representatives in the temporarily occupied territories who are seen in collaboration because such representatives are, for example, in a bunch of factions or former factions that remain in the parliament, including among the servants of the people , so why exactly these factions are removed from the ether , why exactly their position should not be heard on the whole the country, well, really, ms. evgenia, i think that we are talking at all, maybe you can’t hear me or i’m hoarse, you can’t hear me , uh, we voted, and that’s how it’s happening, i even have some of this letter that sent, we now constantly checked the gram that showed the full broadcast on the tv channel, the council, i say that i doubt the expediency of the informational right, uh, yes, there are three hours of listening to these corrections, which received 30 votes each, and in writing, and all these speeches. well, i will show them moreover, in the law about the media, we adopted this amendment where er there we prescribed how the coverage of the meetings of the verkhovna rada should take place during wartime that it is

on the record and should be er programs yes and through er you know you know if if first if at first, as planned, they really showed all these votes for 200 amendments, and only then did the consideration of the removal of the mandates of the deputies from the regional elections began. it is certain that the audience would not have watched it until that moment. although i do not know whether now someone will somehow watch it separately after the fact eh and once again he will somehow separately monitor all deputies according to their interests according to how they defend whose interests eh or countries or someone else's and actually it's a good thing that happened to my eyes here is this transcript and there you can les podervyanskyi probably would have better told it, because it is not very funny, but he would have done it somehow with humor, with certain placement of accents, and then we

understood whether we wanted to vote in the end for the removal of mandates or wanted to postpone it for some other time saying that this is not the time again, uh, i understand that we are already finishing this topic, but it seems to me that this is a discussion with an analogy that they would nail a trident to the kremlin and still say that the wine is crooked well, here is a discussion about that found a legitimate one the constitutional way, medvedchuk will not go to court, he will not win it, because this is a constitutional basis , so that he is not a citizen, they set the agenda, they voted on tis there plus deputies, but it is a little wrong, and what about shufrych? he still heads the committee for freedom of speech, the resolution on changes - there was no rotation, uh, the conciliation council discussed it, but i am not a member of the conciliation council, i don't know when it will be decided, it won't be, but of course such an option can be

in the verkhovna rada can always change the governing composition of the committees. i know that it was just like that, a proposal was proposed and registered to change my own. it seems to me that mr. shufrych is now even during the war. as the head of the committee on freedom of speech, this is just some kind of bullying or some kind of misunderstanding, one of two things, but and this and that need to be corrected somehow, it's already been almost a year since the war. that's enough to have such a defender of freedom of speech in the parliament , you know, it's enough even under yanukovych, they didn't do that just ms. venetsia, you can not answer the rhetorical question. glad to have it set the agenda, but i suggest suggest the next plenary session, we will thank you, you need to elect me first as the head of some committee and then i will be

on the conciliation council, i will be able to propose what thank you, ms. oleni, in fact, for taking the time to talk with us ms. inno, thank you very much as well that's how we try to give the floor to various deputies on our airwaves, the rada tv channel for 120 million does not cope with its task, it's similar to the first one well, but this is yes, we are all here on the same information on the front eh so we are trying to hold that front, dear friends, air defense is already working and even in lviv oblast there is a hit in the dnipro unfortunately , an apartment building is just now in progress , a missile attack is being added to the news, you all presidents report that a hit has been recorded in the dnipro apartment building reports of victims currently, there are no victims. also, in kharkiv, the light has gone out in most areas, it is probably working in odesa and

, er, in vinnytsia and khmelnytskyi regions , local telegram channels also write about the operation of the ppp if you tell me, the experts reported that the russians need at least two weeks to organize another mass attack. and just like clockwork, 14 and a day have passed since the last mass shelling, and all of ukraine is under fire from russian missiles. we are monitoring the situation and will report it to you. stay with the press, our marathon continues, found a working store in three letters, the light is off, please, here is this bouquet, you are so lucky, we have it and it does not disappear, so the generator on the street is humming ukrainian veterans background money fund

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air alert continues throughout the territory of ukraine, and we hope that you are in shelters and do not neglect your safety, in the meantime, we will talk a little about those ukrainians who were forced to escape from the war and left abroad and how are they now, despite the fact that it is far known, despite the fact that they are far from their work, but despite this, they even manage to raise the economy of europe, how do they manage to do it, let's talk about it with anatoly, the winter spokesman of the migration platform and w l he is in touch with us mr. anatoly good day to you yes yes, there is probably no more important question that we all have not been asking since the first months of the large-scale war and the outflow of ukrainian refugees this is the question of whether they will return or we will return well because a lot

of children left there, and today they go to polish, german, i don’t know, norwegian schools there, or will they return to us, or will they enrich us with this new experience, or will they be lost to us, it depends on what, as their to return, of course, a very interesting question for a study based on the results of a study conducted by our ewl migration platform, the majority, the vast majority, of ukrainian refugees or temporarily resettled persons yes, yes , to the countries of the european union, yes, they express their desire to declare their return to ukraine to ukraine after the end of hostilities, the question uh, only one thing, when the war ends. this will be the main one with the wrong leader. now they live in the countries of the

european union, they will return, they will return to the motherland, part of the refugees is considering giving you another one . to ukraine, but more than half, more than half, more than half of the refugees declare that they will return to ukraine to ukraine immediately after the hostilities in ukraine end in ukraine, is it possible? what countries were ukrainians forced to go to ? they more or less found themselves and were somehow able to realize themselves that they not only receive help from the state that accepted them, but also try to earn money themselves somehow to build their career in the end , and poland is an example of this, first of all, it is known that since the beginning of the war, there are

now about one and a half million ukrainian refugees living in poland today. that is, these are the people who received the status of temporary stay, the refugee status, and half of them are in poland. these are not elderly people, but the majority of the other half. this is normal. women make up about 90%, but the most interesting thing is that almost 80% of women of working age have found and already found work in poland and are working, with estimates ranging from 600 to 700,000 thousand people, that is, we see that poland is essentially all those who want to work and who wanted to find employment in poland have been provided with such a job, which individuals can not only earn themselves here in poland and

spend this rather difficult, very difficult time in other countries, a foreign country, but also support their loved ones to ukraine and also support the economy of ukraine, because we remember that the income from ukrainian migrant workers has only been growing this year for the past few years. last year 2022 it was slightly less than in the previous record year 2021, but approximately every month the ukrainian labor grant and also temporary migrants, that is, refugees, who have found work, who have found work in the countries of the european union, in the countries of the west , send about one billion dollars to the motherland every month. let's say that a huge burden falls

on them, so if it is about their stay abroad, also help to support the opportunity to support their relatives who remained in ukraine, other refugees, let's say syria, because they immediately want to work and do not want to just sit on their necks in those countries who accept them, and i am now thinking whether these countries will again not want, or later, will not be interested in leaving such ukrainian women, for the most part , so alone in the country that they helped to develop their economy, or in the end well how then to compete with ukraine, which will be, god forbid, after the war, after the victory and here we will have to rebuild a lot and for sure life will not be honey eh how to compete with ukraine with those countries that will encourage ukrainian women to stay there eh on those calm ones

maybe not on some prestigious jobs but nevertheless, in successful countries where everything in principle in life is somehow predicted and understood and will we have someone to pay later or will we be able to pay pensions in the end, that is also from those young people who have to return it also depends on the receipt of pensions by older people, in order, indeed, ukrainian refugees differ from uh, refugees from other countries , according to our research, 63%, 63%, that is, we see two-thirds of the refugees then got to poland already at the very beginning declared their uh, their the desire to find a job, i.e. not to receive social benefits, as you said a few minutes ago, not to sit on our necks in the countries that accept them, but

to get themselves and their families, of course, some of the refugees will remain and should be ready for this, what percentage it will be, it is very difficult to say, but first of all, migration in general today, every year, every year, about 200 million people migrate in the world, about 200, about 100, 170 million - this is tru , that is, 2 migration, that is, leaving for another country for the purpose of earnings, yes, with the purpose of finding a job and supporting one's family, of course, ukraine cannot compete even with poland when it comes to average wages and minimum wages, yes, in poland, the minimum wage is somewhere 4-5 times higher than e-e in in ukraine, and in such a germany, the mortgage is 3 or

4 times more than in poland, that is, we see that this is a financial financial component, it usually works not in favor of ukraine, but we remember that emigration affects only a certain part of the population, so the majority of people want to live and work in their own country, and will ukraine be able to compete with the countries of western europe? yes, of course, it will be able to , because we remember that when the war ends and the year ends, there will be huge investments in ukraine , jobs will be created. foreign capital, i.e. unemployment from over 20%, which will now decrease, so let's remember that we are currently in ukraine with huge unemployment in poland or the countries of the european union, this unemployment is record low in poland, about 5%, such unemployment has not been there for many, many years well, still, until now, the countries of western europe need workers, but not all countries

employ refugees and migrants in general , just like in poland, poland is an exception in the european union, i want it to be the first a country that realized back in 2007 that it was necessary to simplify the legalization procedures for workers from the east, especially from ukraine, and we remember that before the war , about 1.5 million people worked in poland and they were labor migrants. that is, it was primarily those people who did not move to poland for a permanent place of formation, we remember that the migration to the countries of the european union of the migration of ukrainian citizens was always of a wave nature, so that is, people came for three months to four months for six months and returned and returned er to myself hmm to myself in ukraine a few years ago in the 19th year we asked a question in our sociological research eh which eh which formula of labor migration is

the most acceptable for citizens of ukraine and asked if, for example, a year works abroad three months works in ukraine or two years i work abroad for a year i work in ukraine and we were very surprised that it turned out that the two most certain funds for across the border and later you will return home to make repairs and open your own business, and if you are then again, then again there will be a need to return to the countries of western europe and to settle family budgets, you know, i actually really like optimism. i am very optimistic about the war, but in business it is customary to proceed from the optimistic aspect of the mystical calculations of forecasts, so if the war drags on, what should ukraine

do in order for me to lose these people , that is, are we us, i realized that we will not be able to compete in salaries. can we compete in something else, and also what to do in principle again with those children and teenagers who are now abroad because the situation is one of the factors, i hope you will agree with me, which makes ukrainians abroad dream of returning. this is ordinary patriotism love for their country and will these children remain patriots of this country very often there their own bubbles are formed. we do not know whether they did not remain because the country itself is dynamically changing during the war, or whether the small

micro -communities that are formed in emigration are also dynamically changing. social networks, culture, pop culture, and so on, so then why do we in principle pay enough attention to this, or shouldn't there be some kind of larger policy and, for example, the ministry of education, including well, these are the moments, and the main thing is these reforms which can make ukraine simply terribly attractive in order to return to the beginning of business zero, we remember that ukraine submitted an application for the 14th european union in march. as a union, we remember that this is a commitment that ukraine undertook before the european union, and it has a number of reforms, including economic, social, political , structural reforms, that is, ukraine is already approaching europe and will and will be even more so.

kishe - so much to get closer to the european union, we remember that when ukraine becomes part of the european union, it will be able to receive huge funds from the european budget. to equalize equalize this difference between er level between native life er er let's say to the old countries of the european union and the small countries of the european union what i said before er what is this marshall plan that western politicians are talking about investors, we remember that it is already clear that the countries of western europe are already calculating how they will raise the ukrainian economy, and also raise the ukrainian economy in order to create, let's say, if previously one of the important important trading partners

in general, partners er, in the east of the european union there was russia, so now nothing stands in the way of such developed partners of the european union being ukraine in the food sector and a series of heavy metals and in the history and industry of integration and with the local society, several hundreds of thousands more ukrainian children went to slava schools alone. poland alone seems to have 25,000-200,000 ukrainian children, but what i will have to accept is that they integrate very well with polish people and with polish society, that is, they are not create such closed iklavs as, for example, e-e migrants from e-e asian countries and from e-e countries of the far far east in the countries of western europe, but here i am absolutely convinced that what you said about these works and patriotism and absolutely in them i was worried about russian influence in poland and in

the countries of western europe, because now this influence is becoming more and more less noticeable, and ukrainians and russian music are no longer heard. there is no ukrainian or russian television on polish cable networks . and there is ukrainian television , that is, everything is in essence everything is going, everything is going so that ukrainians who were forced to find something to wait out the war, or wait out the war from the country of the perishing europe, the foundation is being created for them to return early after all it's too late, but they still returned, they returned to ukraine, as they emphasize once again, our technological research proves that the vast majority of ukrainian refugees will return, thank you, thank you for your attention. thank you for this answer. across

ukraine continues unfortunately, a russian rocket hit a residential building in the dnipro and unfortunately there are people under the rubble well, we continue our marathon, now we will talk with maxim dvorov , a member of the working group on writing the law on media and he joins our team p maxim good day good day actually the international federation of journalists is asking to review this law on media why what is wrong with it in the opinion of the international federation of journalists well, from what i have seen of the statement , it is actually difficult to understand what exactly the criticism is about because the theses stated in the statement of the international federation of journalists are actually not very true and these are exactly the points that were eliminated during the preparation of the law for

the second reading of the draft law, because from that as far as i remember, it says that it is possible to close the media of the court, that in principle, without a trial and without a decision on this, or that it is definitely not true , since even anonymous online media mot can be blocked only by questions such as by the decision of the national council on other issues, honestly, i do could not understand exactly what the criticism from the international federation of journalists refers to, in this case we can say that a good progressive law, i understand you correctly , the law is certainly not without its problems, because it is clear that when there are p22 that are not are inherent inherent because it is not inherent to the party freedom of speech which as of today is actually planning in the

european distribution and it is clear that we have a much greater class of complete protection of the information space and capable of this security now not all of which meet the standards of the council of europe and the standards which are fixed we still have a constitutional program with the design of the regulator, which is currently determined on a 4x4 basis by the president and the verkhovna rada, but unfortunately this could not be changed laws and how many such changes to the constitution will there be that cannot be adopted during martial law and are also not in principle the regulation of online media and print media by the national regulator in general, but this decision itself can also be justified to a certain extent by the fact that neither system self-regulation, nor the system of simply

bringing to justice by law enforcement agencies the authors of materials that spread hate speech and similar things . it is simple. unfortunately, it does not work in ukraine, and that is why such a regulatory system was chosen an option in the absence of other alternatives, in fact, if you look even at the biographies of all the members of the current national council, they in one way or another, for example, all worked in the same holding and held some important positions there, well, most of them. normal when i have full political control in essence over the regulator which receives new very serious very serious powers from a good point of view with the design of the national council that exists as of today i believe that the working group was able to squeeze out everything possible in order to ensure the maximum independence of the process of selecting representatives to the national

council in the next election of members because competitive procedures were introduced and improved regarding the appointment of representatives , the actual members of the national council are represented in the parliament, a competition procedure was introduced under the president, which in our opinion can strengthen the actual institutional independence of the national council in the future, what has happened now, well, actually, we know that the traditions of appointing representatives of various media groups to unfortunately, we have existed for a long time in terms of independence, it is remembered that there has always been, well , in fact, to a certain extent, a political compromise among the situation on the media market that has developed, therefore, of course, i am not ready to comment now on the political involvement of the current members of the national council. in principle, to one degree or another, the political involvement of the members of the national council existed for

a long enough time, however, we hope that the mechanisms laid down in the law will improve the situation in the future, in particular through the introduction of tenders and through cleaning up the subjects of nominations of political parties and factions and political parties in the parliament that previously nominated members of the master at most only literally a short note that we understand that the fragile balance that ensured if they completely this freedom of speech then at least pluralism in ukraine he applied to you on those are different representations. today, we have the risk of monopolization without having any counterbalances and we do not have a normal e-e procedure that would meet the standards that exist, for example, in the european union before which we aspire to enter and are obliged to undertake, that is, there is a certain risk here , and i don't know whether it is complete or not, for example, we can say that in ukraine

there is an acceptable situation, for example, with the functioning of that same telethon, the only news. about the marathon and here, in principle, part of the restrictions that were introduced after the beginning of martial law, i generally agree that they do not have a proper legal basis, but unfortunately , it happened as it happened, and in fact, the only thing left is to appeal certain decisions in judicial procedure regarding the short balance , i can also agree with you that this balance to one degree or another made it possible to ensure to one degree or another the neutrality of the national council, but to ensure the national independence of the national council. of the national council, which i hope will be more resistant to

certain external influences and the pressure of civil society, which must ensure that any regulators do not created some kind of arbitrary situation regarding the regulation of the media, and it seems to me that ukrainian civil society is strong enough and powerful enough in this regard . there will be another one, which will be called ukraine world news , they already say that it will be released on tuesday on the day of the cathedral, and this tv channel is made by a team that once worked on such tv channels as the 112th ukraine newsone. well, there is also some kind of inter live network i don't know what those first three are