well, we have 400 years of common life with russia. that is, life and not a single roof is probably what he means. yes, in one state, he says , but it seems that we are already really good at having a look at the soviet union . yes, and it seems that all ukrainians understood that it was an occupation of ukraine, and it was nothing good. but he did not bring anything for ukraine at all, because i don’t know how you can say that it was the best time for ukraine, and this is what they really say, the representative of the government and he is a representative of the ukrainian people, he says that he is fighting for ukraine, you know ms. oksano one more important point, and lesya also mentioned it today. by the way, it’s just that when you work with foreign journalists, you know that for them there is, for example, the status of an arrest warrant, a confirmed status, well, at least in the words of the peddler, as a general adviser to the entire

office of the president, he gives him legitimacy is absolute in the eyes of western journalists of the western media, and they love to quote him, spread it, give him the word, and so on , that is, how much can this person with sufficiently toxic views and sometimes sufficiently anti-ukrainian views be continue to remain in the position of official adviser to the president and should there still be a reaction , and here with danylo mokryk, our colleague also agrees, he literally half an hour ago wrote about what he hoped to see now a sharp and categorical conquest of the arrestee by the office of the president, but he did not guess but he says that you should not expect this president to be able to refrain in this case, and his status as a freelance adviser in quotation marks is of little importance, and the fact that the office itself is of great importance the president nominated him to the podium as his

spokesman, so he bears his responsibility for him so much, today i thought about the fact that he did not speak so much in the last year , so unpleasant and, again, dangerous for ukraine, dangerous, just like that things and he really got away with it somehow and every day he has broadcasts even nobody there can analyze them . said i think this is the last point. and i wanted to believe that this is somehow gone from the year and even many. yes, everyone is already writing about this tape on vyristovych's facebook. well, this should be the end of his political career in a democratic state and in yes, in that

state, and which we currently defend, well, they really can't get away with it, we have an institution of reputation, and yet politicians and political advisers have to answer, too , give their words, too it's easy to prove your reputation somehow to leave politics altogether, to analyze soviet films there. what else did he do there professionally, act in movies, etc. well , that is, a person who cannot admit a mistake , even if he was simply wrong, because he said something that is simply impossible to see something it is simply impossible to knock down the question, not

only could it have been a saw, but he began to write about the fact that it will not affect the western partners in any way. written by danylo mokryk. by the way, he concludes with the words that if you let a swindler represent the voice of the state, sooner or later he will frame not himself. he will frame the state, and here i am reminded of this story with a famous commentator . was able to fool a lot of people in this country, he even managed to fool a very respectable publishing house that published three of his books and each subsequent one was worse than the previous one, that is, in the end, he already has some kind of graphomania at the end climbed, but despite all the bitterness of it all, for example, the publishing house behaved very kindly

, they admitted their mistake and declared that they were tearing up this whole story, they began to hold on and tell that well, we respect it very much, it's our author, no, he 's the best in the world, so what's the reaction we are waiting - this is actually a reaction from the president's office, yes, i absolutely agree with you. what is really important in this case, from a communication point of view, is to admit exactly the mistake, that is, and then, uh, there will be no more talk about the excuse that he had on mind what he didn't mean and really the president's office er-er very, very correct thing that he can if he a-and if he says such things well tomorrow what can he not then say tomorrow if it is not recognized as a mistake yes and uh, there won't be an apology uh for this mistake either . well, now we don't just have to admit the mistake, that won't be enough, now we have to simplify the apology for the fact that it was

done right away on time, so that's why we really uh, we see that well, i this is used more like scammers than a person who speaks the truth and works professionally with his audi in russian criminal circles, there is such an unconditional value that they formulate as their own, that is, if we want to associate with them, then ok, but if we do not want to associate and do not consider aristovych as ours , although there are still millions of ukrainians for whom he remains important some insulman of ukrainians, because the fact that our bubbles on facebook can talk about the fact that finally, finally, everyone has already understood who the real arestovych is and we have seen his real face, this does not mean that uh, now under the same post of the arrestee can be a bunch of comments where people will support him even for our youtube broadcast. now i

look and here they say that we are haters and hate the arrestee instead of discussing the news, although we are actually discussing the news that is now abundant in the russian mass media the propaganda named by andriy, but they caught on and the creator of this news was oleksiy arestovich, the question is not about us. actually, dear viewers, they only think that we are hey rostovych. you should not ask us, but ask veresovich why did he say that on the air in mark fagin, this is the time of ms. oksana’s friend, actually, but there are a lot of people who say well, don’t look at the arresting officer or ah, but he is calming people down now and that is good. what is there to answer? and what are the arguments against counterarguments against these arguments well, first of all, the time when he reassured has already passed. it seems, er, i would like to point out that we have already passed into such a phase when

it is no longer necessary to reassure ukrainians . the phase of acceptance and we are already living in that reality. i want to note that today half of winter has already passed, and the holidays have come and so on, and we, that is, the russians did not succeed in unlocking us, and leaving us without light, without heat and so on, and even the weather and the whole world helps us with everything, that's why we don't have it, now we don't need to be reassured , he will lose just aristovych, this, er, this image, and er, his main mission, which he had in the beginning, to calm it is not necessary anymore, that's why he left

to promote and for some reason in the message of russian propaganda ah now he didn't speak at first he really calmed down at first but maybe it helped someone and that's good and we did n't have complaints against him then, now we have complaints it means the audience, yes, on social networks. he came to the blogger and gave an interview, which also has a huge audience. he is to blame for this. i even emphasize that he calculated which audience is covered and, uh, he promotes these messages there, they have nothing to do with each other. with the appeasement of ukrainians, ukrainians there or so on, they have absolutely everything in common with the kremlin's methodical uh-uh that's why here the point is that it's worth talking about these things, it's worth spreading them about him because it's the truth because it's what

we're fighting for and we can't to keep quiet about it when it is ukrainians well, it is just that they really care except for the lviv narratives. and it is simply impossible. to be honest, i could not believe it , and regarding the hate, you know my post, there was an analysis by registering over there according to the coverage, maybe a million people chose there more than nine there are thousands distribution and you know when people come to me and write about heyd, well, first of all, that's as much as it is for this post. yes, and i read it before, i guess i didn't read it, so it's ridiculous to say that my analysis, for example, is hey or other constructive analysis. and in general, this is critical thinking it's just when a person sees negativity, if someone says that he sees other negativity, he's calm. let him explain what he sees, if not, you don't even need to understand and dig deep. he just says these negativity directly. he says, uh, he's manipulating again.

after all, he uses manipulations with the military, what is it? well, how can you call this person professional, who uses just this kind of twist ? why, i'm sorry, we don't talk about the fact that since the e-e of the military e-e switched to ukrainian, and after the start of a full-scale war, why don't we talk about that what language are e-e met by the people of the military who liberate our cities, what do they speak to those people who stayed in basements and left when they heard ukrainian. what language does the military speak to them, he manipulates , he says that the military speak russian and no one should touch them for that and don't touch them.

we are very grateful to our military and it is the military who should be the authority for us we are the ones who are fighting now and are liberating our cities, not the advisors who are putting forward kremlin meetings , so let's see with this, thank you, ms. oksana. thank you for the size. thank you for taking the time to tell us about this in our newsletter. which was with us here, the audience reacts and gets indignant, saying that we are climbing into their plates and telling them what to eat. well, i don't think i told you what to cook today or tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, it's your choice what to eat, what do you want to eat olivier, well, please, for god's sake but hmm, do you want to see the irony of fate or with a light steam? but this is also your choice. it is about the other. it is about what the state should lead. that's all. in the

meantime, you know what i thought about us while there is still a little moment can i have a small one? i just want to tell you that on the 13th there was a date that we just didn't have time for here from us just now we'll buy such problems on january 13 it happened to be the anniversary of the events in vilnius when i remember you know, there was this storming of the vilnyun tv tower. lithuania was the first to leave the soviet union and actually showed us the way. well, it's no secret that the people's movement of ukraine was simply gaining experience and even copying various cases and their policies of national revival as well. to us they went to lviv and to kyiv and they also passed on their experience here, they actually

went to vilnius and our future deputies and then deputies and politicians also went to vilnius already in 1991 and took part in all the events, of course it was full of lithuanians er, their national revival and then gorbachev was so little bloody gave the order and died then the people why am i saying all this that we, again, we, we know some baskova, some kirkorova, some of those, even those, well, a lesson, musicians are, in principle, russian, more or less normal people and there grebenshchikov, that is, they know them again, but we don't know, for example, the most famous singer of lithuania. who knows, who knows, sweep your hands, they see, i don't see delis hands, this is the address of the mamontovas, and here he is, for example , from the 13th, this is a memorable day on the day this memorable one, for example, sang his most famous move, and in fact it was specially translated into ukrainian, it was very cool and well, i don't know, i wish that

in 10 years, ukrainians wouldn't know such a basque and so on and so on and so on how is it to say that the whole mule that means to us that but they knew, for example, music and our neighbors, the ukrainians. you know, on the one hand, they are happy that the world supports some world-famous people or famous people of certain countries defend ukraine, raise the ukrainian issue, but as soon as they suddenly say something to the russian space, they immediately run away, as they say god, they said something in support of ukraine, they said half a word, finally , finally, this is what this is about, getting rid of this kind of servitude and kneeling before everything russian, and everything russian is that that we know about this because we were in the same soviet cauldron. the soviet union for ukraine was an occupation about it, for example, residents of the baltic countries

understand very well and very well . ukrainians still can not talk about it in public. understand this because it was hammered into their heads that the soviet union as arestovych says, this is also the best thing that could happen to this territory, this is how he calls our country this song, show the performance on maidan nezalezhnosti, this is the name of the main square of freedom literally a little later, but now stay with and here we are showing it, you look and the sound but three o'clock no one brings us for the evening good evening said dude that for the first time in his life he sang in ukrainian

, he prepared well but he says that he seems to already understand all the words and he has already started to understand ukrainian so much news that he follows now the lithuanians from ukraine are very worried about us, what about pavlo lipa, co-founder of doknot films, the directors of the camera are already with us, as well as kostyantyn klyatskyi, co-founder of knopfield , mr. pavla. good day to you. thank you for joining our broadcast. this is how you see us. artistic just started the topic, how important is art in wartime, when they say that it is not the time for culture, because we have to defend our country, how important is culture in this defense and is it important? the topic

, i.e. the first months of the war, probably all ukrainian artists, both men and women , asked themselves such a question, how can art exist at all, when houses fall, bombs fall, hundreds of people die a day, that is, well, me too i asked such a question as a cinematographer, so how relevant is it at all hmm, but then , well, for me at least it became clear that our certain accelerated integration into the european, yes, the context now and in general the world, that is, the moment when we cease to be perceived as part of the soviet union as part of of the post-soviet space so this is a very important moment and it seems to me that it is very important to talk about ukrainian art and make ukrainian art right now because we

are being looked at, we are being investigated and we have to declare yourself clearly and clearly your project i will now open so much for i don't know if it 's a secret or they will announce for our viewers that we will start this series of e-e documentary broadcasting in which mr. pavlo is directly involved from the day after tomorrow what kind of project is e- i understand that you started shooting it in april. after repeating the russian beginning, what is it about? what kind of story is it? in total, these are 25 short documentaries that tell about the fate and modern work of the creative work of various ukrainian artists. it artists are sculptors, writers, academic composers, in fact, every film is like this, there is a film, a portrait of a certain artist, uh, and uh, throughout the film, we explore

exactly how war affects art personally, and what a person experienced, and let's say , we try to understand eh how can you continue to exist in these conditions, because it is clear to everyone that it cannot be as it was before, that is, it is some kind of search for something new and a new understanding. and what were the criteria for the selection of these 25 artists? some different genres, different areas of art . in general, we tried. well, first of all, we turned to professional art critics , that is, musicologists, so that they could advise and help us by contacting the most interesting people, so that it would be a certain representative.

i.e., to make an attempt at such a specific segment of ukrainian culture at this time, so we have already worked in the future. let's say that these are different regions - these are six creative groups, that is, there was no such thing, one director, one cameraman shoots all 25 this is a very short film different uh, six uh, as i already said, creative teams, this is, in principle, from lviv, from uzhgorod, uh, to kyiv, to kharkiv, yes, that is , for example. he makes a sweater, and he

stays in kharkiv all the time, and in fact, in a certain way, he is in his shooting style, which he continues to do, and at the same time , a volunteer continues to help the kharkiv military and through her creativity. let's say for example he helps people in kharkiv, both military and civilian the understanding that there is culture here, culture is supported, this is certain, you know, such an understanding that the city lives, the city even resists and the city develops, this is probably one of the most important functions of art, actually, this is also there is , for example, a young ukrainian culture oleksandr myky, yes, that is, who made certain installations from the projectiles of the remnants of, for example

, a downed russian 127 plane she is the mother of the poet svitlana kovalyaeva the novel of a divorcee, that is. this is another one, you can say the player. that is, this is another person, hmm, how can it exist. for example, a person who lost an artist who lost a very close person and how this person can express it in art or not express it that way. that is, this it's interesting to research somewhere like that, actually, i wanted to ask you about svitlana polya povalyaeva for our viewers. who doesn't know or remember roman ratushny, this is an activist who

defended protasiv yar in kyiv. this is a young guy who left to protect ukraine after of the full-scale invasion of russia, this is the author of the phrase about the more russians we take in now, the fewer russians our children will have to kill. of course, he was not talking about all the russians and was talking about those who came here with weapons to the ukrainian land and actually where the mother who lost her son is from has the strength to talk about herself tell about herself er and create something else if she if ms. svitlana is still creating or does she actually write any poems after she lost her son er yes, she continues her creativity, but creativity, in principle, is something that you can not stop. that is, if she is, er,

she, well, she exists even in something outside of you . of course, it's clear to her that it's an emotional disaster. but i think it's very interesting how she perceives it, because she has certain, let's say, views related to buddhism, that is, that help her survive it. it's important that in our film, we of course let's touch on this topic yes, but she is not the main one, because after all, in the first place, for us, she is a poetess, and we talk about art in the same way as the prefix er. that is, we do not focus on her as simply the mother of the deceased, this is er interesting. for

example journalistic research often they um well let's say an interview yes they often focus on this uh simply on this image of the victim yes and this seems to me to be a very strong person with cool poetry and it is worth talking about, writing and filming uh actually as for the artist, how to do something, i will ask in general well, that is, docnot fills came out of such a motley, rather unifying babylon 13, which for me was not always going to be associated with the 14th year . the same story, that's all that goes on, one and the same, one and the same native, and what he is about. it seems to me that this is such a pure

personal opinion that with the beginning of a full-scale war, we finally had the opportunity to finish the work that was started in november 13- this year is so personal to me impression and the fact that starting from the 13th and 14th years we have been filming the changes in ukrainian society, how it is changing, what it is leading to, and what kind of disasters it is going through, it gives an understanding in person and on the screen, how much we have changed as a society and how much we have changed mmm let's say this personally, this is what i think should be when this war ends, when there will be a victory, try to look hm retrospective on these

events and maybe make some mmm some kind of film is possible well, we still have more on this matter we think, but the important thing is that documentary film has a very powerful, um, very powerful feature, people often forget even their own memories, even their own emotions, and documentary film and where is there an opportunity to record it like this, that is, to record it at the moment when a person remembers experiences and then it is possible not to use it, but for example, when we did crimea, as it was a documentary film about ukrainian sailors, soldiers , officers who left crimea, they did not betray, then they continued to fight in the ato, and now, during the full-scale war, they also continue perform the task so, in that film, we filmed it in the 15th year. yes, then

their memories of the crimean events were very fresh, and during the premiere in the 16th year, they really remembered very little. in detail, and that's why it seems to me that the fact that we now also continue to film our war, we continue to film our heroes, not only us , but in principle, the ukrainian documentary community is very important, because after the victory, it will be very important to refactor and understand how it really is - as in reality we have there was a war that actually understood very well what you were saying. we also took lesya there too, we made a small documentary series 10 days of independence, which was dedicated to the liberation struggle of ukrainians and the declaration of independence on the 17th, er, 20, well, in principle, and longer than yours , in the course of the last style, it fought for its independence, and if we take the

17th year, the 20th year in particular, we understand how many events were squeezed into this very short time and how difficult it is for us now, 100 years later, to understand why were such decisions or others and we sometimes draw wrong conclusions. we blame hrushevsky there for something he is absolutely not guilty of, sometimes we did not understand his titanic work and sacrifice that stood. the time is not scary, but at the same time it is a great opportunity for the country and for artists, of course, and for the chroniclers of this period, which is being written now is being written into history without exaggeration thank you very much for this conversation. pavlo lypa was with us for a little bit. i remind you that the espresso tv channel is starting.