the problem lies precisely in the fact that these resources are sold too cheaply, but they actually have no alternative, that is, they are now shifting their energy exports to asia and to china in the first place, and the chinese in the short term can dictate their own terms regarding easy purchases. and this plus the export of goods, yes just because this economic identification of economic cooperation will eventually turn into political independence and russia will fall let's say geopolitically it will become a vassal but a satellite of the people's republic, did i understand correctly that if in relations there is gas from europe for russia, it is a weapon, then in relations with china, gas is politics, so it is clear, now let's talk a little about taiwan, a very important topic for us, the taiwan factor in ukrainian in chinese relations , what advantages do you see and cons in this, what do we need to strive for, why do we need to be

careful, that is, explain to me, in particular, and to our viewers, ah, where is one important thing in these relationships, which i, which i frankly admit, i don’t quite understand, that is, we want china's support we are saying that china, beijing, the official leadership of the celestial empire should have some kind of active position about the ukrainian position in what is happening now, that is, to take a more active stance against the russian war in ukraine, and we do not recognize china, but we are very taiwan, but we are very we support taiwan, please explain to me why so, and what are the pros and cons of these ukrainian-chinese mutual agreements. well, the statute does not have any obstacles to support economic , trade and economic relations, it does a lot of countries in the world are the same, the same china. i mean the people's republic of china, but it is important for us that this cooperation does not turn into a more significant

political choice, that is, when communication takes place at the level of parliamentarians, this is what is absolutely acceptable, this is what is not destabilizes our relations with beijing, but if, for example, a ukrainian delegation, which includes ministers, visits taiwan, it may already receive a negative response from the outside, but why is it happening, uh, some activists who consider the position of china it is unacceptable that they regard this position as unquestionably the support of the russian federation. they regard china as a destructive partner that does not bring any benefit or any positive for ukraine, and that is why they are calling, let's say, to refocus on taiwan, but the expediency of this should be calculated in my opinion. is not exactly a constructive position for ukraine, relations with taiwan definitely can and

should be supported taiwanese strong economy is a powerful investor who can help us in our post-war reconstruction of our country but again, this communication from taiwan should be limited exclusively to economic and trade ties. and do we have enough communication at the state level and calmly ? in principle, the problem with asian states as a whole is that our informational and diplomatic presence was not enough, and that is why we have a negative result. as a result of this, we see a lack of international support from the russian states of our country is meant in the russian-ukrainian war, it must be corrected. do you think there is potential to correct this, of course, but the problem is that the initiative must come from ukraine. and we must understand that china views the

russian-ukrainian war through the prism of its own confrontation and the west and our own national interests, this is the first thing, and secondly, our excessive prioritization of the western vector of foreign policy actually led us to this, and in china and other asian countries we are not considered as full-fledged subject of international relations, we are considered as a de facto vassal state of the west and de facto a vassal of the united states of america, that is, we are considered a political state whose political leadership lacks the will to build and implement its own independent foreign policy and its own national interests again the reason for this was insufficient informational and diplomatic presence on this very asian track, therefore the initiative to increase one's own authority in asian countries should go away of course, it is from ukraine, but the potential for this is huge, and it will come,

and somehow these will mutually develop. well, let's see how they can. now let's move on to chinese-american relations, because there is a lot of talk about them again, because, well, in recent months, i it seems that washington, in my subjective opinion, is provoking the heavenly father by sending delegations from here to taiwan. of course, beijing reacts to this, reacting negatively , sometimes even aggressively. i have to i mean the exercises that take place in the south china sea and the planes that constantly fly there and fly into taiwan's airspace, so how can sino-american relations develop in the future and how can they affect the situation in the region in particular? well, in general, in the world in general well, how can it affect ukraine after all, because no matter what you do, but it all affects ukraine, well,

it can be said that there are many scenarios according to which sino-american relations will develop, and you can determine which one exactly they will most likely be difficult and premature for the time being, sino-american relations in the short term will maintain the same trend that we saw last year. that is, it is a gradual increase in confrontation, a gradual increase in tension to the point of war, no one is ready for a war, no one is ready, especially china, so talk about that i.e. to determine what exactly the trigger is, what exactly will be the trigger for the further development of the chinese-american relations, so far premature improvement may be a improvement well, of course, this could be one of the possible scenarios. moreover, china currently has a new minister of foreign affairs who specializes in americanism. that is why it was such a positive signal that

china is ready to improve relations between the united states and china. by the states of america, but well, most likely, the tendency towards a gradual increase in the value of the gradual increase in tension will remain. well, this is a pity, ms. alina. thank you for participating in today's program, but my last question will not be about china, and this is a question that we asked the viewers who watch us on youtube. how would you answer why europe was the last to help so actively? i don't know. so, actively helping ukraine in the last week. we asked the viewers, they gave the following answers: confidence in the victory of ukraine, fear for your own future, your option is how would you answer this question? and i would choose the first option, after all, the certainty of the victory of ukraine, we are all sure of it ms. alina, thank you very much, alina hrytsenko, we talked with her about china, our relations with by heaven, the chief consultant of the national institute for strategic

studies well, before we start the second part of our conversation, there is a guest on the line and i want to remind you that you can watch us not only on tv a and on the internet, in particular on youtube and on youtube now well, quite a lot of people are watching us, and we asked you a question on youtube, why did europe start actively helping ukraine? the three answers that ms. alina already said are confident in the victory of ukraine. 45% of those who voted fear for their own future. 48%. and yours too option 7%, your option can be seen only after our broadcast ends. well, in total, 400 people have already voted. 441 people have voted . thank you for watching and thank you for voting yes. now let's

move on to another topic and help me with questions that turned out to be problematic for me. find out oleksandr khara, expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategies, mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you and thank you for joining. good afternoon, mr. yuri, mr. oleksandr. please answer this question for me personally. the transformation of europe, maybe not the whole of europe , because the baltic countries have constantly expressed their support for us not only in words but also in deeds, but the transformation of some european countries, which began during the last week to actively give us e-weapons. how can you comment on this? well, you know, i'll start with the fact that there is such a guy on the network, your russophobia is not enough, and it seems to me that despite the fact that we are certainly grateful for the help, first of all , to the united states for such a large package with the help, of course, about such a historic

decision again, the same germans, french this is certainly not enough for us to be able to liberate the ukrainian territory quickly with minimal losses, and that is why there is a dilemma to thank and say. give me more. actually, it seems to me that there are several points here, and i always focus on consciousness, because it is the most inert such component . and of course the fact that the germans went to the fact that the same mardyrs decided to hand them over to us. and this myth continued for several months when they said that they didn't seem to have them, then they promised them to someone and the other thing but the most important thing is definitely that inside the native reds that are primarily germans, but also other europeans have outlined and they think that if they cross this line , then russia will press the red button or something. from ukraine, and we see that

every time it happens that the russians are not able to do anything, well, of course, we will put the nuclear issue in a separate file and close the file. but if we talk about escalation in general, what can they do more than target moderate cities with their own ballistic and cruise missiles, we have already seen hundreds of them, they can do it, but of course they have a limited recovery resource, the most important thing is that they are so outdated that it needs time to program these missiles, so there can be no escalation on the ground. well, we see that they have been heroically taking bakhmut for several months there , i don’t know, one house at a time and are actually trampling on the spot losing great strength , that is, they cannot climb towards the west . for ukraine and for our sake, those who

support us the most, they understand this, so it seems to me that this is primarily the overcoming of internal limitations in the heads of strategists , advisors, and above all the chancellor of germany, and that advisor. we will give weapons to ukraine. and what kind of relations will we have with the russian federation after the war? he is this person who still advises . the ability of the ukrainian armed forces on the system was mistaken then that ukraine will be capable as a state because of course this war is a state, it is a society, it is the economy, not only the defense forces, the defense, it became clear that it is possible and we are taking , liberating territories and we have more let's say the rivet works better even with a smaller number of people and weapons, uh, they have overcome some of them, but still there are limitations, the main thing now will be from monocytanka, and there are very

encouraging signals from poland and other countries, uh, that if there will be such a general the european coalition, then germany, well , again, the last outpost of germany will collapse, fall, and they will begin to supply us with the tanks that we need in order to liberate our territory, well, in fact, i think the most important thing is the belief in the victory of ukraine. yes, cross this line. well, there is probably a third point, and you are also more connected with acceptance, which means the hope that in the end putin will understand that it is impossible to take ukraine off the hook like that and they need to sit down at the negotiating table. but every time we are deceived, we know that for the russians, diplomacy is only a deception, such a disguise, and in order to press forward with weapons, here we see that the same macron already says, well, i thought that and hoped that as de

golf and putin will decide that well, come on ukraine will be free there, which means that algeria will not encroach on it, because too many resources have been spent and it cannot be returned to this gorge, and in the case of russia, ukraine. in the end, even macron understood that it is necessary to help ukraine and not to push ukraine to some kind of diplomatic negotiations, of course , this is also a factor in russia's ability to realize that it is impossible to take us by force and something needs to be done to fix it, although the last such virus is it is in the minds of europeans and americans that every war ends with negotiations. this is absolutely nonsense. neither the first nor the second world war, as you remember, did not end with negotiations, if you can consider the signing of the surrender as negotiations, but it was without

заборовечная выходняя what was it called therefore, we need to destroy this myth and we need to go further eh. it seems to me that this formula announced by kuleba that there is no longer a taboo on the provision of weapons, it still actually works, so crazy progress was made, but you still have to act. therefore, we need to work primarily with european societies so that they put pressure on their own governments, so that they understand that the excluded victory of ukraine is acceptable for ukraine, for europe, and actually for their own, well , for the russians themselves, so to speak, the final final the purpose of such a force is the purpose of this war, alexander, you already mentioned it. i was going to ask this question a little later, but you mentioned the negotiation table. some politicians in europe recently often say that all wars end as you said at the negotiation table this should also end at the negotiating table. therefore, i will ask this question now. ot jenstoutenberg, for example, speaking in oslo last week at

a conference, he said that we are giving weapons to ukraine so that it can defeat russia, and again, as a mantra, he said this, but all wars usually end at the negotiating table, and this one will end. please tell me what kind of victories they really wish for us in brussels . final victories on the field are frightening. victories at the negotiating table. well, again, this is a european tradition. she is in principle well, we understand, we did not choose her and we have absolutely no choice about ending her we clearly understand that this war is not the last war, yes. if we are now, when ukrainian society is united, let's say

that our defense forces are so powerful. to end the suffering of ukrainians is definitely a false peace. and that is precisely why i believe that the correct formula is that the country needs victory, not peace, because peace will simply be a pause when, once again, moscow will gather forces in order to finally decide i don't think there is a ukrainian question. well , in ukraine, in central eastern europe, no one has any doubts about the nature of russian statehood and the fact that they will lean in this direction until ukraine, belarus , moldova, and georgia become nato members of the european community . they will be protected first of all by the nuclear umbrella of nato . well, that's why we actually talk about such a peace when ukraine is not only secured , then of course there will be negotiations in the end, but they will be negotiations in fact, about the coexistence on the continent of the

democratic countries of the free world and the russian federation. i do not believe that it is capable of being democratic and fled to the borders of which it is a hundred people, and people, you know , it’s even difficult to say a bunch of hermits, but there were some people there, in principle, the people were everything after all, there must be some common features and characteristics, and they do not have such by and large , and they are sick of imperialism, they are sick of leadership , they are sick of missionary work. definitely ukrainian victory and also as part of a collective event, then i believe in such negotiations already after the victory and i believe in such, let's say, documents that can be signed about the model of co- fission in the winter let's say some kind of interactivity between the parties, but not, hmm, as an agreement between ukraine and russia, it means

peace and cooperation, we had all this, russia violated not only ukrainian bilateral documents, i am not saying the so-called budapest memorandum was a big treaty, russia violated the un charter and norms, principles of international law, if she violated it, then how can we expect that she will follow her signature on other pieces of paper , it was less, let's say, of a lower level, of course, mr. oleksandr, look at one more question in poland, at least yesterday there was information that the ministry of foreign affairs the polish-lithuanian commonwealth said that they do not want to destroy russia, but they want to weaken russia, but in your expert opinion, could a weakened russia be even worse for us than the worst option, maybe this is better take it and break it. well, after that, you need it in pieces. well, it will

eventually cease to be russia, and this is the best option, because russia will be weakened. russia, you know, is like a wolf whose paw has been cut off and which will become even more aggressive. well, you know, there is there are white people here. because we don't know what to say. what will we face when russia is falling apart? that it will fall apart. i have no doubts. there are no doubts because in fact putinomics has exhausted itself. the economy based on energy carriers has exhausted itself. because we see that in fact those the most prosperous countries have abandoned the russian ones and in russia, china is switching to green energy, in addition to this, it is worth keeping, well, i am not saying that such an aggressive foreign policy will actually lead to the collapse of the russian federation . but there is another side, and let's remember cutlet in kyiv, when george bush , speaking in the ukrainian parliament, tried to stop the inevitable ukrainian

independence, because there was certainly a fear that unknown ukrainians would have nuclear weapons and, in principle, other weapons, let's let's remember that we had a lot of weapons after the withdrawal of the contingents, primarily from germany, we had a large number of tanks and other weapons, but actually they didn't want it because they didn't know what would happen if the ukrainians were like that, that's actually why they called not to go on the path of independence, although of course , that ukraine, which became independent and ceased to be part of the evil empire, this meant the first - fewer winged ballistic missiles aimed at the free world and, above all , the united states, less of a threat, let's say so of another order, i have a view of chemical , biological, bacteriological weapons, e-mines, as of course, there are all living forces that could be used to fight as nato allies, of course, that this

meant less taxpayer money for all kinds of weapons systems in the united states and maintaining european security that's why it was an unconditional positive, but here they are, after all, there is some uncertainty, i am from modern russia. well, there is no one in washington or there in berlin or in london who wants russia to fall apart. on the contrary, they would like to have it . expected to be stable, well, let it be a little aggressive sometimes, but to be able to deal with what the poles say and what we say. and this is a realistic scenario. this is the gradation of the offensive potential of the russian federation for several decades . and we destroy their equipment. this is the first and the second definitely. these are sanctions and export e.e. export controls that do not give the opportunity to replenish there with chips and other technologies . and that is exactly why russia will have to restore its potential for 10-15 years and it will the potential of peace, the potential of the opportunity to influence

russia in soft ways so that somehow the government there changes, whether they come to power, let's say soft or liberal , well, this is also an oxymoron, and the russians are liberal. to be honest, we also saw it, that's what i think that this is a realistic scenario, of course we would like a final victory. but will we have such support and what will we be able to do, because their 140 million is getting much smaller and we have to count each and every ukrainian life, well, it remains open for now to the question, oleksandr, can we now talk about the opening of confrontation between russia and the west, well, with nato, this is going on now, which is constantly being talked about in russia, no, absolutely no , you know, tension, like is the third world war going on, well, you know all these russian pseudo-historians they wrote that there was a third cold war in the world, or vice versa. now this third situation is a distraction. well, in fact,

the conflict is only if we look at the resolution of 33-14-74 of the general assembly of the legion, which defines aggression in our law. about the defense of 1992, the same is true. there is no provision of weapons, is there training of the military as participation in a military conflict, absolutely not. and that is exactly why this strategy of the event is primarily formulated in washington, that we support ukraine because it has the right according to the un charter, article 51 the right to self-defense. we support ukraine in this unjust war chosen by the russian federation. states or nato as an organization, and by the way, if you look at how the organization does not help us in this war, it is the nato member countries that help us and that is why it is a fundamental thing. this is what the russians want to show, because of course how they can self-defeat sell

what some are there the non-existent ukrainians of the non-existent state eh means in 317 or how many 18 days they destroyed what was capable and they simply cannot advance in the bahmut i am not talking about the fact that they made gestures of goodwill there sped kyiv region with eh means from the same kherson is there a snake island? well, it is allowed, they need to show that the whole world, the whole west , with its power, er, economic military, is at war with the russian federation, which is precisely why they cannot do anything, and the second point is an attempt to put pressure on the west, let's say mentally that er we want to avoid the third world war with a nuclear end, that's exactly why stop supporting ukraine, we'll deal with it ourselves. to talk to you about strategic security there about er about the agreement about strategic-strategic

offensive weapons become the starting point, in fact, this is definitely why such theses are put forward in moscow, they are alienated, they have no basis. the russians think that even well, i have this is primarily the leadership, and no matter how much it believes in conspiracy theories, they absolutely understand that it will be suicide for them to start conflicts with nato countries now, they will be destroyed if ukraine with a dozen hi-mars and some kind of equipment there more or less armored, but not tanks, can do with the russians what we can imagine if, for example, finland is also sofisama, where are these farming hundreds, and which is ready for a p-like war, what can it do one day, i am not saying as part of nato therefore, i understood everything, mr. oleksandr. well , the last question for you, but there is not enough time, literally one and a half minutes for an answer . our first program will be released in 2023. to you, as an

expert , this year is the 23rd. not encouraging, that is, but there is only a minute of time for an answer. well, the call will be difficult, extraordinary, and no one can say when the victory of ukraine will happen somewhere and we will take a step towards it, because we do not know the strength of the russian economy and the russian military, that is why that's how we hit. they are fleeing, but so far there has been a collapse in the occupied territories. it is possible . well, maybe tomorrow there will be another strike like the punks and the morale of the russian military occupiers, it will collapse and they they will run like it was in the 17th year. yes, you remember how they ran from the fronts in the first world war and then actually collapsed the empire, so i hope that it will happen. but the most important thing is that we have great chances for now,

despite the fact that there kevin mccartney was elected as the speaker of the house of representatives under certain conditions that may prevent ukraine from being given such a perspective. for now, the biden administration is currently in control of the senate, and this assistance will be provided to us. i do not see any fluctuations in european capitals, on the contrary, these are positive the last ones there with the marauders with these french tanks, well, let’s take what we see that there is and will be support, and therefore we have a great chance with the power of the ukrainian spirit of the entire ukrainian society, and most importantly , the unconditional power of the baron to finish off this bastard and actually end this war in 23- this year, that is, there is such a potential. i hope that it will be realized, that is, it will be victorious for us, there is absolutely no question here, because nothing else can be arranged with us, and as they said there since ancient times, but often in

to russian propaganda, since the truth is behind us, well, we will win. thank you, we will definitely win. it was oleksandr khara , an expert on hm. i apologize, an expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategies. well, the first program is coming to an end in 2023. it seems to me she appeared, she was beautiful , i got questions on that answer to the questions i wanted to get, now all i have to do is sum up the results of the voting, so wow 667 votes are a very good start to the 23rd year, 668 votes should have been inserted you have the following question: why did europe actively help ukraine? answer options : 47% of those who watched and voted are confident in the victory of ukraine. and fear for their own future, 40 also believe that 47%.

well, your option is six percent. your option will be visible only after the program is finished, when it will be in the archive on youtube . that we really want you to put likes or dislikes, although obviously, of course, likes under this program so that you write your comments, because it is very important for us to know what you think. well, time is running out, i have to finish my name is yuri fizer until next year, but now all i have to do is pass the word to my colleague serhiy rudenko with his program verdict i congratulate serhiy i continue congratulate yura letter