and in this regard, of course, the orthodox church of ukraine is different because it is not so secularized from the point of view of russian traditions that a priest is an official. where does it come from ? all these people, with the exception of certain figures in the history of the church, also different from this figure, could be chauvinist shareholders, they simply did not want such cars, the first after the revolutionary patriarch tsihom, they are all officials and that church which was restored by stalin during the second world war, it was exactly such a church that you were prepetre alekseevich, and now you will be at the expense of ego . and those who do not conform to this axiom that we are bureaucrats in machines and that everything should be

like this with us cannot get rid of it as in a state institution, what is the most important thing, that we meet, that we resolve budget issues, that we have a state in a state, why did it close, uh, it changed, but you noticed that it bloomed now, it did not bloom, it became a different form, because for kirill, he a disciple of the late metropolitan kozin, the people of kalini and metropolitan nikol always believed that catholics have the same thing, that the russian church should not be like constantinople and not vytikan. he died in the hands of the pope. i am sure that paul the first patriarch kirill was a favorite student, that is, they also see the state machine as excluded from the state machine . no this is how the pope appears in front of people, not sermons, not these endless trips

, not all of these, what the late venedikt wrote when he was cardinal ratsanger in the 16th, not all this work and and ivan paul ii or francis a new one, in addition to keeping the congregation, it is a titanic job, but what do you not see in the vatican, the ministry, banks, newspapers, radio , state to state, and they also want to be such a state, because for kirill, nothing is more valuable than the vatican, which is not even a catholic church, but so you created such a thing for me and mussolini for him does not exist and for me this is why churches have never looked like that and i always asked what the ukrainian state would be like or could it become a different one at all if it had such a church because if we look at all the churches that hold these orthodox churches from moscow. we will immediately see

this inclination to bureaucratic work where there is none. the church immediately begins to behave differently. this is not a question of orthodoxy. do you understand this is a question of synodality when you are not just serving the authorities. any and you still want to be part of the government, here is patriarch kirill sitting on the expanded collegium of the ministry of defense of the russian federation well, if he does not change his clothes, he will look like an ordinary russian official of middle rank, well, of course, there are many reasons if he then let's not forget one more thing, i'm moral, absolutely all these people about whom patriarch kirill, metropolitan pavlo tells us, all these members of the holy synod who get into this car, they are basically monks, that is, they should not have property, in principle , why does a person go to critical a way of life

should still be a certain way of life, which is not theirs, they don't have it, they want it, in principle, if you want to have a car, an apartment , a boyfriend's wife, they have many different desires, you don't go to a monastery, you live for yourself, you create capital, and you make friends, you make lovers i don’t know what you want, you do it this is your sacred right if you want to be a monk at the same time , that is, a person who preaches asceticism has no property, does not engage in intimate life, lives according to the commandments and is an example for his believers well , then why are you in all these cars on pillows well, you see, it's all very strange and that's why for me we are a russian church we were very surprised and what was happening with the ukrainian church also

surprised me and i noticed that as soon as people appeared who wanted differently somehow it should be conducted as let's say metropolitan volodymyr of another time wrote a great obituary about metropolitan volodymyr because i think that this man who did a lot of work on himself by the way filaret these are people, people of the soviet side, but they understood something in the 90s, not even about the independent church independent and about exactly this dependence on property from sea desires, you saw how filaret just walks, well, at least i didn't notice anything else, i didn't see cars. let's say this is a person who drove cars in soviet times but she understood that if she wants to remain a real priest, they are soviet times, she has to pay, otherwise , metropolitan volodymyr was isolated, he was mocked by deputies from the party of regions, his own colleagues, all these pasha mercedes, when he was sick, a poor man. they did everything

to practically isolate him, but what it was also interesting that while the patriarch was oleksii ii, he was a type of person like metropolitan volodymyr there, a man of old traditions, despite all his connections with lubyanka and the like then they did not touch this unfortunate metal and volodymyr, at least from the point of view of his management of the church, as soon as cyril became the patriarch, then there was an attempt to annex the ukrainian church, he already started coming here pretending that he is in charge here, the first thing he did was put the ukrainian flag behind his throne i don’t know now whether he removed it there or not, but it’s interesting. it seems to me that it’s no longer there, well, that is, it was all like that, and that’s why i don’t understand why i didn’t understand why a huge part of our compatriots with you are not aware of the historical the meaning of the tomos well, it cannot be an independent

state with a foreign church in the center, by the way, this shows the example of montenegro, montenegro declared its independence, montenegro had its own church, which the serbs absolutely logically joined their mini-imperial gods there to the serbian church, the montenegrin church lost its state and to the president miodukan with four associates managed to restore the country's independence, but nothing could be done with the church, the montenegrin church is small, non -canonical, and in principle, who led this crusade against supporters montenegrin independence serbian metropolitan amphilochia before his death and he basically won, he slowed down the process of creating in montenegro not just an independent

state, but its political nation, that is, the church turned out to be an instrument so that this political nation did not exist and could not rise , and now there is a fierce struggle, no one does not know how it ends. now let's look next to montenegro at north macedonia in macedonia, the then leader of yugoslavia marshals , he wanted macedonia to be a separate republic, macedonians to be a separate nation no like serbia, like the bulgarians, and he basically forced the macedonian priests to declare autocephaly, they didn't really want it , many people know, and they didn't want to take the serbian heart of the church here, but this is a communist leader, so i want it to be its own, so i want there to be none left in macedonia of the serbian parish, no macedonian autocephalous church has been recognized for 50 years. this one was recognized last year

. problems with identification, as it does not sound strange, which exist today in chornomorka and which many ukrainians have in macedonian have a clear understanding why he is macedonian, he comes to his church on holidays, there are services in the macedonian language. this church, god is pleased, is a reduced copy of st. sophia. so who and which is constantinople and how i am in kyiv is actually st. sophia of kyiv, which is also a replica by and large, these go on, you look at it with the macedonian as he says, you are bulgarian, you are sick, you did not understand at all who did you see, what church and your priest speaks your language to me, i tell you this language does not exist so that you don't have

the right culture, in fact, it was just bulgaria, they say from themselves no, southern serbia but you see the church, you see this priest and you have no doubts, and they could have existed if this church had not rebelled macedonia could dissolve already in the 90s among the neighboring states, half of macedonia said no, we are serbs, half said we are bulgarians. before that, everything ended as it was with us, and i generally always believed that the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate is a guarantee that ukraine will remain a russian measure, i will tell you more. ukraine can win the war, but if the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate is in a canonical relationship with patriarch kirill or whoever will be after kirill, it will remain the largest orthodox denomination in our country, ukraine will still remain in the east and not in the the west does not even have doubts, that is, 3-5 years will pass, the wounds will heal and ukraine will turn

its face to the east again, and nothing else will happen. look, mr. vitaly, i don’t understand two things, the first is one thing, when we had kyiv the patriarchate and the ukrainian orthodox church , according to the kyiv patriarchate, all these insinuations about schismatics, apostates, and so on, so the second thing, when actually all these issues have been resolved, agreed upon, and the truly autocephalous orthodox church of ukraine has appeared, is the ecumenical patriarchate of rivne among equals . if i am not mistaken, it is very important that they love but the grace is there alone and also so unconditionally, but it’s just that what stops such a large part of ukrainians from transitioning, that is, the question of canonicity or non- canonicity there are already many who i justified all this, why is the transition so

slow in our country, there are only about a thousand cases when parishes are transferred to the ptu in all four years, it is not many, as a politician can answer as a journalist, as a politician, i will tell you that because people do not understand that they are used to this church for his father , and the father is connected with other priests of the moscow church so that he acts on his own basis, that people do not understand, they do not understand why one church is better, and which other is worse, or have they been used to going there for centuries, that is habit, i'll tell you that, politics, politics need to be re-elected, i don't need to, i'll tell you the truth, the truth is that these people have such an identity that they lied when they said that they did not go to the kyiv patriarchate because there is no

grace for them in this church grace, as well as to all other believers of the moscow church, because this is repeated again and again by the official organization to spit from the bell tower of the annunciation cathedral of the moscow kremlin , where you could see vladimir vladimirovich putin himself yesterday more no one could be seen, because in principle there was no one there, only online. well, obviously, yes, well, who was there, once, he used to come in any way, maybe it’s underground . by the way, the approach to the annunciation cathedral and i think about it all the time, how does he get here on the street ? i have seen mikhail gorbachev and boris yeltsin in the kremlin many times on the street. i have never seen putin. i think that somewhere underground he walks like a mole, but it is like a bunker of his own and somehow on his brain. that is, the whole of russia can enter this cathedral. the underground course was already supposed to be dug by people like

there were already paranoid people like ivan the terrible , they don't forget everything underground should be there, but that's not what it's about, they were them and where, from the point of view of their identity, part of this very world of the russian world is their church. they do appearance and now they are simply forced to make this appearance because of the war that they have some other considerations in fact they all from the priest to the last believer who wants to be there just want to sit through this time it is not a question grace is a question they are sure they know whose this church is, because it can adopt any statutes. it can be something to write about, but economically, i absolutely agree with mykola, canonically, it is connected with the moscow patriarchate, well, everything is very simple, but

the territory of ukraine is the canonical territory of the ecumenical patriarch, what can a person do who is aware of this, accept it, go on her own or from the community to the church, who has a tomos from the ecumenical patriarch, if a person begins to speak no, this is not the canonical territory of the ecumenical patriarchate, this is the territory of the moscow patriarchate, canonical then she you are already lying because if you ask, you are from the moscow patriarchate, you are from the carp. well, the ecumenical patriarch is your enemy, you say that . they still say that, who is this istanbul iraq? they say that. whose canonical territory is this? please tell me, this is the first question that they all need to ask . to ask onuphria to those who walk where whose draw she can

not be yours right away well, that means if you think that this is the canonical territory of the moscow patriarchate you should say so it is not true but then you should take the next step you should turn to they wrote a letter to the patriarch of moscow with a demand for autocephaly, as the old believer church in russia of ukraine did. i will not say now what is going on in their hearts, but they legally wrote a letter to the metropolitan of moscow of old believers and to that metropolitan of belokrynytsia, which in romania , in braille to both of them letter and with simple words that listen, we have lost contact with moscow, we have already lost everything, please give us autocephaly or subordinate the metropolitan who is in romania to that that our connection with the moscow old believer church was interrupted by all the children. not your canonical territory . they just did it. they didn't do it. if

they did it, of course, the patriarch of the oxen never agreed with it, but then they had nowhere to go to the ecumenical patriarch whom they lay again, the circle closes for them, which means that everything they do is actually a game because what i am telling you they also know all this much better to listen to all these people . others, they all studied in the seminar, in the seminars , all this is taught by canon law, and it seems that some grandmother in the village may not be aware of this, but they are aware, so they all know which church they belong to . the fact is different and it is also absolutely obvious how much they can play with it and how much our society will accept it, because i repeat

all these transitions again, all these readiness to join the psu do not come from one simple the reasons that all these people and all those people they support simply want ukraine to remain in the civilization that is native to them in this civilization and the western civilization with which they identify the reasons that i understand. longs, you can talk about the metropolitans of the chernivtsi district that the ukrainian state started a struggle with the church. he voted for our patriarch kirill , you know. by the pope of hawaii he is a public figure

because the orthodox patriarch cannot talk to the antichrist that's all i am, my god, the logic in all this development is a ukrainian if you imagine that the russian patriarch takes some step, the ukrainians are simply diplomatic, which speaks of his certain civilization, then these people immediately and they say that you are not like all of them, that is, there are no such things, that is, that is the way our catholic brothers used to be, all these things are not for us. and when these people tell that the ukrainian state longwin says this hero of ukraine, by the way, yes, what has declared war on the church, figure it out first, first remove the anathema from kirill, grandfather, well, this is something absolutely absurd, that we are

this person who simply did not put me on himself, i don’t know what the metropolitan robe enters with christ, no one expelled him from there, that is what he says, that is, it turns out that when patriarch kirill meets the pope, you can subject him to anathema and you will be fine, but when patriarch kirill he blesses the war 10 times a month, he says, "congratulate our army." here's an icon for you: you've killed more people, it's not all that clear . maybe somehow this is an event. if you didn't like the meeting with the pope so much, because you do n't like it either. that's it. you understand this is complete and utter cynicism, and they really like

to talk. what does it mean for the jesuits, who are 200 experienced politicians there things, this negative assessment of the order came to us with the russian language. they always said, oh, the jesuit is some kind of cunning and insidious, so it was perceived, but the most important thing is that they act like those caricature jesuits, whose jesuit propaganda they invented. so what's in this in the plan, we must clearly say that this is really the first step, that if the uoc mp does not unite in a special way into a single ukrainian church and if it remains as it is, a civilizational defeat will be as it will be waiting for us in 5 years after the end of hostilities.

there will be elections, there will be a party of peace and progress , it is necessary somehow, you understand, relations with neighbors are being improved yes, these were crimes, but it is necessary and economically very important. we are interested . всей нет надо новыете, speaking in russian is not so easy to switch to ukrainian надо что пролось время надо and here are all the people as we can see and their younger comrades, the new metropolitans, they will say all this to the traps in the churches, all these people will vote for this party of peace and progress oh, this will win the elections. we can even be members of the european union, we

will behave like hungary in this european union, so everyone will say, lord, the ukrainian people were so brave, but it turns out that they are absolutely reactionary, look, they are lobbying the interests of moscow , look through them all russian propaganda is going to european countries. we want to be such a country, a country at which 5 years after its heroic struggle with the russians, the occupiers will be pointed at if someone thinks that this is absolutely not related with the role of the church, he saw it, all this is being re- educated, i don't even think that this process can be stopped, but i really think that it is very important when professional work begins at the level of government. i am really glad that viktor yelenskyi became the head of the state structure that deals with regulation viktor yelensky was my e-e

director of kyiv international freedom that i have been working for many years and i have to tell you that he is a sensitive person, professional and highly competent precisely in these matters, but he is a kind of collecting person, as we finally started contacting to the professionals when the question becomes very hot and finally an answer is necessary, everyone has to go through this for any people who create a leadership for themselves from ordinary people who do not want to learn to seize everything at once, then when they are really established in power, something has to be changed. stalin had to shoot all his former comrades-in-arms of veterans of the civil war, i do not justify these repressions, but the question is that all these people

were, how do you say, with a three-class education, as a rule, most of those who followed stalin, because at first stalin killed the educated people, he remained with this whole hop company. and when it turned out that it was necessary to build factories, it was necessary to manage the army , it was necessary, it was necessary, well, he decided that he would not shoot everyone, and then people appeared with some real soviet education, but who they began to manage factories, factories , collective farms, they were not very good . it seems to me that perfumery was appointed as the minister of foreign affairs by whom was ribbentrop , he is already a neplomat to him in a small gene for roma , most of the people next to hitler do not understand anything, he appointed to lead the aviation

a person who knew how to fly, but as a result, when needed, the head of the ministry of aviation turned out to be a professional and it turned out that from this head of the ministry of aviation of the future rex marshall milha father, i apologize to the jews, can you imagine in the nazi reich, there were such cases rarely, but firmly, but they need there were airplanes for all these people who were ready to kill of all the jews who saw the burning of 6 million people, they needed airplanes and they forced the mother of this unfortunate place to come to berlin and write that she gave birth to him because her husband was betrayed by some baron whom they never saw the very necessary planes, you understand, for the sake of professionalism

, even hitler, according to them, can take such steps that you do not expect from them, and here, too . the country of hitler's germany that zelensky was elected by the people and did not seize power like the bolsheviks or usurped it like hitler that zelensky is thinking about the next elections and not a dictatorship well, i hope for her and in this situation to win the elections, to stay in power, to change the state is possible only if you get rid of to his entourage all non-professionals all away away away and i invite from professionals this cleansing of power from non-professionals will happen sooner or later the president of the country of the first person can afford

the luxury of not being a professional because he is elected by the people in him by the popular method and in poor countries this happens very often in libera football players as a committee elected the president, nothing happened to you, but it is very important who surrounds a person who has a popular mandate, if he certainly does not want to die along with his own population, that is the same also a question . you can, in principle, be like no one. hitler clung to these scoundrels until the end , he brought germany to collapse, but he was on the dark side of history, and zelensky is in the light, you understand when for us the bright side is you you understand exactly what the recipe should be, and that is why i say the appearance of such people as yalinsky in such responsible positions, where the future development of this country is determined, this is a great honest achievement, because i

will repeat it again, it seems to you that this is some kind of small position, some kind of ethnopolitics, something , something there is a service, and then it turns out that a whole large professional orthodox denomination tells lies about you, as president you defended the country, supported and helped develop relations with the west, were the head of the armed forces, and the peace party says that you were from the war party. well, we had already passed all the tricks during the previous elections, but then there was no big war. now we are taking risks, we repeat, we are taking risks with the very future states after the war . the purification of

society is a direct path to this church, which will be a ukrainian church. by the way, i want to say that well, you understand very well every time between this in the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate and among the priests among believers there are many honest people who simply understand how to get out of this situation. and i don’t understand why they don’t understand. they have a ptsu and it was time to remove the question of canonicity. why can’t they just move on? to be mired in your own religious views is difficult if you are inside the system, you know this very well in any team , even in our team, we perceive more let's put it this way, problems with