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sponsor and become a part of the community with a ukrainian point of view , we continue the television broadcast on the espresso channel, it will be tonight with my participation next week, we hope to see you here in mykola's studio in september. so everything looks optimistic from this point of view, and let's hope that the future events will also look optimistic that you and i are discussing events at the front, an event that should lead to our victory before the end of the war that the president of the russian federation , vladimir putin, started against ukraine, our

the first expert, oleksandr, analyst of the defense strategy center for foreign and security policy, diplomat, advisor to the minister of defense of ukraine. greetings, mr. oleksandr. good evening, panel. well, let's try to talk first of all. what do you think is happening around soledar ? a small town, how should ukrainians evaluate these events, please, you know , there is a map on the internet that shows the decrease in the appetites of the fuhrer-russian world starting from the absorption of almost all of ukraine along the dnieper, and then with access to the borders, then less and less, and now, in fact, solidar and bakhmut are two cities that are trying to seize, of course, they need to show at least some victory, because in principle they were

only showing their heels well, in fact , starting from the end of summer, there are definitely other reasons and internal spider fights, and now we see how the military, or rather, criminals in uniform with criminals, who are real criminals , are fighting among themselves. i would like to show that he is actually capable of securing at least some kind of victory, but accordingly he needs additional resources and money and other things, and what is happening there is definitely, on the one hand, a tragedy for us, because it is a difficult, difficult task, and every day our military there they are doing heroic deeds stopping these hordes, but on the other hand, this is nonsense from the russian side , they are losing manpower, well, of course, they

have never reckoned with it. here, but in principle. well, this is really such an indicator, ladies offend the principle introduced i don't know the maximum of this this is definitely what is important important let's say so i want to show at least some kind of victory for those who are now freezing and freezing in the trenches for the russians and definitely what to show that we traditionally know how this russian proverb is long-distance, fast -moving, because we were entering, we were retreating, and now we will start, that is, it seems to me that this is such a series of goals, of course they are not strategic, of course they cannot take over all of ukraine, of course they cannot even in the near future, they need to go to the borders of the donetsk region, but they need to show some success. please tell me , mr. oleksandr, in principle, how do you consider russian actions from the point of view of what they

say about all the goals of the special operation and the goals in no way it is impossible to achieve, at least from the point of view of the donetsk luhansk regions, what they will do next. when they see that, after all, it is not being created. you saw the face of this opportunity to capture all these regions on their administrative borders of man and the doctrine of mr. gerasim, of course, i am joking, since he did not write this doctrine of hybrid war, it was mr. golliot that such a respected label was stuck to him, that is, everything is written on the face that you will not do , they will do the same, throwing more people in principle the extreme right, well , the russian fascists, they are very right in that the defeat of russia in ukraine will mean the collapse of the russian federation, it will mean the beginning of, well , in fact, turmoil there, i don’t know what to call it, but it is definitely a matter of principle, because we

know that without ukraine there can be no empire. firstly, secondly, all the myths about eh mean this invincible red army are broken now, i don’t know what they call their army there, eh, of course they need to do something, and they can’t do anything systemic, the only thing left for them to do is to use weapons of mass destruction, but there are nuances here, because it is certain that the kremlin understands the consequences of this, which even sisinpin threatened with a finger . and this is not the same as listening to the europeans say, they cannot destroy us with their missile strikes, because their reserves are already running out, those that do, of course, they have something to leave for the aggressive nato and it is certainly not enough for them what they can get from their iranian friends and they cannot, in principle, scale, they can only do the same thing by trying to

change in a certain way the tactics of the tata, if not to climb on soredar himself, then try him go around there from the left or from the right flank, well , relatively speaking, therefore, i do not expect anything else, except that they will prepare new waves of us, all of them are mobilized in order to , er, mean to repeat, try to hack us again, i don't think that it will not work because not only we are preparing for this, but thank god that in the west they are also changing their approaches a little. i hope that next week in rammstein we will hear those magical words of leopard-2 and yesterday or today i don't remember i did n't look at the date of the briefing it means to white, where was it said, i apologize, that on the 19th, literally on the eve of the ramshtan meeting, mr. loytostin will meet with his german colleague, and in fact, in particular, they will talk about eh tanks,

there was such a very cool formula that others so the partners are taking the initiative to provide ukraine and ukraine with tanks. well, this is what it will actually be about, so we will most likely see that opana scholz will no longer have any excuses, er, some er, you know excuses, as we say, so informal that he can’t deliver it myself especially since poland said that it is putting together a certain coalition, the finns are ready to give there a dozen tanks, and next week, definitely the eve of rammstein, we will hear from the british that they will give us a dozen tanks, that is, this case will go and this is the result of what is happening, including solidarists, that is, our western partners, they look at what is there, but it is not. let's say that there is a mismatch of potentials, and in order for ukraine to withstand. and even more so, i liberated its territory, they need these means already. well, no, i have all the solutions - unfortunately, there

is no solution yet. -e means bradley on our e-e roads, although the russians have already reported that they have destroyed several, you know, they work so in advance. here, but let's say it all, so you can say the elements of one picture and the understanding of the western partners, what should be given to ukraine in order we advanced further. and tell me, you have already started talking about this story with grace. it is not at all understandable why the chief of the general staff or appointing the commander of all united groups in ukraine. what is the point, anyway, the generator was thrown away by general gerasimova's subordinates, and so on, well, it's difficult to tell him, you can to reshape- to paraphrase a well-known bathhouse. and you katsaps. why don’t you sit in a napoleonic bath, you don’t fit in. to be honest, there is absolutely no sense in this, eh, in what is happening, because these people showed an absolute inability to do anything or in in principle, they can't do anything, you can't change the key things, what is called,

for example, culture, i mean decision- making means the ability of the commander of lower levels to make decisions, we will say at our own discretion, horizontality, let's say so, connections, that is, all these things are comments control, which is called they are simply built on the persian model, i am referring to the times of the persian empire, and that is exactly why they cannot do anything with the other, more, let's say, they center the system which is built in us precisely because of the queue of races , or is there no sense in this, but in putin's deck there are eyes. will be the same. to be honest, i don’t understand the point of changing any positions there, but this is an indicator of the fact that the next one means that this

military chief zhukiv of the zhukovsky type was not able to do anything even when he applied this strategy of destroying critical the infrastructure in it, let's say, it was successful in doing so in syria, but it failed by and large, they will continue to try to combine fewer missiles, more drones there, but the result will be the same. and you, by the way, drew an interesting parallel with the persian model of control, by and large you see here in me, well, you can draw different parallels. i see it as uh, greek cities, in fact, you can say that ukraine was united in this war and these are people who are free, who defend their freedom and the future and actually, the taxi army is

built from various enslaved peoples, which in principle are separate, more or less capable of combat, but in fact are controlled by one person, and you remember how when dari returned and ran away, the entire defense actually collapsed, and that's why for me, for example, i i look at this war exactly like greco-persian warriors. i hope that there will be the same result as, er, this is the russian empire. the chimera empire will be destroyed. we will help them destroy what they are still going on. well, this is true as far as i am concerned. i remember. by the way, these parallels are interesting. why are we talking about them? it seems to me, if i am not mistaken, that when xerxes went on this most famous campaign of nadtyk, he gathered an army of 200-250 thousand soldiers, even 300, approximately as many as putin now gathered at the borders of ukraine and in february collected, well, for the ancient world, it’s generally much more than

there are 2300, it’s the same that now 2 million can be collected or even more. put against xerxes, but they were maneuverable. they knew the terrain, they understood how to fight, by the way, it’s interesting that these little ships were in the battle of salamis, and the persians had a huge roof, which is in the middle of moscow, that’s also interesting because that the moscup cruiser was sunk by those little neptunes, i.e. in fact, this demonstrates that everything repeats itself in history, another round of the struggle of democracy against tyranny. imagine how much more brilliant the persians were, because such a sore heel or a

sore heel of the weak head of the russians is logistics and imagine leading this army in those times, well, actually, no, you can’t imagine what distance to provide and everything from food to weapons, yes, these are the first and second. a brilliant decision was made that the walls of athens are not and that athens as a city is not important, that the athenians are important , they are not the bearers of this democracy, and that is precisely why athenians were actually transplanted to m.m. on this ship, we had a similar situation because we were told so you are building some kind of defense there. and by and large , the armed forces of ukraine retreated and destroyed, that is, it made sense. because maneuverability was a defense to draw in the enemy and then use the advantages of us who know the area are ready. actually, we are

small but more. well, i would say witty forces used it much better against this armada that was advancing on us, that is, there are a large number of parallels . it is also important, yes. and if we were just there somewhere in our steppe and about against this armada, we would not have a chance, but considering the size of ukraine and different e, let’s say lensky e, how do we say it, the words of challenge , that is, in fact, we used strong on the side of our country, you know very well that the same offensive from belarus was stopped. taking into account that we flooded, let's say, that territory, and in fact the russians could move exclusively on the roads that gave an advantage to the country. i'm not talking about the other direction, so there are parallels but key

for me, this is freedom against non-freedom, and freedom as something that people fight for themselves, for their family, for their land is realized and as from the point of view of the fact that commanders make their own decisions, they do not wait until here in kyiv to be accepted for banking there are there any solutions or air on the naval one? well, let's say this in russia, it is completely different, we understand that there is a satrab system and it causes failures, they cannot change it, that's why they have nothing left except nuclear weapons and they will throw meat and iron but in the end it will not give them anything. and tell me that the mercenaries have become so strong. also, a completely new situation for the russian army, when representatives of the so-called private military company are in the main positions, and they are everywhere, they are in ukraine, they are opening representative offices in serbia, they are in in the central african republic, they are in

sudan, they are in mali. they are now the mouths of the soul, and these are all people who graze in one way or another free from this absolute discipline that characterizes the employees of the russian special services well, you know, it seems to me that this is still the result of the fact that the russian federation is a special service under which there is a state, and at one time a russian general said that there is a prussian army under it is a state, and actually this is the thinking of the kedebists - this is the thinking of... in fact, during the cold war, and they simply made it not a point tool, but actually so large-scale, because it is definitely a private military campaign, although there is no such thing and it cannot be, it is prohibited by russian and international legislation, including mercenaries. but they tried at least at the first few moments to deny the participation of the state or any connection with the state, now they have the impudence to the extent that the same beauty says that he is sending

this mace there as a hammer in the eu, this is how they demarcated the head of one of their traitors actually, it seems to me that this is what they are just longing for and show. this connection, the second point, is also extremely important, as at one time there was, until the 22nd year, in donetsk region, luhansk region, that in fact the special services of the russian federation entered donbas and controlled and the official e-e economy and subsidies there, is this money also russian, and even more so the unofficial economy, that is, what protects what he has and actually he is imported and tries to earn in this way, too, you remember well when they were transferred there . so in syria, the americans e- they went and wanted to seize one of the oil refineries, also there are small ones and other examples where there are resources, they help all kinds of local bloody tsars , and of course they are trying to somehow influence and

make money from this, but that's why it's di- such barbarism, and even more so, the use of convicts is so widespread well, it’s generally simple, well, i don’t even know what you can call it, well , russians, his humanism is definitely an axiom, they are absolutely not comparable things, but this is an indicator of the level of thinking of these state men or how can to name them there, by the way, this is a funny joke, there were tweeters of the dark putin kgb account. he said that i should imprison half of russia and then throw 8 million russians into ukraine, and by 2027 i will restore the borders of donetsk, luhansk oblasts i was just excited about how many russians are losing these people and how slowly they are advancing to the border of these ukrainian regions. on the other hand,

i agree that the very idea that they are openly demonstrating their willingness to cover bandits is something we recently saw about the funeral of a person who killed his own mother and with the honors of a hero, this is also to a certain extent, well, how to say, the degradation of society. well, it seems to me that it's just uh, now it has become obvious, and the degradation took place much earlier , was there even a conscience, well, you know when they are happy that they got there, the rocket hit the maternity hospital, i don’t think we can talk about any christian or ordinary conscience here, yes , that is, you can’t, and it seems to me that this war is just a glimpse of the mountain and showed, well, but on the other hand, here they are perfectly remembered let's look at the history and the famine and repressions and the chechen

war, this is what happened recently. yes, i'm not talking about how moscow conquered all these to the east, to the east, these small separate princes of principalities there or khanates and other , that is, in fact, this barbarism it is in dna there is no cult in mind of course in biological terms, but this violence is natural for russia, and what about its own subjects, yes, they cannot be called citizens by and large, they do not influence the change of power in any way, and even more so, they do not have any rights. no, actually, that’s why we just saw it now, and i wish you told me about this scumbag who killed his mother but became a hero of the russian federation, well, it seems that they gave him a medal for bravery. picture - this there was a ukrainian mother who carried her son in a coffin in a boat through uh, well, it seems to have been in kharkov, in kharkov somewhere

. you know it, but there is a civilizational gulf between ukrainians, yes, and ukraine and russia as such, and definitely that well it's good that it will happen as i'm sorry for such a comparison definitely it's evil and god forbid it happens to us but it's happening the most important thing is that now we have e-e mobile phones there is the internet there are social networks there is television and the whole world sees it and the world understands what evil the russian federation is because for example, back in 2008, there wasn't so much. let's say this video. hmm, materials, and you remember perfectly how russian aggression was perceived ambiguously in ukraine, and that is, in principle, a large part sat on russian propaganda and did not perceive it as some kind of atrocity . i'm not talking about the chechen soldiers who were presented as fighting terrorism with silism and so on, that is, now this war is the most documented and the true

face of russia or russia's grimace is absolutely visible, and here it is moral to say absolutely let's talk about this, i'm already talking about the orthodox church, because it must also be said that it had very little to do with the church even before that, but after the words of this patriarch gundyaev that the one who died in this war is actually freed from what are these sins? in fact, you know it’s anathia, you know, it’s just like that, it’s a bit of a waste of christian teaching. so when you have to atone for your sins in order to get to heaven, and here you simply follow the instructions of the fuhrer of the russian peace, kill innocent ukrainians and end up in heaven, that is, let’s put it this simply, we can see the whole interior of the russian world. and in principle, you think that russian society

is capable of some sort of recovery. to be honest, i have great doubts, and for me, for example, such empirical confirmation was not even the interception of those conversations er, you mean the interveners with their families, and there was a very long interview, er, talk to or say to gordeeva, er, russian, an opposition journalist with the head of soldiers' mothers, and this woman who remembers that the times of the soviet invasion of afghanistan as they protected their sons, their husbands, and she burned, they say that she said that, well, modern mothers, they are not even ready to go and ask something, not to lie down at the breast and not save their children or their husbands , and it seems to me that this is the most important indicator if mothers - mother no, let's say it doesn't include this. well, that is, the desire to protect the most precious thing that

she has, it is simply an indicator that society is rotten and there is something to hope for. something like this cannot be, and the most important thing is that you know that putin created this russia as much as the russians wanted it . such a russia, yes these resentments, they are poisoned by the majesty of me and this election. before there was orthodoxy, then communism, now there is some kind of mixture of conservative pseudo-values. that's for sure that all these things simply show how deeply sick this sick society is, there is definitely a small layer that absolutely different. i would say that they are not russians, they are just people, and the rest are actually like that . normal people or people who can come

to their senses if they understand something, if they see the truth, there is an opportunity to see the truth even if the internet is closed or there are some pages there, there is a vpn, of course, there is always critical thinking you can definitely ask that in every especially small town, someone fought, someone died and ask the question why why yes and what about the fact that ukraine, for example, could be subjugated by the russian federation well, it seems to me that it is very simple to ask such questions thank you mr. oleksandr oleksandr of defense strategies on issues of foreign and security policy, diplomat, adviser to the minister of defense of ukraine, we will move on to our next guest, this is pavlo klimkin, diplomat, former city, foreign affairs of ukraine. congratulations, mr. pavlo. congratulations

, mr. vitaly. i want to play with you. to talk about a change in policy. if you want to start with this, this is such publicity , because as you can see now, the situation is when you and i are observing such public pressure, let's say earlier, on german leaders when at the beginning of the war, ukrainian leaders behaved like that, publicly said what they needed. duda makes public gestures with tanks, the president makes public gestures and all this is aimed directly at the german leaders , and the german ministers themselves talk about a

completely different situation . still no agreements in the federal clothes itself, why has the quality of political behavior changed so much, i will allow you to disagree with you only on one thing and i do not think that politics likes silence or it is definitely not the kind of politics that gives results in today's reality . silence and lack of publicity is actually a lack if it had worked for us, for ukraine, but it is definitely working for europe now, the second point is that the decision on armored vehicles was made earlier, now

it was either crowded or crowded, not completely consciously at the beginning, because it gives us and in addition to the fiery duck and maneuver, but this is also a very similar signal to russia, you will try to raise the stakes, we will raise them higher anyway, and the main thing is that all the talk about the fact that the west can get tired of somehow looking to the side, they actually definitely do not work, this is recognized even in moscow, and we know this from our sources, but nevertheless, i agree with you very much that there is some kind of animal fear of the putin regime, it is transforming, it is still present

, the apprehension is present, but it is completely different a form of fear, it is felt very well in the traffic, it is felt in berlin, it is felt almost in all european capitals, for example, i also feel it very clearly, and even in vienna, among the austrians, they stopped being afraid, as they were afraid, and now, in fact, the question is what are they more afraid of putin's regime or of what will happen after him, and this factor actually has a great influence on the decision-making mentality. but nevertheless, there is a feeling that the putin regime can do almost anything it wants and can raise rates as it wants with