it means that either we find some mechanism together with the members over which the territory that is controlled by the legitimate ukrainian government operates according to article 5 is spread, and it is not spread to other territory. in this way, in principle, we exclude for ourselves the possibility of a non- diplomatic solution of territorial problems by and large that's if i'm honest. well, honestly. it's unrealistic. no, it's a legal renunciation of the territory. we can solve this issue of territorial integrity with russia for 250 years through diplomatic means. well, even more so now the second point is neutral , our neutral status and relinquishment of any territory is not on the agenda. neither the ukrainian government nor the ukrainian people. but everything will change as the war continues. perspective, all these decisions are decisions

of great perspective, and even electorally , everything will change because a large part of people who are now abroad will lose interest in the ukrainian electoral field because they will already people who are 16-17 years old are getting their passports, they are ready not to return anymore. they will get them in a year or two. they will be new voters. well, that is a completely different story. then the mortality of the elderly population will accelerate due to the war. that is, it is a serious change in the mood of the population and a change in the mood of politicians that will be adjusted under this, we do not know how it will look good this is really excellent , now they even say that oh, we are tired of the war, although even those who, in fact, may not have been in that war, are tired on the front, in particular, on the one hand, people are getting tired of the war, on the other hand, we see that the level of reluctance to cede territories is growing

beyond the standard, and here, by the way, the russians themselves have to, they behave brutally, brutally, i am not surprised by this, because by and large they never knew how to fight, otherwise we already they talked about it at the beginning of our program, they generally have the idea of ​​a war with the civilian population, but remember chechnya, the walls of the civilian population in the city of groznaya, but there was some kind of regular army, and there are such non-insurgent units already on the peaceful national leveled off the ground recently, afghanistan, the war with the civilian population in czechoslovakia, hungary , what with the army revealed the army of czechoslovakia , hungary did not give at all when they entered, they shot volya at the population during the second world war, they fought with the italian army, a fact, but when the red army entered all these cities in the occupied of the soviet army

they killed and raped peacefully there, for some reason, some other americans or frenchmen were there , you don't do that, oh, they were just, you know, motivated by those atrocities did the nazis on the territory of the soviet union, well, they were all motivated by atrocities, but you don't always place atrocities on a ten-year-old girl, you understand, the rape of a ten-year-old girl is not revenge, but a crime. well, i won't even explain that . anyone except the tsar feels like a slave, even for a certain general gerasim. they are only for someone unfortunate there , private ivan, who rapes a ukrainian girl there, but also for general gerasim and the fact that he can press a button and you will have many residential buildings in the dnipro, he feels like a tsar at this moment. and so when he enters putin's office, oh, vladimir volodymyrovych, oh, the only way not to tremble

is to kill, that's compensation, that's normal. i don't understand at all how it's possible to live without killing in such a country, to be honest, we saw that they were hiding some bandit with military honors, which means you were killed in ukraine before that, you are a kind of mother, the mother is always any human culture, a person who killed her own mother. well, she did not deserve an honorable punishment. well, in russian, you should say please, please, because he already killed six people, that's just enemies, and this, of course, says a lot. therefore, by and large, you need to complete these tasks. there is one more point and another one path that can be followed at the end of the military service is the path that sweden is currently taking, especially the us agreement, because the swedes see that it will not be so easy for them to convince the turks, and in principle, if you personally sign the us agreement

about defense and others. in this way, you will disarm the countries that do not allow you to join us because turkey is now the former . they will not give in. and together with this they receive all these security guarantees, for which they join us. defensive defense is the readiness to place military bases, the readiness to place some strategic weapons there, again, the swedes have never done this, and i think that given the quality of the swedish policy, by the way of the swedish defense policy, there is a very effective army, a very professional

ministry of defense, sweden precisely because a neutral country has always adhered to the position of armed neutrality, and therefore they will fulfill all this, i think flawlessly and we can then take the framework and by the way we can look how much worse we are than the swedes. we are even better because here we are actually a bridgehead against evil, and the swedes, well, the swedes, by the way, why the swedes at all? well, that's why the americans go to the meeting because there is godzilla island, if you control gotham island, then in in principle, you control the entire baltic region, let's say imagine that the russians are capturing a hotel there, they captured it once, by the way, there is a road that is shot through sweden finland latvia estonia the entire baltic lithuania to a lesser extent the entire

baltic is actually in the zone of aviation possibilities from the airfield to the islands of gotland , you can fly approximately the same distance to all northern e-e countries, and this threatens the data of germany at the same time, and so the swedes know for sure that they have such an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the center of the baltic sea, this is the very center this is an apartment in the center, and that's why you know what you have an apartment in the center, so you talk to those who want to rent this apartment in a completely different way, because i'm sorry, it's not a microdistrict somewhere on the outskirts , you know, it's 3 minutes' walk away everywhere and this is gotman, 3 minutes on foot everywhere and by the way, if you are there you just see how it works because and how it has always been because what is an island well, little known to anyone yes , but the city on a visa is the center of gotland with these and

these walls fortresses with all this, it looks like a megapolis because it was one of the centers of the hanseatic union. well, again, if you are in the center of mola, all the ships come to you just to rest, sell you some goods, and so on, so far. well, it is profitable and a we certainly don't have an island we have to prepare a country on the border with russia, this is very important, which can destroy the russian federation, is showing success, and therefore we need to go in two ways at once, the first way is communication with all these countries that are skeptical, and the second way is conversations with the americans and in the course of preparing the conversation with the americans, the skepticism of these countries will begin to decrease, because they will begin to think that they must take from us what they can take. well, the skepticism there is primarily hungary and turkey, but hungary said, well, budapest

, you know, is just zahalmovoy about it will be said yes, but with the ukrainian one, it will be more decisive, it will not slow down turkey , hungary will slow down there, and you understand that there will be a common issue that, in any case, will have to be resolved at the time of our accession to nato, and hungary and, most likely, romania will demand from us to change the law about you just have to understand the national machine, it 's something that's coming up tomorrow, i think it's very good that the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine and romania started consultations about this legislation, because i don't think that we have this problem, that we are somehow to blame, that something wrong work, but you know, north macedonia also did not think that it was doing something wrong, while the bulgarians and for the last 10 years said that it has a wrong history, well, it looks like finland but at the same time, you are allowed to start negotiations on joining the european union

, yes that, no matter how strange it looks, we will have to solve these two issues once and, no matter how strange it sounds, we will have to create some kind of commission from poland, similar to the commission created by bulgaria, north macedonia with the mediation of some other countries there has there will be someone else at least in the morning germany maybe germany is allergic to poland, but germany is some kind of country that we don’t have anywhere that poland has no allergy to maybe according to the british one, but britain is not a member of the european union, you can only make nato a random one, the mother of the european union will have to look for some other country, spain, music or not, or france, otherwise we will have to create a commission on issues of national memory, because i think that there is a certain degree of threat, the poles can push us too far, but they will let us into the european union

so easily, especially if there are right-wing parties in power in poland, this will be another country that can slow down our steps, and despite all the hugs between the presidents of poland and ukraine and lithuania and these hugs are there, but ask what poles and lithuanians have discussions about the national memory of history, on the other hand, poland did not inhibit lithuania's entry into the european union and over poland, but it was poland that owned part of the territory of lithuania after the war on lithuania. you understand, with regard to the european union, ponti is already somewhat normal about the question of his joining nato, but sweden, it is connected with the elections in turkey, he wants to make his rating on this in some way. no matter how cynical it sounds, you understand more quickly

in finland. well, i would like to tell you that finland has a huge experience, which sweden does not have, to adapt to difficult conditions without losing face and the logic of the legal system , because finland is 45 years old from the 45th to the 90th this is how they adapted to the soviet union, it was a democratic country with a free market and free elections with a free press and with everything free, but they did nothing to irritate the soviet union, how could it be at the same time simple well, let's say caricatures, there were no caricatures of brezhnev or khrushchev in the finnish newspapers there was, and if there were, somehow yes, on some such pages of the block, the hand of the embassy of finland of the

soviet union did not touch the books, was it possible to read in finland, let's say, the gulag archipelago, i understood that it was not possible no, it was not published and it was possible to read because you gave in sweden and even more to sweden, finland was a completely free zone of book trade, so that a finnish bookstore could find solzhenitsyn's novel translated into swedish and translated into finnish because there were some publishing houses that were specially created for such things in finnish to the publishers in stockholm and they are such things, this is not one such book, many such literature were published. he is meeting there with the minister of culture of finland. and this year he is marrying a woman from solzhenitsyn. we don't even publish such a writer. but

we are not interested, mr. ambassador. and why do i see a book, well, a book? well, you know, it's not ours , it's swedes and norwegians, you could tell them that they are like that we ca n't limit bad literature with visas, we can limit literature. well, you can praise the general e-e law about restricting literature from other countries, well, the ambassador of the soviet union, oh, and it's impossible to carry the literature of the progress publishing house. we published leonid ilyich brezhnev in finnish, we had to report that we sold 50,000 copies of the small land. no, that's fine, and that's how they are all the time between the drops. you can almost imagine if you live like this all the time, then i think that if the finns coped with the khrushchevs, the president of finland at the time was voorhiken if there was no way to solve it all, he simply

invited them to the sauna. they were such men that he would pour there , oh, try the vodka, leonid leonid , try it, and somehow the order of the white, something there stars you want leonid order you have many crutches for finland oh urcha you are a friend i'm sorry erdogan is a boy compared to this finnish politicians they haven't even the politicians have forgotten this experience it's a different system they won't forget that's why they play such a game that supposedly no but yes yes, of course. and where is the concrete result? well, no, but we really respect turkish, all of these are in russian, by the way, yes , no, some small ones, yes, yes, thank you. and

the swedes don’t know how to do that, the whole system is political, absolutely uncompromising, it’s concrete. system morality, and if you were a little mistaken about morality, here was the rally. i believe that it was absolutely unnecessary for sweden, where they hung their feet, they with their heads, that is, they were already directly happy, they canceled the visit of the speaker of sweden, dag lis, to the anchors. the politicians were against it, of course, but the people, the prime minister sweden says you don’t understand this, as a skeptic, this is by the way and sabotage may be organized. won't forbid and the prime minister of sweden expressed his anger about this and i already

read in leading swedish newspapers that the prime minister has no right to talk like that, he can't tell the people who picket the place what it is this is swedish democracy, who is he anyway, what did he invent from himself, why do we join nato at all, if we lose our swedish democracy, we join us to protect ourselves from dictatorship, and we ourselves lose democracy, and this is such a difficult situation and it is very difficult for the swedes to solve it, so you absolutely understand. if finland has a completely independent, transparent system, absolutely , but judges also go to the sauna, but swedish judges do not go to the sauna, sweden does not have a sauna culture of this kind, at least such a one, in which case a judge could somehow end up in a sauna, well

let's say yes, not the judges. i don't know how to explain it . i don't want to offend the films. no, i'm absolutely not going to make chemistry the finnish state illegal because that would be untrue and finland is one of the flawless norms of democracy, but i i'm just talking about this flexibility myself, and the swedes don't have this flexibility, but it's not there, and how will they act, they are right in principle when the prime minister of sweden, kristal, says that they have fulfilled everything and turkey still demands something, then it's true they turkey set them clear legal conditions based on legal expertise, they did it legally because it corresponded to the norms, but when after that vardanyan says give this, give that well, they are like well, it's impossible, it's not so easy in turkish conditions, but in swedish

it is simply unrealistic to drag this process out like this. she can drag this process out until you understand what he needs. you understand. he is not putin. he knows exactly what he needs. at some point, he will either realize that he will not get what he needs until the end. there will be a compromise or he will understand that if he continues, the americans will sign something with the swedes and he will simply let sweden out of his hands. here he is holding his throat, he and in the meantime, he can get something from you. and if they don't say no , we're sorry now will not perform that's it means that he loses the only cossack he has. and then i apologize. sweden can become a center for the same kursk groups that he doesn't like so much on purpose, and it won't solve any problems. yes, but does redugan get any political points from this?

on the contrary, he can lose, now a guess is a complicated person. he lives in a world of his own realities. what are political points? but he gets political points from the fact that he destroyed the turkish economy, in fact, no. but he probably thinks so. well, he destroyed it. well, by and large, he is destroying turkey's role in nato because when he made these demands, held these negotiations, met with the leaders of sweden and finland, he reached some kind of compromise, despite all the antipathies to his demands that were there among the kursk organizations from the public's point of view, he looked wise. the politician who you said that he cares about settled the situation did not rise to the top of sweden finland donata supported european euro-atlantic solidarity first of all if he will continue it in this form then he will be a person who will to look like a destroyer of the security system, that is, well, i repeat, sweden to finland is not a question because they need nato , we need them very much in the conditions of war that

exist turkey is a key player in its region, but sweden sweden is a key player in its region what the swedes it was possible to invite a large number of swedes there, the swedes did not really want it all, finland, the swedes could think for another 20 years, no one even dreamed of such happiness, finland was simply scared of the border with russia, sweden does not have the border with russia in the end, only if finland joins nato and sweden itself, well , sweden will still be a country surrounded from all sides. nato needs to provide it. in principle, they agree on a mutual agreement and they cannot figure out why they talk to them like that. they are not some poor relative, you know, this is not even a question of ukraine, but we need to join nato to protect us, and sweden is located like this, has

such an army, such an opportunity that it is capable of protect its partners from real dangers without sweden, it is much more difficult to do this, it strengthens nato at about the same level that nato is strengthened turkishally, because turkey tried the gulfs with access to the gulf with all this, it really strengthens nato because it turns the black sea into a lake, and sweden turns to the baltic sea lake without sweden, this cannot be achieved. if i were the secretary general of nato, i would do everything possible. he sees what mr. stoll is doing about it, he is norwegian, you know, after all, they were in one state of the 10th century, norwegian, clearly understands the military potential of sweden and the police, geopolitical opportunities, and this and erdoğan's behavior, she is not, but she is irresponsible, if it ends with sweden not joining nato, it will be a

strategic defeat, i will tell you honestly, we will simply from our side of europe, we cannot really understand it. but why was sweden such a great military power before charles the 12th precisely thanks to its special position on the continent precisely thanks to its capabilities on the baltics may not forgive later if he does not send the payment, of course he has to agree on european integration. it is interesting that you said that poland may be against putting forward its demands. and to us, even though poland is such a great ally, everyone immediately mentions the reserve. all kinds of pressure must be decided in this way but our prime minister is a badass, and somehow you know he is more optimistic about this, he says that ukraine can join the european union within the next two years, not too many months, well, look, i don't

i know what information the head of ukrainsky is relying on. i'm just starting from the usual arithmetic. well, let's remove the question of the end of the war, the more negotiations on accession can be conducted during our time. first, we need this not to happen yet, so that the european commission conducts appropriate monitoring and recognizes that we are responsible of the status of a candidate for membership of the european union. they said that in the spring there will be some control monitoring, but in the fall of 2023 it is already official, which means in this situation in the fall of 2023, let's hope that the european commission will say that we have fulfilled all these conditions that we had to fulfill before granting us this status, from this moment the monitoring of ukrainian legislation by the european commission begins, as a rule

, such monitoring continues for approximately one and a half to two years, i hope that in our case it will pass faster, although this it is a big job because it will be necessary to monitor the legislation of the republic of moldova, if you remember, we are entering together in general. and this is important, the circumstance of the dragon must be forgotten . by the way, these would be parallel processes, yes. i hope that moldova receives a satisfactory assessment in the fall, because you still have to understand the simple fact that now russia will do everything possible to destabilize the situation in moldova by telling pro-russian forces to the authorities and thus close the possibility of real negotiated accession to ukraine. because all the time there will be a problem with pagoy and the european commission will have to either break up this couple or what to do, that is, to make some non-standard decisions when bulgaria blocked the beginning of the victory simply to the european union

from north macedonia, there were no negotiations with albania, ugh, when austria blocked entry to schengen, romania did not accept bulgaria , life is not very good, but it is like that in the european union, so let's hope that all this will not succeed, so let's hope that in 2024 or somewhere in the middle of 2025, the negotiations themselves will begin, as i already said it seems to me several times here, even on this broadcast, i told about certain sections that should be closed one by one. and this means that, as a rule, the closing of such sections continues from eight o'clock in the most optimistic that we have an option until 15 o'clock. more substantial, two years options for joining such countries turkey, this section is

currently closed now we will assume that we are a country that is joining the european union and that can join faster than others. sections will not be added, there is no other item, there is no other item, there is the republic of serbia , all these sections are written there, serbia, in principle, began to close them, there is another item on the regulation of relations between the republic of serbia, the republic of kosovo and serbia. they said we will fulfill the other point when we close all the divisions. excuse me, first you fulfill the other point and then we return to the divisions and the serbian negotiations of the cold

of the european union simply do not happen exactly the same way they were directed from north macedonia, they fulfilled all the conditions that the negotiations were supposed to start and then the other point appeared settlement of relations with greece, with greece in name with bulgaria, according to historical monuments, these negotiations stood still for about 10 years. i say again, if nato is clear, they commit themselves there defend, if we join the european union, it's more about the economy, about the market, it's a union whose members have mandatory defense obligations towards each other. that's why russia also doesn't want us to access it, it's just never applied but it's so and then there is another very important point that in order for this country to join the european union, it is necessary to have the agreement of these members, it is automatically considered by the european commission that if,

say, serbia does not resolve the issue of relations with kosovo, then many countries that are in the vicinity of this region, they will not want to go to serbia because it will be a crisis region and there is no point in continuing negotiations until the security crisis is over, not only in reforms, there are reforms in the med, in the mass media, in freedom of speech, each to an independent witness, there are many sections, you can see simple sections that's all there is, there is a part of the agreement on market freedom that will lead to monopolization, all this is there, but it is. if i said just one thing, if this clause does not exist, it will be 2030-2032, if this clause will be 2035-2037, not all that was said, but it is not in two years, the head said, i don’t know

, maybe after 2023, it will be 2037 immediately. i read it in this outfit in the adventures of baron munchausen, it was like that, it was possible to do it there, maybe it will be possible with us, on the other hand, you know, i could tell you what it is, but on the other hand, the world is changing so quickly that you can be right -handed. well, who knows the situation you understand, it is non-standard. i'm telling you about countries that joined the european union in peacetime, and we are talking about wartime, and here the question is always what is cheaper, let's say quickly, to accept its country into the european union in order to restore its economy with european funds, so that there is a common market, so that everything rises quickly or three