the conditions she has now here in practice, she shows her capabilities that she can and uh, i want to say that these are good, good equipment, good guns, well, the tanks will be fired, well, literally just yesterday, at the end of this thesis, you could have put a question mark, but today it seems we can state that the

tanks will be the president of poland andrzej duda during his visit to lviv said that kyiv is receiving a company of leopard 2 tanks from warsaw within the framework of the international coalition, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi and the president of poland andrzej duda met in lviv today the president of lithuania is not on our side, yes. and so, if duda promised to provide tanks to kyiv, then the lithuanian president, on the other hand, announced the provision of anti-aircraft anti-aircraft defense systems to ukraine within the limits of military aid. when this aid is given, tanks may end up at the disposal of the ukrainian army . we will talk in a few minutes well , returning to the meeting of the three presidents in lviv, she was followed by the correspondent of radio svoboda galina tereshchupina joins our broadcast galina my congratulations tell what was the meeting like? as far as i understand, it was not announced in general. what was agreed upon? congratulations, actually. congratulations to all the viewers. i, the listeners of radio svoboda, were really not announced. not even the three participants of the three

presidents of this speech were announced, and that was the secret . rather, that is, without announcements. but that’s not the case. less, the most important topic and the most important statement was that poland decided to provide leopard combat tanks to ukraine, because ukraine has long been asking the west to provide their combat tanks, and most often the name leopard actually sounds like this german-made tank, however, on january 10, a representative of the german government stated that germany is not ready to provide ukraine with these tanks because it will consult with nato allies . and great britain announced that it is ready to provide ukraine with its challenger battle tanks , but france and poland, one might say, are pressuring

germany somewhere so tolerant, or diplomatically, so that it delivered its tanks to ukraine today, angeli duda stated very clearly that poland has decided to provide a company of tanks, we are talking about 10 such leopard tanks for ukraine. in general, the polish army has more than 200 leopards in service today, and this is what angeli duda said, the president of poland is listening live language, we decided on the transfer of aid to ukraine from poland, a company of leopard tanks will be provided within the coalition because, as you know, it is also necessary to fulfill a number of formal requirements for approvals and so on, but first of all, we want it to be an international coalition, the first group of leopards together with other types of tanks, i hope, will be provided by other countries very soon. in order to strengthen the defense capacity of ukraine, after the briefing , i am in contact with a military expert, and according to his

estimates, the decision to supply leopards to ukraine will most likely be made adopted during the meeting in the rammstein format, which will take place on january 20 in germany, meanwhile, in response, the president of ukraine thanked andrzej dudi and then expressed his hope that after all, ukraine expects these battle tanks, they are very they are needed because the potential of ukraine is very important today - these are ukrainian soldiers who protect the security of the world, and therefore, as president zelensky said, do not feel sorry for the tanks, give them to ukraine, president zelenskyi will not be able to help us because we are fighting with a thousand tanks, 1,000 tanks, and it is clear to the russian federation that our people and they have already shown everything, there is nothing to talk about, they are stronger even than russian

tanks, but nevertheless, it seems to me that our partners should feel sorry for our people first of all. this is the treasure of the potential of this negotiation war and not to pity this or that number for the transfer of tanks of our country. i think the same way and i see it will happen. i emphasize once again the positive decision on the part of my polish colleagues. we are discussing with other countries . one important signal, at least we expect a positive response from another state regarding the supply of modern western-style tanks . the presidents of poland and lithuania very clearly stated today in lviv that they have received support and will support ukraine continues in its fight against the russian aggressor because they understand what world security is and who today guarantees this world security. also today it was discussed that poland and lithuania support ukraine in its

efforts to become a member of the european union and nato, but the president of ukraine talks about what he expects from the nato summit in freedom, which will be held this year, about the fact that there will be statements without promises, but still important and clear statements for ukraine, since ukraine's accession to nato and the prospect accession to the european union are very motivating factors for both ukrainian soldiers and ukrainians in general today, and president english duda and volodymyr zelenskyi, after the meeting of the official meeting, they visited the lychakiv cemetery and honored the soldiers of the polish army who died in the ukrainian-polish war war of 18-19 years and also visited the graves of the soldiers of the ukrainian galician army, and this is evidence of the fact that despite the fact that poland supports ukraine , it is ready to continue to support everything

after all, it is a historical problem, it still remains in the context of ukrainian -polish relations. thank you. i have everything. halyna tereshchuk live from lviv was tuned into the air freedom life halyna thank you very much well, i will remind you if you watch us on the internet and freedom life is broadcast live on facebook and on youtube, on the pages of radio liberty , like this broadcast and support our work in this way, and traditionally, you can leave questions, remarks, comments in the chat under the broadcast. andrzej duda said that warsaw decided to transfer the leopard-2 tank company to kyiv as the government of another country of great britain confirmed for the first time that it also plans to provide tanks to ukraine for financial assistance. when they can end up in

ukraine, and how many are we talking about, we will talk about this later, the deputy chairman of the board of the center for defense strategies, the ex-deputy minister of defense, joins the broadcast alina frolova of ukraine good evening good evening so polish president duda said that warsaw is handing over a company of leopard tanks to kyiv, our colleagues said that it is about 10 . ukraine, well, i definitely won't specify. because here it is necessary to understand how much is being transferred there. i think that it will be publicly known after these tanks appear in ukraine, ah, so, how long, it's also difficult to say, because obviously these tanks are available. we don't know if there is already a delivery schedule, we don't know how long it will take to prepare the documents, poland is such a very serious

lobbyist and relayer of our interests in europe, so i think it will be quite fast but a company of tanks is really not a critical model of supply and we need to expect a larger number in order to be able to develop some lines of attack or perform some other tasks that are provided for in which general staff i i just want to remind you that valeriy zaluzhny clearly said in one of his last interviews that he needs 300 tanks. and the expert we talked to during our broadcasts said that the western leaders were supposed to give ukraine tanks a long time ago. but each of them was afraid to do it first and what is today's step by warsaw or maybe berlin, because the tanks are german, it is precisely he who will break this psychological barrier, which

i have been afraid for a long time to break by western leaders, or do you support this thesis well, it really is every time such a crossing through some psychological barrier that exists among western politicians, and again, coming back to this, it is very important when sweden or poland or other countries that can do it try to lobby for ukrainian interests and cross this psychological barrier because indeed, if there is already one delivery of supplies, there is one type of tank, then the reason why another type of tank cannot be delivered disappears, and we remember that the same developed with the artillery in the case and with some more with long-range weapons and with ppu well, if you look, for example, reviews even three or four months ago, it turned out that it is impossible to install pto, er, patriot, and

it will take a lot of time, too much effort, these are red lines, now several months have passed, we already have a patriot er, which should be installed soon on the territory of ukraine , so yes, it is indeed a psychological barrier that needs to be changed, which our partners, all our diplomats , military personnel who work on this front manage to change, and this a very positive sign indeed and what is this? yes, i still can't understand the nature of this barrier or the nature of this fear. what's the point of being afraid to give tanks after hypers after javelins after patriots after these light wheeled tanks eh what is this fear is what it is caused by. people have lived for many decades within some framework of established politics. well, for example, the same germans or the same japanese, they lived in a completely demilitarized society where

it was believed that participating in any war is the wrong way. the root causes are clear it is clear what the historical context is under this, but these are people who grew up, politicians who grew up with such an opinion that you cannot participate in war, you cannot support free people in any context, and for them to generally go beyond this understanding that you can participate in war on the right blocks, yes , you can maintain the right position, this is very psychological, well, if i don't know there , what kind of society did you grow up in, i don't know, they eat borscht there, but nowadays the saints understand that you can eat a shield - this is a very big step go ahead and in this case well, it really takes time to change this policy, it takes time from the american and british partners, we had to get the understanding that they believe that ukraine can win, that

victory is possible at all, that this investment will not , uh, be lost. yes, we saw the example of afghanistan for them, afghanistan was a very serious problem when they invested a lot of money and as a result received the surrender of the country to anti-democratic forces literally there in a matter of hours, even at the bottom and in order to to protect themselves from such a scenario, they actually watched how it would behave, that resistance began in us, mass resistance began, resistance of the army began, resistance of the people convinced them that it was possible to move and gradually they did not move, the same thing happens with the germans, with europeans, they are more advanced the leaders there who can quickly change their positions are, unfortunately, conserved, which are within the limits of which they are used to functioning and it takes time to change their approach, and as for the three

tanks that i talked about in the head, it is necessary to understand that he was talking about tanks for a specific mission, that is, there is a defined mission. he was talking about the fact that in order to fulfill the mission, we need either only equipment or there are some other approaches, and that's why well, this is also such public pressure on decision -making and that's why i think that even if there are experts there who believe that it is too much, i think that it is not worth discussing, especially in the western press, and we need to maintain such a position in order for us to receive as help more equipment that we need , and now if today this psychological fear or psychological barrier regarding tanks has been removed ukraine can count on the readiness of other countries to also transfer tanks well, today, by the way, great britain somehow happened by accident or not by accident after duda's statement, the british government said that it is possible to supply challengers to ukraine

everything there will already be such a number of countries that may announce such a decision, i think yes, there are many. i think that the british are ready to give any equipment for a long time, but they still have such a community which determines the general behavior and in this community a lot of people look at the connection of the united states of america and in this community a lot of people look at the decisions made by france and germany. and now this european monopoly has at least already been broken and there are many countries, well , it was poland, which was the first to actually say there a month ago that give the patriots of ukraine to ukraine publicly-western countries, she changed the situation politically, even if she did not have such sufficient political influence, she was still with the situation has changed and we actually see that the patriots have left

and the british coordinate their policy in many respects - this is again a historic partnership with the united states and in some situations if there is no decision by the united states it is difficult for them to do this due to their partnership obligations and therefore if conditionally speaking, to make a decision that i confirmed the connection of the united states that germany confirmed i think that from britain we can expect quite significant help in various positions of the addendum american tanks of a positive there is no solution yet. i think that the european decision to make is again our european policy and let's say it is not only european but euro-atlantic policy, it is tied together by such thin threads without agreement without coordination with key partners, such

decisions are not made. i think that the decision regarding we saw how germany intervened for the reasons we talked about and that germany finally agreed to such a supply, it means that germany was put under such a strong pressure that they were some the arguments that were received i'm absolutely sure that part of this pressure of arguments was the position of the united states that's why there's a thaw they will now look at the reaction they will now look at the use further i think there will be different types of what about the armaments we need alina thank you very alina frolova, deputy chairman of the board of the center for defense strategies , as the deputy minister of defense of ukraine, was on radio svoboda, no longer citizens of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyy terminated the ukrainian citizenship of the representatives of the banned armed forces viktor medvedchuk, taras kozak, andrii

derkach and renat kuzmin. the presidential decree appeared the day before, now still active people's deputies must be stripped of their parliamentary mandates. what are the grounds for terminating citizenship and what accusations are leveled against these four politicians? iryna sysak will tell what we will discuss after that. the opposition platform for life of the currently banned party in ukraine, the president personally confirmed this in his address on the basis of the materials that were prepared of the security service of ukraine and the state migration service of ukraine and in accordance with the constitution of our country, i made a decision to terminate the citizenship of four persons derkach andriy leonidovich cossack taras romanovych kuzmin rinat revliyovych and medvedchuk viktor volodymyrovych and

our actions will be appropriate against viktor medvedchuk taras kozyk and andriy derkach as early as 2021, the same year medvedchuk was suspected of treason and sentenced house arrest among the charges is also aiding terrorism, an attempt to steal national resources in crimea. illegal seizure of a section of the state oil pipeline . further, with the start of a full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine, putin's godfather disappeared. the sbu detained medvedchuk in april last year. he did reach moscow in september 2022, when he was exchanged by ukraine during the large-scale exchange of prisoners, taras cossack, who was called medvedchuk's right-hand man, escaped from ukraine on february 24 - this was investigated by journalists of the scheme project he was the owner of the zik newsone and 112th channels, which at that time were also under nsdc sanctions together with medvedchuk. in

2021, kozik announced suspicions in the castle of looting national resources in the crimea . already in 2022, sanctions against the people's deputy were introduced from the usa, this is aiding the political goals of the kremlin , accusations in 2022, the sbu suspected him of creating an agent network of the russian general staff that was supposed to help russian troops seize ukraine. derkach received at least $500,000 from russian intelligence and security forces were reported to the nabu and sap in october for high treason and illegal enrichment, the highest anti-corruption court of ukraine arrested in absentia the wanted people's deputy andrii der kach is also under us sanctions in the states he is considered a long-term agent of the kremlin garnet kuzmin, during yanukovych's time, the first deputy of the prosecutor general viktor pshonka of ukraine is still a people's deputy from the outlawed ukrainian communist party - he was charged with treason in october

2022. law enforcement officials accuse him of spreading russian narratives of the formation of anti-ukrainian sentiments to the detriment of the country where the suspect currently resides. the council plans to strip the mandates of these four people's deputies already at the next meeting , the leader of the servant of the people faction said, according to the constitution of ukraine, loss of citizenship is one of the reasons for the termination of parliamentary powers. we will discuss the parliamentary mandates of representatives of the banned psg with a political scientist. political scientist oleg sahakyan joins the broadcast. good evening lying down clear criteria and why exactly these four gentlemen are left without ukrainian citizenship, well, the opz faction is big, and these four are so far people's deputies. they are not the only ones who

have not been in ukraine since february. there are also natalya korolevska, there are men, yuriy solod, vadim the joiner, oleg voloshyn. well, too by the way, they are not in ukraine, there are many questions about them. and why are they still deputies? they are depriving four of their citizenship and mandates. and those or not ? do not need objective criteria, there is information from the special services, and accordingly there is a submission on these surnames, and based on them, the president makes a decision on the deprivation of citizenship , that is, formally, let's say, there are no criteria, informally, the key criteria are public demand and who are sufficiently toxic famous and bright figures which such a decision will be perceived as legitimate in society and which will satisfy the public demand , therefore, in principle, these figures, i do not think that there are any financial or other issues, they can

to be, but they are definitely secondary here, if he is the third in line, first of all, it is that all these surnames are familiar, what is it about them that this is an opportunity to seize the initiative now? ah, guardsmen or representatives of the resorts of collaborators and traitors of the homeland from whose zone will be so and so with a stroke of the pen, the issue is actually resolved because here the president simply took it and did not use a scalpel, but took an ax and decided the question of rupa, is it good or bad? i think that it is and not good and not bad. on the one hand, this has its positives, because there was a public request, the verkhovna rada thought for a long time and did not make a decision. and the president decided to intercept the initiative, that is, here the political struggle is internal, it is also present, because the opposition has already begun to communicate this issue quite brightly and loudly, but on the other hand, this kind of mechanism raises certain questions for me because, on the one hand, you know how in that joke, when i'm not there, they can even

beat me, well, they took away my citizenship, and that this is a form of punishment or restoration of justice, what is this, actually, there is little behind it from the point of view of justice, for justice , it is necessary for the investigation courts to work, and accordingly these people were fried like snakes in a frying pan from the fact that their assets are being seized , they cannot leave russia, that they are afraid that they will be extradited or the losses of russia, they will be dragged out by the ukrainian special services and will sit on the dock, and extradition will be involved for them if they appear in some countries that have an expedition agreement with ukraine, that is, they do not have to feel at least comfortable and to understand that justice will be achieved , citizenship does not solve this issue in any way, and the second is that it is a rather selective tool, extraordinary, it is absolutely legal. if we talk about the procedure, the president really has the right to it, but it is still manually controlled

and therefore the question if these people are now deprived of their names, but if these surnames are taken, they are brighter and better to choose, it is even difficult. i think that if the question arose now, would it not be possible to return it? even this decision for them would be supported in society, i think they are idiots, but absolutely absolutely . of course, there is still the question of who will criticize if the opposition of petro poroshenko's camp raises this flag, then he immediately mentioned saakashvili because he opened this pandora's box to the truth , he opened the first box earlier poroshenko, but in relation to those who acquired ukrainian citizenship and had it taken away from them, there is another korban and in between there are other surnames under which this has already happened. therefore, this is also not the first precedent. but nevertheless

, this practice itself is quite threatening and needs serious vigilance as an extraordinary one-time or several- time action limited in time and space, it is a possible tool, but definitely not as a cancellation and not as a permanent practice, but olezhe has already partially answered my question because i i wanted to ask if it is enough to simply take away the citizenship of people who commit serious crimes against the state, isn't this a kind of gift for these people, well, they took away their citizenship, they have another israeli or russian one, they will travel to turkey or the arab emirates well, what is the matter here, and the second question that arises for me is that all these people have some kind of wealth in ukraine somehow, or at least this same thing has not been communicated, what will happen to their wealth, and where is the guarantee that their wealth will really be disposed of in their interests the state, if something was taken from them there and not some other corrupt officials, well, they simply appropriate the paintings from the

living room and the teddy bear or marchenko’s fur coat and so on, there are no guarantees in history, you know such examples, starting with the fact that and these characters can leave behind possibilities manage their property indirectly well, okay, they are citizens of another state as non-residents , for example, or it could have been transferred to other persons if they were warned, for example, that this would happen, and i think that they knew plus or minus, what was there time to prepare for on this day, eh, some people who, due to their proximity to these fortunes or powers , etc., can take it and simply write it off, can prolong their opportunities, and such a story knows who, it is trivial to steal a -a but if we talk about the mechanism itself, then most likely the key main line is that these losing ukrainian citizenship hm losing the status of a deputy because this is primarily done for the sake of it, the question immediately arises as to what citizenship they have if this

citizenship of russia and these people are accused of subversive activities regarding the ukrainian state and statehood. well, then they will be involved. the same norm that applies to other property of russian oligarchs, russian agents of influence, etc., it is simply taken into the property of the state, and i think that in terms of their property, in principle, this scenario is the most it is obvious . well, what do you think the next ones will be, if we take into account that it is prohibited because, for now, it is possible to ask society to do something with these four, perhaps the brightest ones. well, but there are also others. well, let's be cynical to a certain extent, but since it is happening in ukraine, now they will remove sociology, they will see how society reacted to it, they will understand whether this is enough or not enough . there are more such characters, how to act in relation to them, and some of them

are trying to come to an agreement with someone. well, at least they will rush to come to an agreement, or will they be ready to come to an agreement with them from the authorities? we'll find out, we'll see, the investigative journalists will show it, ah, of course, in an ideal world where unicorns and pink ponies live, of course no one would negotiate with them, and the ukrainian fida would come after them all well, but we live in ukraine in a far from ideal state not an ideal society, which, uh, is already crazy about efforts and demonstrates insane success and progress over these 30 years, which some have written succeeded much longer than the conditions in which we found ourselves at the beginning of the restoration of independence, so here without any illusions, you can miss that everything can happen. therefore, it will be necessary to observe, and in a different way, i think that the deputies are now very serious about the commotion and someone will try to either get rid of the mandates themselves so that the car does not repressively pass over them, or run to negotiate

, or they have already emigrated to in principle, for them today this issue is not urgent . it will simply be an inconvenience, just like there is for another turkey, i will only add that our part of the psg remains in the verkhovna rada. well, if there is indirect evidence that they are help the servants of the people to vote on a number of laws, thank you very much oleg sahakyan, a political scientist , we talked about the prospects, there is a ban on the opzh in ukraine, more precisely, its deputies, i traditionally remind you to subscribe to the pages of radio svoboda in social networks, as well as on youtube , radio svoboda and radio svoboda ukraine, two channels and until tomorrow cinema, television , sport