night point of view from the point of view of training , therefore, these two points are very important that should be raised in the conversation at the g7, and a separate important element is to turn to japan to help us build a civil defense system and appeal to the fact that japan as and ukraine remains a hostage of this authoritarian regime with nuclear weapons. in the end, we are talking about north korea. in the end, we can say that if ukraine is not helped, then a big north korea will appear in the form of russia, which will already threaten several countries in the south korea, japan and in the whole world in the same way, launching ballistic missiles and blackmailing the world with a nuclear war, ukrainian issues, although this is not only a ukrainian issue, an issue of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate , can we say that now we are actually

leading to in fact, we can put an end to the fact that our church will never be dependent on the russian one, or this struggle, this war will still take some time eh, you know, it seems to me that the struggle eh for m-m, provided for the mentality, it lasts much longer than hostilities than any political or economic changes, i.e. in this sphere , there is still a very huge inertia ah, you know , we are even about research. as you saw, the majority are the same and this is normal. this time celebrates christmas on january 7. and on december 24, we will gradually withdraw from the remnants of this colonial remnants of the russian world and finally we will be able to say that we have already

completely broken when all the orthodox will celebrate christmas together on december 24 with the rest of the civilized orthodox world, perhaps the time has come when for ukrainians christmas will really be more important than the new year, because it is just an even larger remnant of the russian world . well, considering how russia shelled ukraine on new year's eve before new year and on new year's day, what she arranged, and what she did for christmas, we can understand what is for them, what is more important for russians, and how they think about themselves and about us, too. thank you very much for this conversation. petro burkovskyi was we are the head eh the executive director of the democratic initiatives foundation, i'm yaka kucherova, well, now we'll look at the story about the kiev-pechers lavra, the continuation of this conversation about the history of the

kiev-pechers lavra, the modernity of this shrine, in a word, and let's talk a little more about the historical event, without exaggeration , what a-a hm epiphany the metropolitan served his beatitude a christmas service in the last ukrainian shrine, the name is a thousand-year-old shrine, the center of eastern european orthodoxy and one of the first ukrainian monuments included in the unesco world heritage list, all this about the kiev-pechersk lavra was founded in the 11th century. for 100 years before the appearance of moscow , there was a monastery here for centuries, but during the soviet rule, the lavra was turned into a museum, a reserve, the church returned here only in 1988, in 1991, the ukrainian orthodox church separated from the orthodox church, which preserved its spiritual and administrative connection with the moscow patriarchate, at first it owned

a small part of the lavra, but in the mid-1990s the brothers were led by vicar pavlo, and the territory of the monastery began to expand ; large-scale and often illegal works began in the lavra the construction works, however, which the museum workers protested, led to quarrels and curses, and you cursed the museum. three people died . i warn people. in the evening , this son of the holy spirit will die forever. well, the truth is that one more person died. in 2011, the government of mykola azarov gave the ukrainian orthodox church of ukraine for free and indefinite use. 75 objects, in fact, the entire lower lavra. obviously, this was thanks for the correct position of the moscow patriarchate, which in numerous elections was the de facto speech of viktor yanukovych and the party of regions during the visits before kyiv, he always visited the lavra, and vladimir putin generously financed the monastery and praised the brother for preserving the so-called spiritual connection between kyiv and moscow. in the city, we experienced the most difficult trials

, shocks, tragedies, but at the same time, we built and defended our homeland, great russia , the lavra itself is not became a nationwide spiritual center, however, the love of luxury of its leaders and overly generous donations from politicians, businessmen, and sometimes just the criminality of others deterred the too active business activities of the monastery, which actually owns a travel agency, hotels, shops and restaurants. and, of course, the cult of the russian world, which has not disappeared even after the full-scale russian aggression, a parable in the mouth of a laureate raccoon, in the monastery there were curses against representatives of other religions and denominations, they struggled with identification codes and called to save themselves from the coronavirus pandemic

, communion in the church namely, the terrible epidemic and sin enters the temple, do not watch the older generation, the younger generation, everyone rushes to the temple at the end of 2022 he signed contracts for services in the assumption cathedral and the refectory church of the main churches of the lavra. on christmas 7th in the assumption cathedral, for the first time in many decades, a ukrainian liturgy was held. ukraine and that no one will ever speak ukrainian to someone else in the lavra during the glorious tabernacle in the lavra and have already officially registered their monastery as a legal entity. however, the monastery needs the cabinet of ministers should decide whether to provide them to the church. well, actually, about this historic christmas

service, about what the epiphany looked like at this service and other clergymen, about what was happening at that time under the walls of the dormition cathedral on the territory of the lavra. and why are the ministers of the ukrainian church of moscow the patriarchate burned something on the grave of volodymyr , we will talk about all this with taras antoshevsky, the director of the religious information service of ukraine, he is in touch with us , taras, have a good day, christ is born, taras, you probably know the details cases

are also very important. on a white background it is very discreet and neat how important it is and how characteristic it is or not characteristic or it is some kind of new model or something that begins just a detail what does it mean so church hats in why are elected clergymen such a whole science, well, it’s not very big, but there is, i won’t say that i’m a very big specialist, but actually the color plays a big role. that is, we have traditionally white, gold, er, dark red, green, blue, that is, there are several of each of they are

consecrated, that is, each color is dedicated to some type of holiday, for example, namely red and is worn during great lent. actually, most often red is the term red colors, light colors, golden color or white color - this is the most festive a regarding embroidery, you don’t really have anything extremely new. it’s possible that the fruit is actually a summon, even a question. there are already some embroidered wardrobes. maybe he wore something, but the value is very good. you can see what it is if he is. that new things are chosen for the great holiday, the best things are released so that he has them new and here is one of his best and this is a tradition. this is a very important element of culture, that is, when certain religious traditions are already woven into the local culture and this we see in ours we see this carol in many other things

, including in church clothes, and in general, very often clergymen, mostly ordinary priests, can wear embroidered robes, and not every craftswoman knows how to crochet such beautiful ones, especially when there, for example, using the same gold or silver thread or e. they have some such special patterns, for example, as well as ukrainian embroidery from region to region, it changes, and different things can be found here, but there are mandatory elements, it is e-e crosses, it is the image of saints on the back and e-e a number of other elements. in fact, they testify to where, well, how to say, not only the religiosity of ukrainians. and the fact that christianity is very tightly woven in ukrainian culture, i will say this. maybe not so diplomatically. you look at this, these, these robes, and the

second thing is what you see, what is this, well, sorry, not muscovites, that is, i am something completely, completely opposite , they even paid a lot of attention, first of all , almost all of them even had short beards, all neatly trimmed well, somehow yes yes yes western canon, and this is very much different from the so-and-so a little bit who and unobstructed er-er appearance very often er-er from the moscow patriarchate priests to clergymen of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate here are these beards that this is somehow prescribed somewhere in some canons or what is it? it is written in such a way that it is not a canon . these rules are sacred or are they specifically written. well, they are actually very ancient. that is, when it was not possible to cut the beard. how was the beard cut? we can see it with a burr, and there could still be a pigtail in the back , and it was quite long, do you remember this video from chernivtsi from the search of the sbu,

which is long. sorry, the tail of this hair was not the bishop's back then, because that is, in fact, it is an old tradition, but it's just that somewhere in russia, they are quite actively cultivated further in our country, which reduces and less, for example, you can see the difference, relatively speaking, some priests of the orthodox church of ukraine look more like greek catholic priests than the priest of the moscow patriarchate, for example the greek clothes of the priestess became more popular for a while, but by the way, regarding the embroidery, i remembered that the late metropolitan of the ukrainian orthodox church of the first unity with the moscow patriarchate to stop the volodymyrs, who during the time of president viktor yushchenko took a very pro-ukrainian position, that is, very she went forward a lot for the church, it even talked about autocephaly in it, that it is not evil, he had a

collection of embroidered clothes, i don’t remember, are they shirts, are they a different type of embroidered clothes, uh, and he really liked this business and he had a lot of them too embroidered states may not be as sumptuous as ours to pay for guardianship, but they were also in his possession , and that is, they also fluttered, for example , there was also, you know, what kind of meeting was there, what was the miter worn by the metropolitan, the bishops were status embroidered with gold all their lives, and there are such which are also embroidered purely in the ukrainian style, and even i saw you micro made with words that i think are especially symbolic and very beautiful at christmas time, by the way, you didn’t even say that this is a village talk i'm a common phenomenon, we talked a little about the form. now let's talk about the essence of what happened, and how much it is a truly pious event. and what will this mean? there is also another question regarding, for example, the

pochaiv lavra, and the kyiv-pechersk lavra , this is of course a beloved event because until recently , they understood that no one except the moscow patriarchate could serve there, so they behaved there like, shall we say, like the immortals, who can do whatever they want there, engaged in economic activities, er, collected er, there a large cash register, as they say, but it was simply a type of economic activity, that is, hotels, er, some kind of production of something there, cultivation, that is, full-fledged economic activity is possible, er, and the worst thing was a large construction activity with numerous violations, er, recently i was in the medical office of information for the employees of the reserve since the 90s, all these cases of illegal activity have been recorded. is it construction? is it some repairs or what? it was not, that is, a very large amount of information was collected there about what and this is the first thing it concerns the lower lavra, which is of indefinite

use, and which is. let’s say it’s not so easy to take away those who are there now, but actually under such a number of illegal acts that they have done. well, there are simply no reasons for that it is possible to raise questions about the termination of relations and a similar situation with the pochaiv lavra, but the pochaiv lavra is almost such a feature that on the one hand it has become such a center of pilgrimage for the entire western regions of ukraine, but it is even if you accept how many pechersk lavra was it not like that - it somehow pochaiv lavra is a much bigger center of russian propaganda of the russian world, that is, this pochaiv movement is the own environment of the uoc mp, it is such a testimony of such a major fundamentalist such direction of the russian world and uh with the pochaiv lavra let's put it this way. there is a much more complicated situation because it is large and

filled with a large number of monks, and even if it is sorted out, it is not so easy who will be there. that is, it is also a big question because it could be for the ptzu. and maybe we know that for a long time, greek-catholic monks served in it, that is, it may be that it will be some kind of monastery where representatives of different confessions will live together. i found this idea a long time ago, but there is a different opinion about reducing the influence of those monasteries and others centers of such bright centers of the russian world, which are widespread in our country, either in transcarpathia or in bukovina, or in pochaev and many other places, mr. taras , in conclusion, i wanted to ask you, we have already mentioned today, you mentioned today the head of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate of volodymyr and the deceased and actually while there a

service was held on the territory of the lavra at his grave and i don’t know if you saw these pictures. did you see this video, two white clubs were set up and then they were set on fire and burned by representatives of the ukrainian orthodox church of the russian orthodox church, i don’t know why ? how to call it, the actions were carried out and what, well, it is some kind of removal in years or as they say spells and the church and some kind of belief in the lessons of spells, how can it be combined with each other, what i see and read the information that they are unknown from where they started, that is, they recognized who was engaged in this burning, it resembles rather, as experts say cult wood experts say, why was this done? hmm, i also don’t understand what it can symbolize, but we know that vladyka

pavel, in general, loved different ones, let’s say distant ones from christianity or completely anti-christian things like curses, various things like there, some other such uh, what kind of things, as he footballly expressed himself there, in particular, what about fellow journalists, actually, somewhere i understand that it is not just that this act he it got into the public eye, that is, it was done here, not what was destroyed, what should be burned, as with holy things, for example, ancient icons that have already been destroyed to what extent, what are not subject to reconstruction, and uh, there are also traditions of other religions, what things that were used for religious services and which can no longer be used because they have already become too old, they are burning them, but here we see these metropolitans in the style of the russian style of the kyiv club, they are burning, which means that they are also new. so it means that this is some kind of

symbolism, well, literally, the most that is thought that this is a semi-cult of voodoo, that is, that they depended on someone or that they symbolize something, that they are burned to do some evil to a paid person, and considering that the percentage like to create such provocations, and then talk about persecution, i do not rule out that some such internal act took place somewhere which after something it will be used in this church in order to show that something was done against them, that after the location that it is that they themselves organized the word kyiv-pechersk lavra, it will still be necessary to sprinkle it well with the holy water after them, there is a lot that needs to be done antoshevsky director of the religious information service of ukraine was in touch with us , they talked about the kiev-pechersk lavra

, about the holy liturgy at christmas and historically. in the moscow patriarchate. listen to what fraser once wrote, a famous english anthropologist, a scottish anthropologist. a hundred years ago, he wrote that he described various wild tribes of adam in the amazon, for example, there are also different their customs, well, there is an anthropologist. and he also described the russian peasants who, in order for it to rain, for example, to sow, they took the local priest of their parrot, took off their parrots, excuse me , these are the details, took off the portholes from him, and it was necessary, so to speak , to stretch him with a naked fifth point along this furrow fresh. it was as if it gave a chance that the earth would give birth well. well, i didn't like it. they screeched and fought back, too. well , somehow, such habits were absolutely wild. i'm

talking about the fact that we don't really see what will happen in 100 years. russia has changed very little, somewhere it is even sleepier than it was 100 years ago, four will say yes, now everyone takes off their pants and we will drag them around the kiev pechersk lavra , what are you showing all our orthodox people ? in the church at the christening, when they told me that i should spit in the church over my left shoulder and i said why, father, you will do it, the churches here say that without satan there would certainly not have been oleksandra kondratyuk, the founder yes, i i understand, let's talk about education for a bit , you know, it gives people the opportunity not to take off their pants and, at least, there is actually a tendency to act, not to believe in something so magical, the founder of the all-ukrainian educational company set stop oleksandr kondratyuk is in touch with us,

oleksandr dobrogo it is still morning, mr. oleksandr, a full-scale invasion is going on, the education of the children is happening in different ways, or it is not happening, as we say . children and parents seem to assure that they are studying, but it is not clear what they are studying there, and will we have, or will this generation not be lost, or will they have at least some educational level, in your opinion, education is definitely not in the best circumstances now, it is necessary to teach remotely in some way to teach in conditions of danger of stress when children even think a little bit not about you definitely war even it will be difficult to concentrate on the necessary information but there are certain methods that

can be taught anyway there are certain advantages which it is possible to take from such circumstances to somehow try to cover the minuses. of course, first of all, this is the same patriotism that can be formed in children against the background of war, and they can become more inclined to study, for example, the history of ukraine, do you understand that studying mathematics or physics is necessary if you want to become a professional the military later, and now it will become more popular, that is, there are certain things that can motivate a child at certain times, but of course education is not going through the best times in the state sphere of school education, primarily because education is distance learning, and we don’t have platforms ready for the remote control, despite our loyalty , they tried to jump over them somehow and they say it will end, we will all go back offline, everything will be fine as it was, but it didn’t happen, the remote control stayed with us and will remain in the future, so it was necessary to make platforms, but they are not there that's why it 's bad, what's good? of course, this is what is such a

hard point about the multitest. for example, this is what forces applicants to study hard. in order to enter the university, it is necessary to pass exams a-a or are they ready for their school, by all means, all parents know that no, and this was even before the coronavirus, even during the coronavirus, it became even worse, and during the war for everything this question fell away ah, but you need to prepare and it forces children and parents to somehow learn on their own in an unpleasant way with the help of your desires, motivations , with the help of course tutors and anything else, to learn information or to enter a university, and at the same time, you know, it is not just a drop in quality, but an increase in the gap between the efforts that are necessary, that is, between what they know. it gets even worse and between what is needed it becomes even higher, i.e. it becomes even more difficult, higher requirements and less knowledge, this gap is increasing, i.e.

for example, in the last year only this year, despite the fact that someone there was transferred to a budget form of education, the chance to enter the university decreased from 26 to 20%, for example, in 2014 it was 50%, that is, there was a 2.5-fold drop in 8 years, and now there is a drop even despite the war, and that is, there are such points of complication, there are points of complication of the test itself, they promise to do it here are four mandatory subjects and this will be the first time, if they really do that, that for all 15 years of the external examination, there will be no right for applicants to choose a subject. two years ago they said there would be an external examination, then they said there would be a multitest, now again the deputies from the verkhovna rada said that we have not decided yet, we will think about it and say

sometime in march, and this is definitely a huge stress for the children, where they are forced to prepare until march somehow uncertainty, they have fallen into a kind of trap, or they will not prepare and will only start there in april, and of course they will not pass the exams with any quality, or they are forced to prepare now in conditions of such uncertainty, and they need to predict how it will be. what to prepare for, fortunately, if it is all deciphered and understood as well as the multitest. and in the external examination , the topics are the same and the state structure is the same, and there is the same system of admission, then there are differences in the conduct, there are great subtleties, how to distribute your efforts on which topics more look, but knowing these subtleties and preparation is quite the same, therefore, despite the instability, they can find, you know, a small island of stability for themselves and somehow hope for further knocking and further study already at the university to obtain the

necessary fact, this is the situation in education, if in a nutshell, in fact i would like to know more, i asked mr. oleksandr, there are about 8 million, this official more or less data, maybe this figure is more, it is those ukrainians who left ukraine and were forced to go somewhere abroad, and among them a huge a large percentage is made up of children, since we went with children, for the most part, there are not very many schoolchildren, some will already enter some other higher educational institutions, colleges and so on abroad, and accordingly , there are two questions here, how should these children they were not lost for ukrainian education well, but this is question number two - it is also a question of how much they remain, well, the situation is very simple, very often, because they left, for example, from the east, in the first place, a paradoxical situation arises here

the situation, we see questions, in particular , about places, a survey was made at the end of the year that the use of the ukrainian language is very widespread in ukraine, its use is widespread , somewhere, well, seriously. situations of such russian-speaking enclaves where in fact children find themselves in a completely russian-speaking environment and even ukrainian-speaking children actually feel very uncomfortable in such situations when the whole class in russian-speaking and teaching can also be done in russian, well, that is, these are not isolated cases. as far as i understand, can ukraine somehow influence and should influence the fact that you, those children were not lost because the children do not know ukrainian and do not understand the ties to ukraine or they will want to come back and definitely. this is a large part of

children and a large part is now really abroad, someone left at the beginning of the war or in the summer for more long-term motives, but a large part now is that we see even our customers from practice, it can be said for sure that most of them left for the winter in order to be warm , to have light, to avoid all potential dangers, blackouts, and other things, and that is why now really a lot of our clients, for example, are abroad, they are studying there, but what does it matter if they are studying here preparing for exams they have so many intentions to return and what i see from practice. when talking with parents, parents often think quite logically, they say. they say the war, then the post-war reconstruction. of course , we will need the child to earn well. maybe she should have stayed abroad because it is reliable and stable and in general it was like that in ukrainian, and the idea that he spoke from abroad was cool, now with the coming of the war everyone realized that there is nothing wrong there

and cool cool at home and cool there it is possible to visit, but it is good to live here, in fact it is clear already with the war, but the children understood it even more when parents talk about whether it is possible to stay, then the children no , they want to join, but they want to return, more children want much more to enter the security service of ukraine, military structures, and for military specialties, this is a very big demand now. there will be a lot of it, that is, we receive a lot of talented and motivated graduates who will go to the army and the troops to the power structures and to the security services anywhere in a few years. that is why the children have definitely awakened this patriotism, all the things are necessary for ukraine and they want to return despite everything, the most important factor is not some support program or something, namely support motivations of patriotism