means defeat. i think that i think that if we win before the presidential elections, i think that it will come before the presidential elections, then putin will have no chance, but i think that this is not only a question of putin, it is a question of the entire russian federation. it is not known whether the russian federation will so i think that at first we will wait for the victory of ukraine and then we will see how the situation in russia will develop. to dominate the debate in political russia thank you mr. andriyom thank you for being a diplomat , the former ambassador of ukraine to the republic of poland, the former velicheva minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, we had uh on the air yes, i will only voice the office of the president, the wing of tymoshenko

, in particular, added new information about the situation in the dnipro, the number of wounded increased to 60, 12 of them were children, there were 72 apartments destroyed in the entrance, a russian rocket hit a building with 16 entrances and about 1,700 registered residents - that's 100,200 people from these 72 apartments that were destroyed, among them about 50 children, these numbers are very scary. the rescuers are focused on them, sorting out the rubble in the dark without, er, light, without any, well, normal conditions, let's say, in order to see people as soon as possible and save them, but we will hope that after all after all, most people were not at home at that time, and we will be able to save the lives of ukrainians as much as possible. well,

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country of war a series of documentary films, each of which will tell about one of the ukrainian artists artists who did not leave because the border and continue their creative path. in ukraine, the impression is that history just entered now, and at some such moment, where everything just came together in a linear way, so it happened there that we remember then, there was some kind of drag, but as if it is now everything at one moment and we see that well, everything repeats itself, but how the place and meaning of the artist and his work change. in a country at war, see in the new tv series from the studio dopnotfilm and the association babylon 13 art in a country at war from january 16 on weekdays from monday to friday at 11:10 a.m. on espresso about so that ukrainians don't think about so that they don't

talk about the first place, war, war and our victory will still come out seven days a week from monday monday seven different spheres of human activity sports culture politics eight espresso presenters journalists, experts , opinion leaders in real time about the most current events through the prism of war, every day, author's projects, most express, we continue the saturday polyclip program, anzhelika sezonka and vitaly portnikov. triangle and its results poland and lithuania , together with ukraine, met in lviv and based on the results, lithuania once again supported ukraine's membership in the north atlantic alliance. however, we remember that when volodymyr zelenskyi, as the president of ukraine, submitted an application for accelerated accession, yet not all countries are far we were supported, but 11

spoke in favor of how to work with countries that are against it, should there be some kind of strategy or with each country separately, of course with each country separately, but it is also necessary to exist in a realistic world, it is obvious that for many member countries of nato, membership of ukraine in the north atlantic alliance until the end of hostilities is not a topic for conversation at all, because in such a situation the alliance will be in conflict with the russian federation. and all the leaders of the member countries of the alliance and the president of the united states and the president of france, the federal chancellor of germany all the time and by the way, by the way, the minister of great britain and the previous and current minister of great britain, and the previous one, i have even told the previous president of san johnson that their countries are not a party to the conflict. if you imagine that now ukraine is there tomorrow becomes a member of nato in february. so all these countries become parties to the conflict. the conflict is rapidly approaching a conflict between a nuclear bloc

and a nuclear state. the third world war is something that nato absolutely does not want because they do not really understand the level of adequacy of russian president vladimir putin, which means the first condition for that for ukraine to join nato, this is hostilities on the territory of our country, friend, at what moment can the hostilities be stopped, we do not know the terms, we understand that russia is determined for a long-term conflict in this way, ukrainians should realize that it is possible to wish for the war to end in 2023 , and it is possible in 2030, because this is a question of how quickly russia will run out of resources . in one simple wall, as long as vladimir putin is the president of the russian federation, the war will not end. it may slow down if putin does not have adequate efforts and resources

for its continuation. to end at the negotiating table, they are absolutely childish, first of all, putin does not need to end the war at the negotiating table, precisely because of the question you are asking about, as soon as the war ends at the negotiating table, on any option, on any line of the current confrontation of troops 24 february state border of ukraine, there is a window for the accession of ukraine, because there are no hostilities and the russian president or someone else signs with his hand that he is not against our integration, we may be against it, he may not be against it, the main thing is what he has to say to nato that there are no hostilities, the war is over, and at this very moment, literally, he is doing it there on march 15, 23, or on march 15, 25.

it does not matter when and at this moment the president of the united states tells his colleagues that we can consider the application of ukraine, he and no, the conflict is settled. ukraine deserves to be part of the north atlantic family. if you are the president of ukraine, you aspire to it. if the president of russia doesn't matter, you need it. let them fight to infinity. the main thing is that we ensure this war and it has not ended, that they did not. donat is entering. we don't need to demand any neutral status from them, all this nonsense that we demanded earlier, well, we just need to fight with him, no one will take them anywhere, this is the first condition, which means that hostilities must stop once. the second condition, these hostilities must stop so that in the cessation of hostilities agreement, if it exists at all, i think that it will not exist, there were no promises of the natural status of ukraine, that is two-thirds that after the cessation of hostilities there was a

clear understanding of what territory of ukraine is subject to the so-called fifth article, that is, that ukraine goes to all its borders, this is clearly an international issue. what is the cause of the war, and the question of crimea will be solved diplomatically, what will they say? that half of the nato countries that do not want us to go there will perfectly resolve this issue diplomatically, and then we will consider the application because ukraine cannot be a member of nato no territorial disputes with other countries. when romania acted as a representative of the european union, she specifically appealed to the international arbitration regarding the snake island and implemented this decision, although romania did not like it at all, but

they clearly did . you are not a country, we will not fight with you later, if you want a conflict with ukraine over some unfortunate island, this is alpha and omega, and that is what we keep forgetting about means or we we are finding some mechanism together with the members over which to the territory that is controlled legitimately by the ukrainian government acting according to the fifth article is distributed and to other territory it is not distributed thus, in principle, we rule out for ourselves the possibility of a non- diplomatic solution of territorial problems by and large this is more honestly well honestly it's not real no it's a legal relinquishment of the territory we can solve this issue of territorial integrity with russia diplomatically for 250 years well, even more so now the second point is neutral our neutral status and the relinquishment of any

territory are not on the agenda. neither the ukrainian government nor the ukrainian people, of course, but everything will change as the war continues. these decisions are a decision of great perspective, and even electorally everything will change because a large part of people who are now abroad will lose interest in the ukrainian electoral field because they will already people who are now 16-17 years old get their passports, they get them in a year or two, they will be new voters, well, that is, it is already a completely different story. then the mortality rate of the elderly population will accelerate due to the war. that is, this is a serious change of mood the population and the change of oil in the politicians who will be adjusted to this, we do not know how it will look really excellent, now they

even say that oh and we are tired of the war, although even those who, in fact , are tired maybe he was not at that war at the front, in particular, on the one hand, people are getting tired of the war, on the other hand, we see that the level of reluctance to cede territory to us is growing, in addition to growing, and here, by the way, the russians themselves behave brutally and cruelly, i am not surprised by this, because they are by and large they never knew how to fight, otherwise we talked about it at the beginning of our program, they generally have the idea of ​​a war with the civilian population, but remember chechnya, well, they fought with the civilian population in the city of thunderstorms, there was a small regular army, and there are such non-rebel units, it is possible the civilian population was razed to the ground recently, this war pacified the population of afghanistan, the war with the

civilian population in czechoslovakia, hungary , what with the army revealed the army of czechoslovakia , hungary did not offer resistance at all when they entered, volya shot at the population during the second world war, they fought with the italian army, a fact, but when red army soldiers entered all these cities under the occupation of the soviet army. they killed and raped there. they wore soap for some reason. some other americans or frenchmen there are not allowed to do that. oh, they were just like that, you know. motivated by the atrocities committed by the nazis on the territory of the soviet union, well , they were all motivated by atrocities, but you don't always place atrocities on a ten-year-old girl , you understand the rape of a ten-year-old girl is not revenge, but a crime. well, i won't even explain that. of the arab army , anyone except the king feels like a slave, even for a certain general gerasim. they are not only for someone unfortunate there, private ivan who

rapes a ukrainian girl, but they are for the general harasiv and the fact that i can press a button and you will have many residential buildings in the dnipro, he feels like mozzarella in this. and so when he enters putin's office, oh, vladimir volodymyrovych, oh, the only way not to tremble is to kill, that's compensation, that's normal. i don't understand at all how it is possible to live without killing in such a country. to be honest, we saw what they were hiding with military honors, some kind of bandit, which means that you were in ukraine before that, you are your own mother, mother, this is always any human culture, a person who killed a native mother well, they did not deserve an honorable punishment. well, in russian, you can say please, please, because he later killed someone's honor. it will be possible to leave at the end of the military service, this is the

way that sweden is currently going, especially the us agreement, because the swedes see that it will not be so easy to convince the turks, and in principle, if you personally sign the us defense agreement and others, you will thus disarm countries that do not they let you join us because turkey now, when the swedes are negotiating with the united states, can think and what are we, of course, what are we punishing for, what can they get if they don't join, they won't concede anything to us, and at the same time they get all these guarantees for the sake of which security they join us and what exactly can this be, mr. er vitaliy, there are many things that it can be like in nato, in fact, they should see what the swedes sign, there should be a joint defensive defense, the most important thing is the readiness to place military bases, the readiness

placing some kind of strategic weapons there, again, the swedes have never done this, and i think that given the quality of swedish policy, by the way of swedish defense policy, there is a very effective army, a very professional ministry of defense, uh, sweden, precisely because it is a neutral country, they have always adhered to the position of armed neutrality and that's why they will do it all i think perfectly and then we can take the frames and by the way we can better because here we are actually a bridgehead against evil, and the swedes, well, the swedes, by the way, why the swedes at all? yes, it’s a role, why do the americans go there for a meeting because there is gotzler island, if you control the island of gotland, then in principle you control the entire baltic region, let’s say imagine that the russians

are capturing gotlem there, by the way, they once captured it, that's where the road is being shot at. sweden, finland, latvia , estonia, the whole of the baltic states, lithuania, if you measure the whole of the baltic states, is actually in the zone of aviation possibilities from the airfield to the islands of gotland you can fly approximately the same distance to all the northern e-e countries and this threatens at the same time also the data of germany and so that the swedes know for sure that they have such an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the center of the baltic sea, this is the very center, this is an apartment in the center and so you know what, you have an apartment in the center, you talk to those who want to rent this apartment in a completely different way, because i'm sorry, it's not a microdistrict somewhere on the outskirts . you know, it's here, it's a 3-minute walk everywhere, and it's gotman, a 3-minute walk everywhere and to

things if you are there it's just seeing how it works because and how it's always been because uh-e island what well little-known to anyone yes but the city on a visa the center of gotland with these with these fortress walls with all this it looks like a megapolis because it was one of the centers of the hanseatic league. well, again, if you are in the center of mola, then all the ships come to you just to rest, sell some goods and so on, so it was that they will leave all this profitably. of course, we do not have an island to prepare, we have a country on the border with by russia it is very important, which can destroy the russian federation, is showing success and that is why it is necessary to go at once in two ways: the first way is communication with all these countries that are skeptical, and the second way is conversations with the americans, and in the course of preparing the conversation with the

americans, the skepticism of these countries will begin to decrease, therefore that they will start to think that they should take from us what they can take well, from the catechism, hungary and turkey are there first of all, but hungary said, well, budapest , you know, is just a brake on it will be said yes, but with ukrainian it will be more decisive there will not slow down turkey , hungary will slow down there, and you understand that there will be a common issue that in any case will have to be resolved at the time of our accession to nato and hungary and, most likely, romania will demand from us to change the law on the national car, you just need to understand this what's going on, i think it's very good that the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine and romania started consultations about this legislation, because i don't think that we have this problem, that we're somehow to blame, that something's wrong, but you know north

macedonia also did not believe that it was doing something wrong, while the bulgarians and for the last 10 years said that it has a wrong history, well, it looks like schizophrenia . but at the same time, you are allowed to start negotiations on joining the european union , so how strange it looks to us we will have to solve these two issues once and as strange as it sounds now, we will have to create some kind of commission with poland, similar to the commission created for bulgaria, north macedonia with the mediation of some other countries, there should be someone else there at least in the morning germany poland is allergic to germany, but germany is some kind of country to which poland is not allergic. well, maybe great britain. by the way, it is a very good example. by the way, it is an ideal mediator, and the poles will be moved and we will be happy. a member of the european union yes, it is possible to make only random nato cases of the european union

, we will have to look for some other country, spain or not, or france, and we will have to create a commission on issues of national memory, because i believe that there is to some extent the poles will not be able to reduce the threat to too much , but they will not enter the european union so easily, especially if there are right-wing parties in power in poland, this will be another country that can slow down our steps, and despite all the hugs between the presidents of poland, ukraine and lithuania, and these there are hugs, but ask what poles and lithuanians have discussions about the national memory of history, on the other hand, poland did not inhibit lithuania's entry into the european union and beyond, but poland owned part of the territory of lithuania after the war on lithuania poland, you understand that in relation to the european union, pandya already has a normal attitude to the

issue of his joining nato, but he pointed out to sweden that it is connected with the elections in turkey, he wants to make his rating on this in some way. again, no matter how cynical it sounds, you understand more quickly in finland . well, i would like to tell you that finland has a huge experience, which sweden does not have, in adapting to difficult conditions without losing face and the logic of the legal system, because finland adapted in this way for 45 years from 1945 to 1990. before the soviet union it was a democratic country with a free market and free elections with a free press and everything free , but they did nothing to irritate

the soviet union. if there were, somehow, yes, on some such pages, the hand of the embassy of finland of the soviet union did not touch the books , was it possible to read in finland, let's say, the gulag archipelago, i understood that it was not possible no it was not published, but it was possible to read it, because you gave it to sweden, and even more to sweden, finland was an absolutely free zone of book trade, so that solzhenitsyn's novel translated into swedish and translated into finnish could get into a finnish bookstore because there were some publishing houses that were specially created for of such things to finnish publishers in stockholm, and they are such things, it is not one such book, many such literature

were published and then if the finnish embassy in the soviet union there of the passenger union leadership, the ambassador meets there with the minister of culture of finland. and this solzhenitsyn is getting married. we do n't even publish such a writer. but we are not interested, mr. ambassador. why did i see a book, well, a book? well, you know. well, it's not ours, it's the swedes and the norwegians. you could have told them . for example, we can't restrict the export of literature to us. well, you can praise the general law about the restriction of literature from other countries, well, the soviet union, oh, and it's impossible to carry the literature of the progress publisher. leonid ilyich brezhnev was published in finnish , but we had to report that we sold 50,000 copies of little earth. no, well , that's how they imagine all the time. if

you live like this all the time, i think that if the finns coped with the khrushchevs, and the president of finland at the time ears, and that means he was pouring there, he was pouring oh, vinskaya vodka, try leonid, leonid, try it, somehow, the order of white , do you want some stars there? leonid order, you have a lot of churches for finland. compared to this, the finnish politicians have not yet forgotten this experience, even the politicians have forgotten this different system will not forget that is why they play such a game that supposedly no but yes of course and where is

the concrete result ? things, yes, it is not in any, yes, yes, thank you. well, the swedes don’t know how to do that, the whole system is political, absolutely uncompromising, it’s specific. i would say in the system of morality, and if you made a little mistake regarding morality, there was a rally. i believe that it was absolutely sweden does not need where they hanged reprimands, they are already directly happy canceled the visit of the speaker of the swedish year dag to ankarik, they were against, of course, but the people, the prime minister of sweden says, you do not understand this, as a matter of fact, this is by the way and can be organized by sami you know who, just using stupidity because let's join nato, then you will be hanging by your feet on all the bridges of stockholm, and then no one will forbid you. and the prime minister of sweden

expressed his anger about this and i'm already reading in the leading swedish newspapers daggies new have on the front page that the prime minister has no right to talk like that, he can't talk to people who picket the place what is it this is swedish democracy who is he anyway what did he make up about himself why do we even we join nato, if we lose our swedish democracy, we join us to protect ourselves from the dictatorship, and we ourselves lose democracy, and this is such a difficult situation and it is very difficult for the swedes to solve it , so you absolutely understand. if in finland absolutely independent, transparent system, absolutely , but judges also go to the sauna, but swedish judges do not go to the sauna, there is no such sauna culture in sweden, at least not the kind in which

a judge could somehow end up in a sauna, well , let's say, not a judge, i don't know how to explain it, i don't i want to insult the films. no, i am absolutely not going to find out that the finnish state is not legal, because that would be untrue and finland is one of the flawless norms of democracy, but i am just talking about this flexibility myself, and the swedes do not have this flexibility. she is not there, she is not there, and how will they act, they are right in principle, when the prime minister of sweden, crystal, says that they have fulfilled everything, and turkey still demands something, then it is true , turkey set them clear legal conditions based on legal expertise, they did it legally, because she was responsible for the new norms, but when after that vardanyan says give this, give that well, they are like well

, it is impossible, it is not so easy in turkish conditions, but in swedish conditions it is simply unrealistic to prolong this process like this. she can prolong it this process until we understand what he needs. you understand. he is not putin. he knows exactly what he needs. at some point, he will either realize that what he needs will not be achieved until the end. there will be a compromise, or he will understand that if he is drag on, then the americans will sign something with the swedes, and he will simply let sweden out of his hands. here he is, holding her by the throat, and while he and you, he can get something. and if you don't say no, i'm sorry, we won't speak now . loses the only cossack who in he appeared and then i apologize sweden can become a center for the same kursk groups that he doesn't like so much on purpose and it won't solve any problems yes, but

does redugan get any political points from this or can he, on the contrary, lose now is a guess, a difficult person he he lives in the world of his own reality, what are political points? he gets political points from the fact that he destroyed the turkish economy, essentially no. but he probably thinks so. well, he destroyed it. well, by and large, he is destroying turkey's role in nato because when he made speeches with these demands, held these negotiations, met with the leaders of sweden and finland, he reached some kind of compromise, despite all the antipathies to his demand that were there among the public, from the point of view of the kursk organization, he looked like a wise politician, who you said was his concern