er, and if we take the 17th and the 20th year in particular, then we understand how many events were squeezed into this very short time and how difficult it is for us now, after 100 years, to understand why there were such decisions or others, and we sometimes draw the wrong conclusions we are accusing hrushevsky there of something he is absolutely not guilty of, sometimes we did not understand his titanic work and sacrifice that stood . it is not scary, but at the same time it is a great opportunity for the country and for artists, of course, for the chroniclers of this period, which is being written now, history is being written, without exaggeration. thank you very much for this conversation. pavlo lypa was with us and a little. i remind you that they are starting the espresso tv channel. -th broadcast and we will show this documentary series, 25 series,

25 episodes, tomorrow it will be on the espresso tv channel, so watch also art in the country of war and we will show our artists who are just now creating represent ukraine, we open ukraine to the world, the light about what later you will be able to watch is actually what makes a documentary film, what later you can watch about what happened in the past, there are, for example, documentaries about the events on the maidan, and i still can't watch them because it everything hurts and maybe from time to time they say the best doctor maybe in time i will find the strength to watch and that and then in time he will watch documentaries about the full-scale invasions of russia into ukraine and about the war that it unleashed in in 2014, starting it from the crimea, from the donbass,

then spreading it to the whole of ukraine, that's why when people say that culture or art is not in time, but actually culture, like art, is also in time, it's also a huge, huge, and powerful weapon, but now a very small pause, let's come back and talk with andriy kulyk, a well-known ukrainian journalist, er, leading editor of radio export. and besides that , you remember everything in us. ukraine and which he and his brothers really needed a car because the russians shot a machine gun and destroyed just this car , put it out of order, he needed to change it and change the car in order to be able to get to the front line and not overcome this the way on foot and actually he will tell us and you, because

we announced to the collection yes we managed to collect for car repair or we managed to collect for the car what we managed to collect in words about this will also come later but completely east cinema television sport music education free people have a choice choose what you want on megogo the war has raised its head again in europe, reminding us of the darkest hours of our history franz 24 constantly covers events in ukraine our team on the ground and in the studio will inform you about the dynamics of the event this is the

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kamikaze drone attacks political analysis objectively and meaningfully there is no political season exclusive interviews reports from the hottest spots frankly and impartially draw conclusions yourself by andriy serhiychuk so extreme, as they say , today's hour could be introduced by people who don't need an extra introduction because they are well-known. well , it's always like that. i remember a very hiv morning tv show on one very similar channel , and here you know, it's already half unique well , it's unique, it's just such a special assistant, you

can say the predecessor of our channel espresso was uh, and maybe someone remembers it was so good, also so morning, so you, the morning show was so cool, where are there many people from the fact that and now he works here instead of that channel, including me and uh. also, i wanted to say yes, and somehow it was like that, but it was already friday, we were working, it wasn't with you , it was like that yulia bankova then has my partner and we worked and there were a lot of guests and we also had some kind of guest, some kind of singer, in principle , i don't remember who was supposed to be introduced and i can't remember the last name of that person, and that's why someone is famous, who is there relatively speaking natalka mogilevsk you know there by default, well, it would seem to them, in fact, well how can i not remember the last name, but it's already friday, the lack of sleep is already catastrophic and you just don't understand anything, and i'm

looking at her, looking at him, so incompetent, in my opinion, i'm talking about a person visiting us today who doesn't needs to be introduced as she is well-known and that's how we started the conversation i never remembered that even now i can't remember and someone was uh now our material we had vinnyk arose then he was the first among us even yes yes yes the culprit is the one who is now super star by the way, what's up with him? they say somewhere that he is sick and somewhere in europe he is also helping our defenders, he is saving something there, collecting, god is collecting eh for our defenders on the front line eh and is being treated according to his work there are probably people who are better, but on the other hand, we discovered not only do you know such good names, but there are all kinds of different ones. so, for example, arrestovych was also, to a certain extent, already born by the public, on which i also worked, well, in fact, i was among

the founders of these people who started that channel, and well, there is such a sin, that is, in 14- mu year, we gave him his word, we showed him a lot, he started already when he was saying something about this warm ocean, there could be some kind of, you know, the worms of doubt, there should be well, but just like the trampoline is more expensive, in the end, due to the public, to a large extent, he became a nasa expert by the way, you knew that the name does not exist in principle , it simply does not exist in nature, it is more of a paramilitary organization to have its own uniform, so if you want something from us there must be a branded store like h&m somewhere there, there is a bunch of all kinds of symbols for the academy, you will probably come to us and buy, well, that's the story. and where is it used? i bought my certificate of a lieutenant colonel of the armed forces of ukraine. to be honest, i don't know. they say that he is a lieutenant

colonel of the armed forces of ukraine. well, it is possible that he will dig it up later, it may very well be a colonel-general, in fact, we also don’t know how it all happens, that we hate the arresting officer here, the journalist attacks us as always, there is a person, there is politician of the year in the third place according to the version of the last survey, that is, 2.4% of ukrainians called him, well, 24, not very many, of course , and 2.4% called him a politician of work for you, that is, 24,000 , yes, such a person thinks so. no, i'm rostovych, of course, who can it be? that is, it's 2.4 , it's really a sect, that is, it's a sect , they're all there, how did some person write what you're arresting, and he's not that bad at the end. and in general, i love. it 's just necessary to begin with i love the arrestee the curtain has already come down on you, it’s not like that,

something is in parentheses, uh, okay, friends, and it would have been simple if i wasn’t an official person, i wouldn’t be a representative of the official office of the president and i wouldn’t give comments that draw attention, for example, from foreign media, which would would not disperse the russians there, not only bots, but official mass media or mass propaganda, then in principle there is no problem. well, in our country, everyone wants freedom of speech. martial law well, it's interesting that people direct their anger not at the one who is the author of this statement, but at those people who later discuss it . our audience about what why are you talking about this ? i say it, listen, even

the commander of the air force denies this statement . that in there is time to look at our ethereum after that to somehow react, moreover, if we resort to the facts, but fact checking, because we all live now in the era of what is uh in the social network . if there are youtube channels, then you are also uh a little journalists and what is a journalist, he is one who checks the facts, so you start googling the statement of the commander of the air force, you find it go to the original source this statement was posted on the facebook page of the air force command and look and this statement appeared 12 hours ago and we started discussing it on our airwaves much later that is, we are already reacting to the fact that there are official appearances as well. i would like to hear a statement from the president's office, because the adviser to the president

's office is represented by oleksiy arestovych , moreover, again, i have already written this to myself on facebook hey, very often when i tell polish media, radio and television, about what is happening in ukraine, they are journalists, they quote our officials, and among those officials is oleksiy arestowych , and in the world, in the world, in the civilized world, there is an institute of reputation, it is important more officials are important, it's not like i said something to myself today, and then i said something else, and then something else. and it was simply washed away from the agenda by the information wave. no, people's words are not taken seriously. and these people are then responsible for their words. responsibility, the word abroad has weight , if it is abroad, the civilized word in russia has no weight, there is just such a thing that people

somehow confess their love to arrestees . well, there are no polls to say exactly. well, i think that if you ask them what it is, for example they thought about vaccination there 1.5-2 years ago, then most of them probably thought that it was unlikely that it was state-owned, that everything was invented there, they started biolaboratories, what was in the bathroom, and so on, it’s just a question of what will happen to me, we appeal with what kind of national arguments, but you know how they work that was the song of britney spears, it's popular, uh, mom, i'm in love with a criminal . but since they are not rational people, they cannot use national arguments to get there. that's all. well, but i hope that there are rational people in the president's office who understand that for the majority of people in ukraine, in principle , this is already a sufficiently toxic

character for the president's office. and we still need to get rid of him, well , at least in the sense of being an official spokesman or representative if the president of ukraine is talking about it again. well, they are telling us that he is already in contact with us. andriy kulikov is not so serious. well, you know what a good opportunity, perhaps, to listen a little more to a song that we already started to listen to a little bit, we just reached the chorus of this cool lithuanian one of ours well, how in ukrainian did he sing his greatest song, do you know that in principle it is super there in general there is a lot of light warriors of light warriors of good what do you think of this idea listen a little about this performance i will just remind you a little that it was the 13th of january 13th now let's count 32 years of the

events of the vilnius vinnytsia vinnytsia tv center when gorbachev was the driver at the time the soviet union gave an order to suppress the demonstrations from the demonstration in vilnius by force, and they were dispersed very brutally, several people died, they were simply crushed by tanks, then they shot over the heads of people. the order was a little bit different time, and you know the russians did not waste 30 years, not even the russians. well, when we say russians, you also do not understand who you know, the muscovites, not at this time, they did not waste 30 years, in fact prepared their population for a war with ukraine, and this is when the ukrainians continued to call the russians there their brothers there, and said that we treat them well, the population listens to their music, reads their

works, i don’t know who somewhere reads a russian writer, i understand the last russian book that i i didn’t read it - i read it, it was a piece of nonsense, it was literally a killer, after that i didn’t open any russian work, didn’t i? well, i have a leg. i wouldn’t re-read it even now. actually she she but she very well captures what is happening with russian culture there that i remain some chapaev hero of anecdotes about the soviets or soviets to be more precise and then the emptiness begins this emptiness is never filled it is filled with some kind of beautiful people there, well, it is the emptiness of the abitus more the minwaka of the abyss is calling to the abyss well, gentlemen, we are already with us vasylko of the association of international employment companies p. vasyl good day to you greetings mr. vasyl's studio, let's talk about

ukrainians, those who became refugees forcibly due to the fact that they saved their lives and the lives of their children from the russian full-scale invasion of russia. can we already talk about how many ukrainians who had to leave the country have already found work abroad? and somehow, one way or another, they realized themselves. apart from the fact that these people as you rightly already raised this, people left precisely in search of shelter and not in search of work. people left in order to protect their children, their relatives, their loved ones. almost 90% of those who left are women and children. of course, they are not they counted on the fact that upon arrival they would look for work, they all expected that the hostilities would end quickly and they would be able to return home, and especially if you take into account

that among those who left from 24 to 48% are children under the age of 18, then to say that all these almost 8 million people who are now outside the borders of our country and they immediately went to the labor market, well, this is wrong , nevertheless, if approximately 1 million ukrainian e-e refugees came to germany, almost 350,000 immediately registered with the local to the employment service until october. every 10th of them has already found a job, a job in germany is a vivid example of almost 3,000 ukrainian teachers already working in german schools or as assistants in the position of junior teachers or are already directly engaged in e- teaching for children of one or another subjects if we talk about such a country as poland, then almost 1 million 200 thousand ukrainians received the corresponding social insurance number and out of

these one million 200 000 1 600 000 or almost 50% found a job there. they work and they hmm try to somehow earn money not only for themselves but also help their relatives who are also in ukraine, where are ukrainians employed, what kind of work is it, is it some kind of skilled work, is it still some kind of service sphere where they can without certain qualifications without knowledge of the language to find some part-time job or income, well, there is an answer in your question itself. it all depends on the qualifications of a person, on whether he knows the local language, if 3000 teachers who knew the german language, they were ready to work in a german-speaking environment, they found a job for themselves, and vice versa, if

a marketer came from kyiv who does not know the polish language, who does not know the polish market, who does not have the relevant competencies, he will be forced to go to work as an ordinary handyman or work in the hotel and restaurant business or somewhere on warehouses for packaging and so on, it does not matter what kind of work it is. the main thing is that ukrainians who go abroad do not seek help from the state. of course, it is very bad when someone helps you with money, but people are trying to be independent. they are looking for a job, and in addition to just looking for a job, they also start their own business in one or another country, for example, in poland, it is much easier to do this precisely because, well, more or less the ukrainian language and polish is the same , it is easier to find your way there. as of the end of 2022, there were already almost 24,000

ukrainian companies or enterprises or individual entrepreneurs registered there in poland, that is, in reality, ukrainians are trying under any conditions to ensure their financial independence. what do you think? by the way, ukrainians used to compete with others, for example, with belarusians and russians on international markets, will belarusians and russians continue to be a factor in international employment, if they or their flow decreases, the question is it's quite interesting, especially in light of the fact that even before the start of the war, especially belarusians and russians did not go to work in european countries or whatever, and the propaganda about gay europe and the like somehow stimulated them there stay in your country and look for some kind of opportunity

after the start of hostilities. when the departure of highly qualified specialists began, they first of all went to the countries of eastern asia, went to georgia, armenia, leaving for europe for them due to visa restrictions . "what kind of handle is very difficult, let's say so, nevertheless, in germany, a separate program has been launched to attract it workers from belarus and from russia, however, according to the information i have, in addition to the desire for business, there is a separate policy of germany itself in which in reality is trying to do as much as possible on the way of the citizens of their countries to enter germany if ukraine does not, well, what if when ukraine will soon become a member of the european union, what of the european union if it happens really quickly, is there an understanding

of what we do or otherwise, we will have to attract for, well, that is, or simply by increasing the standard of living, we will have to attract a lot of such cheap labor, for example, from the same countries in asia, and what is this a normal way, well, people who before the war often visited poland they know that even there among those uber drivers, for example, it is very, very rare to meet a pole and even this great success if you just get to a driver who understands the polish language, you need to understand that not only economic growth will push our country to attract migrant workers and first of all, we have a favorable demographic situation, which was terrible in our country even before the war, the consequences of military operations, when a lot of our people go abroad and do not return, or, frankly, when the social housing infrastructure is destroyed

industrial infrastructure. of course, people will, to put it mildly, be very afraid to return to ukraine or not at all because there is no place to live, no place to work, no place to send their children to study, and therefore ukraine faces a very significant challenge, a serious challenge. we will have to compete for workers the hands that we will attract to our country, a clear example, residents of uzbekistan are currently working in israel, germany is opening language courses in this country in order to attract uzbeks to germany and imagine if from january 1 the minimum wage in germany reaches 2,080 euros. how much should we offer, for example, to a builder from this country so that he does not go to germany, but to us in the coming years after the end of hostilities, when a large amount of money will be invested in ukraine? when ukraine will become the most attractive investment project of this

century, when large amounts of money would really come here, the question will arise: who will develop these funds, who will invest in a country where there are no workers, they will invest a we and our government will need to solve the question of where we will take foreigners who will come to us and who were here to work, there are still chances to somehow attract ukrainians who by then, before the end of the war, will somehow have jobs and will already get used to some there i.e. so that they may take their children there with their skin and return here, that is, what can be attractive for ukrainians to return besides patriotism, besides the desire to be back at ground level, the question is very a serious question very thoroughly and i can immediately say that there are three main theses that

journalists and our government need to constantly emphasize on them, the first is the main housing. where will people return if we have an entire city destroyed, this is the first point, the second point is education how can ukrainian schoolchildren who study in germany or poland or the czech republic be tied to our educational programs, that is, so that the children are somehow connected to our education system if this happens yes the hope that we will be able to return here and the third point is the economic levers of influence on people's desire to return. that is, where is the regulation of the reduction of the state apparatus, the reduction of taxes on wages, the creation of attractive conditions for people to come here and start their own business, if this will happen then in reality hmm, the return of ukrainians

to ukraine will begin, that is, approximately 80% of ukrainians can potentially return to our country , that is, in fact, we need to create conditions here, for example, to introduce our own business. better than those countries that we only want to join. that's right, without creating such economic conditions that will be interesting for investors from all over the world, we will not be able to quickly rebuild our country, and this is really a very significant challenge, a serious challenge that our state faces before our authorities and these steps need to be thought about now, because, relatively speaking, the day after tomorrow is a victory, and then what to wait for some reforms to take place, wait for conditions to be created for the return of ukrainians a they will not wait because they have their own lives and it is impossible to blame them for this, because unfortunately, the world is the way

it is. thank you very much to vasyl vasyl, the president of the all-ukrainian association of international pepper companies, was with us and touched a very important topic about how to return the ukrainians , a large part of them intend to return immediately after the victory of more than 50%, but we must understand that it will depend on its factors, in particular, and on how quickly and victory will come, namely the end of some kind of active hostilities. well, and also to what extent this victory will be a victory for our civil society as a democracy and a successful market economy with very good conditions for doing business and security of business, which is very, very important. i will remind you that business actually ranks tenth the question of the level of taxes what they are most interested in is the security of the business, what is it and equal competitive conditions if there are competitive conditions if you know that you do not necessarily have friends in the office of the president in the regional state minister

because the majority are precisely those countries,

unsuccessful developing countries, we want to jump over that golden billion, and this also requires a lot from us, in particular, and for example, from the people who elect judges there now to the supreme council of justice from the office of the president, which keeps such people as the user is in some official positions and so on and so forth from those investigations, for example, by the national police, which closes the case against the tailor, and then even this is not reported anywhere, and there are still no official comments, well, in a word, this is all part of our future victory, because it forges it not only at the front, although first of all there, thanks to this victory, we have a chance to become a successful country, but this chance can, i apologize for fucats, even defeat the russian federation at the same time and still lose as the country is something that must be remembered, and the war continues. actually, the journalist esprellya berezenko is several