they can't influence eh that no one asks them about anything that they can't change eh the course of the country and they try to just sit quietly eh trying to chase eh this this time eh they understand that this is all it is very dangerous, of course they are generally opposed to mobilization, but when they receive this letter, it means that they have to go to the military commissariat, they go because he is a policeman, he is here and now, and if he is killed at the front, well, it may be, or it may not be. these are the attitudes that dominate russia now i will only briefly tell you some information for our tv viewers. yesterday, we talked about the fact that in ochakiv, the enemy fired at ochakiv, mykolaiv region, and vitaly kim, the head of the forces of the free administration of the

mykolaiv region, said that where did the enemies hit, so the russians used, by the way, expensive rockets, whose daggers they didn't have much left in their arsenal anyway, and they broke through a meter of concrete with these rockets and led to the detonation of a very powerful mine explosion, these were mines from the time of the second world war against the ship mines that were collected there, they put them in the sand and poured concrete from above. they poured about a meter of concrete to prevent them from exploding. for some reason, the russians thought that there was an ammunition depot of the armed forces of ukraine. they broke through this concrete and it led to the detonation of the mines . without roofs, as vitaly writes, nothing bad happened to anyone. well, also in mykolaiv, people were a little scared because the explosion was heard many, many kilometers from the center of events . well, also the armed forces of ukraine hit a russian boat on the dnipro river today which they neutralized, well, whether it sank or not is unknown, but from the artillery from the coastal artillery, the armed forces of ukraine mined another russian ship, well, it’s just from such an urgent situation, i told you, volodymyr,

now we’ll continue talking with you, i’d like to ask you about what dmitri piskov said yesterday that the cossack flew out of zlovi. what is his name. is he also dmitri or dmitriv? well, in one word, it is just as good. the administration of the president of the russian federation is allegedly conducting negotiations. well, no, there are no negotiations. contact with european leaders or with european politicians in order to divide ukraine according to the european-korean scenario and clearly create platforms for negotiations on this basis, before that we heard about the finnish option, but finland is joining nato and in principle this option about neutral status is no longer relevant. well, now the korean option has been invented. in your opinion , is this the case, or can there be such negotiations? and what russia wants to achieve in this way is probing the soil of the european and possibly the united states of the united states of america in order to understand whether, in principle, something can be done with this or is it again some kind of emissions that well, nothing except to create some kind of informational picture there is nothing underneath, please, this is an attempt to

, at least, to probe the soil about the possibility of the negotiations themselves is that it is in putin's interests to demand the current conflict, the current war, and to keep at least part of the occupied territories, because i am at risk of losing much more. and i think that such an interest exists, putin cannot win the war but he doesn't want to lose it, and that's why the freeze scenario is more or less acceptable for him. he pauses because when they talk about the korean scenario, it's not a peace treaty, it's actually a truce. it's true that in korea it's been going on for two years. count from the year 53. yes, it has been almost 70 years, but for the crust

it was the end of what war and the emergence of a new situation of a divided korea, and putin wants to use trade strategically in his own interests, in addition to playing to split the collective event to sow the illusion that putin allegedly wants to agree on peace, but in fact he wants to provoke western politicians among themselves to break the current single camp of support for ukraine well, and use the pause . nevertheless, he is not satisfied with the way this war developed and, for him, the existence of an independent and even more powerful ukraine is a

threat, a threat to his power, and he will fight to destroy ukraine. so this must be evaluated realistically. rather tactics for today, but also a reflection of certain interests and his uncertainty that he can win this war, you know. when the war just started, many people compared this jump of putin to ukraine with the jump of that akel from the novel about mowgli by the british -e british writer and there was this phrase by rudyard kipling about the fact that kella missed so well here and he didn't understand why and then he was simply told that you are simply old and you are not to blame , including that's why i'm just you're old you're already not flexible enough, not mobile enough, not fast enough, not fast enough, you are old, you are getting old, and therefore you obviously have to go the opposite way. well, in principle, putin also missed the big blitzkrieg he was counting on. this jump,

which was supposed to establish him in the role of a leader among those around him and to show him in the role of a leader for the western world who can take such steps step by step he proved to be capable and at the end of this year he proved to be unable to implement this step and here i am here is a question for you now, mr. ilya and mr. volodymyr said very well that putin cannot win the war, he does not want to lose it, well, the question arises that obviously a politician of this level should quickly adapt to make other decisions, be sufficiently plastic, flexible and mobile in order to develop another concept and to offer it to society, i have the impression that putin has nothing to offer, the war he has plunged into is the only way out for him, and to come up with something else well, there is a korean scenario, well, a finnish one the scenario is all that, well, you know, it doesn’t work and doesn’t play according to your opinion, or is it a question of tom’s age because it’s true that putin has no other options, he can’t think of any other options, he can’t come up with it or he doesn’t want to, or he’s no longer interested, or this is already the last war, and he resigned himself to the fact that

somehow in this war he himself will go with the hundreds of thousands that he invested and that he killed, well, precisely because of what you said, uh, this effect is like that but what a miss it is, well, in my opinion, very the description of this situation is correct, uh, he only needs one victory, or rather that that he can declare as a victory and if there will be additional captured territories that he can record it himself, well, it is a certain victory, but what he has been doing in general all the last months is a kind of gradual suicide er because from the very beginning when er he started this invasion in

february er when he er announced the annexation of kherson and zaporizhia now what can he do with it if it has already been announced he can't just stop the war er, without seizing these lands, it is simply impossible even from a legal point of view and if he is not the winner, that is what determines his defeat and if it is his defeat, then he is no longer the leader of the country, and then his time is already counted i think the same and there is therefore, my prediction is that he will not see the 24th year uh, he remains uhu we will now watch the video, you know, when uh, they have nothing to say, in fact, there is nothing

to calm the russians and there is nothing to convince them, you know, with with evidence from a video with facts, and then the russians attract various such people who say what god wants them to do put or what the fsb wrote to them somewhere, these are all kinds of hypnotists, fortune-tellers, er, vangovatili and other people who come on russian television and tell russians that everything will be fine because someone appeared somewhere, someone saw something, and so on, let's see if someone had a dream let's look at the ether before the once famous well, he is not known now, but once, in principle, it was such a rather respectable person , e. how will it continue in russia and what will happen next with the war, this is some russian hypnotist , we are listening to a frieze such a horizontal one came out to me in a circle and completely passed through the entire body, along all the cups in height up to the heels, it went

into the ground and that's where this frieze passed my body the usual boomerang launched against russia may turn back , the people will see through it, they will not understand it, everything will be good, our side will not win, my higher forces will protect russia, this is what he says about er february march i remember some russian tv expert said the same thing somewhere in in september, was it even there at the end of the summer , he said nothing, now in november, somewhere in selene, november, there is already something prepared there, there will already be a topic there, everything will be completely different, but we already have january 10 . the second one did not see p. volodymyr, this is how you and i are talking now, because i am already like, well, why is this being done at all, and this is what is being thrown into the people's heads. i

would say so in russian to this information, it means that while everyone is thinking about what to do next , let's feed the people this kind of information let them calm down a little, please, of course, yes, this is just a question, but when there are no arguments to talk about victory, then they start referring to higher powers, or someone there says it ’s like. now it dominates russian propaganda because there is nothing else to feed, but i will tell you about the boomerang. it is at the level of the subconscious, and they themselves do not understand it, but they make an accurate diagnosis only in relation to russia itself, when it went to a great war directly war against ukraine and now this boomerang is returning, returning to russia itself, and

it can return much worse than what they are saying because, well, some people are already thinking about it. to russia, and this war can return to russia itself, is this violence , aggression can return now already in russia, they are afraid of these adventurous prisoners, whom the beauty is sending back to russia so that the boomerang can return little by little returns, in particular, in the form of russia's defeats - in the war against ukraine. so, what did we say about this proration for and it can work against putin's regime, but do you know why he paid attention to it or not? unfortunately, there is a

phenomenon of collective putin ah, and this is also necessary remember that the problem is not only putin and the void around him. yes . unfortunately, in this void there is also the so-called collective putin, so it is too early for us to relax. here the beauty was just showing this sledgehammer with which they killed that unfortunate military man over there. yatayu that with did it happen to him? well, they accused him that he allegedly wanted to come over to the side of ukraine. or somehow, well, in one word, they killed this vagnesma, who they thought was a traitor, with this sledgehammer. by the way, yesterday i read a story about the fact that two russians who wanted to go over to the side and they killed ukrainians there, i understand that they were already crossing over, well, they wanted to cross over to ukrainian positions, surrender themselves as prisoners, then they were killed in the back. well, as they say, the grandfathers will be sued there for not the same actions as those in the war in the form of the soviet army, because they are truly heroic people who

dragged out this great war with their blood on their shoulders and their moral-willed qualities and mutilations, but i’m telling you about those who acted in the form of mkvs in hail detachments. now this role is performed by the cadres. as far as i understand, well, maybe there are still in england all who shoot at back to those people who don't want to die in this war, but want to come to the side of ukraine well, surrender and be captured and this and this is a normal normal story i uh now you know this, by the way, once again about putin's loneliness not only -e human and not only political but also geopolitical here, the ministry of defense of armenia informed the organization of the collective security agreement that yerevan does not consider it appropriate to conduct military exercises in ukraine in 2023, the prime minister of armenia, nikol pashinyan, simply said, that is, now the only country that, as i understand it, will support putin to the last even it's not lukashenko's country , it's belarus, which is ready to conduct 55 trainings for the kb per year. the main thing is that only i never run out. well, armenia has already shown that we don't need it, i understand that there are risks associated with this for armenia as well

you don't need panels, you know, i understand very well that this is a boomerang of chakra and a frieze that passes through his body. it can only affect ordinary russians to a greater extent, but those people who have serious money in putin 's environment. they didn't earn money they stole there they didn't steal they earned kickbacks they had that already they had serious money and have serious money in fact they were arrested they have arrested estates what are they accounts what are they real estate in europe well, these are serious people who think the question arises in my head and me. and what influences these people in putin's entourage to make them wait? they are waiting for a successful mobilization. they are waiting for some success and what is the reserve of patience, because again, i really do not believe that such people who came in the difficult 90s they are not some syrupy dozen well, why are they so meekly ready to bow their heads in front of putin and wait for a very long time, it is unknown for what please, well, first of all, i think that this

phrase is probably already touched their music and they created a certain lobotomy there or something like that -is and we are now seeing this result, but seriously, well, of course, they are just intimidated because, for them, putin is and has always been a source of power, and they understand that he can create a lot of bad things for them. dangers and the west there is a source of inconvenience because of the sanctions because of the impossibility to go there to a certain country in the world to rest there in cannes there somewhere somewhere in other cities eh but it is not a danger therefore now there is such a general feeling that well

actually there is such a definite feeling doom er, because no one sees the er path to victory anymore and they understand that probably everything will be destroyed and russia is not going anywhere, but what to do, so er, their event is waiting to er come out under er sanctions. they don't they understand how, what else to do, they are not told, and therefore the only thing left is to sit quietly and wait for some changes that will take place without them. i think that this is our main mistake in our attitude towards russia, we label it a lot . what is there? uh, russian society thinks. and it's not important at all. well it is not important at all, the attitude and the ice are important and

it is very important that we achieve their split and this split is possible only if we offer them a certain alternative if not putin then who if putin too etc. and uh if they see how they can uh intersect to the other side and run away from putin, i think that many people will do it, by the way , people are writing in the chat. by the way, i am asking for likes , spread it, support our channel on youtube , the espresso channel, they are writing about you, mr. ilya, what are you cool uncle and very smart and that's him to the presidents of the enemy, well, i convey this wish . of course, this is the will of the russian people. well, i support it here, so i hope that i will no longer be the president of the russian federation. they will not be russian at all. there will be some kind of russia, but it

will not be. the russian federation will not be a russian empire in any way. - in any case, i am only for the people to democratically determine the future of russia, at least definitely to make russia safe for the whole world. there is no whole world of security for russia, and this means a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons, and then you can develop, live, work, trade natural resources and non-natural resources , including me, and now we have one more video about mobilization in russia, and there, you know, he is trying to prove to the audience, and to the listeners, first of all, in russia, solovyov, the need for this mobilization that you see very many people want to go to the front, but they are not allowed to go there, let's see, well, there are always young people at war, but in our country now, i understand everything , the political situation, personal fears, somewhere , something, well, how many guys who

are currently undergoing military service say, well, listen well, you're playing povyvat, well, we've been preparing for six months , we can know, we know our there, let us go there to the kemerovo region, how many days ago did a train come and there were refrigerator cars filled with the corpses of russian soldiers and i think that knowing this, understanding this situation, even more so after learning about the make-up about explosion zaporizhzhya in the kherson region there , er, in several villages, hundreds of russian soldiers were also destroyed in the barracks. it is somehow very difficult for me to believe that here the soldiers especially say, yes, as long as you can, let us go there. we also want them in packages on yolke-shpalke, this is ours there, mr. volodymyr. as you know, it’s just interesting here how much more they are ready to abandon mobilization on this and when when will the stop-cock of russian society work if this stop-cock exists and the understanding of how i recently listened to a russian who also told on the air in one of the bloggers and said that if

he attacked russia, he would go to fight like his grandfathers. of course, he is for putin somewhere, but he does not want to fight because no one has attacked russia , this realization has already reached him this one came stophan generally exists in russian society in relation to the organization and these inglorious inglorious and sometimes gratuitous deaths, well, theoretically, there can’t be infinite patience, some in russia say yes, well, the people, well, before the party, now putin is as united as ever, yes, and that it will always be like this, nothing always happens and never, therefore, in this case, i think that there is already a dilemma for putin, er, it first manifested itself in the autumn in october , so when the first wave of mass mobilization was already underway, there was er, well, there was an increase in tension in

society, er, and the further will increase mobilization and i think that new waves of mobilization are inevitable, well, it is predicted, and well , putin has no other logic, otherwise he will lose the war in ukraine, therefore, mobilization will continue, but the larger we are on the scale of mobilization, the more the tension in russia will grow, another thing is impossible to predict someday is this stopcock working or when will it explode? well, as the russian classic once wrote, it is a senseless merciless russian riot, and it may explode, but it is impossible to predict it exactly. i agree with what mr. ilya, now the main point of tension for putin is the situation of the departure of the elites. they are more realistic about the fact that russia will lose this war. they see problems with putin because the fact that he does not communicate

is blocked. - and the presence of uh in the presence of a large uh number of people well, but there are definitely problems, problems either physical or mental uh, it's very obvious that he is afraid of his surroundings, that's why he sets up and constantly changes this system of restraining counterweights, who raised by prigozhin and now he is bringing this general back again, and his lapin privozhenska was allegedly dismissed with a tree and on prigozhin, even though the resignations of nato, and let's say it like this, sets medvedev up for something, even the whole of russia laughs at him, then he again strengthens him there, sends him to the seat, gives him some kind of a new position, but that's because putin doesn't trust anyone, and the tension has existed for years, and

they feel that putin is really not the one now, or that the situation needs to be changed somehow, they really don't know how to change it, but i think that you russian situations can develop more quickly , more controversial, definitely, but this can become a trigger, a trigger, in particular, to changes in society itself, so that for putin, the risks come from below, in connection with the continuation of mobilization, and from above, for the elites, who already feel that the situation is developing in in a bad direction, and something needs to be changed, if not putin himself, then the situation around putin , so you know the risks and problems for which the putin regime will face much more in 2023. i think this is my personal the opinion that putin, in principle, the problem of his rule is that he did not become such a unique figure. he repeated hitler in many ways, at least in his war

against ukraine and annexations with the invasion and everything else. he repeated stalin in many ways in russian politics, but stalin was much grander, smarter, more predatory than putin, well, at least the last few soldiers passed through, he was a robber, a bandit, he led regiments to war and the capture of the tsarina, by the way, he also stood near lviv here when we went to warsaw in the 20th year and then someone always repeats, and here is such a war that he offered his own. well, to be honest, i did not particularly see this either, you know, the expectations from this year from the war can be different and everything can and will be decided on the battlefields, but there are moments that just happen and simply because time has passed in this, i will take two sentences very briefly and read my very favorite novel by gabriel gassius marquez, the autumn of the patriarch, it begins there with such beautiful words at the end of the week vultures flew to the balconies of the presidential palace with the blows of their beaks, tore the wire nets on the windows with their wings, stirred the time that had stagnated inside the house, and on monday

dawn the city, which had been burned for hundreds of years in a lethargic sleep, woke up. to enter the palace and we did not even have to storm the half-collapsed fortress walls that could not be measured. armored wings that in the heroic days for this house parts were subjected to cannons how they dissolved one moment greatness here is this patriarch about whom marques writes, she fell and the people went there where before it was necessary to storm and beat and the same by the way, it can end, of course, not without the help of the armed forces and with the direct participation of the armed forces of ukraine and all of us and our partners in the west. this struggle can have the effect that in one moment this era of lethargic sleep and fear can end and this palace will fall before the feet of people like you. by the way, mr. ilya

and many other russians. is this possible or how will there be any signs? i don't want to reassure anyone that let's wait for when it happens, maybe it won't happen . and to you, mr. volodymyr, literally, for one and a half minutes, please , the main thing is not to leave the situation to such an escape that everything will happen there exactly in the direction that we thought, because if this palace is vacated by mr. putin because of one or other events, then the people who go there they may come in and we won’t like them at all, and that is why we need to manage this situation on our own. of many ukrainians,

let them be there themselves later. no, it will be a huge danger for ukraine, we must take the initiative into our own hands, mr. volodymyr, please , literally, also translate one and a half minutes in the political sense again, yes recalling the russian classic, putin is already a living corpse so far in the political sense, but i absolutely agree with what mr. ilya said, and we should not rely on the automatic development of events, now we need to develop a strategy for both the west and ukraine, the russian opposition, what to do with russia in order to mini- viky post of putin's development uh and what to do with russia even if ukraine comes out well, the most optimal winning scenario comes out in the corridor next year anyway russia's problem will remain and that's why now i think very the question is relevant. this is the development of a strategy in relation to the post-war development of russia. well

, actually, we have almost run out of time. i will not ask questions because there is no time to answer them. thank you very much . i thank you very much, volodymyr fesenko, the political scientist who joined us and, er, for your apt comments, we say goodbye to our guests, we have literally one and a half minutes left. by the way, i advise you to read literature and marquez, although, again, marquez is such a figure quite controversial on the one hand, of course, in the chernobyl lavry, the person who, they say, created magical realism in literature , in fact, magical realism in literature was also created by mykola gogol, but in any case, who, with his works, autumn of the patriarch and forties of solitude and the colonel, no one writes and is the best in the world's drowners, love during cholera and many other works of his, he charmed the whole world of the branch of columbian literature, although he wrote in spanish. well, there is no colombian language and it was published in argentina, but this is a person who is very active supported, let's say, fidel castro. and in general his communist ideas, i don't know for what reasons

or maybe there were some financial or political issues, but he also had this in his life. that's why, but read the literature. there is a lot of it, you know what happened and we can understand what is and is better to understand myself and what will i say now i am not reading the novel a woman in berlin it has no author but it is the diaries of a woman who experienced the russian soviet invasion in berlin at the end of the 1945 war a very interesting very interesting experience well and rereading many other teams thank you for being with us , subscribe to our channels in telegram, facebook, youtube, like, share, subscribe to my vasyl zima page on facebook, write your suggestions, wishes regarding the topics of our conversation. victory, because we have to reach it, if it wasn't really difficult for us well, extend the deadline my colleague serhiy rudenko, the program is the verdict and serhiy congratulates, please yes congratulations to vasyl we will start in just a minute a conversation with volodymyr ogryskomu in the verdekt program