tv [untitled] January 14, 2023 7:30pm-8:01pm EET
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and how, in principle, in general, the public mood is estimated in uh, how many georgians now agree with the position that it is necessary to introduce ourselves to russia cautiously so that there are no aggressive actions on its part. compliant yes , she is the absolute overwhelming majority of er residents of georgia supports ukraine how can it? well, about the flag in er, we fought on many balconies before the assembly of the recent assistance and so on the question is that you need to introduce yourself cautiously in general, something that is divided very seriously, because many people in 2008, many people talk about the fact that in 2008, georgia was alone in the face of russian aggression. it was really alone in the sense that during the in the first days, strangely, they didn't believe that putin was committing madness, that is, the countries didn't believe
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that putin could attack a modern country. well, this was the first president, so this attack is a hybrid war, so we have in 1989 and this is another trauma of 8 2008, but of course it makes itself felt. for example, many people, for example, even gave me a pre-representation that i want to, er, maybe we will be like mariupol. well, of course, this is nonsense, but nevertheless that's why the authorities use it very seriously , they agree, they use fear of the double, the more so . say it protects them ukraine if we had ukraine in front of russia , then there would be no problems at all, but in this case, yes, i am forced to say that there are many people in
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georgia, i will not say that this is half. well, it can be within halves, that is, maybe up to 50 to 50 / society, that is, they often tell me even this is a conversation with such householders yes, there on the street, people approach and so on, they say that we understand you, we understand what you have , when you talk about what we have сейчас есть часня to break through the civilized but this it's very risky and so on. but you have to explain to me that there is no such thing as a second chance guys. thank you for joining our broadcast about strategic analysis. he was with us and now we already have the next speaker, yuriy ignat, the spokesman for the air force command of the armed forces of ukraine . congratulations to yuriy. good evening. well, let's appreciate it. yuriy. i congratulate you on this missile attack that took place. how can you
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imagine the further actions of the armed forces of the russian federation in this direction, the option of rockets and drones? and here in the end, nothing strange happens, there is further aggression against our state, it is carried out brazenly cynically and with the use of rockets, rockets that should not be used on peaceful cities, in general, on objects attacked by the enemy that eh hmm the enemy will use price tools in order to put pressure on people on the common people and they did not stop trying to attack critical infrastructure today we saw another moment of eh from the morning attacks on there are so many people in kyiv, and media representatives also tried to find out why the alarm was actually there. it was not announced or it was but late. well, i have to explain
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. missile missiles hit kyiv in the morning. these are anti-aircraft missiles . it can be only or s400, these rockets fly at a speed of approximately 4,000 km per hour, eh, imagine so close to the border, the launcher is there, it has been left there since the night , so the installation releases the rocket up to 2 minutes into the flight to kyiv, eh, actually, eh a simple answer, what is this kind of shelling , what does it mean, and what does it mean, and what does it mean that we cannot shoot down ballistics? it is obvious that those missiles fly along a ballistic trajectory . we also have the most powerful thing, which is the s300 missile with the inscription, which can and which cannot can shoot down a priori s300 that is, it is clear with these missiles , and the occupiers are also shelling near the city
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- this is kharkiv region, mykolaiv region, the largest also from dnipropetrovsk region, this happens almost every day . to inflict, in particular, on kiev well, here the occupiers have less chance, it is clear that this is possible, this was a ... audacious sortie, so it is clear that there will be ... ... corrections will be made for further actions well, so that the enemy could not just so defiantly find from where to launch these missiles exactly over the capital of ukraine well, this day has already continued with attacks from strategic aviation and from long-range aviation, also from ships of the black sea fleet, in addition, tactical aviation of all types of missiles were working there - these are gas 101x55 caliber x22 and x-59, and these missiles were released
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in the amount of 3 seven units and 25 of them. i emphasize to the shot down that 5 of these missiles are h22 missiles, which are also high-speed supersonic missiles of about 4,000 km per one at the speed of these missiles, and one of these missiles hit a house in dnipro today, this is a missile h22 was launched from a tu-22m3 bomber from the e-e water area of the sea of azov, the mass and warhead of this missile is 950 kg, if you remember, this missile hit the kremenchug shopping center, the missile was designed as an aircraft carrier killer, that is, with a nuclear part, it was enough to launch it to the area of concentration of the aircraft carrier group in order to make a nuclear strike there, that is when we use missiles that are extremely inaccurate and
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extremely powerful. is there an s300 or a beech tree to do such destruction, this is a missile, its purpose is to hit an aircraft, some bureau of aluminum, and to penetrate it with thousands of elements, but we actually see cynicism . of course, experts can refute this mr. yuriyovych, and are you satisfied with your work today 25-38 - this is such a satisfactory statistic that it is possible to knock it down, then it is necessary to quietly otthatu 22 if we also quickly reject it , this is it from the 33s, in fact yes, in fact, this is the result, it is, unfortunately, not everything goes wrong, we see that missiles hit objects of critical infrastructure, again, you see what depends on the mass of a massive missile strike, because they attack simultaneously from different sides, they have
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intelligence data, they know where is located in some places our air defense forces do not know all the information, but they know some of it and in this way they are trying to bypass it or saw what was attacked today, in fact, all regions of ukraine worked in different regions throughout the territory of ukraine, the air command center, east, west and south worked on these air targets , unfortunately, not everything succeeds knock down, but let's hope that with the arrival of those new systems that will be more and more , we hope because what is being given is very cool systems, but unfortunately not enough, so let's hope that the strengthening will be the enemy will also happen. in this way, nothing will be achieved, we cannot talk about any pessimistic moods now, it is clear that it is extremely unfortunate that we truly sympathize with those who died and in dnipro, there may be other victims in other cities, but we have to keep the flow, we have to rally around what is affecting us. connects
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like this around our country and it is clear that we will not give the enemy any chance in order to lead us into some kind of panic mood or to force us to do something. and tell us what the western allies should do to improve this situation to close the sky, so to speak. i like to say this name, let's close the sky. we have asked since the first days, yes, and it is clear that there are certain moments and it is not allowed for each country to take its own position and so on . who today provide us with this on petriv airist himself, and also on that one, perhaps in the near future, this is a huge breakthrough, no countries in the world have such a spectrum, hmm well, there is no such type of fact in mind. and if all this will come to us in the necessary amount, therefore, we will have the most modern system for him in general in the world, because what should be done is to give more, or can they give
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more, that is another question, well, not everyone wants to expose their country completely, and the main thing is that they should give us what we really need without - there are certainly many target aircraft of western models, we are talking about an f16 aircraft, which will become part of the air defense system, or rather will supplement it in certain directions, and with such aircraft platforms, we will be able to achieve a lot, especially to destroy such complexes as s300 s400 on distant approaches from where they strike, this will be a real breakthrough when we get the aviation itself, but there is no talk of such planes even yet, but they are additionally talking about patriots, in particular, and germany has committed to us from one installation of petri is to be transferred as far as i remember, but it is interesting to yuri, how many rockets does one installation shoot down, or how to correctly measure its e-e actions, how many do we need
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for males to bake in order to fully protect ourselves with a battery, a battery is like us here we imagine batteries, yes, the battery is a full-fledged unit that can have up to eight launchers, and if we are talking about aeroballistic targets, aeropolistic ones are airplanes, helicopters, cruise missiles, and uavs, then no, it can reach them at a distance of 10 km to older people with a certain type of rockets, others, others targets such as ballistics are shorter here, the distance is 40 km, so actually each of these systems is patriot, er, this pak 3 that we want, we would like to receive from our partners, which i hope they will have at least two batteries that we are talking about now language and also in that perspective, if france and italy will provide us with it, then it is also up to 40 km. it is clear that we will be able to, well, a small part, but 40 km - it is also quite a large, well
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, large area, if brothers on the radio , so from the launch pad itself, one pile of launchers batteries up to eight, as i said, it is possible to cover certain objects of critical infrastructure power, large cities. well, usually around large cities , there are objects of this critical infrastructure , so there will be overlapping where it is most necessary, where it is determined above military military leadership of the state thank you very much mr. yuriy yuriy and the commander of the river command of the air forces of the armed forces of ukraine were with us as a line of communication well, we are moving on thank you andrii deschytsya diplomat former ambassador of ukraine to the republic of poland congratulations mr. andriy greetings good evening well, let's start since the meeting of the lublin triangle, you have been following that format, you can say from the first day of its appearance what changed during the war precisely in this interaction at the level of poland-ukraine lithuania well, i think that
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what has changed is that the contacts between the leaders of the country and the heads of the relevant departments of the lublin triangle have become quite intense, to say the least, almost daily. and this intensity of exchange of information and exchange of opinions and the development of joint positions allows us not only to receive the support of poland and lithuania but also to advance our interests in the european union and in nato, where poland and lithuania are actually members. if we talk about the last meeting of the presidents of poland, lithuania and ukraine in lviv. what do you think about it? the president of poland crossed the red line, so to speak, in the relations between the allies of female fans . when he said about the leopard, well, i think that
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poland has crossed these red lines several times, so to speak, in its relations with the partner countries of the alliance and the north atlantic alliance and the eu, russia, eh, i think that eh, after all, eh, poland plays this role of the leader of the vanguard in the countries of the police of the countries that stand eh in the eh support of which direction the coalition is directed in support of ukraine and its own e-e not only these statements and decisions that will be made in the last days and voiced in lviv, this is also the transfer of heavy tanks to ukraine, as well as lithuanian anti-patriarchal systems, this
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is the result of what is more accurately a demonstration that poland and lithuania are our lobbyists and allies for the promotion of these ukrainian interests, but not only ukrainian ones, because poland and lithuania understand very well that the stability of ukraine and the victory of ukraine will also be their victory in the european arena , therefore i think that it is necessary if these this the format of the lublin triangle should be used as much as possible to promote our interests mr. andriy but if we talk about a small-scale invasion, and until this moment during the 8 years of russia's war against
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ukraine, poland and lithuania have always warned their allies in the alliance about what russia might do full-scale aggression on the territory of ukraine and on the territory of europe, in particular and not in particular, the allies listened to and now, after all, the role of poland and lithuania has been strengthened , because of what because the world was convinced after february 24, what is russia capable of? yes, you are right, the world has convinced itself that it has seen these warnings and these signals that both poland and lithuania presented in the international arena, warning their partners against a possible large-scale invasion of russia, warning against those criminal actions of the russian army and they were justified, unfortunately, of course. unfortunately, it is tragic to talk about this, but the leaders of the european countries
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saw with their own eyes what russia can bring poland and lithuania to, in the end, as well as ukraine, their own historians know what russian aggression is worth. what can a russian boot do on the territory of our countries, but the europeans did not believe this for a long time. it took them some time to realize this and change their positions, and we see that these positions they change, they change thanks to the active e-e work and in the work led by the president of ukraine zelenskyi and the minister of foreign affairs kuleba and the ukrainian government and this minister who meet and prove defense and internal affairs who conduct constant contact meetings with their partners and
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convince them of the need to support ukraine, but also this position of the european leaders and eu nato countries has changed thanks to the active work of our partners and allies of poland and lithuania and, above all, the presidents of andrzej and the president of lithuania. andrii, here is what has happened in recent weeks in polish politics, when is there again well, this is an eternal story, bandera's birthday, as you know, the new year resembles a popular soviet film, which russians still watch every new year, and so do our polish friends every new year for a year, they have been watching how bandera's birthday is celebrated, and i thought that this year somehow, well, they might not notice it, but they
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noticed it at the level of the top management, and they talked about it again. a historical hero, well, it doesn’t need to be explained, but on the other hand, those ukrainians who don’t like bandera with all their hearts don’t like poland, there are so many problems here, it’s hard to find a ukrainian who hates bandera at the same time. the resistance of russia and at the same time inclined to the polish position in the war here it is difficult to understand which ukrainian we should offer to our polish friends who liked him 100% and i think that uh here this topic is uh bandera or does it still need a historical past a certain refinement let's say so and a certain solution, whether it will be a final solution, it is
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difficult for me to say, because it seems to me that the history that has developed between our people cannot be changed, but what can help in avoiding certain contradictions between by ukraine and poland, this is simply an apology and commemoration and recognition of those crimes that were committed, or by er, on the side of ukrainians against the poles, this is a post on the part of poland in the direction of ukrainians, and i think that when it will happen, then it will be for sure the issue of our heroes will not be so acutely perceived by the poles, and accordingly, this will not be perceived so sharply in ukraine, or the position of the poles will be more understandable in terms of their
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reaction to the commemoration of our heroes, and whether we will find this point of contact i think that for sure we will find because the situation has changed enough, as we can see now, during these last ten or even 11 months of war, large-scale issues of the historical past , even though they appear in the discourse of polish politics, but they are not a priority in ukrainian - polish relations, because in both countries, both peoples understood that russia is a bigger threat to us, and that is why we need to fight the enemy together, and not deal with the issues of clarifying our past, but i think that
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this issue has not been removed from the agenda, we need to work on it. i think that the best option will still be the implementation of this proposal, which was expressed back in 2019 by president zelensky to erect a monument to the victims of all those who died during world war ii of the world war on the side of ukraine and poland somewhere on the border between ukraine and poland and there together with everyone to honor the memory of these victims and let this monument be in front of the guard so that never more than our peoples come to confrontation but and and i will only say that the last ones, but i see that uh, our uh, a large number of ukrainians who are in poland are changing the situation and attitudes in society, including regarding issues of the historical past. and please tell me, mr. andrii, about the election campaign in
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poland. she can somehow exacerbate these problems or vice versa. i think that if there are still military actions, then i think that it will not be a priority in the political party programs or pre-election programs of the parties for this year's elections in poland . leopard tanks are all in germany, warsaw has once again put us in a not very convenient situation, but it is beneficial for us, for ukraine, just as it was with the petri systems, now in offsholtz, his government did not really want to hand over heavy weapons to us, to put it mildly. however, even vice chancellor robert gabby said that if germany does not want to sell tanks on its own, then at least it should not
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interfere with other countries. the allies are taking these steps to convince shultz that they are going to transfer these tanks to us. i am still optimistic about the transfer of heavy weapons to ukraine, especially leopard tanks, but also other weapons, and this optimism is based on the fact that negotiations that we, as the ministry of foreign affairs, we, as ukraine, and each of the embassies, have entered into since the beginning of the large-scale russian aggression, and i see how the approaches have changed and the understanding has changed, the positions in including in poland, because poland did not immediately become er, well, did not take such a favorable position regarding the transfer of its armaments
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to ukraine, it is true that from the very beginning they were ready to provide us with maximum assistance and , while doing so, created all the possibilities in order to uh, and accept ukrainians in poland myself and provide humanitarian aid and financial aid and military aid and provide a corridor through the territory of poland for the transfer of such military humanitarian aid to ukraine, but uh, this decision was not made so easily, it was not made immediately for this, it was necessary to carry out appropriate work, and this work was carried out, and again, i am returning as the president and prime minister, the minister of foreign affairs and our diplomats, but uh, as a place of defense, a lot was also done in uh, including warsaw and er, i think that actually such work and additional arguments, sometimes, unfortunately, these are er
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arguments that are er, well, tragic, and these are the victims that ukraine is experiencing and the destruction that ukraine is experiencing become arguments that can convince our er partners er, i say now the next partners are further west and poland outside of poland, it is also germany, france , spain, italy, and what these arguments allow them to not allow them to help them change their approaches, uh, in matters of support for ukraine, and this process is going on, and i think that i will give us joint efforts with our polish lithuanian colleagues and partners to convince germany in this case they are talking about if we are talking about germany and the transfer of e-e tanks to leopark ukraine that they will make this decision as far as
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the chances are now open for such countries as poland and the baltic countries if the influence really falls russia's influence in europe is increasing, by the way, today the united states is the same. i would say that the process is a two-way street, and it is always expedient to washington. -he can become the leader of eastern europe, he can become the leader of eh in eastern europe, the leader of the european union but i think that these are also chances for us because eh if we become members of the european union and we will become members of the european union in some time then i also believe that we will also become members of nato. it will strengthen. in fact, this eastern flank of ies and nato will also strengthen. and first of all, it will become
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more stable . which will go through this will go through and be tested as a result of military operations - it will bring us even closer and we have a serious chance of being a great counterweight to this old europe and western europe here actually on the eastern flank there is a senate so i think poland and the baltic countries and ukraine have a serious potential to become new. well, let's say there, if we are already talking about tigers or leopards of the european union and nato, what will they do in russia at this moment, because now they have already started preparations for the presidential campaign 2024, but at
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the same time, it is interesting to mr. andriy what they take into account in their program, let's say what they will unite putin's electorate around, since they will clearly lose and we hope that we will win and as soon as possible, how will putin then be to act i think that putin will continue to lead his er line or pre-election or general political line in the er direction that there is a threat to russia from the side of ukraine and from the west and they need to er carry out some kind of military actions eh in quotation marks, the operation eh outside of russia to save russia because there is a threat from outside and it will probably be built around this. this campaign company will forgive the defeat. i think that i think
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that if we win before the presidential election before the presidential elections, then putin has no chance will be, but i think that this is a question not only of putin, it is a question of the entire russian federation, it is not known whether the russian federation will be. so, i think that first we will wait for the victory of ukraine and then we will see how the situation in russia will develop. but before that this rhetoric of the external threat of the external enemy will probably dominate the discussion of political russia, the diplomat, the former ambassador of ukraine to the republic of poland, the former velicheva minister of foreign affairs of ukraine , we had er on the air. so i will only voice er office of the president
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