there are people who will make their decisions, and therefore you need to bring evidence, even if you have identified the people who committed these crimes , you need to collect evidence that you have convinced the judges of this, and it's all very laborious and time-consuming work, and i have already started more and more often since march, we have been asking ourselves for whom we are documenting all this, that is, who will take our entire database and be able to digest this entire mass of information, because it is obvious that even the best general prosecutor's office in the world during the war cannot cope with the task to effectively investigate each of the tens of thousands of criminal proceedings, and the international criminal court will limit its investigation to a few selected cases. well, the question itself is simple. well, it is obvious, then who will give a chance for justice to all the hundreds of thousands of people who suffered from this war for

you? this is an open question, do you know the answer is that we are working to solve this issue through the strategy of justice, and when i say complex, it means that there is no such simple solution, because here we need to talk about how to increase the capacity of the international criminal court, we need to talk about how to increase the potential of the national legal system, we need to talk about these new bodies that were created, for example, the joint investigio, however, within the framework of the european union, so that they collect evidence not only in estonia, in poland, in latvia, but here at the crime scene in ukraine where these crimes are committed, and it is also necessary to talk about the possibility of applying universal jurisdiction in different countries and about the creation of new international instruments that would close this gap of responsibility and we are talking about

as for the special tribunal on aggression that the ukrainian authorities are promoting and that we as human rights defenders support and as well as for the international model that would allow this popular element to be involved in the swarm of the national legal system, that is, we are talking about such a model in which national investigators work with foreign investigators and national judges work with foreign judges and then together they can digest these tens of thousands of criminal proceedings . under what conditions do you mean the tribunal itself, will it happen to ukrainians, it is very interesting to know with each missile strike we ask ourselves but when will i return to the sociological survey, was it in october or september,

ukrainians asked what will be the biggest disappointment after the war and i will allow to say to myself after our victory and in the first place people said that the biggest disappointment will be if we do not get justice and i want to say that the request for justice of millions of people is a very powerful thing and with such a request we will achieve and tell me, please, how people will see justice. how do you think people see justice? well, more precisely, my question is, it should be short. justice or punishment . justice is a much broader concept than just a picture where we see a criminal behind bars . and i will explain it on the example of a very famous trial in ukraine, which became very famous only because it was the first

after a full-scale invasion, this is the trial of vadym shishimarin, a russian soldier who was found guilty of killing the 62-year-old farmer oleksandr shellipov, yes , his wife kateryna told me two things that i want to bring up now to answer your question. first, she said that her husband was an ordinary farmer, but he was whole for her. the universe and she says that i have lost everything and this is the meaning of justice when for the sake of a person regardless of her social position, her origin and recognition, whether the media write about her cases, what kind of cruelty she endured , all this big uh is included and i would say dear

the investigation machine of justice because the life of every person has value and in this context, the words of oleksandr's wife remind me that the only way to take a person's life is from the number into which war turns us all, because it turns us into numbers, we speak of statistics because of rocket strikes, how many dead how many of they destroyed the housing stock and many other things, but the only possibility to return people's names and human dignity is to provide them with justice and the second thing that kateryna said about in one of her interview she said and i'm not against this vadym shishimarin being exchanged and thereby saving the life of some ukrainian military or military personnel, i.e. justice is a much more voluminous concept than

just this picture that we paint for ourselves, the man could not be returned yes, and this lady understood that someone would be exchanged from our marines, here i 'm just doda. we understand that we do not have the opportunity directly tomorrow and scaffolding specific people does not mean that we should not do all the necessary procedures so that when we have this window of opportunity we did it because history convincingly shows that authoritarian regimes fall and the leaders of these authoritarian regimes and their executors who thought that they will be untouchable, they will be brought before the court. well, actually, when we talk about the fact that

putin, in the end, putin and the russian leadership should appear before the court, of course, the majority of the vast majority of people there is an association with the nuremberg trial. yes , but now is a different time. another world and slightly different conditions. it was very different. could this new trial be different from the nuremberg trial? well, i know for sure that in today's criminals, what was the crime, whatever crimes they committed, they will not be given the death penalty . there is no longer a stylized world, this is a suicide bomber. and how else can this process differ in essence, can it be engaged? it should differ in that we do not have to wait for ukraine to win because it has leaves, the process is the process of winners over regime that lost and we are talking about a right that should be independent of the strength of authoritarian regimes, well, if you think logically if there are war crimes, if there are victims of

these war crimes, if there are people who committed these crimes with their own hands, made decisions or created conditions, who may have loved the commission why we have to wait for the end of the war, we have to bring responsibility already, because even wars had to be conducted according to the rules that russia rudely ignores . of the international criminal court, i think. and what else did they not violate, and are there any things that , let's say, as precedents , they can supplement the rome statute, the geneva convention, russia has already done something like that, no, you mean what else hasn't happened, you know me it seems new, what was not so bright, this is especially visible in

comparison with 8 years, because we have been documenting war crimes for eight years. she said, we don't have any control in donbas at all. that is, it's some republics over there, but we make all the decisions, we're useless here . they tried to convince someone that it was ukraine that shot down mh17. they came up with some theories with some spanish dispatchers, well , not really. maybe it was successful, but russia tried to hide war crimes and somehow, yes, they don't try to save face anymore for me, this became especially evident after the liberation of kyiv oblast, our mobile groups went to bucha, makariv, motizhyn, vorzel, and other cities of the town well, as everyone saw a whole bunch of civilians

lying on the streets, they found a bunch of civilians in the yards of their own houses, and hundreds of publications appeared in different languages, there were a huge number of journalists, they themselves talked to the victims and people who survived and wrote it, filmed it and these photos and videos shocked the civilized world, they finally started giving us the weapons we need and started talking about sanctions and what did putin do putin awarded an army unit that stood under anything more than that pisku just started quoting hitler, the ukrainian government can stop the suffering of the ukrainian people at any moment by acting on the kremlin's proposals. and this is almost an exact copy. the tracing paper is a quote from hitler, well, the logic of authoritarian leaders, but absolutely

look, i would like to ask you as a human rights defender about this, but first, let me i will reproduce one more quote from memory, and it sounds something like this. revenge is a wild type of justice, and the law should uproot or uproot this weed as much as possible, but however, there is one acceptable form of revenge - it is when it is necessary to correct a situation that cannot be corrected by the law - this is francis bacon, 1625 quote and the thing about justice and revenge is that after buchi, after all that, after we have a bunch of people or there are families killed, arrested, raped, i don't know what else . and do you think there is a possible option for which ukrainians will begin to take revenge for the injustice, not to take it to court, but to take revenge? and we know how to do

it . in such cases let's go back to today, in which i am a human rights defender who has more than 20 years of work in the field of human rights protection, our organization has been working for 15 years, 8 years we have been documenting war crimes, i know the un system quite well, because here is the council of europe, the european union, i don't have any legal instrument to stop the russian atrocities, and i frankly say that the law does not work, but it is temporary, that is why we are collecting this evidence, because we know that sooner or later we will restore the law and it is important not to succumb to temptation and not to become a mirror of the aggressor state because in this war we are fighting not only for the territory and for the people who live on it, we

are fighting for our democratic choice once again this war did not start in february 2022 it started in february 2014 when after the revolution of dignity, ukraine got a chance for democratic transformation. and in order to stop us, putin started this war, so i will ask a rhetorical question: does it make sense to win the war and turn into russia? i think absolutely no. but nevertheless, we know that even head on october 1, the head of the intelligence directorate announced that the ukrainian massad was operating. well, you know what we're talking about - it's for the audience, i'll explain that it's by analogy with the revenge of the jewish concentration camp prisoners, well, it was actually two types of operations, the organization was such a paramilitary er, how does nakav happen or nakam

nakam jews in hebrew revenge and bakovna was such an outstanding jewish poet later and first he er organized such after the second world war during and after the second world war to take revenge on the german well, there were er masad operations, for example after tragedies in in munich in the 71st year, during the olympics, musat ee-e took revenge, can he? look at the bacon. that’s where justice will not reach. and we know that there are thousands of war criminals in view of war crimes. justice will be served , the ukrainian siege will be served, justice will be served, it gives not only predictability, i understand what will happen if the situation is one way or another, it also provides for everyone and should provide universal

rules of the game. that is, it applies to everyone, not only to those whom someone is reaching out to or not that's why i always prefer the legal direction of solving problems and the fact that right now the law does not work and i, as a human rights defender, when they ask me how to protect people in the occupied territories, i answer give ukraine weapons, then i understand what i'm saying because now is a period of hot war but again well , let's look at the lessons of history and the legal order is being restored, and in this restoration we need to lay such rules of the game so that not only those who were caught bear responsibility. and all the people who committed crimes are not crimes, but history. shows that even dictatorial regimes often decline and the end of a dictator often comes very, well, unexpectedly, or in the case of kusen, well,

of course, as a result of the execution of gaddafi milosevic, who is not even close to the verdict, somewhere he was either poisoned or died from an attack in er gas already in the judge is in a temporary detention cell. if tomorrow our ssso forces penetrate putin's bunker, they will pull him out, i don't know by the tail or by the horn, and execute you. you will be caught . putin has a lot to tell. i want to be in the gas. i will take red lipstick, i will sit like a winner. i want to listen to him. i want to see him in court. well, don't leave me and millions of other people with this opportunity . human rights

are fake values ​​because they do not protect anyone and in this context it is a war no not between two countries ukraine and russia it is a war between two systems authoritarianism and democracy and listen to putin and those who will accuse him and wait for the verdict of the judges not only ukrainians will be waiting for millions of people in different countries of the world who are now standing with us defending democracy, and this will be a huge lesson for future generations, especially for the russian people themselves, who must bear responsibility for this shameful page in their history. in your nobel lecture, you specifically said that law is a living thing that changes. and what exactly needs to be changed, what changes does the world need in order to prevent such things from happening again, because we know that the un replaced the league of nations after the second world war

of the world in order to prevent the second world, but for some reason it allowed the third, perhaps the problem is that it was done to prevent the second, do you understand what it is about, how it is necessary to change , in this way, it is possible for us in the whole world, in order for this not to happen again, first we need to recognize the problem of this i do not see that's why i or how should it be defined as an alcoholic must admit that he is an alcoholic in order to be cured that's true and how does the problem look like you can formulate the problem looks like this i am a person who is engaged in the protection of human rights i will repeat myself again when i am asked how to protect people in the occupied territories, the first answer is give ukraine weapons, this is a problem, it means that the entire international system of peace and security does not work and that in the guarantee of security, the guarantee of the protection of human rights does not depend on this system, which should provide them yes and intervene if something goes wrong, it depends on whether

you live in a country with a powerful military potential or not, only because of this and nothing else, and it is a very dangerous world to live in and a dangerous direction for development because humanity has to invest money for education, health care, development , solving some global problems , climate change, some scientific breakthroughs, etc., but not for armaments, not for isolating ourselves from each other and increasing the potential of our army by inventing the newest and newest arsenals of weapons. therefore, this is the very logic of this process, it is dangerous. i am not talking about ukraine now, how do you understand enlightenment in general, but why do i say that they do not understand the problem? because when i speak with international organizations or there with representatives of countries, i often hear here are the first months after the invasion about the fact that, well , putin is bad, well, in the sense that russia simply

does not fulfill our decisions, it ignores international law. well, this is the problem with this. i always said, wait, there may be a problem in the world where russia can start a war 8 years ago all these years, she started a full-scale invasion, and the world can do nothing about it . and this recognition is gradually beginning to come to international organizations and countries that vote in these international organizations, but not as quickly as we would like. well, because very difficult the task is, if we are talking about a change in this system, to start, that's why i say you start with a small one, let's exclude russia and betray the un security council for systemic violations of the charter, let's start this entire comprehensive reform with a small, symbolic, but very important step, and the last question is your plans

for the victory, you have already heard about red lipstick, we will follow. and i would like to ask you after our victory, what will you do, you will continue to document the traces of this war, yes, this is a victory for ukraine not just push russian troops out of our territory, liberate donetsk luhansk completely, kherson region, crimea, other territories of ukraine, a victory for ukraine is to achieve success on the path of democratic transformation, that is, roughly speaking, to make theses , people came out with something during the revolution of dignity, to build a society, which rights of each person are protected, the government is accountable and does not steal when the vessels are independent and fair and when the police serve the people and do not disperse peaceful demonstrations. i think that we will

have to work on this automatically, war is not will change yes, for the better, neither revolutions nor wars, automaticity, which democratic institutions do not build, we have to work on this. and i see , by the way, there is a huge difference in this during the orange revolution, when it was enacted, people said, well, if yushchenko won, we would be the president. well, now let him goes and does everything we said on the maidan, east and west together with freedom not to be stopped and so on, but after the revolution of dignity it was no longer the case, even though a huge part of the people had to defend the country from russian aggression groups and actors of civil society said no, don't wait to hand over the responsibility for changing ukraine to politicians, well, that's a great luxury. we take this responsibility on our shoulders and worked on police reform, judicial reform

, other reforms, yes, it's still no, we haven't reached the point no return we have a lot of unfulfilled homework, but we have been on the right track for all these eight years, that's exactly why russia began a full-scale invasion because it understood for a while, it's scary, but a very correct marker of what we've been doing everything that's right, you agree that russia attacked, then he is not too afraid, then he is afraid of the idea of ​​freedom, and this idea of ​​freedom began to sound too loudly right in his border, thank you very much for this conversation, and thank you very much for your work, this is even more important and i am happy that the world heard about the changes that must be made precisely in the ukrainian language and precisely from you . thank you very much for this. thank you very much for the first

sports victories under the flag of ukraine . the stands fell silent, but the athletes of the whole world are not silent thanks to their struggle in russian and belarus are no longer allowed to participate in international competitions, the european gymnastics union also banned the performance of the athletes of the aggressor countries, together we can do even more to completely isolate their sport with the company's hashtags and call for a boycott russian and belarusian athletes must fight on the sports front until the war ends silence kills

unbreakable unstoppable incredible we see your strength and resilience we are proud of your bravery we bow to your courage, we rejoice in your success, we are equal to your patience, you stand , you stand, we are a fortress, bakhmut saltifies the blood, iron like will, do you have t2 reception today? in the settings menu, select the

auto search item, scan and press the ok button to save the search results. if you need help, go to the site or contact the telemasters in your region i am anastasia dougly. this is my story. an interview about how ukrainians are treated, what they feel and how they act in times of war. today we are listening to the story of the singer, musician , wellboy. i congratulate you. hello. how is it better to address you by your stage name or by your passport washington by passport by my passport sinks anton how are you now i’m fine i’m fine so far you’re fine with me too

you’re working in kyiv so for now we ’re staying in kyiv we’re working we’ve already worked hard if you’re honest you want to rest a little before the new year before christmas but you understand that it's not time for us to rest, we'll rest sometime later, we're all working, the lights are usually turned off a couple of times a day, but i'm one of those people who likes the lights to be turned off. something is being repaired there right away. i think it's for the emergency services and right away. i take the guitar, light an aroma candle that smells incredible and play the guitar, just ip , some tea, but i also need to warm up the app. i have gas, so turning off the light is not very good for you

they bother me, they bother me without the internet, sometimes without communication, i get very scared because i am alone in the apartment with this candle and a guitar, but still i think that i turned it on and they turn it on and your life returns again we are going to different years, the truth is there is no goat you recorded a new album precisely during the war, did you want to write certain songs, or did they accumulate earlier and just now you made them out, they are already such songs that i

wrote before, in fact, but this is how i analyze creativity and think there is a lot, what else am i talking about then i wrote well, i’m like back home. i haven’t seen my mother for so long, and all these things when you understand that many of the soldiers are girls and boys are far from home and on christmas they are unlikely to return home and i was still really songs written during the war, that’s the majority there were lines like these, which were written before the war, they were interesting, the album was basically different, many genres, various, what do you want to talk about as an author , as a musician, on what topics, oh, i want to talk during a war and not do anything, in principle only to talk and also to do something, because the recording

of the album is also the shooting of clips, these are all concerts . we are trying to do something. first of all, i want to raise the mood of people somehow and capture the moment in brief, what i feel, what else can you feel, you can listen to eight or eight songs there, i will return home i must have brighter stars in my parents' house . my mother taught me to sing a lot of thoughts on the topic of home.