a century ago, without noticing it at all, that 's what she was really, well, well, i don't want to continue the topic i started with, but uh, real history writes about her exactly in this way . actually er, er, er, how should we perceive all this propaganda, it's a typical lie, it's a typical edition of wishful thinking - it's a bleaching of that er black that will never be white er, so i wouldn't particularly react to all this propagandistic tinsel that launched from the moscow channels, it is aimed exclusively at the local population, which is toothless and primitive-thinking, so there is no other option here, and there can be no other option. i actually

, uh, what i wanted to ask you, mr. volodymyr , is this isolation that russia has fallen into, uh, well, there are several versions why did russia get into this isolation, firstly, that putin and the fsb did not calculate the consequences of this so-called special military operation, in other words, a military invasion of the territory of ukraine, and secondly, that putin and his team actually tried to create such a well, the option is the light option of north korea, which is very good for them. well, they created their concentration camp somewhere in the russian federation, they are the ones who manage this concentration camp, well, at least now there are still opportunities, there are people, uh, fully controlled tvs, how much do you think about them? has the opportunity to develop this version that

they did not miscalculate and secondly what is this russian federation and this isolation that it is predicted well you know about this already uh we were saying the same thing putin miscalculated in all uh so tell your e-e directions what he is considered er-e really er-e achievable er-e starting from er-e reaction to his aggression on the part of western countries and ending with the fact that er every ukrainian citizen er-e well almost everyone because unfortunately we have er-e collaborators but this is a separate story, but 99% of ukrainian ukrainian citizens, decent citizens of ukraine, will fight against russian aggression , he didn't think that, he didn't count on it, he thought that he would pass ukraine as he

once came to crimea. pain-free if uh then that time the leaders of ukraine well, with the exception of one person who insisted on uh-uh armed uh- armed resistance uh-uh well, if the government at that time uh-uh had been decisive and understood the intricacies of this unarmed surrender, i think we would have avoided a lot of negative things, but unfortunately history there is no conditional way and we have the situation we have today. and in relation to the other, putin is possible and would like to build in russia this north korea number two well, but still, it is difficult

and it is difficult to overcome even this delusion propaganda because, well, some element of reflection still remains in these heads, and although i constantly read two russian publications on and uh, the most popular of them, uh, there still slips through from time to time some more or less healthy opinion that this adventure will cost russia dearly, despite the fact that the vast majority definitely supports this course tells that we will win at all levels praises putin, but especially now somewhere quite critical things do not appear then some blogger will write an unconventional opinion for a russian political beau monde, then some actor will give an interview

, which causes fever, which undermines internal stability, and so on. does this mean that they can change the situation as a whole because at the moment no, but if uh this clique of putin uh will leave uh or it will leave most likely so it is better to say uh some moments of this uh -e insight of at least some part societies will take place if the west puts russia under real control, as it was over, say, the western parts of germany after the second world war, then well , then maybe some transitional options can still be seen. but i repeat once again, my opinion is that

strategically in russia has no chance, it is doomed to disintegration because there has never been a single empire in the world that would not have disintegrated , it is true that russia is specific, but it is the same as any other empire, it has its beginning and its end, therefore it is possible to build different designs but it seems to me that it is necessary to look deeper into the objective factors and build your policy on them, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks, for those who are watching us now live on youtube and facebook, please put like this video on youtube, we are conducting a survey on the right, you can see this survey , it sounds like this, will putin's death change russia, yes, it doesn't matter, and also your option, you

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me, the warsaw pact, and you can still say that putin is still trying to keep the leaders of the former soviet countries for in order to demonstrate to the north atlantic alliance that there is also a military-political bloc here, the prime minister of armenia, nikol pashinin, stated that armenia is not going to talk to the russian federation on the subject of language due to the need to open the lachyn corridor. corridor and became the reason that yerevan said that we will not conduct training in the dkb on its territory. the lachyn corridor is a corridor that azerbaijan and armenia actually argue over. in this luchyn corridor, there are so-called peacekeepers of the russian federation, watching how putin is still trying to maintain this structure. well, it is quite strange, but after all, it

exists, and the country has taken on some obligations and adheres to these obligations . what do you think about the situation around the odc and the same the cis and the same union of belarus and russia, it all depends on putin for now and with the departure of putin, everything will collapse like in the old house . in reality, they are managed by the russian federation as it wants without paying attention to the needs of its participants, it violates its obligations, it does not consider itself really responsible for those things under what are the

signatures of the russian side and the other side and so on these are moscow's political projects in order to hold on to something to decide to try to keep the post-soviet space under its uh certain control, this control is now decreasing uh just uh at a crazy pace because if uh putin is publicly told in his face that uh treat us aeneas post-soviet mythologies and what about normal states, well , this means that even in these countries, which trembled before problems, and continued to do so, by the way, well, in recent years, the same thing happens in the first it's time for mental changes, they understand that it is impossible to wait for protection from russia, it's a joke, and the example of armenia speaks of this

very, very eloquently, if the president of kazakhstan publicly says that we will not recognize your pseudo-republic there because it violates the fundamental principle of international law and so on and so on. well, this means that here too everything is hanging on by a thread, and if, or rather, when the putin regime scans, believe me , there will not even be a trace left of all these so-so pseudo-formations. uh, he will immediately go somewhere in history forever and they will remember it with a smile and what kind of counterbalance can we talk about if ukraine alone, being a member of the alliance, actually demilitarized the russian federation. if this country is our

country, which is not a member of the alliance, it has been holding defense. and i very much believe that the russian army will soon show what the use of real nato weapons is. what we talked about with you, mr. sergiu, at the beginning of our conversation, believe me, after that, allow the paradigm with the kremlin, chief no one will be a subordinate because everyone has understood what russia really is and that it is a country that does not think about anything except its own interests in relations with others. there is no equal partnership . therefore, as soon as putin's conspiracy

disappears, the ideas about the union state, about the dcb, about this, about this, about this so -called commonwealth of independent states, and so on, will disappear just as quickly. what is dead, well, we cannot be alive. yesterday, the secretary of the security council of the russian federation, mykola patroshev, once again voiced the kremlin's lie that russia is not at war with ukraine, he began to talk about what you see, the united states of america is killing two friendly peoples, to confirm his words, patroshev began to voice the propandist mandry about the fact that ukrainian traditions are close to the people of russia is not his conviction, nor is the heritage of the russian people inseparable from the culture of ukrainians, well, in a word, petrushev and this entire kremlin team. they are trying to present a war against ukraine as a war against the whole world or at least a war against

nato or against the united states of america is not according to your opinion, they do not sincerely believe that they are fighting here with nato or are they just trying to explain to the domestic consumer to the domestic consumer why what kind of war they started it nine years ago and it is still going on on ukrainian soil. i recently saw a video where the sakhalin psycholinics, in my opinion, or kamchak, in my opinion, sakhalin teachers know how it is done at the children's soviet matinees, they stand and read some silly poems, sorry, about the fact that they support this war of aggression, they say that one of them, at least, is talking about the fact that khokhlov's run and fight

saves russia, and it's not only in that case, there are, in fact, a huge number of such people, and by the way, these very russian publics are saturated with this kind of statements, we who from time to time jump up and say that hatred of ukrainians is behind what patroshev says is an attempt now again after all, to find some other loophole so that somehow it is possible through us, through ukrainian society, to influence our government, so to speak. well, we started to ask questions in a softer way, well, this once again proves that the kremlin's eyes, they do not understand what they are actually talking about, they have killed themselves in my head

that er ukrainians are them and we russians are ukrainian and that's why we're just a little er clumsy sorry i'm a little abnormal and that's why we need to be brought up in this way everything will be fine and then we'll unite again and there will be no more such ukrainian-nationalist excuses, as they say, well, this is a trend that has entered the heads of russians, for a very, very long time, they grew up on this, and several generations believe that this is exactly how it is this is not putin's war against ukraine, this is a war of russians against a ukrainian - this is a genocidal war of non-extermination of us ukrainians as an ethnic group, as

a country, as a nation. the problem is that this internal audience perceives such things in fact, as a pure coin, they also believe that we need to be utilitarianized, we need to be 11-tified, we need to be nationalized and so on and so on. this is what russians will have to live with for the next generations and pay for this shameful position this payback will definitely be eh and we now actually have to think eh how later with eh generations eh to make so that from this eh this eh amount of the people , at least some cells should be formed

of common sense, in which they will reject this chauvinism, this racism, russian fascism and finally gradually return to common sense, because for now it is the same wild horde that lives in the illusion of some phantoms that it cannot still refuse to do so. by the way, the tragedy is the future tragedy of the russian population. because it will be a very painful process of returning to normality , mr. volodymyr. i will also ask you about turkey, because literally a week ago, the president of turkey, erdogan, spoke on the phone with putin and was going to lead talks with zelenskyi, putin told him

that he is ready for so-called peace talks , which, which, with a certain peace, if ukraine resembles that, as he said, reality is territorial reality, well , what is meant is that putin has bitten off a part of ukrainian land from us, and quite large, the president of turkey is clearly living in anticipation of the elections on june 18 this year, the presidential elections of turkey and parliamentary elections will be held, he needs russia , the situation and trade with russia are quite difficult is of great importance for the russian federation. turkey is a window to the world in one way or another, but that erdogan is one of the world leaders. well, at least his country is a member of the north atlantic alliance, and for putin

, this is also a way out in the current situation. b v turkey in this situation, to play somehow differently or traditionally turkish diplomacy and turkish politics it well, it is always so uh ambiguous because on the one hand uh turkey supplies weapons to ukraine and on the other hand it is ready to sell uh, russian grain or russian gas to europe and other countries of the world, uh, you see mr. sergey, i think that uh, erdoğan, uh, really implements uh, the course that for him personally is the most profitable and for him the principles in this case, they do not play any role, who will give the money, he and a friend. so formally, he declares that ukraine

must restore its territorial integrity and, at the same time, is ready to be a mediator in negotiations that are, well, from the very beginning, absolutely meaningless, well, in which a ukrainian politician will agree to that to recognize these so-called putin's jokes about the need to take into account modern reality well, it's clear to a schoolboy that such negotiations will never take place, and erdogan understands this perfectly, but he needs his own political reserve for that so that the turkish society sees in him a world leader or one of the world leaders talking about the fact that turkey is doing everything possible for the war to end, because what person with common sense will say that war is usually good of course everyone will say that

war is bad because it brings the unhappiness of death and so on and so forth, that's why my leader's desire to end the war is definitely very positive. well, the only question is on what terms and what will happen after the end of the war on unfair terms, but but this part is definitely not discussed anymore, only the first positive one is taken and this is the basis of the whole policy. to position oneself as one of those world leaders who participate in the solution, including such a knot, well , this is very positive, so i think that we should not expect anything else here, this is a typical

use of external factors for domestic political issues -e dividends that artigan is counting on and until the month of june, we will hear from him more than once that he is ready to spread all turkish carpets on all possible turkish roads in order to meet dear guests and offer them the formula of mir is great understanding that none of this is visible, mr. volodymyr. and that the leader of china is ready to spread all the jin-pin eh for putin because on the eve of the new year there was a phone conversation or a video call eh putin and putin said that the leader of china is going to spring to russia i understand that he submitted it so that it seems that china will support russia, what does this mean for us.

here, i think that instead of thick carpets , there will be a thin mat, you know, because this is exactly what it is. -e will not give e-e such for na any timetables, he will not risk his economic stability, which keeps the regime, including the same patience on the surface, for the sake of something ephemeral in the context of helping russia. lines in helping russia, then very serious negative consequences are waiting for him and he understands all the stops very well, we have already discussed many times that china's economy is

tied to the western economy and the severing of ties with the western economy will mean e a real and very fast collapse of what china has today. that's why none of the mats that putin invites him to for synthesizing are interesting politically, yes, practically. no, that 's why i think that here we should forget what you are throwing is also very carefully monitoring the situation with the potential future schedule of russia because he has very clear ideas about which territories should immediately go to china because he considers them illegally captured by the russian federation and there further as bloody luck i think that too much support for russia is not beneficial to china

from either side, and such a rather cautious political reaction so that it does not oblige him to do anything, but practically no, i think that this situation will remain in the future. thank you, volodymyr, for participation in the program i wish you good health take care of yourself and your loved ones see you in the next broadcasts, friends, this was volodymyr ogrysko - a politician-diplomat, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009, we remind you that we work live on the espresso tv channel so, please, if you are watching us live now on social networks , like this video, subscribe to our social networks, and you can become a sponsor of our youtube channel under this video, there is a sponsor button, you will find detailed instructions on how to help our youtube channel, we we will be grateful to you tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. in the word program, there will be sbu major general

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