the state, because of course this war is the state, this is society, this is the economy, not only the defense forces are defending, but we made sure that it is possible and we are taking, liberating territories, and we have more, let's say, the rivet works better even with a smaller, smaller number of people and weapons. there are certain, but still there are limitations, limitations now the main thing is definitely these are tanks and there are very encouraging signals from poland and from other countries that if there is such a general european coalition, then germany will be the last outpost again germany will collapse and fall and they will start supplying us with the tanks we need in order to liberate our territory. actually , i think the most important thing is the belief in the victory of ukraine. it just increases these hesitations. is there any point in crossing this line? you are also connected to the majority with acceptance. and this means

the hope that in the end putin will understand that ukraine cannot be taken off the hook like that and we need to sit down at the negotiating table. but every time we are wrong, we know that for the russians diplomacy, it is only a deception, such a disguise, and in order to press forward with weapons, here we see that the same macron is already saying, well, i thought that and hoped that as de golf and putin will decide that well, let ukraine be there, so what is free algeria means we will not encroach on it because too much resources have been spent and it cannot be returned to this gorge, and in the case of russia, ukraine. but putin in this sense is not, let's say, such a rational actor, and that's why. well, in the end, even macron understood that ukraine should and should not be helped to push ukraine to some kind of diplomatic negotiations, of course this is also a factor, but russia's ability to realize that it is not possible by force and something needs to be fixed at the table for

repairs, although the last such virus is in the minds of europeans and americans that every the war ends with negotiations, this is absolutely nonsense. neither the first world war nor the second world war, as you remember, we ended with negotiations, if you can consider the signing of the surrender as negotiations, but it was without conspiracies, final what was it called that's why we need to destroy this myth and we need to move on. it seems to me that this formula announced by kuleba that there is no longer a taboo on the provision of weapons, it still works in fact, so crazy progress was made, but you still have to take action. therefore, we need to work primarily with european societies so that they put pressure on their own governments, so that they understand that only the victory of ukraine is acceptable for ukraine, for europe, and actually for their own, well , for the russians themselves, and the ultimate ultimate goal

for such forces, the goal of this war, oleksandr ot you already mentioned i was going to ask this question a little later but you mentioned the negotiating table some politicians in europe recently often say that all wars end as you said at the negotiating table it and should also end at the negotiating table so i will ask this question now jenstoutenberg, for example, speaking at a conference in oslo last week, said that we are giving weapons to ukraine so that it can defeat russia, and again, he said this as a joke, but all wars usually end at the negotiating table, this one will end. it was not elected and we have absolutely no choice about ending it. i mean simply

surrender there or agree to some concessions there, give up part of our territory, because we clearly understand that this war is not the last war, yes. if we are now, when ukrainian society is united, let's say so powerful. our defense forces are so strong. there is such international support. we have to finish off the enemy as much as possible, and here the question is, do you know the vision of peace in general? after this war, if it is just to stop the suffering of ukrainians, then it is definitely a false peace . and that is precisely why i believe that the correct formula is that we need victory in the country, not peace, because peace will simply be a pause when, again, moscow will gather forces to finally resolve the ukrainian issue, and it seems to me that there is no well in ukraine, in central eastern europe, no one has any doubts about the nature of russian statehood and that they will lean in this direction until ukraine, belarus

, moldova, and georgia become nato members of the european community, when they will be protected primarily by nato's nuclear umbrella well, that's why we actually, if we talk about such a peace when ukraine is secured not only ukraine, then of course there will be negotiations in the end, but they will actually be negotiations about coexistence on the continent democratic countries of the free world and the russian federation. i don't believe that it is capable of being democratic within the boundaries of which it is with that people, and the people, you know , it's even difficult to say a bunch of hermits, but there were some people there, in principle, the people still have to be some common features and characteristics, and they do not have such by and large , and they are sick of imperialism, they are sick of leading, sick of missionary work .

part of a collective event, then i believe in such negotiations already after the victory, and i believe in such, let's say, documents that can be signed about the model of joint ownership in the winter . that means there was peace and cooperation, we had all of this, russia violated not only ukrainian bilateral documents, i am not talking about the so-called budapest memorandum, the big treaty, russia violated the un charter and the norms and principles of international law, if it violated it, then how can we hope that she will follow some of her signature on other pieces of paper , it was less, let's say, of a lower level, of course, mr. oleksandr, look at one more question, in poland, at least yesterday, information appeared that the ministry of foreign affairs of the polish-lithuanian commonwealth said that they warsaw, at least, you do not

seek to destroy russia, but they want to weaken russia. in your expert opinion, could a weakened russia not be even worse for us than the worst option, it might be better to take it and break it up? well, after that, it we need this to pieces. well, it will eventually cease to be russia and this is the best option because russia will be weakened. you know it is like a wolf whose paw has been cut off and which will become even more aggressive. well, you know here there are here there are whites. let's say so, what will we face when russia will fall apart, that it will fall apart, i have no doubts , because in fact putinomics has exhausted itself there, the economy based on energy carriers since we see that in fact the most prosperous countries have abandoned of russians and in russia, and china is switching to

green energy, it does not really need additional russian gas , india will still buy a little oil there, but in general, russia will have to adjust and sell its energy carriers to smaller and more poor countries or developing countries and that's exactly why they won't have enough resources to support this entire territory of 140 million hearts, somehow keep it together, well, i'm not talking about conducting such an aggressive foreign policy, and that's exactly what it will lead to before the collapse of the federation. but there is another side, and let's remember the kyiv cutlet when josh bush, speaking in the ukrainian parliament, tried to stop the inevitable ukrainian independence, because there was certainly a fear that unknown ukrainians would have nuclear weapons and, in principle, other weapons, let's remember that we have a large number of them after the withdrawal of the contingents, first of all, they remove what is not. hmm, we

had a large number of weapons, there were tanks, other weapons . actually, they did not want this, because they did not know what would happen, who the ukrainians would be. that is precisely why they urged not to go the path of independence itself, although of course that ukraine , which became independent and ceased to be part of the evil empire, this meant the first thing - fewer winged ballistic missiles aimed at the free world and, above all , the united states, less of a threat, let's say of a different order, i have a chemical biological exhibition bacteriological weapons, well, of course, there is actually all the manpower that could be used in order to fight as allies of the panata, that is of course what this meant was less taxpayers' money for all kinds of weapons systems in the united states and the maintenance of european security. therefore, it was a silent positive, but they were afraid of some uncertainty, and i am from modern

russia. well, there is no one in washington or there in berlin or in london who wants russia to fall apart. on the contrary, they would like to have it is supposed to be stable so that, well, even let it be a little aggressive sometimes, but so that it is possible to deal with what the pavlaks say and what we say. and this is a realistic scenario. this is a degradation of the offensive potential of the russian federation for several dozen years and considering that we are killing them and destroying their equipment. this is the first and the second definitely. these are sanctions and expert exports that do not give the opportunity to replenish there with chips and other technologies. and that is why russia will have to restore its potential and it will be the potential for peace and the potential for the possibility of influencing russia in soft ways so that somehow the government there will change or come to power, let's say more soft or liberal, well, that's also true, an oxymoron liberal russians, to be honest, we

saw it too, and i think that this is a realistic scenario, we would definitely like a final victory. count each and every ukrainian life. this is still an open question, mr. oleksandr. we can now talk about opening a confrontation between russia and the west. well, with nato , this is what is constantly being talked about in russia. how is the third world war going? well, you know, all these russian pseudo-historians wrote that there was a cold war. there was a third world war, or vice versa. now this third session is a distraction. well, in fact, the conflict is only if we look at the resolution of 33-14-74. of the un general assembly, which defines aggression in our law on defense of 1992, the same thing. there is no provision of weapons, or

training of the military as participation in a military conflict , absolutely no. washington that we support ukraine because it has the right according to the un charter, article 51, the right to self-defense, we support ukraine in this unjust war that the russian federation chose. the united states of nato as an organization, and by the way, if you look at how the organization is not helping us in this war, it is the nato member countries that are helping us and that is why it is a fundamental thing to tell because of course how can they to this lepso to sell the fact that some non-existent ukrainians of a non-existent state er-e means in 317 or how many 18 days destroyed the incapable and they simply cannot advance in the

bahmut. the same kherson or the island of the snake. well , without permission, we need to show that the whole world, the whole west with its economic and military power is at war with the russian federation, which is precisely why they cannot do something, and the second point is an effort pressure on the west eh let's say mentally that eh we want to avoid the third world war with a nuclear end, that's exactly why we should stop supporting ukraine, we'll deal with it ourselves there we will destroy eh, so we insult these unknown people who are russian it will be okay, and we will talk with you about strategic security there, about er, about the agreement on strategical-strategic offensive weapons, the state, well, the starting point, in fact, it is allowed that this is exactly why such theses are put forward in moscow, they, they, they russians have no reason to think that even the leadership, no matter how much

it believes in conspiracy theories, they absolutely understand that it would be suicide for them to start conflicts with nato countries now, they will be destroyed if ukraine has a dozen or so heimers there, with more or less armored vehicles, but not tanks, we can do it with the russians, we can imagine if, for example, finland also has sophistry, where are these hundreds of farms that are ready for a war like this, what can it do on its own? i am not saying as part nato that's why i understood everything, mr. oleksandr well , the last question for you, but there is not enough time, literally 1.5 minutes for an answer , our first program will be released in 2023, for you as an expert, this year is the 23rd, what does it look like, how can it be safe dangerous encouraging no encouraging, that is, but there is

only a minute of time for an answer. well, the call will be difficult, extraordinary, and no one can say when the victory of ukraine is . of the russian military in the sense that this is how we strike. they are fleeing, but there has been no collapse in the occupied territories yet. it is possible . well, maybe tomorrow there will be another strike like the punks and the morale of the russian military occupiers will collapse and they will run as it was. in the 17th year. yes, you remember how the franks fled to the first world war and then actually brought down the empire, so i hope it will happen. but the most important thing is that we have great chances so far, despite the fact that they elected kevin mccarthy as the speaker house of representatives on certain conditions that may prevent the provision of ukraine in such a perspective. for now, there is the biden administration and while it is

actually controlled by the senates, and this assistance will be provided to us, i do not see any fluctuations in european capitals, on the contrary, these are positive , the last ones there with marauders with these french nu tipa tanks here a letter for which we see that there is and will be support, and therefore we have a great chance with the power of the ukrainian spirit of the entire ukrainian society and most importantly, the unconditional power of the baron to finish off this bastard and actually end this war in the 23rd year, i.e. there is such potential. i hope that it will be realized, that is, it will be victorious for us, there is absolutely no question here. because we have nothing else, and as they have said there since ancient times, but often in russian propaganda, because for we are the truth, well, we will win. thank you, we will definitely win. this was oleksandr khara , an expert on issues hm. i apologize, an expert on issues of foreign and security policy of

the center for defense strategies. well, the first program in 2023 is coming to an end. i think it turned out to be a good one i received questions on that answer to those questions that i wanted to receive, now all i have to do is sum up the results of the voting, so at the beginning, wow, 667 votes , we are starting the 23rd year very well, 668 votes, we should have inserted the following question for you: why did europe start actively helping ukraine, the answer options are certain in the victory of ukraine, 47% of those who watched and voted believe and fear for their own future, 40 also believe 47%, well, your option is 6%, and your option will be seen only after completion programs, when it will be in the archive on youtube, uh, it will get to hmm well, you have watched us enough, now 1442 people are watching, but it is on

our separate tv channel. in conclusion, i want to remind you once again that we really want you to like or dislike, although it is obvious of course likes under this program so that you write your comments because it is very important for us to know what you think. well, time is running out, i have to finish my name is yuriy fizers, i barely found a working store in three letters , it is closed, there is no light for me, please, here is this one a lucky bouquet it doesn’t disappear in our country, so the generator on the street is humming ukrainian veterans’ background money, the fund helps veteran enterprises, it’s interesting and what is needed for this, but only fop and ubd, for example , how my husband and i have a family business, they give it up to uah 20,000, i understand it. it’s great thank you for the

bouquet, support of the ukrainian veteran business, find out the details on the website or by phone number, i am iryna koval , mother, wife, presenter of the espresso tv channel, and i am also a volunteer, our soldiers at the front need a lot of things every day, and that is why part of of my life today - this is help to the armed forces of ukraine and i am very grateful to my colleagues that they support me in this, of course, for a tv host, the main job is to inform people as disgustingly as possible, as truthfully as possible, now it is mainly information about the war, the war has entered the lives of each of us and we want one victory and

we strive for victory with all our might . of our soldiers, each of you can help even a small contribution to the support of the army saves the lives of our soldiers and brings our victory closer this is our first room the registration room here we have a cooler tea coffee an opportunity to recharge e-e gadgets here we have a room for children we have equipped it so bright and cheerful, there are books and toys to have so that you can lie around, including pencils to draw, and in this

next room we have a room for the elderly so that the children do not disturb the elderly. if they they want to rest a little, this is one of the points of invincibility. it is located on the school grounds in the shevchenkiv district of the capital. it has a separate entrance so as not to interfere with the educational process. it can accommodate up to 100 people at the same time. despite this, there are not many visitors here, this is my drawing, the flag of ukraine. and here i was dripping in ukraine, well, here i am, this is me, my mother and father, father. i am at war now. well, i miss nothing. well, he used to come and sometimes he comes. arina is probably the only

visitor here, she came on duty together with his mother, it is the school staff and representatives of the anti-terrorist defense that receive people here 24 hours a day, with the exception of air alarms, during an alarm, the point does not work, everyone , both the staff of the point and visitors, must be in a safe place in the shelter . that is why we are closing and everyone is moving to the shelter like this the small number of visitors is due to the absence of long-term power outages in this area of ​​the city, but in the sleeping areas and near kyiv there was no electricity for several days in a row. therefore, the gostomel police support point was visited several hundred people a day in case of power outages, people can come here to warm up, drink tea, have a snack and charge their phone gadgets, in the event of a lack of communication here, you can always turn to the police for help, we

are here 24 hours a day and this point is open 24 hours a day, we provide all police services if people want to make any statements yes, we accept them here in conditions of long blackouts points of unbreakability turns into a working office half a day i work at home while the battery holds and i work for half a day at the non-breakage point, charging all the gadgets for teenagers, electronic devices are also important, so the schoolchildren of bohdana kyrylo charge their phones here and can rest a little, play games in one , there was no light, we had charged power banks . i see you are playing games, well, i think it is very artificial. in general , 412 points of invincibility have been deployed in kyiv region, and 530 more in kyiv itself, so in the event of a long-term

power outage, there will not be enough of them. there are millions of people in kyiv. are located here, let’s count for ourselves how many such points are needed in order to satisfy all needs. of course, it is physically even technically impossible. the points have their own functionality. they are not sad there for permanent residence, let ’s say . a lot of people turn to me for electricity to recharge their gadgets, the list of these points includes gas stations, pharmacies, shops, post offices that have generators and provide services exclusively for recharging also, most utility points do not have sterlinks, which makes it impossible to connect to the internet in the event of a blackout, but despite russia's constant attempts to damage our civil

infrastructure, kyiv region and the capital are holding on, the situation is now stabilized and it can, and due to shelling due to russian attacks , on the one hand, we will do everything to to ensure the operation of all systems, but uh, objectively, everything depends on the utility companies. the enemy is methodically using the capital for a whole week in the civil infrastructure, however power outages do not frighten local residents, in particular gostomel, which was occupied by the russians near kyiv, the vast majority of citizens were forced to leave their homes , so now, despite all the trials, people want to stay at home i have already been in the status of a refugee i don't want to go anywhere even though there is light, water and heat i lived in austria for 5 months in vienna, i am very grateful to the austrians and everyone

who helped me, but i think it is better even without light even without light tetyana litvinova oscaryansons and hornikitenko specially for espresso, we are looking for five-year-old yaroslav maigur, who disappeared in september 22 of the year in the territory of the then still occupied kharkiv region , the story of this boy is very scary, because he, together with his parents, came under fire and eventually lost his mother and father, fortunately, yaroslav himself survived the child almost completely accidentally saved yaroslav's godfather, the boy's grandfather told us about it , and now he is actually trying to find his grandson . although he burned down the luhansk hospital, i don't know who you guessed , yaroslav's grandfather told the tragic story in detail

of his family says that the grandson and his parents met the war in kharkiv and since in the first days of the full-scale invasion the situation there was quite restless, the family immediately decided to evacuate, they were in kharkiv, alive in an apartment, people called the war, they did not leave there, they fell into occupation, so what is the opportunity to leave kupyan district of kharkiv region was occupied almost from the beginning of the war, so for about seven months, mr. serhiy could not contact his family, but he believed that everything was fine with them, there was absolutely no then i found out that it was important to serve, it would seem that they could also undermine the co-operation there and it would not be possible to go to the

head of the local. it is known that the situation in the village was very tense and that at some point they organized an evacuation column for civilians, the maigor family took the opportunity and tried to leave , but on the road between the kupyan junction and in the village of kurylivka, civilian cars were fired upon, it turned out that mr. serhiy's daughter and her husband were killed, but five-year-old yaroslav survived, survived and baptized a boy who was also riding in this convoy. he apparently

spent some time with his godfather in the hospital, and then it is unknown how he left for russia. in the belgorod region, by what agreement did the village of luky get to the belarusian region? it is true that serhiy is currently in russia, it is not known for sure. it is quite possible that five-year-old yaroslav still remains somewhere in the uncontrolled part of ukraine, but where exactly no one knows, so i am appealing to everyone who sees me now, especially to the residents of the occupied territories who may be watching this program in on social networks, look carefully at the photo of five-year-old yaroslav maigur, remember this face, the boy is thin, he looks 5-6 years old, he has short light hair and blue eyes. if suddenly someone has seen this child or know where he is right now, to be yaroslav, do not delay and call us immediately to the magnolia child tracing service at the short number 116,000 from

any ukrainian mobile operator, calls are free. if there is no way to call, write to the chat bot of the child tracing service in telegram, any information is important and only one story of the missing children in general since the beginning of the war. we have received more than 2,000 requests for help in the search. fortunately , most of the children have already been found, but the fate of many remains unknown and everyone can help find them. just take a minute of your time, go to the website of the magnolia children search service, here you can view all the photos of the missing, maybe you will recognize someone and in the end help to find them so that ukrainians do not think about what they say on