these are representatives of the american congress. i think you also watched and followed us all , i think i already learned the last names of all american businessmen in 15 tours , as we once knew some names of soviet leaders because they were also constantly repeated on television parades, so it was impossible not to know and now we know all the canadians in essence, but the result of the election of the speaker, according to the american media, was the fact of the agreements of the new head of the house of representatives, mr. kevin mccart, and with such a pantheonical part his own party regarding the serious reduction of the military budget, and the reduction of the budget is the reduction of aid to ukraine, and the reduction of aid to ukraine is just pushing ukraine to negotiate with moscow, and it is as if this does not concern ukraine in any way. this is an internal political american reality , but if you look carefully, these forces are interested in order for the united states to help ukraine as little as possible to help

russian president vladimir putin win this duel with the civilized world . are pushing their intentions well, i wouldn't say that even this is such an agreement, it will clearly result in a reduction of military aid to ukraine from the united states of america, and first of all, you and i also understand that with such an election of the speaker from the republicans and these agreements, this does not mean that all republicans and you remember well, you understand well and you know but the speaker was elected with a one-vote advantage and it does not mean that all republicans will be ready to adhere to this agreement that was concluded for in order for the speaker to be elected. he himself is quite likely to adhere to

this agreement, but the moderate majority of republicans is unlikely, and you know that at the beginning of december, my colleagues and i were in the united states of america and we received assurances repeatedly from the side , including the republican party, of its various representatives, and in the senate, in the congress, and already in the newly elected representatives, who constantly talked about the fact that, after all, this moderate majority of republicans is i am categorically positive about the continuation and increase of support for the military of ukraine, so i hope that this will not have a direct impact on the budgets allocated for ukraine, although i am convinced that this map will be used in the internal political struggle after these

midterm congressional elections in two years , the presidential elections are to be held, and already during this year it will begin, it has already begun de facto. well, such primaries and companies within the political forces on the following the next head of the white house, and this will definitely be a-ah well, signs will be given a-ah as to how far the united states will continue to be leaders in this process of providing military assistance to ukraine, and i could be wrong, i'm just clarifying, isn't it just for this case that the own program of land- for us from the united states, which we still do not choose, the united states does not provide us with assistance, that is, i understand that the budget is based on the amount of money in it, but i want to remind you that this story is a zlandvis it was initiated by, well, first of all , the republicans, and in order for lend-lease to start

working, it must be supported by such a government agreement between the united states and the ukrainian government, which has not been concluded to date, so this definitely means the allocation of additional funds but it also means and a-a placing such orders for the defense industry of the united states e for various for various companies that work in this area so that they start producing weapons that the united states within the framework of this loan lease could be transferred well, let's say this as a conditional loan to ukraine, at the moment this has not really been done and no such agreement has been concluded in order for the lender to work here, you know what is important to understand to what extent, in principle, all these pre-election e -e battles in western countries confess primarily

to the conflict, here was an article psultaemsya the other day. i was just looking at the fact that the presidential elections in the united states of russia in taiwan can change the course of the war, but the presidential elections of the 24th year of the transition of power in the united states and i'm not talking about russia in taiwan anymore, it's not the 25th election, how far can you look, they say, well, you know, the war in the 25th year will be different from the 24th. and now it's 23. well, i would like to say that not only a- and there will be elections in the 24th year in the united states, and for example , what will happen in various countries and in the european union will be decisive for us, and the european commission and the european parliament will be re-elected, and in many countries they will start again, in which today us support the election a-ah election companies therefore any election process today in the countries of the

free world that help ukraine to oppose the russian federation definitely works and here is this map of this war, i will tell you that, for example, in germany, and those parties that lost the previous parliamentary elections a-ah did they get not such a large number of seats there, like the greens, for example, today they are part of the coalition and the government, but the christian democrats lost the elections in the local elections precisely because of christian democrats and the greens most actively support ukraine, so they got additional seats, that is, today's position of political forces in this war of evil against good or good against evil. it has an impact even on the local level of elections, so it will definitely matter and definitely this card will be played the question is how much we will be able to keep the attention on ourselves and

how much we will be able to work with different political forces, regardless of where they are in the position or in the opposition in order to keep our agenda a- ah well in the zone in the dawn in the focus of their attention in their field of vision and in order for them to a- ah understand deeply understand what is happening here what is at stake for them as a result of this war because in fact the result a-and the defeat of russia can be a restoration of the capacity of international law, let's say, and some foundations of international agreements around the world , and let's say, if we assume, even in a nightmare, assume that the russian federation receives, well, some concessions from

ukraine will somehow win in this war, this means a signal for those countries in the world who believe that it is possible to change the borders of another country by means of force . actually for their security and for the well- being of even the citizens of their countries, and this needs to be explained. this requires such political will on their part. it requires responsibility and some courage, for sure , which, well, sometimes it will not be easy for certain politicians and certain political forces. the war will be the war will be affected by various political processes in the key e-e players within those countries where the elections will be held, which are currently the leaders of the processes of

supporting ukraine. let's introduce our new speakers . this is mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine and yurii chornomorets, doctor of philosophy. sniper of the armed forces of ukraine and a volunteer. mr. yury good evening, today we saw the first christmas service of the ptzu in the dormition cathedral of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, or just a few months ago we could have thought it was absolutely impossible, unreal, it turned out that it is possible . by the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, what fate awaits it? well, look, we have submitted a project with colleagues to ban the activities of the russian church in ukraine, as well as its branches. so, the ukrainian church is ukrainian orthodox

the church, which is called the church of the moscow patriarchate, it does not call itself that, it should either completely sever ties with russia, with ukraine as an aggressor, which i think they do not want to do, or cease their existence if they sever ties, then patriarch bartholomew gave an excellent answer today, who congratulated ukrainians and said that there is no other way out than for everyone to unite in a single local autocephalous ukrainian church, this is an option. i think that many ministers of this church have at least when this russian influence will stop. a significant part of them will breathe a sigh of relief. and those anti-ukrainian activists who work there mainly work for russia, well, they will probably be punished if they continue to work or at least do not pose a threat to our national security, mr. yuryu. how do you characterize the fact that today metropolitan an epiphany appeared

in the assumption cathedral of kyiv-pechersk aura, and metropolitan pavlo, metropolitan of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate, stood there by the barrier with a displeased look, you know what a realistic spectacle, i want to say that this is not the one who you baum this is a glory because they do not have a lavra, i stood there for them here, i want to say that accordingly, it is very important for us that it is not the first time that the head of the autocephalous and recognized orthodox church serves in the main cathedral of the lavra and this cathedral it is shrouded in thousand-year-old legends that it was founded as a place of special presence and especially patronage of the mother of god, and it is very important that finally, it is in this cathedral that the presbyter of a completely independent church serves here on the kyiv territory

a dream only in the time of yaroslav the wise, when there was the first attempt to proclaim autocephaly, and accordingly here we see that it really came true, it is the same as for europe as the fall of the ukrainian wall, that is, for ukrainian orthodoxy. this is the beginning of events and we see that already after dinner, there was news that 13 bishops of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine were deprived of ukrainian citizenship, and accordingly, i think that various measures to minimize the influence of the moscow patriarchate on ukrainian orthodoxy will continue and they will be comprehensive and very rational. thank you, mr. mykola , we can see what will happen to the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate in the near

future. it turns out that the information that appeared today that the ptu can or will be able to use this facility for religious services in the near future, respectively, and in the lower lavra will remain the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate of the russian orthodox church. as of this moment, how long can our cultural monument remain in this status? personally, i am a supporter of these extreme buildings belonging to religious organizations that actually should be there and that were once built, and therefore definitely the lavra should belong to the ptzu, i have no doubts about it, uh, obviously with open access, there are a lot of museum treasures and the law on museums it extends to all forms of ownership of private museums and state museums, including public organizations. the church is essentially a public organization. but it will be

in the future, but now, from my point of view in my opinion, the main task is to stop the influence of the russian church on ukrainian society and ukrainian orthodoxy . for me, as a politician, as a citizen, it is necessary to stop everything that constitutes this threat, in this case, it is the russian orthodox church and its branch in ukraine, in fact, a unit of the fsb of the russian army, and it calls for the elimination of ukrainians. because, as i have already said, or they will refuse this and will testify that there are no connections with the russian church in the charter, this is not mentioned in any documents, alexia, they do not support any connections with them at all, they condemn them, and then they, as a religious organization, will be able to claim a--well, some buildings can to be their owners, but i am absolutely convinced that the owner of the lavra should

be the orthodox church of ukraine, what do you think that you are the uoc of the moscow patriarchate ? because it is obvious that it is possible not to be believers of the uoc itself, but many people who are outside this church would like it not to have any canonical ties with the moscow patriarch, showing that those people who call themselves believers of this church, 74% of them would like to ban the moscow patriarchate the patriarchate in ukraine , the leadership of this church is completely pro- moscowsky, faces great opposition from priests, that is, there are several movements of priests who are initiating the trial of patriarch kirill there from the side of vselensky according to the patriarch and other ancient patriarchs,

the marians also collect a large number of signatures, and here accordingly, well, let's say, according to the canons, those bishops who are collaborators, they could be deprived of all the ranks of the priesthood and stand a stone at the door of the temple and repent and ask for forgiveness from everyone who goes to the temple, it is such a canon that was adopted in the byzantine era, and accordingly, we suddenly see on november 23, the synopsis of this church suddenly says that you know everyone who is there in the occupied territories, including those who cooperated with the enemy is not the collaborators and the heroes, and accordingly then it is clear that such facts cause a huge disturbance not only among this ukrainian society itself, but also within the uoc itself and even among

monks and at the pechersk lavra, and because to distract the laity itself from on this topic, they are promoting all kinds of propaganda , the anti-ukrainian process, that this persecution is similar to the bolshevik persecution, and what is it , according to it, that is, well, russian statements, everyone allows anti-semitic, anti -semitic statements about what we have accordingly, these persecutions did not just happen and i believe that accordingly all these people should be punished, then this allows the 161st e-e article for inciting religious and ethnic enmity, because we absolutely do not need this during the war, and they are accordingly against ukrainians work inside ukraine and, in addition, they work on all international platforms to which they have access,

this systematic work against ukraine must be stopped and even based on the corresponding sentiments within the church itself , because this is an indulgence of collaborationism causes indignation within the uoc itself, and accordingly to revise all violations of the rules for the use of temples, violations of the legislation on the protection of monuments, and the like, and to take various systematic measures constantly, in the system of the uoc mp, there are actually several movements of clergymen, i think that together with the laity, they move all this who are initiating some kind of processes regarding their patriarch kirill, yes, and on the other hand, these people remain in the structure of the ukrainian

orthodox church of the russian orthodox church . no one has ukraine anymore, but they don’t change. this process took place for a while, but then somehow it seems to me that something got stuck, can you correct me? well , the fact is that it was precisely the decision of the council on may 27, where they threw out all references to the moscow patriarchate in the statute, but left it as fundamentally mention of the charter of the 1990s, which granted independence in management, but in fact they do not have the status of either an autocephalous or an economic church. here they were called precisely to bring down this protest movement within the church now that they accepted various anti-ukrainian solutions are brought to the collaborators by pro-russian solutions, this protest movement is gaining strength again and, accordingly, this is a huge problem for the ukrainian orthodox church because,

as mr. mykola correctly says, it is necessary to choose the race forever that either they take root here in ukraine and here there can be various models, because the state, of course, supports if the processes of unification are underway, but if they simply separate from moscow , then this is also quite tolerable for the state, but the main thing is that they make the final decision if they are with moscow, then the state must also make certain decisions and the consequences, because no state, even with such an absolute separation between the state and the church as france, for example , will never tolerate there radical religious preachers in this style that preaches the last days vladyka pavlo vladyka longin others their leaders are absolutely

anti-state things, absolutely inciting in horodnytsia within society and, accordingly, even france, which usually does not interfere, would simply have such preachers expressed from the country and everything, that is, there are no options here, no country in the world, even with the greatest degrees of religious freedom , could not tolerate such a thing. why do we tolerate this ? it is always difficult for me to understand, that is, it is impossible to tolerate it any further. this was absolutely the state policy. i had a long correspondence with the state service of ethnopolitics , which is responsible for these questions about how mr. yelensky came there, and now we are all waiting for positive changes and already see the transfer of the upper lavra for the opportunity service to the pts - as far as i know, this was one of the initiatives of viktor zelenskyi and other patriots who are in power, and before there

were other people and these other people claimed that the statutes do not need to be registered, they even wrote to me in response that the autocephalous ukrainian church will be recognized only when it is accepted by the entire orthodox cathedral, it was a city, they did not recognize it in the tomos a month ago, a ukrainian state body. obviously, they did not encourage transitions and even where parishes and even priests tried to move to the orthodox church who were responsible for registration in the regional state administrations blocked these transitions , now this situation has changed and we can only welcome it and i fully support mr. yuriy because when we say that we have the right, you know it is a two-way movement because the state does not interfere in the affairs of the church, but the church does does not have the right to interfere in the affairs of the state, and anti-state sermons, anti-state literature by spies is a direct interference in the affairs of the state, and here the state must take care of national security, and it started two years ago, these

processes can only be welcomed and i hope that now this situation will change much faster . megogo, i'm iryna koval, mother, wife, host of the espresso tv channel . and i'm also a volunteer. our soldiers at the front need a lot of things every day, and that's why it 's part of my life. today - it's help

to the armed forces of ukraine, and i'm very grateful to my colleagues that they support me in this, the war found me at home in irpen, an alarming suitcase was packed, but that did not reduce the excitement, explosions every minute, the gostomel airfield is on fire, russian fighter jets , i have a cold basement in my window, then leaving under shelling from irpen, a month of abandonment by my relatives , and in the end i ended up in lviv returned to the airwaves and started volunteering together with her colleagues. helping our military is now an integral part of life. we collect drones and thermal imagers, we weave nets, and on weekends we gather vitamin teas for our defenders. and to the defenders at the front, we all cut the fruits together, we clean the berries, we beat everything and pack it is always very happy to think that in a few days this tea will warm the ukrainian

soldiers, everyone of you can help even a small contribution to the support of the army saves the lives of our soldiers and brings our victory closer political club subbotnik program club on the espresso tv channel khrystyna yatskiv vitaly portnikov and now that part of our conversation when possible, but there are your thoughts and reflection that also very valuable revealed to you a secret for our tv viewers so let's go really probably with the main event of today, because historically i think it will definitely be appreciated the first in the history of the orthodox church of ukraine

. there is still a lot of work ahead. as you can see, in general, our awareness of what happened is in the foreseeable future. you know, i can say a fairly simple thing. in fact, what happened is, in principle, such a real historical event . a historical event that is connected with the fact that, in principle, it is still a few weeks ago. by the way, it is a few weeks on the spot. and if you and i were told that the orthodox church of ukraine would be able to hold a christmas service in the lavra, we would not have believed it for the simple reason that we knew that in these cathedrals were always served by the hierarchs of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate. by the way, even without the moscow patriarchate. i remember i live near the lavra and have been there quite often for years . i just love the area and i often visit there

when various services are held. and i look at how we call metropolitan paul uh-uh paul mercedes, and some italian woman seems to have called him padre mercedes, and i think this is a representative of some kind, you know , a special, special phrase that exactly uh characterizes the state of the russian orthodox church itself. it is absolutely obvious to me and connected, you know, with such a child well, as a youth, i was neutronization, print lecture, lecture, a friend of the patriarch of the moscow region, who was photographed in which kirill was, as you remember, were the first years, uh, pradi, the soviets, and the reconstruction, when the church i just left pidpilny, you can say, under kyrylivka, she changed radically, but she was quite strange about oleksiy, so i went to

this internship because in general it was possible to go as a journalist to some events of the russian orthodox church, and i covered the synod, but everything was elected as the patriarch i was just very interested there, and i came and stood among the priests because there were few journalists who went there then. well, i am a priest and listen to what these people, whom i considered to be different, are talking about from the communists there, the bearers of some kind of morality , oh, you know that this petra means buying a new car , and you spent this kirill an apartment there. and how is it possible to ask father montot to come there ? of the world yes, i was upset , upset well, many illusions, they disappear when communism ends, you know about many things, like some kind of dissident, you

meet like that, and he is a person, let's say so, he should be in accordance with your morals and so on, he turns out to be one of you sushilists, why do you do this as the end of an illusion? that’s the same thing too, but i won’t even talk about it . i saw the confirmation of these youthful observations of mine in the lavra. when does that mean they come out after the service and everyone gets in those luxurious cars in moscow? i’m used to this in kyiv. well, it looks strange, especially since in moscow, after all, there are no such large monasteries of territorial brains, in order to see this whole route, you have to go to serhiy posad, and every time you visited the church, i simply did not get there on this holiday, a car is for the fans of the western automobile industry, and here everyone has something that means they wrap hands, kiss, he sits down, and i think that these people can carry the flock in general

. in this regard, of course, the orthodox church of ukraine is different because of that. that it is not so civilized from the point of view of russian traditions that a priest is an official, that's where it comes from. it comes from peter oleksiyovich, a novel that destroyed the patriarchate, turned priests into officials, created a value system, and all these people for with the exception of certain figures in the history of the church, this figure could also be chauvinist shareholders, they simply did not want such machines, the first post-revolutionary patriarch tycho they are all officials and the church that stalin restored during the second world war was exactly the kind of church that you were prepotre alekseevich and now you will be with him vissarionovych and they cannot get rid of it those who do not correspond to this axiom that we rank