential, parliamentary positions to be positioned as the president of the peace, that's how orban, let's say, in the elections, the question was positioned absolutely right, absolutely right, and we already hear everything ah, because peace is peace. it sounds much better in the elections than war. you can put anything into the concept of peace. - what is any concept that is associated with good and eternal and safe, instead

of standing on the side of continuing the war, it means scaring the electorate, that is, he is actually doing this, in principle, do you think that it is possible to imagine have i started any russian-ukrainian negotiations , such as those that were in istanbul, or has the time for such talks already ended? last year, i think that, given the current situation, i do not imagine such negotiations. at least because we legislated the impossibility of such negotiations and have something extraordinary should happen in order for us to enter this process again, so far i do n't see anything like that, and therefore such negotiations are impossible, some kind of consultations, some kind of agreements, like a grain agreement, they are possible, but not more than that, the more you please note that even the grain agreement was not signed with the russians, it was signed through the mediators of the united nations and

turkey, this week there was a lot of talk about the comment from the bank that the prime minister of israel, the new old man near minyet yahoo, can become a mediator between russia ukraine , however, it is absolutely clear to me how the latter differs from the medium from the solid state. to be honest, i would say that i would even. well, as a reprimand, at least there is some result. yes, we can put and pay attention to the same grain deal or to an attempt to put the parties at the negotiating table in april oh-oh-oh there is no such thing and it is not expected yes, that is, in general i can evaluate it in the russian word, the car is busy, but in principle so when uh, no, they softly call zelenskyi, zelenskyi discusses something, then the minister of foreign affairs of israel koin, the new minister talks with the minister of foreign affairs of russia lavrovy for the first time in almost 10 months after the start of the war - this is an effort by both sides to make some e-e contacts to support

israel's transition to the turkish policy sagittarius it seems to me that this is a certain uh answer to uh well, let's say this about the electorate that chose this coalition, but this electorate is indifferent to the problems of ukraine, but there is a concern about security and the iranian problem, so uh, it means a new uh, newly minted the minister of foreign affairs in israel ilkoen he a-a proposes such a format, yes, through russia, to try to limit the possible actions of the morning as before, and how realistic is it in general now, has the middle east not changed during this war of russia against ukraine, you know well, in politics there are two two two formats activities, yes, this is conflict and negotiations, that is, conflict - this is understandable when the parties already see that there are no other options, but with regard to negotiations, it is when one party is ready

to believe the lies of the other party, and in this case, i think that iran and israel are demonstrating this behavior, but to what extent can be considered a far-sighted good question. well , i don’t know yet, no, well, in the bible, there is at least some experience in providing you. yes, and the previous tracks of his tenure in office. he says that it is possible to achieve certain not strategic but tactical decisions, and you are probably based on the fact that now the attention is focused mainly on ukraine and the united states of america under the rule of the democrats is also not very ready to support bibi, taking into account the government policy that has just begun and has already caused a number of scandals, so they are looking for, well, let's say a window of opportunity for, well, the resumption

of dialogue with moscow, taking into account again the fact that moscow needs this dialogue and i, which means there is a chance to negotiate more. and what in yes, i apologize, but this is completely false logic, but it is so far built like this, and works like this. what do you think moscow is more concerned about now, the security of israel or the military aid of grain? and for moscow, perhaps this is a good question. well, in fact, military aid to iran is not very important to them. is very troubling. i think that under certain circumstances moscow would not do this, but it simply found itself in this situation when it cannot already exist drones and possibly missiles, so it plunges into this cooperation, so to speak, and instead israel it is interesting how it is possible to enter america through the back door, so to speak

, an attempt to agree on the key points, not publicly, and at least i don’t know exactly what rico cohen was talking about and about that was bibi's language and that of putin. and it seems to me that there is such a thing. well, at least the russians also have an idea that the ukrainians also have that, and that the israelis are an important composite component in cooperation with the americans. i think that this is being traded. and what do you think? that us secretary of state anthony blinking, who spoke with minister cohen before his negotiations with laurel, really asked cohen to hand over something from the americans

. yes, yahu can now mediate with moscow and washington. we talked about mediating between maritime kiev and between moscow and washington. what can he do now? the main issue is punts and here there are no equals, the main thing is to trade the opportunity, not the reality, and here there is no yagu can do it and very effectively well, i apologize to mr. yuri if there are still some officials in ukraine who do not really understand who can do what then in russia they must be aware of an even worse situation because they generally have a mystical consciousness, that is, they generally think in terms of the categories of such theories, and within the framework of the conspiracy theory - this is exactly the chip that is missing in their masonic lodge, we will meet over there, biden decides everything with him. well, not with biden, but with others who

influence biden. how do you generally look at the situation in the middle east from the point of view of the probability of a new conflict? you admit that i am early capable of preparing for some kind of war with saudi arabia do you know if there is a percentage with israel? let's give percentages. i will say that it is less than 50, less than 40%, that iran is preparing for this because iran is now in a situation of siege, and on the contrary, it feels that there are sounds around it, let's say forces and uh- e he considers a whole series events in which actually well, he himself is to blame, starting from the uprising inside the country and ending with the fact that practically all the neighbors united against iran, and he considers it as part of the language, and on the other hand, he also threatens, yes, it is true, he does it, but this no, hmm, i don’t

see any signs that he is preparing for some kind of attack , some serious military operation. and what is the russian interested in his contacts in the morning, in principle? here it is, this is what they talk about all the time, they talk about uh this road ah this is south uh south north uh and now they are making efforts to build a railway to azerbaijan which will allow transporting goods uh from russia to iran directly and there are talks about iranian ports on the caspian sea, but this is a long story because they are in a bad condition and are not ready to accept any serious cargo there. that is, it is one, but without a doubt, this conversation

is being talked about, and hmm, iran is also interesting for russia more because, first of all, it is a large country in the middle east and with a large population of a and e. in addition to this, there are not many countries in the world that are ready to directly support russia, so they are happy and ready to support everyone who expresses their direct and they simply don’t have other options to support them, and the interaction between wounds was proven during the war in syria and they have it, at least they can rely on it. how do you see the development of relations between ukraine, turkey, and israel in the future? they will remain like them, there is a certain equivalence , we help you, but we want to have relations with

moscow , will there be any change of positions ? when the turks shot down a russian plane and, accordingly, the ukrainians used this opportunity to improve relations, it differed in that there was a separate ukrainian -turkish track and this track. practically, this track is practically not affected by relations between turkey and russia. during the war, turkey is trying to rebuild the triangle again, that is, turkey-ukraine, russia, and it is obvious to us that this situation will not change before the elections , and already after the elections, after the results of these elections, we can talk about how or whether the policy will continue like this in turkey or there will be changes if there is an opposition

party. we are the opposition party, representatives of the opposition bloc, so you can say that it is still unclear who will be the main candidate, so it is obvious that we may enter a new stage in relation to yes, if the ukrainians prove to the experts the importance of these political forces in ukraine, and of course the changes took place as a result of the war, and as for israel, i do not see any opportunities in the near future. due to the circumstances, which we have already talked about here many times, but today's government, well, which came, which has a certain political er stability. yes, there is a sufficient number of members of the

knesset in order to prevent a crisis. this government will pay even less attention to this, but the situation can really change after the end of the war when the reconstruction of ukraine begins, when big money appears and when the same countries and israel and turkey want to participate in contracts for the reconstruction of ukraine for the same russian money here you can see certain serious changes. we will be in touch later about many important events related to e-e changes in american policy with changes, primarily aid to ukraine, because now they are already talking about the fact that ukraine will be able to receive offensive weapons from the united states, he believes that this is very important because that without offensive weapons it

is simply impossible to imagine that this war will end quickly, we see how zealously and fanatically putin is fighting the civilized world, and therefore it is very important that the ukrainian troops have the opportunity to receive weapons with the help of which territories of ukraine will be liberated as soon as possible, these territories that are now under the control of russian troops and these territories from some russians say, you understand, they don't really want to go anywhere, yuri rashkin will be in touch with us, and we will talk with him about it, we will talk in general, about what is happening in the internal politics of the united states there, all this is very interesting, very important, because in one way or another the situation is connected with the united states, what is the name of the situation there, it affects me

the whole course of events on how there will be changes in world politics and now many are trying to analyze and what will the events in 2025 be called, how can they change the situation presidential elections in the united states that took place in 2024, i will even say that the situation can be changed not even by elections and it can change the situation related to the election campaign, because we see that it is always the american election campaigns in one way or another. they change the entire political landscape, they change the situation, which is related to the e-e approach to global world problems we remember how these approaches changed from george bush jr. to barack obama, from barack

obama to donald trump, now from donald trump to joseph biden, it is of great importance which party has control over the white house, which congress at this time, which is going by political lightning to moldova is very difficult politics is very complicated. this is a process that you should always talk about, and that you should always be aware of, because it is an incredibly ambitious task, to know how to work with the american political establishment, to know how the downside of a tattoo bipartisan support that exists in the united states thanks to the fact that the democratic world is a huge supporter of what is happening in the ukrainian- russian conflict, a huge supporter of

ukraine, but at the same time we hear voices related to the fact that you and i need to count money too we understand that the world is somewhere on the verge of a serious economic crisis, the russian invasion of ukraine provoked a lot of negative processes, we also understand this very well with you, they concern not only the ukrainian economy, they concern the economies of the countries of the civilized world, the russian economy. we also now see how difficult it is in russia to find new money for the war. president putin says that the russian army will not be denied anything. it is absolutely obvious that even in this situation we need to find opportunities , we need to find resources, there are no such resources, and in this regard, it is absolutely obvious that in the

situation in which we now exist there is a huge problem related to the future economic the state of the united states in other countries of the civilized world, why do we talk about the fact that it is in our interests to run out of property as soon as possible, this applies not only to ukraine, to the losses that are in the ukrainian economy, it also applies to what happened to the e-e economy of european countries with the economy of civilized countries it is very important for the world to understand that the fact that the russians think that social instability in europe will help the victory of those forces that want to negotiate with russia plays an important role in russian hopes. what are the main ideas here the first idea is the agreements with moscow. the second

idea is that european countries and the united states also stopped supplying ukraine with weapons. the third idea is very important for the united states to exist in a state of competition between republican and democratic politicians . to be less interested in the outside world and for aid to ukraine to be perceived by the republicans as a kind of internal political project of president biden and here now that the new congress is working we will of course look at the situation with you it is obvious how the relations between republicans and democrats in the house

of representatives will develop. how much, in principle, is the target of the group of republicans, the radical republicans, who refused to support the new speaker of the house of representatives, kevin mccartney, 14 rounds in a row have not happened in the history of american politics since the 19th century, how much will it be able to influence for all the decisions of the americans in the congress, the democracy of the republicans is an important thing, because now any of these people who turn out to be what we say do not stand out for the line that they will advocates can initiate his resignation , this has happened repeatedly in the history of the house of representatives with republican speakers who were forced

to resign because they did not have the support of the majority of their fellow party members, and in this sense, there will always be a question that mccarthy will not want to negotiate with a democrat on any joint decisions which will be related to national interests or do everything possible to get into office, many are already talking about the representatives of the american analytical the establishment in the media writes that, in principle, real chaos awaits the american congress, that after having to win on the map, it is unlikely that he will be able to be an effective leader of the house of representatives, that there may be trouble between the republican leadership in the house of representatives and

the leadership of the republican minority , we will only see the rest of the nation how will everything happen, because we are only in the first days . now we can talk about what is happening in the situation of relations between the united states and ukraine at this wedge parliament that what is happening in the political life of the united states, how will weapons be supplied in the future, of course it is unpleasant for us to hear that many people in the west are trying to understand how the war will continue in 2025, it is now 2023 for most ukrainian citizens it is difficult to imagine that the years of war are ahead, but you have to learn to live in options, of course the war can end and 2023, but the conflict is very

similar to the syrian-type conflict, the long-term conflict of the russian federation is very interested in the fact that it will dismantle the conflict because then the interest for this the conflict will decrease and it will get much more opportunities, not only military but also political, to destabilize the situation of the enemy country for sabotage, of course the question arises whether russia has the resources for this, but we will answer this question in the coming months and years, we will see for ourselves whether russia has the resources or no, for people in the west, this is a theoretical question. they are in this theater box, they help us with weapons, but they look for conflicts, when economic starvation will protect europe, the united states will no longer be as spectators, they will be active participants in the conflict, they will have to choose or choose

some continuation of the conflict, understanding that the continuation of the war and aid to ukraine will eventually lead to further degradation of the western economy, and only after the war, only after the taming of russia, will we be able to hope for growth, this is also years, or look for some ways that will be unfavorable for ukraine, but at least ensure the growth of the european american economy faster, such a situation is such a question of the great choice i i think that 2023 will be the year of such a choice and it may be chosen just as if victory is chosen, then victory is the time to prepare for a long conflict for a long taming of putin in order to overcome russia's attempts to prolong this conflict and it is clear

that putin's idea is to prolong it until 2025 year because putin will hope precisely for the elections of the year 224 in the united states, russia always has ideas that this change of power in the united states is always a time when you can act as you like and a time when there are much more opportunities for maneuver and there will be hope for this can also happen with some new administration. i think you understand it perfectly. now it is quite difficult to predict all this, because we are with you in the mist and mlavia, nothing is ungrateful for any forecasts, and more people need some optimistic forecasts, but the holidays are already over . in this way, you can be free from optimistic forecasts and return to the idea that there are many options for optimism and pessimism are always side by side in war, and you must be ready for any options

for the development of events, but be sure that the trend is on the side of the boxing of ukraine, that the trend is on the side of the civilized world, that this is quite important, such a moment is connected with the future development of our country and with the development of the situation connected with the fact that you and i live in a very difficult world, but a world in which democratic countries have a much larger volume of economy and opportunities between authoritarian countries and russia, with their economic level, they are protesting now with the economic strength of these countries of the civilized world, of course, there are no obvious chances to win, if of course, it will be very nervous the system of ukraine has a civilized education, it is very important now, it is important to realize that first of all you need to stand up, that the enemy is counting on the fact that this force will not be enough for this, this is also a topic of quite serious

discussion in the near future, and i think that we will continue this discussion. and now i want hand over the microphone to our news service, which has prepared for you the latest issue of e-e events for this hour and not in the soap operas, now you will be presented with these news, please. good evening, thank you for a few moments about the most important, in particular, i will tell you about the next russia's lies and an unlikely attack from belarus never happened. and again russia lied about the night attack on kramatorsk. the russian federation called it a response to the buried soldiers in the makiiv vocational technical school. according to the ministry of defense , the aggressor country was allegedly destroyed by shelling.