in fact, the council decided to close the interviews, and therefore it was impossible for us to find out whether the candidates gave answers to these questions that we had and if so, what were these answers. did they refute the suspicions that we had with their answers? well, i i see that some questions were asked by journalists to these judges. well, for example, serhii burlakov is one who ended up in the higher military police, so the military police happened to us, so he visited russia after the 14th year. refers to the bible, honor your father and mother, and that is why he went to his parents, this is a quote or for example, yulia bokova, who also came to this selection, she traveled to the crimea, well , she said that the doctors prescribed a rest in the crimea for her daughter. these are the answers they received, i don’t know convincingly. this is for you or not. do you hear

me? we are in touch, i hope we will be in touch for a second. it was stepan berko, a lawyer, the advocacy manager of the de jure foundation. we talked about judicial reform. the supreme council of justice finally started working the extraordinary judge selected eight judges from among its judges, and this is the body that is actually now the main body in principle that has the ability to punish judges for their violations, to dismiss her and so on, to dismiss them and so on. and i will remind you that judicial reform is one of the seven requirements that the european union set for ukraine in order for ukraine to join the eu. stepan berkov has already joined our broadcast, stepan novy, you must have heard the judges' answers to journalists' questions about trips to crimea and moscow, you are not satisfied with these answers frankly, not to the end, because the reference to the fact that

it was possible to travel to russia before the full-scale aggression, and after the full-scale aggression, it no longer falls out, well, it sounds at least uh-uh doubtful, in our opinion, it should be understood that although the law does not prohibit citizens of the russian federation from leaving the russian federation even now, officials such as judges, first of all, they have more obligations as officials, and secondly, there is a greater risk of pressure on them or any influence in connection with being in the territory, well, frankly speaking, the enemy is not there were isolated cases when citizens of ukraine who are in no way dependent or not connected with the public service or do not hold any position in the public service, nevertheless fell behind bars on the territory of russia and were subjected to pressure accordingly, if

, for example, a judge of the supreme court e-e is in the territory of the russian federation, even if he is visiting a relative who is as close as his father, so there is a question about his safety, whether he was subjected to pressure, for example, by the special services of the russian federation in fact, with the aim that in the future already on the territory of ukraine, er, they will be used in some way, even unconsciously, very often, er, there may be cases when relatives of ukrainian officials are used as a way to put pressure on them when making some decisions. would also like to hear answers to such questions. we would like to hear from the already active members of the supreme council of justice, as i mentioned. unfortunately , due to closed interviews with these individuals, we could not hear their answers well . risks what are the risks that unscrupulous judges could end up in the supreme council of justice

and what markers will testify to their unscrupulous activity in this body, in our opinion, the first decisions of the supreme council of justice will be the markers that will show and what the direction the direction takes, first of all, is who is taken as the head of the supreme council of justice and the deputy, because if it is a person from the system, a person whose reputation is in question, then, in our opinion, this will be a signal. well, it is not enough optimistic, on the other hand, if it will be a candidate or already a member of the supreme council of justice who has shown public knowledge of problems in the judicial system by calls to reform the judicial system, this will be a signal

that the supreme council of justice is ready to take a position that means recognizing the problems and seeking decisions after all, only the supreme council of justice can cleanse the judiciary from unscrupulous courts, the second stage is the formation of a higher qualification commission , a competition is currently taking place, the selection of candidates , they are selected, the involvement of international experts, but the supreme council of justice will form the final composition of the higher qualification commission. and actually, we will be able to see whether this composition is again dominated by representatives of the system who are quite conservative and do not recognize problems, or vice versa. agents of change are those who are ready to recognize problems, seek answers and well , temporary decisions may not be popular among judges, but those that ensure the purification of the judiciary and the rule of law

which the supreme council of justice received disciplinary complaints, in our opinion, such a main marker will be the judges of the district administrative court of the city of kyiv, which has already been liquidated, but these are the judges who have become a symbol of corruption. in relation to them, practically all judges of the district administrative court of the city of kyiv have disciplinary complaints in the higher the council of justice and it will be very interesting how these disciplinary complaints will be considered by the supreme council of justice, whether these judges will be punished for obviously illegal decisions or, on the contrary, they will be transferred to other power positions in other courts in the near future, i think that in the near future some of these issues will be considered in the coming weeks, some in the coming months, very briefly, i ask you to answer the question about the high council of justice , the judges who have many questions about their integrity have been brought in. this was accidentally overlooked. is this so targeted? was there a

solution, if possible, literally 20 seconds, the ethical council checked them, according to the ethical council, their explanation will be like this, i think that otherwise they will have to find out as representatives of the public answers to those questions concerning their integrity. we will see as soon as possible. we will try to get answers to these questions. i understand you. thank you very much. stepan berko - lawyer, advocacy manager of the de jure foundation was on radio svoboda well, freedom life will be back on the air on monday, subscribe to the radio pages freedom on the internet and all the best are more correct such planes and spoke quite categorically about all

deputies from the ukrainian national security council oleksiy danilov, he stated that this the pro-russian party and called on the people's deputies to treat it responsibly and understand who they are dealing with, and in general, there is no place for representatives of the russian federation in the verkhovna rada, danilov stressed, let's listen to the people who brought the war to us here, the people who constantly looked after the interests of the russian federation here for whom putin was an idol. what do they do in the verkhovna rada of ukraine when bloody battles are going on for our country? it is difficult for me to say. of the verkhovna rada of ukraine well, in fact, for well, in 10 months, nothing has fundamentally changed. why is such a question only now? well, look at us, at the beginning, there were

completely different tasks, well, first of all, we had to defend the country, yes. we also had to pass other relevant bills and well, that’s why it was a little bit different from that. well, now i still think that this question is more uh, such a media space. well, because it finds a response, well, any of us. you ask, yes, do you want representatives there or psg in parliament all vsya well, any sane person will say the appropriate no. but again, there is a certain mechanism, there is , accordingly, a certain procedure to make changes to the constitution . but that's why i'm in favor of not having representatives of the polish people's party in the parliament unequivocally but i think that here we have to endure this faction, they can't remove it from the top from the composition of the verkhovna rada well, the law is no longer psg because it collapsed and there are, respectively, two groups on this basis e see they have vacated mandates that now, well, in

fact, there is a procedure, which means uh, according to which others follow the list, they can let them be carried out in accordance with the oath, the only thing is whether they will have wishes or will those people uh, the list they submit accordingly uh more if they have such a desire, what will it look like? well, i think that this is already a question of, you know, such a procedural technique, who will it be? i think that the leadership of the verkhovna rada will try to delay this process as much as possible. well, but the key question for me is - is to look at those people who they will want to enter uh, that means from the corresponding uh, in fact, the faction in the parliament and know that they can take away your ukrainian citizenship. well, of course, well, look here, they took away ukrainian citizenship for certain reasons, yes , that is, ah, according to medvedchuk, because there was also information the advice of the national security and security services of ukraine from law enforcement agencies. what is the information that they have other citizenships, this is a violation

that leads to the loss of ukrainian citizenship, as well as regarding kozik a-a and others of the participants, er, but they didn't lose it. maybe i missed how they will be taken by what mechanism in the end, ha, this is a good question , see er, here is the most correct mechanism, or again, if there is an objective basis for understanding that they have other citizenships of another country, this is the reason for the loss is the corresponding procedure, which was today, that is, the presidential decree on deprivation, it is still the same, or they will want to draw up a mandate on their own, or it will be a criminal proceeding, and i am not just a criminal proceeding, but already a sentence, a sentence that acquires legal force means that there is also such a legal force that is when, after the first instance, no appeal is filed, it becomes valid. yes, if an appeal is filed, it is after consideration of the appropriate appeal, and then it enters, then there is already a decassation, but there is a slightly different procedure, therefore, unfortunately well of course, you can try to do it like this, you can, let's say, make a more

political decision, yes, politics is legal, well, you can, and in this perspective, move, but you need to understand what the consequences will be, because ukraine is not russia we are a right state, we are a democratic state, we are moving accordingly to the european court. well, after defeating the european union and that's why all these court proceedings - this, well, it will be stupidity, you understand, when we are now. so we choose them, then there, i said, yes, in two years, there actually becomes we are members of the european union, and the european court of human rights issues orders for quite significant payments for relevant violations, etc. the european union we will talk more, but let's finish with this topic here. and here we must remember that in 2019 the faction of the opozh e-e formed the second largest faction in the council, 44 e-e. deputies today lost five mandates, and they lost them today

mandates very squeaky er not the first time they were able to vote and here are very revealing numbers a-ah in favor of viktor medvedchuk 320 for this there were already 317 for cossack 314 for derkach 314 kuzmin 319 and andriy aksenov who himself wrote a statement 294 what will happen now with by voting in them now in the past, the majority of votes will be lacking. hmm, no, i don’t think so. what will be lacking are the last votes, which in principle took place for all other draft laws, and there are no less than 226. there were no problems there. and indeed, some of the representatives are already in other groups yes, those from the psg they supported quite a lot of bills there, those bills that were important for the armed forces of ukraine and for the economy there, well, for many others, the issue of social security is still different, so it is not the worst, respectively, and the option maybe in this way they will atone for their wrong. i don't think

that in today's situation and in a state of war there will be any serious discussions in the parliament, because all the draft laws that are actually being considered are for the most part anti-state, and there are actually some crazy and significant discussions. well, there are none. well, there are maybe, but well, it’s not exactly the same as it was before, and now the main task behind these state votes is all that is needed, but it turns out that people’s deputies turn a blind eye to their colleagues and forget every time with medvedchuk he also went to moscow, boyko, er, there is a full photo of him, a video where he meets with medvedev, one thing is about treason, collaborationism, deprivation of citizenship, this one goes to the verkhovna rada, well, look, i absolutely agree with you, the approach should be equal to everyone and i think that should be criminal proceedings by the security service of ukraine, which will investigate these facts. yes, what does this trip mean? who did he actually meet with?

it is necessary to ask the security service of ukraine or the appropriate general prosecutor's office there. in short , this question should be asked to the law enforcement agencies because it is absolutely valid , mr. ihor. do you think we will see a unanimous vote for the removal of the mandates of the mps from the police? let's see if there will be such a thing. there will still be voting here, there will be moments of questioning look at it from a moral point of view, everyone is ready to support and absolutely all factions there are servants of the people i think there is european solidarity there is the homeland, the vote is there, and everything else. and the deputy groups are the other ones that do not concern the relevant a-a opzzh, but eh-e from the point of view of the presence of this collision of a certain legal yes and constitutionality is not constitutionality here discussions of course it may be possible to find some other form eh how will they be able to do this? but it is clear. see that now the electoral mood is completely different, and in principle there is trust in the

verkhovna rada, but it is perceived by the citizens as if they were a whole, you know . here is the body that simply effectively makes the decisions that are needed, respectively, for the countries, and here is the section, respectively, for the party. well, of course, that is completely different, and here already the elections will be held , and everyone will be in their places, but now they are impossible until the end of the martial law, respectively. yes, i am young. i hope that everyone should be aware of this. therefore, it is very tempting to wave a checker there and deprive them of their mandate, and i say that i internally support this decision. but again , questions that may arise later well, they can play worse with us , accordingly, a bad joke, that's why i would focus here, after all, on the work of law enforcement agencies, it is their task to track down a collaborator of a state traitor, or other crimes that they could commit, because well, actually, to some psg representatives were also there

and there were a lot of corruption questions about a how there and what there and where there that is why well, these are their respective zones of responsibility . so when it should give the appropriate result, there are people who, at first, do not live abroad they come from time to time, what should be the responsibility for them, this is a good question , in fact, look at the same place, there were many initiatives regarding that well, the servants of the people, by the way, yes, they gave the initiative that for absenteeism of a certain number of sessions, it means to deprive them of their mandate, but then these draft laws well it didn’t pass, they didn’t vote, they didn’t put it, and so on. although it may have been quite logical, that’s why now, well, there is no such procedure that would allow for absenteeism for er, the only thing is to issue fines, and they are allowed there wages and so on, although, of course , this leads to the deprivation of mandate, therefore, here, again, the question is not that of social condemnation, you know,

but simply understanding who are these people, why, where are they interrupted them, you can ask them the appropriate question, did they violate the law, at the same time, ask the question to the law enforcement agencies, if they violated it, then please accordingly. moreover, i understand that going to the people's deputy is also not so simple, that is, he turns to the leaders and to him appeals to the chairman of the verkhovna rada accordingly and received a business trip, too, for sure , for sure, the term, well, thank you, he can be there for three months, four months, and so on, this is already completely logical. mandate, unfortunately, to the border service, how does he leave, or does he leave for the deputies, here is how, probably, he leaves , you know, because yes, because he can leave, he can show this letter from the verkhovna rada that allows, but rather according to his own they violated the terms of their return, uh, uh, and on the other hand, we still don't have inviolability, it seems, yes, but still, the deputy uses a certain set of uh, well, such

a protection system, and here it is possible for border guards in particular. there is no possibility somehow but you have to remember that even in the spring they restricted their passports and took away their diplomatic passports in order to prevent this free movement . oblast as a non-party self-nominator and was non-partisan and was not yet a member of any committee, which is interesting. now what will happen with this mandate, will it be empty or should the cec elect the person who was in second place ? they cannot do that, it means that there must be re-elections but again, in connection with the fact that it is now er-er means martial law, these elections will not be held, that's why, in principle, this mandate will be the same according to whether the representatives of other factions should stress well, here we are we can see what, for example, is not an opzzhzh - the opzzhnik was

deprived of his mandate. i mean derkach or derkacha, there are a whole bunch of questions, i understand , respectively, the partners and so on according to the energy atom. i think there, too, they bought fb, investigating the case, where did derkacha come from? well, of course. well, you you know that there were a lot of questions about his activities, they are the ones who will play, and by the way, there were a lot of people in the management who were actually serious and very close with the russian federation, so there are questions for him, and again you know, secretly, in various conversations there, when you say it, you are squirming and understood that it is actually an agent of the russian federation, but unfortunately, for some reason, the law enforcement authorities did not act on it in time for a long period of time, he felt very well, respectively, in ukraine, unfortunately, here again still, the question remains open but again, only you understand here, you know, this is the same problem, the same illustrations, in fact, because you see, it

was not carried out in our normal form, in fact, it was used as instruments of political competition. when someone should be removed to protest when it is necessary to cover up, i did it because well, i think that we can take this question more broadly, the question is not only about the regional government, but the question about regional people of different levels and so on. by the way, some of the current people's deputies for example, oleksiy goncharenko, who is now in a very nationalistic, pro-ukrainian , faction of european solidarity, and i think that you remember the same thing. i remember very well who walked around odessa and said that there will be russian language here, which means we don't need ukrainian, and it's very good, according to the task. it's very good that he changed his mind. well, definitely, accordingly, well done, but then in whose interests was he working? yes, and shouldn't we then talk about the fact that there is some level of responsibility and for such behavior, but well, here you know, this whole enemy is actually very insignificant. i think that our main task now is to win the war, of course

, the security agencies must work, there is no need to be, respectively, an ingredient, but er, well, there must be commensurate forces of resources, which is a priority. and there is also something important. yes, but er, it can suffer a little accordingly. but of course, there must be responsibility, and i think that the level of er changes in society that now, accordingly, those requests that are there have also been implemented, and within the limits of this check of people conditionally on the integrity of their respective own state well, here you need to understand how far to check, because you mentioned goncharenko, what can you remember what happened in the 90s that open, which are you? who worked for whom and continues to work, in particular, but let's move on, there will be no deputies left. ukraine hopes to go all the way to joining the european union in less than two years, prime minister denys shmagal announced this at a meeting of the cabinet of ministers, according to his words ukraine

will prepare for direct negotiations on accession to the s. in parallel with the assessment of compliance with the adoption and implementation of european legislation , ukraine's negotiating position will be formed, which will determine our strengths, the limits of compromises as an accession to the eu will affect certain sectors of the economy and the state in general, teams of negotiators will be formed from the ukrainian side who will be able to discuss details in various areas professionally, this will become the basis for opening official negotiations on accession, we expect to complete this path in less than two years of ukraine's accession to the european union. day summit, which will be held in three weeks in kyiv, minister of foreign affairs dmytro kuleba told about this in an interview with the czech publication denik. he added that ukraine is a historic the period is ready for changes and work to speed up european integration, however, the decision to

join also depends on the political will of all members, today ukraine is doing everything to become a member of the eu in a short period of time, we have all the necessary prerequisites and potential, as well as the political will to implement all the recommendations of the european commission as soon as possible at the same time ukraine's membership in it depends on the joint political decision of all the countries of the united europe and on the advantages that we offer to the european community dmytro kuleba minister of foreign affairs of ukraine to people who are not very are deeply immersed in this european epic, it is probably difficult to understand what is happening at which stage, for example, the prime minister of sweden, which began presiding over the council of the eu, today announced that an oral assessment of ukraine's implementation of reforms for the opening of accession negotiations will take place in the spring, but the official conclusion as early as the fall of 2020, on the 23rd of the year, the summit should take place in parallel, that's why if

there is no conclusion yet. well, look here, in fact , we need to talk about the fact that there is a very intensive high level of cooperation between ukraine and by the european union, we have received the corresponding status of a candidate country, now our task is to fulfill certain obligations that they have taken on in part of the judicial reform of many other things or things that, by the way, the verkhovna rada has to vote on. many of them are further after we received this the assessment that you are talking about, in particular, means that we will officially start the process of official victories of negotiations , according to which it is not the membership of ukraine and how long he will be engaged in. well, this question can be different, in fact, what is now now there is support from the european union at the level or no less of the governing bodies charm-michelle prisula von roline there is a lot of support from the eastern european countries, the baltic countries, poland, romania , hungary, of course, but we do not count them , er, there is very serious support and the printing

of the accession of ukraine is also a change in the position of the more positive side and on the side of the french, the germans, for example . of course, the best option is when we fulfill this commitment, which we have now taken so that there is nothing hidden, but it is necessary to understand that these are binding commitments for the beginning of this negotiation. and then there will be other criteria for you to understand that if we say about nato, it is really a decision of a mostly political nature, the political will must be there for this. and the european union is about procedures, well, about values, the question of values ​​should be removed altogether. ukraine has shown that we defend values ​​with our blood. the issue of compliance with legal norms, yes, yes , and the possibility of synergy, yes, yes, between the ukrainian legislation of the european union on many issues, this is the taxation

system, some social security norms, customs history, and all this will still take some time, so that we he said today rather optimistically that there are up to 20 years, yes, we need two years, respectively, we would really like to really believe in this, in principle, we now have a good pace. yes, we have a serious and active political will, but we we have a competition that was recruited before the beginning of a large-scale invasion, and oh, look , there were many interesting moments, you remember that we were prophesied to get the status of a candidate for this, it only took 2-3 years, i said and so on. and such prospects were quite dim. it really changed for us in some parameters. it was given in advance, and on the other hand, how can you say advance, yes? if well, we have experienced so much grief, respectively, and suffering, and we are actually actually. well, not only our exact subjectivity

, yes, our right to a suitable life, realistically, if there were no ukraine, all these problems would now be in other eastern european countries. well, you can say here that we can theoretically advance, so i think that given the fact that we have absolutely clear understandings and this is a coincidence full of interests and visions of the authorities, respectively and societies, the euro -atlantic movement will be as fast as possible and as strange as it may sound, but the current situation is conducive to this. we have the opportunity to use this situation for benefit at least in some way yes in all these processes ukraine is now the leader of eastern europe yes one of the leaders of eastern europe we are listening yes everyone understands the price we pay yes everyone understands that we are europeans absolutely yes this question has been removed it sounds in the messages of many of our partners, respectively. that's why we have to use everything to press. well

, and fulfill our obligations, of course, and then we get the appropriate result, so i didn't try to give an estimate about the time, but the fact that now there are unprecedented opportunities and unprecedented movement and speed i think this is a fact. i also wanted to clarify this assessment. because we are talking about a two-year perspective until the end of the thirtieth year. different dates sound. so that ukraine could feel like a european state, and what were the tasks before us that we managed to complete by the fall, as we were asked to do, it turns out that we completed them faster than they will give an assessment of what is so difficult to assess that it will take a year, a good question, in fact, it is a matter of internal discussion. that is, they also need a certain time for that, to agree , to agree, and so on. well, it will be a very bad

precedent when there will be questions. some conclusion, so he needs some time to agree that the european union is a very bureaucratic institution and that institution that praises decisions by consensus, well, imagine reaching a consensus on such a complex topic as ukraine, yes, because , after all, for the european community and the euro-atlantic community, if a little wider , ukraine is at best a challenge. choice or is it a threat and so on. they have such a see-saw, yes, this is a pendulum. it is present, and it is necessary to work on it in a bilateral way. a task that cannot be fulfilled, and again in the situation of support from the leading bodies of this level