who was they called? yes, i see putin once in my life. in 20003, he came to kyiv for the cis heads of state congress, and then i said russian charisma, that's how all 20 russian charisms put money, and then this russian landlordism made and fed him . puffs up a red peak bloody monster, he started a war and in any case russia will reach its final you know what they say kitty when you take a step to escape from your fate you come to it the same way if putin took a step to escape from such a fate as the collapse of russia as a catastrophe in the russian federation itself, he will actually come to this. because life and history are much wiser than putin. what's more, he never learned this history, did not know it, and will never know it again. no she now or she now is there news or not now they won't tell us and we don't have news i understood everything, i 'm already used to the news in the third, well, i'm so good then now we'll have the next guest whom we'll add to the conversation and talk about that actually let's talk about russia but

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war of invasion wrote about how russia destroyed the kazan, how it went once, then went a second time and took all of kazan, how the inhabitants of baturin were cut out, how to destroy the defenders of zaporizhzhya sich, how they destroyed the northern peoples, let's say there was a big war with the peoples of chukchi and there and so on, yakutia. that is, what kind of nation is this? what kind of people will act like this, and people lived in illusions and said, how is this that they will shoot more than us? yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and this is how it happened, the corner of violence, the cult of death , what is russia, what is its ugly face, we have seen it, but unfortunately, to the end, many people do not understand this even in ukraine, and even more so outside of ukraine, please, you know and you don't even need to go somewhere there, you know, in the 16th century you will be there in kazan. there will be sermons and so on. they passed on the 18th century there, and there was an increase in baturin and other things. well, you can just go to the last, the last people from e among the people who

got e-e and kazakhstan in e-e means on at the beginning of the 20th century, the massacre of the chinese for the fact that at the beginning of the 20th century, there was a special massacre. this is simply the deliberate destruction of the polish intelligentsia and the military in the shack of the 20th century, or the destruction of the ukrainian bucket. the shot renaissance was definitely an absolutely deliberate operation. is simply the destruction of the national national conscious group or the holodomor of institutions, so i'm sorry, the

holodomor was not accidental. in the 20s , the goal of the famine was not only to finance the industrialization of the soviet union, but also to destroy the ukrainian nation. listen, i worked in ukraine for a long time, they were very strange when they spoke to people, well, russians, they are strange there, but they will not go there for some terrible crimes. specialized in russia and for a certain time, if i was specialized in russia and who did not know other peoples shared this negativity and therefore if i was a natural act, he knew uh from the inside of me , it was quite strange because the russians probably considered a ukrainian woman to be a people bratskyi or someone there is an export, that's it

russians told ukrainians about fraternal nations, and inside it was always an understanding of what or an idea that ukrainians need to be transformed into russians, that is, to digest their nation, and those who did not agree to destroy it, and it was always such a natural, natural view of all peoples , that is, all peoples had to be brought up to the level of the russians. and those who interfere will be destroyed and will be happy. therefore, this is an absolutely natural attitude and the russians are here. i think that this should be absolutely clearly emphasized. russians are not ethnic groups, russians are a political community. you can be an ethnic ukrainian, say valentina matvienko, who was born in ukraine , or dmytro koza, you were born in ukraine, or a bunch of high-ranking officers of the russian army who were born and grew up in ukraine, or dmytro utkin, the manager of wagner, who grew up

in the donbass, grow up in ukraine and be politically russian you can be a jew like kobzon, you can be a german like herman hrebt, you can be whatever you want, or whatever he wants , but we don't mind him being a russian mentally, russia is a community of people united with these united values, among which the first main value is the activity of violence, this is the value of opportunities to act on the limitation of violence and will have this pleasure, and a person can accept childhood and turn into a plant, but can refuse the effectiveness and offer will be a russian so how do we know how many people, let's say, were digested, let's say in the east of ukraine, into russians, they, while working on you, got their ukrainian consciousness , ukrainian identity, that's why russians are

exclusively conviction and this is loyalty to russia as a structure that is built on violence, this er ideology well, we will now move on to the ideology of russia, in principle, what life can be er after russia, as you know in russia they say если жизнь zamkadom so this is the most interesting, as they say, i after russia, but i will ask in german, now the issue of the supply of leopard tanks to ukraine is quite acute, and this is the minister of defense of the federal republic of germany, christine lamberg, who is resigning. she said that she did not have an application, well, it began some bureaucratic red tape, no one can understand what happened to these tanks, why they cannot be handed over, who did not call whom, who did not come to whom, it is not france and the usa that is trying to put pressure, poland is also putting pressure there from its side well, unfortunately, we do not have these tanks yet at least from germany, poland promised us a company of tanks. please tell me what the problem is really a partner and friendly to us

, e.e. germany, which actually helps in this war. in general, in politics in general, german, not only those who i, in principle, in general, all parties. are these some stories from the second world war when, well, it seems, how can you help russia to win there if we once won some kind of victory over nazism and and we caused them great damage because we invaded the territory of the soviet union, please, how are we going to talk to them for a very long time about the fact that you sent us something there and under the declaration, you sent me, it reminds me of the situation with those legendary helmets at the beginning of a full-scale invasion when, well, the helmets were not sent, supposedly there some postal code forgot this application, it means it was written correctly and that's why today we will consider, well, it's really, sometimes it looks like such a german office, sometimes it's like bullying, sometimes it's german chaos because well, if documents are really lost here very often and without any

new bad bad opinion, but the main thing is that germany cannot make a political decision to say that the decision has been made and we we are doing everything we have to do for this. and the question is that the social book party is still appointing the chancellor and the minister of defense. she has had enough of this democrat. although she is already, we know that she will resign most likely. this system is a democratic party, it was won by forces that are not pro-russian even to set up, but in fact it is arranged by forces that say that nothing needs to be done, that the whole of ukrainian history is some kind of adventure and we do not want to be photographed in it, or rather let's hang out well, of course, they have their sympathies there,

if it's russia, we can't rule out the name of herbert router on everyone at home and not only him, but the main thing is, let's say that in the basis of those fears, those beliefs, there is a fear of actions started democratic the party is now er it is a brake in many er grandfathers of the german government and including that and here actually sending the lambre well i celebrated it when you found out but the same thing can be looked at and who will be after that if it is a person from holy democracy, it can be a person absolutely the same, he is convinced not to do anything, but with a better pr pr experience, that is, lambryk left the park not because she did not supply there, it is simply not necessary to understand, not because she did not supply tanks, but because she made a bunch of pr failures, she has her own i took my teenage son on vacation by helicopter, it will be spero. and he

is there, the tail of the photos on instagram, how is he there , in this helicopter, he is served breakfast there, i don’t know, what kind of food is there in st. petersburg, and she made an absolutely stupid speech for the new year. -e means there with the center of berlin is completely unprepared, she refused to meet with her partners from the english-speaking ministries there because she did not speak english, and that is, it was not the tanks that caused her resignation, but the fact that she just looked like, well , they are cardboard. if a person replaces her who will do the same politics but will look normal and speak clearly and be like that means a good picture, then this will be a problem, the only one who can be really noisy is the politician, the head of the defense committee it

lady, here she is, she can be a very good minister of defense, the only problem is that she is not a social democratic party, she is from the liberal party of the free democrats, which means that we democrats will have to convince the coalition and bake this position into the ministry . that means the liberals will most likely have to give some of their position, eh, the social democrats will clearly not succeed. i would like to take it away. i know that now germany has even increased payments from more payments for ukrainian refugees there since january 1. i don’t know how much was there. i don’t have any friends there. well, they give a little more, that is, they supposedly increase the opportunities for ukrainian refugees. who are currently in germany. i would like to ask briefly, if possible, what are your

impressions of ukrainians in germany, how are they received, how do you seem to get a job, what are the difficulties, how is germany in general digesting it all, because it was also not just you know to receive such a portion of refugees at once, in fact, and somehow live and work with it, please, well, the payments are increasing not because the child is ukrainian, but because of the point from january 1, in general, social payments are increasing in germany. that is, this is just a budget decision that was made for the elections there, and if also applies to all people who receive social assistance. well, that's why it's not something that is separately directed at the ukrainian community itself . and as for the ukrainian community, the ukrainian community is very strongly organized i.e. ukrainians, ukrainian women well, first of all, it must also be said that ukrainians and ukrainian women received absolutely unique conditions of stay here, they all received the right to work, a work permit, so that usually, let's say, syrian business and they did not receive it, but the ukrainian

majority received a work permit. well, in greater numbers 55 ah, so they got permission to leave ukraine eh home if they need it because usually it is political refugees they don’t get it because they are told if you return home it means to you what they are doing there, that is, ukrainians from the point of view of legal status, ukrainian refugees, refugees, they received a more privileged legal situation than others. that is, this is a work permit, a permit in this hall, that is, a permit to leave the country and others, but also the ukrainian community it is very strong, organized, these are people with high groin experience, those people who mainly want to work and work and these people who organize themselves in some union are actually very like that here, you know, it would be interesting when the germans of the social service tried to contact of the ukrainian communities means with the same models and schemes that they worked with other groups there, let's say there, er, go out to women

and offer them to work or study there , and it was not necessary, because ukrainian women already er, know that they work well, they know that they want to touch and know that they want to do their own thing, and there was such a situation of misunderstanding, what does it mean that social work is being carried out, germans went to ukrainians in ukraine and tried to teach them because they already know how to help there i know some there, that is, an explanation of how to open a business there, and there was simply no such thing about the german social system of assistance . there were no such methods. because usually, if a refugee were there, they mostly offered to learn the language there, because carefully, of course. but there i know how to go to school there like children . to send to school, and this is all the ukrainians knew and they did all this to you, that is, the ukrainian community is very organized, it influenced the ukrainians make a demonstration, the ukrainians do nubism, the ukrainians

take part in the german political process. i think that the type of ukrainian topics will only grow. ukrainians are already a vocal part of german society and demand that germany be more responsible for this war. you know, you talked about the fact that you understand the russians well. in principle, we put everything on the cinema, we announce mobilization there, they even raise the age for those who can be called up to the army there, well, before it was up to 27 years old. well, you will graduate, let's say even you, and then you go to the army if there was no military department. then you you go to the army, then they call you a jacket, well, there is that too, but now it will be up to 30 to 30 years old. that is, these are those who will definitely not escape the army, because even if you are 30 years old, you will be called up for military service, and others there until 65 mine will be a prize and they want to collect. as many people as possible want this war. and continue to transfer the economy to military lines, that is, putin understands that this

war is the only chance for him to save himself. i will explain how this horde is and how to stop it, what can scare and stop the russians today they are ready to die just to be because they are told that we must in order to survive we must kill ukrainians please tell us about the weaknesses of this non-ethnicity of this political nation, so to speak, or are they not invented, well, you remember this from here on the eve of the 20th year, the polish army was supported by the ukrainian army, by the way, this was the first situation when the poles and ukrainians fought together against the russians and won, when moscow was so muscovite and the invasion was you , marshal klepachevsky and others when they were they were stopped just in the suburbs of warsaw , in fact. and after that they didn't attack poland for almost 20 years, that is, only then, when

they were satisfied with millimetric germany, did they dare to attack that country again, and in the 20th year, the poles responded to them and there was nothing else, we see it everywhere, that is, you know everything, the german system is democratic, again, the concept means the achievement of peace, because water, if they don’t want new things, they want me games, i don’t want to destroy ukraine there, so that they want peace, only they stopped absolutely not understand or do not want to understand that what they are proposing is the destruction of ukraine, this is not peace, i.e. they think that if they offer putin some compromises there, putin will protect himself from them and everything will be fine, but no, then they understand only the power of putin, they understand only you are putin you understand only the determined ones, when in the 15th year, uh, russian planes constantly violated the airspace of turkey, then putin did not offer any compromise, they just stupidly shot down two russian planes and at the same time there were two or four russian planes

the columns and russia, of course, some foremen there promised punishment by the turks and that's all, but it was very fast and the russians never violated the veterans of turkey, too , the same thing happened to all the people, the russians existed in khmelnytskyi and when they received just slaps they were at first but and they said that they were offended by the training, but after that they never tried it again, that's why if ukrainians, ukrainian women are doing great now, it's repelling the russian invasion, it's changing regions, it's changing chernihiv, kharkiv region it means that kherson is now being given to the russians in 2004, near the bachmouth and the solidarists, where it is more tainted, they are keeping me terribly. this is the only thing that can stop the russians is that the russians are not going further , that is, you are constantly talking about germany, so you do not need to cut down there, because if the russians do not achieve the

results there now in donbass, they will do something terribly bad there, no, if the russians could do something terribly bad, they have already lost. they can't do anything now, the only thing they have left is nuclear weapons, and we don't know if they work or not, and we know exactly what if the russians provoke and use the military advantages and t will not provide and from the point of view of the biggest players there, including the usa and even and of course great britain, france, you will be such a violation of the world order that this will already be a condition for these the states intervened in the conflict because it is impossible to allow uh-uh to have nuclear weapons, then nuclear weapons should be used correctly, because no matter what, it is not going anywhere. none, under any conditions, under any conditions. that is why the russians are trying to do what they can in donbas they don't have the strength, they do what they can, they throw in new new new people,

they try to find some new weapon, you see, some new concert there, iranian armor there with north korean or not, you have something else, but they do everything they can, what they don't like further and we capture new cities, this is not because they demonstrate their restraint, but because they do not have the strength. if there were strength, then there would be capture and destruction and rape and executions and all the other things that we know the lives of the borodyans of the kherson estuary raisin and so on, thank you very much serhii er serhii, the honest director of the initiative center for european sustainability from berlin told us that they talked about russia, about ukrainians in germany well, you see, ukrainians subvert patterns, after all, even in german, they were not ready for what they are starting to teach ukrainians teach what it is like this we take it we put it together we go here we say yes how is there a business open what business yes so we take this here we go put it up they say let’s open a business no and they start and

understand that ukrainians are not refugees who of other countries where they just sit down to wait for something to wait for something well, how many more ukrainians do something to work, you didn't have time to see him, like berlin, he came there or some dusseldorf or to cologne, and he already has a coffee shop and that's okay. i already learned german in six months, very well , you know, the most important thing is that europe does not get used to this war. i remember the end of the 80s and 90s , when there was a war in his former slavia, there was serbia, croatia, bosnia and the duchy of montenegro, kosovo. all these things it was all so confused, confused the war continued there, uh, then there was an operation for that, then again, croatia, serbia, there is a repeat there, who is shelling whom, vokova, all the forces, and it lasted a long time, and you live like that every time, yeah, yugoslavia there is a war, you look at us and us in ukraine, it’s not, well, if if i was a teenager there, well, it was not much. well, there is

always there, he means his slavik, there is always a war, and then when it ended. well, somehow it ended, and the most terrible thing is that now europe does not get used to the fact that ukraine and well , there is also a war, yes, and how hit the house you spent your tears and went on with your life. you have to work like this to really do everything possible to stop the enemy as soon as possible. because when the war becomes long, they get used to it and it is just like a background. well, this is a war outside the window, rain, and in ukraine there is a war. we help. well, there is no such thing. to be because when this is a protracted stage of the war and everyone is used to it, but for us it is not a habit. we live in it every day, we have nowhere to go . unfortunately or fortunately, we are here. so now we will add to the conversation anatoly, er, shalar of the minister of defense moldova in the 15-16 years of p anatolia, i congratulate you. good afternoon. i will be in ukrainian. do you not understand or do you understand me better? as i understand it, it is better to speak in russian so that i am not mistaken. it is not the first time that as a result of missile strikes in russia on the territory of ukraine,

parts fall on the territory of moldova. russia, or there, parts of the rocket are falling, and fortunately, no one was hurt, and yesterday part of the rocket fell again on the territory of moldova, and that’s not all. there was also 80 kg of explosives . did you somehow manage to understand what it was? where exactly did the rocket fall? please tell us about this episode. the rocket fell in the north of moldova in the berdian district. it is not far from the border with ukraine. there are no official messages yet. what kind of package are you? unfortunately, this is not the first, not the second, and not the last case when this can happen here in moldova, because the war is going on nearby and russia is not interested in the fact that the missiles did not fall on the territory of moldova and did not fly over the

territory of moldova, they were shot down and got to in this case, in my opinion , it does not matter whose rocket it is, it is russia, because it is for it that the rocket falls on the territory of ukraine, and partially, and as long as there are no casualties on the territory of the republic of moldova, this war will end, then no more rockets will fall for us, i understand that this is a minimal evil that can er now learn from moldova the results of the war that russia unleashed a full-scale war against ukraine and mmm i think that this is perceived as permissible evil and the authorities and people of moldova what? well, rockets are falling. yes,

this is bad. yes, it is condemned. the russian contingent is located that russia can do more i know or now there is some understanding that there is no such understanding and to my great er surprise even that the government which maintained neutrality at the beginning of the war with it when they said that this war does not concern us, that it is between ukraine and russia, that we are neutral now, more and more it is stated that this war directly concerns us, that we, too, suffer them for this war, that this is an aggressive war, and of course, people they understand that thanks to ukraine, er, russian tanks are not going to the center of kishenev now, and the russians saw a russian soldier, he does not march through the central streets of the city of kislev and other cities of moldova, because it became clear to everyone

that the final goal of russia is not ukraine and not moldova, but much more, even the topics of the europeans who called putin five times a day, the topics we registered as a leader are already scary, and those who watched only how they would talk once it's business business business now they fear for the lives of their citizens because nothing will stop putin in addition to the military force, the republic of moldova saw that the other day they began to receive the piranha armored personnel carrier from germany, and they are making great efforts to rearm the army, modernize the army, and raise combat the capabilities of the national army of the republic of moldova because we have a limited contingent of

russian troops on our territory. a provocation on the left bank of the dniester, yes , they can, even in silence, that is why now they are all worried about the silent management of the organs without pasnosti, the organs of the internal den, and not worry about possible provocations, eh therefore, we have known for a long time that even in the hogovozyk , when the setup is not prepared for provocation, there were calls for weapons, but so far they have not managed to do anything except to organize a couple of rallies. and now the people are more serious about this war. they always listen to the president of the government