it's important, let's get to know each other. and i also note that today at 7:15 p.m. you will have an exclusive interview with kostyantyn zhevago in the program vasyl winter's big broadcast 7:15 p.m. tv channel espresso watch antennas thank you for your work thank you for your work khrystyna well, we are now we will pass the word on to our colleagues. and you stay with the espresso tv channel. see you on the air. glory to ukraine, this is a verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko . good day and good health to all. today , january 11, is the 322nd day of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers. zelensky deprived the ukrainian citizenship of medvedchuk derkach cossack and kuzmin, the head of the european commission and nato are in favor of the transfer of leopard-2 tanks and other

necessary weapons to ukraine, the final decision will be made at the next meeting of the rammstein group on january 10. strikes on the territory of the ukrainian state, meanwhile, the russian army continues to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of january 11, russia has already lost 112,960 people in ukraine in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 490 orks since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 394 tanks, 6,159 armored combat vehicles, 2,078 artillery systems, 437 rocket launchers, 217 air defense systems, 285 aircraft, 275 helicopters, 4,826 units of

automotive equipment, 17 ships, boats, 323 winged aircraft missiles, 1862 drones, 184 units of special equipment, therefore, according to the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, russia is closing its borders in order to conduct the large-scale mobilization of putin's godfather in ukraine was stripped of ukrainian citizenship viktor medvedchuk is no longer a citizen of ukraine well, the kremlin is lying about soledar - these are the main topics of today's program , we will talk about this for an hour i want to introduce our first guest - this is major general of the sbu in reserve viktor yagun p generals good day good health to you and thank you for joining our program yes good health so, yesterday, january 10, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelensky , was deprived of the citizenship of ukraine by state traitors victor medvedchuk taras cossack andriy

derkach and rinat kuzmin we will hear from zelenskyi we are putting materials that were prepared by the security service of ukraine and the state migration service of ukraine and in accordance with the constitution of our state i made a decision to terminate the citizenship of four people derkach andriy leonidovich cossack taras romanovych kuzmin rinat ravliyovych and viktor medvedchuk volodymyrovych, if elected officials choose to serve not the people of ukraine but the murderers who came to ukraine, then our actions will relevant and this is not the last such decision of the service, the speaker of the parliament ruslan stefanchuk said that the verkhovna rada will soon deprive the mandates of people's deputies viktor medvedchuk, taras kozak, andriy derkach and renat kuzmin. so, generala, the first four from the opposition platform are

deprived of ukrainian citizenship for life. here a completely logical question arises whether means that now medvedchuk cossack derkach and kuzmin will not be responsible for treason, because how can you be responsible for treason before a state whose citizen you are no longer? such a legal case. when they committed the crime, they were citizens of ukraine, that is, legal practice has no feedback, it's one moment and another . that is, there are a lot of nuances, so i think that they will be punished by a court - a court punishment is definitely unavoidable

. another problem is that they will be outside ukraine as non-ukrainian citizens and ukraine even in the status of they will be convicted, he will not be able to demand their extradition because they are not citizens of ukraine, unless they simply committed a crime on the territory of ukraine, it will have to be seen whether another country they will try to come to will decide. i am not talking about russia, russia has understood at this stage it it 's such a dark dark story and a closed territory. well, for example, if you ever go on vacation, they'll try somewhere in dubai or something like that somewhere, that's why your story with the same teddy bear and skunk and proving the facts of their cooperation with the russians, because they did not even hide the fact that they were flying to moscow

, communicating there with representatives of the russian government, which at that time had already carried out aggression against the ukrainian state. why did they get to medvedchuk and derkach so late? well, we are the same rhetorical question . now they have taken on the moscow patriarchate, political will, everything depends on political will, the time has come, there are documentary confirmations, there have been political wills for a long time, and so on. no more than 20 years ago, on the audio recordings made by major melnychenko or someone in the office of the president of ukraine, leonid kuchma, derkach sr., who then headed the security service of ukraine, reported to leonid danylovych and said that we have data that medvedchuk was once an agent does

he remain a kgb agent under the agent name sokolovsky? what do you think, mr. general? could viktor medvedchuk have been an agent of the kgb since his student years, when he had problems with the law, among other things, when they beat another student there during the dnd and in medvedchuk had certain problems with studying at the faculty of law. listen, this is not even discussed among my personal friends. these are the ones who know the heroes of ukraine. myroslav simchycha, his son ihor, in order to enter the university , had to hide his origin and go to school you understand far beyond the borders of ukraine, and in the fourth year they calculated and tried to calculate his stay and tried to calculate from the university

. university, and here is a person who was born uh, well, in whose father was exiled as a member of the oun as a guide of the german occupiers, he was nominated to the north , he was born there uh, already in the north, and here he enters the best university at the best, the best university of ukraine for the best specialty about the day this is at the shevchenko university, well, listen to such coincidences, it simply cannot be unambiguous, he was managed by the state security committee since those times, and what is the fact that he took part in the harassment of our dissidents, and not only stus, but also others, this is another confirmation that everything he did he did according to the instructions of the kdb, well, more precisely, he was the lawyer of vasyl stus on behalf of the state, which was appointed by the kdb in the process

against vasyl stus. volodymyr zelenskyi andriy derkach, we know that the sbu accused andriy derkach of being in charge of the intelligence network of the main directorate of the russian general staff in ukraine, which was supposed to seize power in ukraine, and we know that the ball is the son of the chairman of the security service of ukraine that he graduated from the academy of the fsb of russia in 1993, i specially looked at his thesis. well, what was the name of his thesis, it was called the organization and holding of a meeting with an undercover agency, well, that is, he had a diploma in the agency, he represented the agency at the main directorate of the general staff of the

russian federation is in ukraine, please tell people like derkach, taking into account his education, of course, taking into account his connections , was there any interest of the ukrainian special services before, or was he like that a skinned man who walked with a parachute behind his back around pechersk and everyone just watched well, derkach went, it's a skunk, listen , let's say that he studied in the goose and graduated in 1993, it's not about anything at all speaking in general, i can name a lot of names of deputies of the verkhovna rada, former deputies of the verkhovna rada who graduated from military universities, universities of special services, and more well , already already for modern russia and not just patriots, they have shown with their lives and their position in life that they are patriots

ukraine, therefore, this is a different situation. he was from the very beginning somewhere , you know. once upon a time, until a certain moment, a tree can grow normally and then go somewhere to kosovo, so for sure with this person, if he grew up in a family from the very beginning, where is the russian world? and everything related to the soviet union was valued much more than ukraine. and everything and everything that ukraine gives. it is clear that others could not be, and therefore when they were given, when there was information, it was necessary to follow that information, of course when dad b you are the head of counter-intelligence of ukraine, who will follow you or collect information on you, this is not even discussed, it is a different matter when he actively began to work on the plain of opposition to ukraine and trying to destroy it as a state is a completely different issue i have repeatedly heard from people who communicated

with him directly and tried to hmm still raise the issue that some activities of this person simply go against state interests and they said that we were inspired by certain moments the deaf wall is not a misunderstanding, it was about the same, and i emphasize once again that it was about the same wall that related to information about the anti-ukrainian activities of the moscow patriarchate, where there was political will, the information was about this so -called three-color parachute, everyone knew, but the decision was made to put no one dared to go back to their places. thank god that we lived to the point where it became the norm, and i hope that we will rid ukraine

of those well, i'm not saying canned goods because canned goods for the vast majority have already exploded and the fact that the cooler ones are hidden somewhere and we will be digging out for more than one year is clear, but i hope that we will still reach the level when they definitely will not be able to influence our fate who influences our fate that former members of the ukrainian communist party although i believe that there are no former members of the communist party of ukraine in the parliament , they were and remain associates of viktor medvedchuk, who is accused of high treason, but they are still sitting in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, they renamed the faction of the communist party of ukraine to another name. they dissolved the opposition party and became renewed deputies , but these people continue to vote for the laws for the rules by which we live in ukraine, well, in fact, they were elected from the pro-russian force and remain in the verkhovna

rada of ukraine. should put an end to this story with opzzhists because it is clear that when lawyers refer to the effect of the constitution on the norms of the constitution, it looks like it is right on the one hand and on the other hand it looks wrong that during the war it is legal for this this society for ukraine, those who are open collaborators continue to write, as i completely agree . unfortunately, no one really predicted that we would end up in a state of war and some legal norms. well, they simply do not foresee a state of war and in those moments, which must be adopted already now and very quickly and once again i want to emphasize the same parallels with the moscow church when the

question now arises that during military operations we have no right to break some arena relations there or let's see or let's do it anyway according to the law. let's pass some kind of law, you know. well, what happened to those deputies in the past, they were supposedly against ukraine. and now they are all so redrawn that an immediate decision should be made regarding these priests, and in the online mode, non- stop, you know, today they made a decision , tomorrow they voted the day after tomorrow, they closed this topic. well, because there cannot be a fifth column during the war in the verkhovna rada and, roughly speaking, in the minds of our people, that's why i hope that we will come to that the moment when decisions will be made very quickly and efficiently, are they suitable or not

according to the legislation, listen we live in real time during the war, we will then figure out when we will win and what according to you, mr. general, the status of the russian orthodox church in ukraine and in general should be should this church be in ukraine , considering that the sbu is now quite seriously dealing with those who serve in this church? well, of course, you are right about the fact that this church was and remains a church that influences the minds, we see that this church has not taken the side of the ukrainian people in this difficult time, although perhaps the main task of the church at this moment is to give shelter to ukrainians to ukrainian defenders and support them, or should there be a church? well, i i don't know, maybe there are some

marginal ones in the form of a marginal sect, because people still go to the moscow church after the war, despite the fact that they say that they are open collaborators and traitors. i think that a law should be passed to prohibit the activities of this structure and implanted in the body of the russian orthodox church on the territory of ukraine, it is necessary to fight not against the priests who are trying to give guardianship over the minds of people there in terms of religion, but what their leadership and their activities, including commercial ones. by the way, why are they all why are they all clinging to this? first of all, it should be stopped on the territory of ukraine , and clearly this structure itself in ukraine

has no chance for the existence of the right. of the russian empire and created an independent state very quickly, literally in the course of several years, a decision was made and part of the orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, which was on the territory of poland, became a polish church, and no one now has any claims and no one is looking for russian churches on the territory of poland, although a significant number of the population who was orthodox there then, it was ukrainians and belarusians and nothing. for some reason, the patriarch of moscow does not make any claims there. i think that this topic should be closed and we should move on for example, the same latvia that prohibited the legislative level of the existence of this church , a notary public on its territory and asked for clarification on how to proceed to istanbul

to phanar to bartholomew. i think that this is a decision will be made by the moscow church in ukraine, in the form it currently exists, it cannot exist in any other way, that there will still be certain cells, well, what are you going to do , we have always had marginals who try to hide somewhere in the ashes, but it is definitely not necessary to make martyrs out of them, everything must go to very clearly according to the legislation and it can be done and done very quickly why drag this decision i do not understand especially it can be adopted in the verkhovna rada especially since the draft law has long been prepared and supported by the committee meanwhile metropolitan pavlo of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate who is the abbot of the kyiv-pechers lavra and who is better known as pasha mercedes said that the authorities gave

part of the kyiv-pechers lavra to a schismatic, as he said, and the holiday itself, but he is not yet ready to give approval for the fight against the state to its parishioners is meant paul says that the exploits of the believers of the moscow patriarchate are yet to come, we will see paul the schismatic, the self-saint, the schismatics, this is filaret, it is the holy epiphany for the divine service , they have already announced to everyone that they will bring people from all over our country, this is one more time and they will pay as they told me even from other cities, there will be some kind of sum so that they do not go to the service with us.

they had automatic weapons, they had pistols, they armed themselves against their people. i am not so stupid that death will bless your body, not yet. время какой он хочет а и будет еще много вределит еще не время pasha mercedes said, and this is also, in principle, a very big signal for the ukrainian authorities and generals, because in principle well, it is not known at what moment er-e rpc yake yaka is currently there in kyiv the pechersk lavra in the pochaiv lavra, among other largest lavras of the ukrainian state, how can they work for the fsb and the russian federation according to your opinion, is there such a possibility that the parishioners of the moscow patriarchate, which is now hiding under the name of the ukrainian orthodox church, can be

used for some internal motives or for some internal disturbances of the federal security service on the territory of ukraine, this is definitely a possibility , and experts and representatives of the special services say that the danger of riots with the use of church e- e church line is very, very large. i was surprised when they did not react harshly to the so-called march when they tried there from the khmelnytskyi region, once there were 5,000 people there in pochaev. i still raised this issue and said why why this the column should not be let through some checkpoint with a document check, in particular those young people who are there in this column, what are they doing

? why are they not on the register of the military commissariat, where are their documents or at all? they have ukrainian citizenship and so on. and so on. i think that after those such legal there would be much less actions of the government, those who want to go with the hurugas and the non-existent church in ukraine, and those are all the fairy tales about how all of us can gather. this is just as huge a huge fairy tale. this church without the support of the government simply cannot exist, their basis is that what the authorities supported them at all levels, including the local ones, who allowed them to do things that were simply incompatible in other churches. well, just look at what was happening in one of the territories of eastern ukraine i don't know, of course,

the priest of the ukrainian church could stand with his hands in line asking for permission for the land and for the church to build a church. and their kiosks appeared in the most interesting areas of kyiv without any explanations and without any permits. do you understand this? always was and when will this church finally be separated from the authorities when every person who is related to the law enforcement agencies to the e-e special services to the authorities who is sympathetic to them will be thoroughly checked for the subject and what are you doing there and the user and really support this church i i think that this situation will change very quickly, and let's remember who actually owned the pochaiv church, the pochaiv lavra, until the time when the moscow church came there, it was not orthodox at all, and you understand, let's raise historical issues

truth and giving these hearts to those to whom they actually belong by historical right, general. please tell me, did you slander about the fact that the russian orthodox church in ukraine is still a big business, you mean all these yaks that are in the laurels and are still there for sale is not long enough and quite fundamental such a condition of the stay of this church in ukraine for 30 years, can we talk about the fact that in this church business , which is not customary to talk about, but it is that they were interested, including representatives of the government, well, under yanukovych - it is clear that he tried to redeem his sins there and quite often went to the kiev-pechersk lavra that held what held what held the moscow

church all these three decades that we lived differently with the russian federation outside the borders of the soviet union prestige prestige and business prestige because in this way they tried to show what they could do those close to power and you are close to the church that is in power and business because what we saw on the surface is only such a small top of the asburg you understand. according to rough estimates, in the best of times, they transferred up to 11 billion euros to moscow, 11 billion euros from ukraine per year, and the word to moscow from our church, well, from our people, eh, and this well, not only the donations of people, but also that business and business was very serious , including the transit of cigarette smuggling, the alcohol business, the alcohol business

, and other aspects of covering up the church in some industries in the new territory, illegal migration, and many other aspects related to, including from using church buildings in completely different and not in church e-e affairs. that is, this is a huge, huge business. if we undermine this business structure, it will be a huge blow, including to the russian orthodox church in muscovy, because the foundation of this church was, after all, ukrainian without the ukrainian church, and if there was no russian empire from ukraine, then without the ukrainian church, the russian orthodox church cannot exist in its foundation. they have two times less parishes than all the parishes in ukraine against the background of what is happening now in

in ukraine, the security service of ukraine conducts counter-intelligence measures in the government quarter of kyiv, let's see how it happens and what the representatives of the security service of ukraine explain about these measures . measures take place in cooperation with the security service of ukraine with the department of state security of ukraine, the national police and the military service of law and order in the armed forces of ukraine goal - this is a check on the strengthening of the counter-sabotage protection of important state objects, as well as the improvement of the security of persons for whom state protection is carried out. this is especially important in the conditions of the armed aggression of the russian federation, which is trying to destabilize the situation in ukraine in any way, mr. generals, with the beginning of the great war, starting on february 24,

we were witnesses about how numerous drgs who were in kyiv for a certain time, obviously they came earlier, how they tried to work, in particular , around the capital. is the sbu carrying out er according to yours, are they connected with the fact that er, russia is still trying to activate saboteurs, whom the sbu may not see now. maybe they are sitting here and continue to sit and have not shown themselves since february 24 on how much does the fsb feel free now on the territory of the ukrainian state, well, the fsb feels very arbitrarily counter-intelligence measures in ukraine are quite strong and strengthened and we can see this by er, not because so many are captured or detained there, but

because they do not manage to implement these or the other subversive er your desires we do not have extraordinary events related to sabotage with sabotage we do not have any er infrastructure explosions there not with the help of drone missiles, but right there on the ground, you understand we do not have detonation of military depots and headquarters that is, this everything in the complex and says that after all the special services work at a decent level eh one of the moments that eh can be implemented during control measures in the government quarter is the implementation of operational information and its verification verification is possible only when all are involved. well, you and all, no, all means exist and all