give the main canvas to the regulation, so your task is to bring russia to the state of the sky of use, that is , to bring it to a position when the orders coming from the kremlin cannot be fulfilled, and in the absence of an instrument to implement these losses, high losses are not the only ones in this case er instrument to achieve this goal, because on the mainland, we er, you and i saw last place, this is not the main factor that the kremlin focuses on, however, when it is simply factual, there is a lack of manpower , this is can instrumentally lead the army to the scene of the sky of salvation in order for you to have such an opportunity, you need the western countries to continue to increase the supply of weapons, because what was supplied until today, you would not have found yourself in such a situation as now without

these supplies, you would have had to lead bloody war, it is impossible that you were crushed by the russian army because it is impossible to fight with your bare hands, but you did not look at the fact that there are supplies, they were very important and you need them, they are insufficient for you a more serious volume and er nomenclature of these supplies is needed in order to go into a decisive contour offensive and put a military point in this company, and is the west ready to agree with this concept at all, so it is necessary to play on the contradictions of the west, i think you will do this because that is what i am now looking at the supply of armored vehicles, and the british are becoming pioneers not for the first time during this war, and if they give you this, this is the mouth of their tanks, first of all, you need to understand that

when it comes to a tank company, it is not that a company went into battle and that was the end of it. units of armored vehicles that accompany the speech, we are talking about bmp btr, it can be soft tanks, uh, self- propelled artillery guns, and so on , and so on, that is, uh, this company can be a sharpshooter, this is an offensive group, and it is not at all so small, and on a separate operational detachment front site of the front, this may change the situation without a doubt, but again, it may not be so much this company that is important now. how many presidents and britons in this case are more followers and courageous allies of yours than other states, and as it happened not for the first time during this war, they set an example for the united

states thank you mr. komar hryhoriy tamar military historian retired captain of the israel defense forces we were in touch, we talked about how the situation related to this total is developing vladimir putin's war is a very important topic for all of us, because it is important to understand, mr. tamadav, his recipes, how to stop, in principle, what should be the actions of the ukrainian armed forces. is also a very important direction in the supply of weapons to ukraine, you and i are well aware that this supply of weapons is crucial, because indeed, i correctly said to the interlocutor, mr. valery, the british are

pioneers, but with the number of american weapons, i decisively congratulate you, valeriya. i congratulate you . well, as far as we can now consider. by the way, you, let's continue this putin topic and it is connected with the long war and with the supply of weapons, as far as we can hope that what is happening now in this tank is in this fight for tanks. yes, in this battle for tanks , the battle may still end in success , and what role will the united states play in this? reasons, first of all, it is the achievement of our goals of occupying the territories that have been declared, and secondly, it is to save the life of every armored vehicle. i am

not talking about the tank anymore, it is an opportunity to save life and have fewer wounded, that is, the election is done in order to preserve the personnel to achieve goals, including offensive ones regarding tanks well, i am not just following this situation, you and i are communicating with our colleagues in different countries from the usa to i would say to spain in this case well, you know in spain, for example, for a long time the interlocutors wondered why the germans pulled this cat by the tail, then the germans pulled it, then, for some reason, others started. well, because it is clear to everyone that the provision of weapons is purely to fly. and the most unacceptable thing is that i do not like, uh, in today's politics, uh, this is a lie, i mean global politics is a lie well, what

did they say at first that our tank won't master tanks, for some reason one machine on the base was mastered on the same bases, but here the tanks were mastered, but then when they started mastering the systems are more difficult, well, difficult to understand, well, in general, there the shymars first and then already said patriot well, you can’t master everything with what you know. they are fighting in our country now, uh, there are no guys there. well, although there are young people of our compatriots, but still americans, when they recruit the army there, to be honest, they don’t go there the most educated people go there to get an education and then they compare with our it experts with our forty-year-old professionals there about mastering tanks. well, what are you talking about and they will master it like this? heavy equipment well, it is heavy. well, it is heavy

there are some logistical problems, but these are things that are being solved. well, and thirdly, i don’t know when they started explaining that we need a lot. they take fuel. well, i couldn’t stand it anymore. that is, i was already there. an international representative of some media spoke about this approach, well, that’s what tanks are for. by the way, there is a cannon on top of it, and the armor is hanging, that is, such false explanations , well, in fact, you can say that the issue has already been accepted, only now in the configuration of this coalition, and it will finalize this ramstein, but next week, i am sure the decision will be a question the fact is that we need not just tanks, we need two or three battalions, although well, i will not be here, i will go to the field and military experts. well, it is clear that if we formed a brigade,

it would be good. when you talked about it, so that would be good, well, this will be the next decision, which they dragged and dragged, they will finally reach it, but the strike on the dnipro now, but on the civilians, has shown that tanks are already an outdated thing, they should have been yesterday. we need those things that would not be given putin should change the tools of war in general. this is an important thing. look, the tanks are for the battlefield for our possible de-occupation of the territory and a breakthrough there in the directions that his headquarters is currently developing. and what to do with those shellings that do not depend on the presence or absence of tanks here the problem is and putin is testing the situation, i don’t know if their hands grew from the place where the mat fragment hit, or if they entered the coordinates, but the fact

remains that they did not aim at the raw magpies, did the viking hit the hospital how they struck now in ukraine is not the first time in principle, but so that it is obvious and that putin says that it is a success - this is obviously testing the approach if there is no reaction of a more powerful reaction, now they are continuing this practice with the exact investment of different coordinates and the strike as in kiev in the capital, yes, in the main cities of ukraine, i have no doubt about this, that is why we need now not only voices of condemnation in the world, but actions in order to suppress the russian possibility to commit such crimes , well, on the other hand, it is logically so and military actions do not lead to success , military infrastructure options do not give the expected result, because it turns out that the real military expertise is in the west, and not here, critical

infrastructure options also do not lead to success , because it turns out that it is impossible to achieve the task in this way energy collapse means what follows is the option of residential blocks, that 's right, it's in the logic of raising rates if we look at the history of the second world war, how hitler acted, but he acted exactly like this answer this no, you can't even blame putin for not being logical, well, from the point of view of the nazis, logical from the point of view, i don't want to go to the usual point of view, from which point of view do you want to analyze him ? you know which one, yes, yes, that is, the word is quite censorious and you use it, well, let's say cyclical nazism, well, that is, these little green men, we are not there, then we didn't want to go there, and it's not us, but the crimes are obvious, and the criminal is hiding, and fate hitler fought on

on the fronts of the first world war, well, as a corporal, a non-corporal , he looked into the eyes of death, his deputy, heinrich gee, herman heyling, was in the leading ace of the first world war, there was all this uh, all the breasts in these in the orders from his combat sorties, and putin only him where they fought in bank branches, see i think it 's logical, let's not rationalize this nazism. i just mean that there is also logic in this, if you at least know what war really is. you're not afraid. well, then you put a bullet in your forehead, as it happens with people like that. people, and if you are at all no one to climb you, as putin said that he climbed these underground passages of moscow, but i do not think that this is a great feat. it's not easier

for us because we don't have any real countermeasures to these scumbags, so what kind of things they are, we've already seen them, we know who they are, how to counter them, see we thought, let's admit our mistake, well, i admit mine, i thought 100,000 dead russians, it will be something for russian society, but it was obvious that there will be a war and these huge losses will probably stop the russian regime from further actions, you look at nothing is happening, then i began to read leo tolstoy, i began to read maxim gorky, who said that russian cruelty is perverted and it is collective cruelty, and then everything falls into place , that is, they really these strikes are considered victories and putin understands it. putin actually says that he was wrong in ukraine. yes, he was wrong in ukraine and his analysts. but he was not wrong in russian society.

they are like eh, well, how is this agent, they went there, they went to the slaughter, they were just sheep, they were driven by slaves, just slaves, and for slaves, eh, well, such as not only these people who press this button, but also their leaders, you called them and gerasims, what is it? they get it, you do. do you understand that this is the only way to be affirmed in life? well, there sits a king who, too, has only found a way to assert himself in his eighty-thousand years. and who get there in general a mess in theirs in my life, i have normal communication with my relatives. no, it’s not normal. well, nothing human is normal. what kind of compensation does the compensators for this slavery or this chaos always find compensators

for? in ukraine , there was no such fun without a fool, eh. there, they just lick each other. that is, until death, that is, there was no such thing, after all, if there is already something there, then there is a reason. just simply kill each other and they have it in their history they have this in their blood that's why it's an internal compensation, you know, this slavery that is present in each of them, you 've seen these statements from the advisor of the president of erdoğan, ibrahim kalin, who says that no one can win the war, that russia and ukraine have an active conflict with each other, and about local ceasefires, that the west should negotiate with russia about its security guarantees, and that this is just as frank in turkey, they talked about the need to respect russian interests now we have started with your permission, the answer

will be in two parts, the first as a former member of the strategic group, turkish, ukrainian, where is my visa, and actually we worked together, so i will not say anything about it, so that turkey is a state that does a lot to help ukraine, we have there are a lot of different questions about this function of mediation, but well, according to the prisoners of exchange , according to the position that the chat often takes, we have to develop relations with this country, now i will tell you simply how ukrainian citizens, uh, let them better deal with peace in syria there they are engaged in peace with the kurds , they have already brought us this peace several times and it ended with new victims. i am already mistaken in his position regarding the strategic vision, here he says there are some assessments i completely

disagree with them because it is possible because i am ukrainian that's why what do i know? more russia than him, and that's the truth. and what can i do? well, the facts are to confirm that such a queue will be lined up by mediators. it's longer and longer. it 's very nice to be a mediator in this situation. yes, but it won't be like that. i'll explain why. another stage already today and putin admitted that the empire can do nothing but annex territories or lose everything, all other explanations ended with a cheeky smile , he was happy that he annexed the territory, and immediately forgot that kherson he claimed not even five russian lands already lost so how to lose everything else, but now this one is going hmm, it is a gift to the russian people of the territory, we can be

surprised because it is in history that we know the territories of accession and the struggle for the territory is an ancient story, but here he turned it he to go back and i had to answer the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelensky, that nothing will happen until all the territories of ukraine are unoccupied, and because of this, everyone concluded that the war will be long and endless, the war will be for the use of all the resources of ukraine and russia, it will not be so, it will not be putin when he is talking about resources, do you think he is talking about the funds that they will sell yachts and put clothes for their mobilized there or will he share with him his environment with those hard-earned in the gas industries because of atoms is everything difficult because how many victims, how much blood, how much humiliation, how much it had to go over people's

heads, that is, in general, the image is not very good now, and here, give it somewhere else, give it somewhere, it is unknown where to dress someone there from samara, that is, where else in ukraine , well, that is, you understand, it will be simple human resources, but about human resources, putin does not say that he has a lot of people, and that they offend him, but he has such an opinion, but you understand. only not ukraine, it is not on the way out, we can say anything, but we have to defend the country, otherwise we will not exist, we simply will not physically exist, therefore there is no chance for him to realize this, and the problem is only that, here , i am very afraid that these experts are external er, if i would like them to be wrong, they say that ukraine can then

influence the collapse of russia or russia can collapse and that ukraine can even get some territory there. that is, the logic of their experts is more and more. i am beginning to agree with her more and more. by this logic therefore that if putin presented the territory, ukraine will not be able to secure itself without the de-occupation of all its territories and a guarantee that the black sea of ​​azov will not become a conflict zone again. wars on some lines that are drawn on maps or there is a line of conflict, i can't anymore, crimea, donetsk are often discussed, do you understand what happened? putin himself did that, so now leave some lines other than the borders of ukraine which are recognized by the world cannot be because there will always

be a dispute, so at least it will be clearly indicated according to which coordinates this is happening. that is why the situation is now, that is, now, unfortunately, maybe unfortunately for us. we are forced to clearly understand that without documents of the ukrainian territory, nothing will happen unfortunately , why am i saying this because they wanted to do something diplomatically, yes they said crimea diplomatically and let's liberate kherson through diplomatic means, they used to say no, now nothing will be achieved through diplomatic means, just as they say how they have a good will when they run and kick their heels , this is the only way. thank you, mr. valery valery chaly diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the united states well, now to the external experts, founder of the center for research in the modern polish security environment, michalmarik, congratulations, mr. michal, good day, congratulations, well, let's start first let's talk about the polish concept of defense, how

is it changing in your opinion, first of all, consciousness is growing, to the consciousness that we need to defend ourselves from ooo from every meter of the ground, that is, we cannot wait somewhere that our the defense will be prepared somewhere some 10 km from the border, we need to build a modern, modern army that will be professional, but which will also be large. that is, it cannot be that we will have a professional army of 100,000. it is necessary to build a reserve, this war proves that a reserve is necessary and it is also necessary to buy these weapons , there are a lot of modern weapons, and we need it right now, first of all, not only to implement the concept, but we also need to work

with society because the modern army requires a lot of money, the situation is such that it is necessary to explain to society that there is clearly a threat from russia, but it is also necessary to transfer huge funds to buy , let's say, self-propelled guns and so on, and these funds and the basic of the average citizen, these funds could go at least to the construction of roads to the medical field, well, for most people, it is possible and it is clear that these funds will not be available for, say, the peaceful aspects of the life of the state, but for a large number of citizens, this is not completely clear, but it is necessary first of all work informationally and we cannot forget about this composition, but when we talk about the concept itself, well, it is clear here that it is clear that we have a professional army, but we just need to develop

its number to 100,000, even 150,000, that's quite a lot. well, not a large number . please tell me how do you think the situation with leopard tanks will develop or will it help? this is the kind of intervention in warsaw that the president made. i am already going to lviv to change the point of view of the german political elites . but she well, you have to spend time on this, it ca n't be with the germans, you can't stress in a week or a month here you have to work for a long time and it is clear that this is a very good idea on the part of president duda but again where there is a need to work talk with germany it takes time and, unfortunately, we have to hope for more, and the ukrainians will have to wait a little longer for the hm, there are kiliopards, but it all remains

real , only the question is again. everyone has already agreed, the germans will already say yes, there are no problems, we will start and we will hand over 12 tanks to you only there, well, this will already be connected with the change of the ukrainian system, yes, the approach to the to the training of the crews, well, it will also be it's technical, but in some way it's a revolution when it comes to the maintenance of these interesting ones. well, they work differently than post-soviet models, that is . long-term and it will not be only 12 tanks but again, not only at the initial stage, and you can't hope that water will suddenly

appear in ukraine, let's say 100 of them, well , absolutely no, it takes a large number of months again, but i think that this is a very compelling fact. the factor and other ends are the effects on on on on on the possibility of protection from russia from a russian strike on ukraine, in principle, the fact that a whole new division is now appearing on the borders with belarus is precisely the strengthening of the border, that is, it is considered that the belarusian direction is dangerous from the point of view from the point of view of the national security of poland, interests in nato . training in belarus, then we will suddenly build a division. no, this is a strategic step, and again it will take a lot of time until this division will be able to

represent itself 100%, or even 80% of its own of their own potential that is, this again, the strategy is an element of the strategic approach , first of all, it is needed, this division is needed in order to strengthen the potential of our army both on the side of belarus and on the side here stone stone of hail that is, it should be like this, let's say it is one of the elements of building a new son structure that will be to protect eh in general eh let's say this north-eastern part of poland as far as we can hope that the situation now connected with the euro-atlantic integration of ukraine can once move such a thing from its place that this requires the end of hostilities the consensus among nato member countries understands that no matter what the russian danger is, the most important thing is,

first of all. something will happen and ukraine will suddenly officially be in nato, so now, first of all, you need to focus on getting the maximum help from nato , namely, when you will be in nato, that's for now, that 's all. well, this is a very long-term perspective and while the war is raging, hmm that's clear the existence of the war does not stop the process, but for now the most important thing for you is to protect yourself from the russian attack with your potential for great support and on the side of nato. and about the prospect of the official accession to nato well, for now it is difficult to say that it is a prospect that can be quickly realized but then how can

the war end, well, the war is over, well , the russians left the ukrainian territories, well , ukraine is not in nato, no one protects it, well, they came two years later, they prepared, then there will be a completely different situation and so i them you they said later, we can after the victory. i don’t see here, uh, then there will be an opportunity to really talk about ukraine joining nato in such a way, in such a way, in such a way. well, unfortunately, let's say that once the war is over, then we won't talk about long terms. it's realistic for you to speed up this whole process, but while the war is still going on, it's difficult to talk about any specific deadlines. that's it for now, it's unrealistic, thank you, thank you, mr. michal, michal marik, i'm sorry, it's unrealistic to specify a deadline, it's not what we are. realistically, for ukraine to be one, you just need to specify

a deadline . they ask you, it is clear that after the end of the war, it can be faster, but you understand the question of the war itself, it is excellent from your point of view, during the semester, this is important, well, i pressed it for a long time, the war will sleep, thank you, thank you, my halmarik, the founder of the center for modern research of the security environment with poland, we were in touch, we discussed what polish security policy looks like today, what the euro-atlantic perspectives of ukraine look like, of course, it would be better if we talked about these european- atlantic perspectives in the discussion of the big 10-15, maybe then we wouldn't have to enter the discussion about how long the war will continue, but already at this historical point in which we are, we are and we will speak based on reality, reality

is what it is and it leaves the possibility to hope for the success of the armed forces of ukraine we will continue our conversation with you in just a few minutes and now i will pass the floor to our news team who will introduce you to the news for this hour and on eva melnyk is ready to provide you with the latest information of the day evening thank you for a few moments about the most important number the number of victims is increasing 29 people were killed by a russian rocket in the dnipro, one of them was a child 73 residents of a high-rise building were injured 30 of them are in hospital 12 are in serious condition the search operation has been going on for more than a day