the project as a basis, but in our opinion it will need to be significantly revised between the first and second reading, thank you, please continue vasylchenko and galina ivanivna faction vote yaroslav ivanovich zaliznyak please dear colleagues, of course there are certain norms in this law that must be maintained about the рро about the 4th group about the professional tech of the world, but most of the norms are about tax benefits, i can tell you right away what will be the next action and development of events with this draft law, of course, such populism , this parliament will vote on it much easier to cancel taxes than to implement them later, then there will be a second reading procedure before the second reading procedure, our ministry of finance receives a letter from the imf that will delete

the program that i recently received in bold and translate it specifically into ukrainian who does not know the english rule that we do not introduce tax relief after that it will fly to the government, after that it will fly to the verkhovna rada and this bill will never be accepted in this form. we could at least fill the budget like this, but once again this bill directly violates the program with the imf well, it's just black and white, that's why we can heroically create such a problem now in the first reading, we can continue to the second reading with the whole hall, the whole government, the whole country , we will also be heroic to her decide and tell the imf why we did not mean that at all, but go ahead, thank you please nina petrovna yushanina european solidarity faction dear mr. chairman of the verkhovna

rada, i am actually shocked by the indifference of how we are currently considering this block of laws and this law and the next one, because the populist words about supporting industry, about the need to support mr. oleksandr, i respect you very much, but look at what is written here . it seems to me that not knowing that there are already invested industrial parks in our country action city mining town installments of vat benefits for scientific institutions if they purchase equipment for their scientific developments there is a procedure within the customs visa-free mechanism end-use end-use equipment and import it without vat and without payment of customs duty for own use. you only need to meet certain criteria of transparency

, what else is missing? to accept i'm already silent about the rent for iron ore, how could it even be treated like that six months ago, they sang what should be clamped on everyone, that 10 months ago, they installed something new in a new calculation formula they shouted that it was treason from the owners of these plants. and now they swam, listen. if our entire law enforcement system does not pay attention to this now, the end of the country will come, people, do n't be so calm, we have to take care of our budget now. you saw the numbers and losses at the committee. colleagues, members of the committee, that the total losses will be 15.7 billion, only vat, 3

billion, various customs duties on equipment, rent, 8 billion uah, and you allow it, so that the army, which is now in such a state, loses the possibility of financing. place, i immediately put a proposal to adopt as a basis the draft law on amendments to the tax code of ukraine and other legislative acts of ukraine regarding additional support for domestic industry and business during martial law, registration number 82-98 ready to vote, i ask people

's deputies to vote for 246, the decision has been adopted, show by fractions , please, the following draft law 82-99 is a draft law on amendments to the customs code of ukraine regarding additional support for domestic industry and business during martial law, i put a proposal to include it in the agenda of the session, ask the people's deputies to vote

for 257 decision adopted i put a proposal to consider this issue according to a shortened procedure for 251 decision adopted dear colleagues, 22 against, can they immediately proceed to voting, in my opinion, everything has already been explained ok then 22 against, well, democracy is a terrible thing , please no, it's a joke, you understand, it's respect for democracy, because it is a great power

, then there is power, then there is luxury, as sung by mr. roman, yes dear colleagues, the word is given kozyryu serhiyovych political party faction servant of the people what to say danylo hetmanship danylo oleksandrovich please dear colleagues, i am using this time to respond to those points of accusations of concern that sounded from this podium regarding the previous draft law, it is indeed a very difficult decision, especially for me you you know my position on tax benefits on tax reduction is a very difficult decision but difficult times require difficult decisions because if our metallurgy has lost 65% of production and is losing markets now then who cares

did not belong to these enterprises, we do not get these jobs, nor these taxes. money, they bought equipment, new equipment, and did not advance value added tax to the budget, and i insist and affirm that if e-business pays import vat or is exempted from import vat on the contrary, then he pays the same vat later on the goods he sells and the state has no losses, there is only a delay in receiving this tax, i insist that farmers receive benefits from paying the tax of the fourth group in the occupied territories, why discuss this, these are understandable things and understandable that

we don't have money for almost anything, but we also understood another thing, that we must preserve the economy. we must ensure its development after the war, because you will not have an economy, there will only be a raw material economy, nothing our country will have no prospects, we will be as poor as before the war. that is why i am asking you to support these bills. thank you, please. friz iryna vasylivna, faction of the european solidarity political party, artur volodymyrovych gerasimov. dear colleagues , please listen very carefully . it is categorically impossible to vote for four reasons. i will explain the first . when we adopted the budget for the 23rd year, the minister of finance clearly said that partners provide us with assistance for social welfare,

pensions, salaries for doctors, teachers, but we do not we can use it for our armed forces for our armed forces we will use exclusively the money from those taxes that we will collect losses from this law according to the minimum estimates of 30 billion i.e. 30 billion uah the next question is all the norms according to which our ukroboronprom can import equipment is already in legislation and they can be safely used, you know how much we are, unfortunately, dependent on help from our partners due to aggression, yes. for your information, yes, the european union allocates us 18 billion is going to allocate and now must be signed a memorandum with the eu regarding this money, 18 billion euros, which will go to salaries for doctors, teachers, pensions and so on, so the adoption of this law, even in the first reading, will significantly complicate all negotiations and

all conversations between our ministry of finance and, in general, our government with the european therefore, you absolutely cannot vote by the union regarding the signing of this memorandum. if you want to take 30 billion from the army, everyone makes a decision for themselves. there remains a printout of who supported the withdrawal of money from the army. i remember already in this story in this hall who wants to complicate negotiations with the european union, the printout remains who wants to vote, who hesitates, i will say it right away, i will remind you once again that these norms already exist and they are in our legislation. therefore, this is now being accepted, a purely lobbyist story that will only harm, thank you zheleznyak yaroslav ivanovych fraction voice dear colleagues we see in this bill what is called mixed horses and people there are really normal norms, well, once again according to the pro according to the

fourth group in the occupied territories according to the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, no one denies there won't be any problems, there are actually two norms that are quite controversial, it's the import of equipment without customs duty, vat. well, my colleagues are right, see. we have the miner's garden, er, cities, we have investment nannies, we have industrial parks, we have free customs zone , and although we still have many other benefits there, even in peacetime, this did not increase the industry. well, maybe we should not do the same thing, counting on their different results, and somehow, after all, think about other measures the second part, well, look, it looks like ours , even from the side of the schizophrenic, said that he will contribute to the implementation of the imf program, the law on the abolition of tax benefits from july 1,

2023 for small entrepreneurs for, well , small businesses, because there is a program with the imf and they will do it. i assure you that this hall will vote for it because it will go nowhere and at the same time we are trying to vote for benefits for large enterprises, well, with all due respect , but those who extract ore well, they did not rush the medium-sized business and so they did not lose hard their enterprises, including my hometown mariupol well, they eat not the last piece of bread well, honestly, dear colleagues, i assure you that this draft law will not pass anyway in this form, why are we once again creating an excuse to mock the parliaments, frankly speaking, simply not i understand. thank you. dear colleagues, we have finished the discussion. i ask the people's deputies to take their seats. dear

colleagues . of domestic industry and business during martial law, registration number 82-99, i ask you to vote for 243, the decision was made by factions. please show us. let's move on. the next bill 8287 is a draft law on amendments to

tax laws 82-87. oh, i'm sorry. i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry dear colleagues everything needs a break 8286 draft law on ensuring electronic traceability of the circulation of alcoholic beverages and tobacco products, liquids used in electronic cigarettes 8286 i put a proposal include this draft law is on the agenda of the session, i ask the people's deputies to vote for 242 decisions have been made, i put a proposal to consider this issue under a shortened procedure, simply for the people's deputies to vote for

237 decisions have been made dear colleagues, 22 against , or danyla oleksandrovych, we insist on speeches, we vote yes two for two against , that is democracy power is a luxury, please 22 vs. dear colleagues, can we speak on the 86th, and on the 87th - no, artur volodymyrovych, by holy right, you will speak on the 87th, please, kovalchuk oleksandr volodymyrovych the faction of the political party, the servant of the people. this is how they understand it. danylo oleksandrovych yes, pass the word, please. danylo

oleksandrovych hetmantsev . dear colleagues. how to make accounting for excise goods of vodka and tobacco so that these goods are not lost from the manufacturer and importer on the way to the last cash register on the way to the consumer, that every penny of these goods the excise tax takes a lot of money there - in some places 60% of the cost went to the state budget, and there is no doubt that this issue is very important in peacetime and very important in wartime, that is why during the year even more the ministry of digital transformation together with other state bodies because it was a software concept has been developed that

allows for the accounting of these so -called tracked trades, both for tobacco and for vodka, and to do it transparently so that every consumer can, by scanning an excise stamp with his phone, not a paper excise stamp but an electronic excise stamp is applied to a bottle or a pack of cigarettes, find out if this product is counterfeit or not , notify the state tax service if it wants to, we understand that countering the e-e illegal tobacco market at the same time acts on the e-e cigarette illegal market lies precisely from the plane of introduction of the latest technologies, where the excise stamp will be obtained without human participation only on the basis of payment by the licensee in accordance with the payment to the state budget, where everything will be monitored electronically technology and human participation will be minimized

exactly such an algorithm was developed by fedorov exactly such an algorithm we support and ask for the support of the verkhovna rada thank you thank you dear colleagues, please sign up 22 against a oh , i apologize to god ivan aresin, when will they start i apologize to the faction of european solidarity, please pass the word nina needs yuzhani, please dear colleagues, i ask you not to buy the same words because some people get a lot of money for it. i want to tell you that it was just discussed that the electronic excise stamp is applied to as far as i understand, the capacity of the bottle is not an electronic excise stamp according to this draft law.

it is also possible not to apply a label, it must be printed by the manufacturer or the importer himself. i listened very carefully to the discussions in the committee. i don’t really understand that the electronic excise stamp has been talked about since 2014, but for some reason today , in order to receive money for a certain grant, on which, again, in the ministry of transformation, people who are not from the ministry and advisers who are not from ukraine are sitting far away, such a situation is happening, it seems to me that it is definitely necessary to improve the control system. but i am surprised why we do not see comments and explanations from large institutions that study these topics and give us recommendations. recently, our committee all deputies received one of these, which explains exactly how

this control takes place, control in the european union. 23 countries of the european union have kept the classic excise stamp, but they also abandoned it at the beginning and would like to talk about some kind of electronic excise stamp, what is an electronic excise stamp - it is a qr-code that contains much more information and allows for more control over the entire chain. why is this system so called, but with a large load on the entire supply and purchase chain? will it give results, of course not, because it will only apply to white manufacturers and sellers, please zaliznyak yaroslav ivanovich faction voice office of ministers is in favor of electronic accounting for excise products, the prime minister considers the existence of excise stamps absolutely ineffective and advocates

transferring accounting for excise products according to him, the existence of an excise stamp exclusively in electronic form has created a serious underbelly for corruption in an absolutely inefficient way. i just read you a message on the website of the cabinet of ministers from april 4, 2014. the prime minister who stated this was arseniy yatsenyuk, that's how much we are implementing electronic excise. brand, why is it important, because they are stealing, well, very simply, because they are stealing from the markets of tobacco products, and now this illegal market is 22%. -20 billion and about half even a little are translated more in alcoholic products, and what is currently proposed by this law is definitely an adequate approach to reduce the amount of money that outright criminality steals because

there are no decent people on our committee, mikhail fedorov was the minister of transformation, who offers a free system where every citizen can check his phone this is an original pack of cigarettes . is it fake? is it normal vodka ? we have to support the initiatives of the previous government, which said that we need to switch to electronic stamps and definitely support this draft law, at least as a basis, thank you dear colleagues, nestor ivanovich shufrych, after that we will move on to voting, please invite the people's deputies to the hall, please nestor ivanovich thank you, dear mr. hunger dear colleagues, everything that will help

fight against circulation in the shadow sector must be supported by us and immediately and voted, thank you for your attention dear colleagues, please take your seats, we proceed to acceptance decision yes, there is no alternative 8286, there is an alternative to 8287, please follow the course of the meeting of the verkhovna rada of ukraine dear colleagues, please take your seats, let's move on to making a decision, i put the proposal to accept as a basis, after elaboration, to put , in accordance with the first part of article 116 of the regulations of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, the draft law on ensuring electronic traceability of the circulation of alcoholic beverages and

tobacco products, liquids used in electronic cigarettes, registration number 8286 are ready to vote, i ask people 's deputies to vote for 242 decisions have been made dear colleagues, the following draft laws are one main one and one alternative 8287 is a draft law on amendments to the tax code of ukraine and some other laws of ukraine in connection with the introduction of electronic traceability of the circulation of alcoholic beverages and tobacco products and liquids used in electronic cigarettes and alternative to it 8287 with the icon one i put a proposal include in the agenda of the session both of them bills simply for people's deputies

to vote for 246 decisions have been made dear colleagues, there will be a report of the main and alternative, i know that the author of the alternative is asking to eat, yes , then first the main, then the alternative , then two for two against, please where oleksandrovich hetmantsev dear colleagues, well, actually, we have already supported the first bill from the package, therefore, it is logical to support the second draft law. i will simply tell you in a few words how the main draft law differs from the alternative draft by scope by scope the use of it, the previous speakers talked about the fact that the discussion is ongoing in the 14th year,

this is true. and why is it continuing, why is the question being talked about, because unfortunately the market does not want this system and, above all, the market of alcoholic products does not want it, so here is our draft law, it is called to introduce an excise stamp and for tobacco products and for alcoholic products, this is the bill that was developed together with the ministry of e-e digital transformation, and the alternative one proposes to stop only at e-e tobacco products, which is wrong for our conceptually, i also want to emphasize in response to previous e-e speeches that indeed the excise electronic stamp is free of charge, this will be written directly in the law and this is in the decision of our committee, and this is where it will be allowed to charge ani for the ani stamp for a pack of cigarettes and not for a bottle of any other e-e no money this software

will be developed by a special project with not state money but donor money and it is also very important and there are relevant agreements of the ministry of digital transformation about this, i.e. an additional burden on the budget will not be there, so please support this bill thank you thank you please author of the alternative bill who is with us dear colleagues, only a few tpps in support of our bill, which is essentially an alternative e-e to bills 8286 and 82 87, our bill introduces an electronic excise stamp for tobacco products as well as the main one, but our draft law leaves

the administration of the excise tax to the state tax service, and the hetman himself transfers this purely fiscal function to the state enterprise of the fiscal functions of the tax department of a state-owned enterprise is a know-how that is proposed to be applied for the first time in the years since the independence of ukraine, and why transfer the function of excise tax administration from the dps to some state-owned enterprise, because the head of the financial committee constantly praises the work of the tax service on a project developed on the basis of a working group at of the ministry of finance with representatives of the tobacco and alcohol industries, hetmantsev's draft laws are so incomplete that, if adopted, they will have to be completely rewritten to of the second reading and it is not a fact that it will be possible to do it qualitatively, also our draft law is supported by all associations and

public organizations of ukraine, tobacco, the european business association, the federation of employers of ukraine, pleases the entrepreneurs at the cabinet of ministers, on the other hand, the indicated associations are categorically against the main draft law authored by hetmantseva , draft laws of the hetman are in accordance with the position specialized associations can lead to a collapse in the market of legal trade in alcohol and cigarettes, supply chains can simply stop at new for an indefinite period of time, all this will contribute to the further rampant growth of the black market for excise products and the reduction of knowledge about the budget.