and back in the summer, you announced a major tax reform in the country. i want to quote you. i am a big supporter of radical tax changes, and they believe that they should probably be done right now. this is our unique chance to change the culture of paying taxes in the country. let's talk about it. what specific steps do you propose in your concept? we have been talking about it for years. at first , this reform was called 10-10. then it was abandoned. it is simply called such a big economic reform. in the country she has both her supporters and skeptics, including among the government representatives. let's try to figure out what you propose in the context of tax reform and talk. and in general and specifically, let's first and definitely. we are working very actively now on this reform and we really plan implement fundamental tax changes in the country because the entire existing tax system for today well, let's be honest , it's certain on the one hand, everyone pretends that

everything is fine, in general, everything is fine with on the other hand, 90% of businesses in one way or another are engaged in optimizing taxes. yes, and more than 50% of ukrainian citizens in one way or another receive income in an unofficial way without paying taxes. on lowering the basic rates of taxes on the incomes of citizens of ukraine for basic consumption , i.e. value-added tax and investment, i.e. income tax, not to a certain level, but to the level offered by our main competitors and now we let's look clearly from the other side, it will provide a significant increase in responsibility for anyone, whether a citizen of ukraine or an enterprise, for tax evasion, it will provide significant incentives for the transition to cashless payments in ukraine, one of the best let's say

it-platforms from the point of view of digital of banking is one of the best in the world - it is objectively so and it is in order to completely switch to cashless payments now what exactly will we do for each tax let's probably start with ordinary citizens i think that no one has ever thought about it, but if you sit down and calculate, the cost of the white payment of wages for an enterprise for a citizen is 51.5% today, that is, for uah 10,000 of wages paid, uah 5,100 is paid in taxes in the form of a single social contribution, receiving 10,10,000 e- plus another five plus kilometers, the question immediately arises that a--a company that works in the white and must pay some kind of salary to the employee, it simply becomes uncompetitive with those who prepare funds at 5, 7, 8, 10%. and will be able to pay there on

20% higher salary for a person is our vision that the total tax burden on the wage fund should be from 10 to 15%. this is exactly the level that will allow 95% of enterprises to painlessly switch to the payment of wages in bila. at the same time, some services that today are invested in a single social contribution should be identified as a truly marketable real service, for example, social insurance. let's think about everything with you. those who sit in the studio work in office premises and for the person who works for an oil refinery at a metallurgical plant they are probably not comparable in 100 times the risk of getting injured in some accident , but the co-existing system assumes the same load, so insurance there for you for office workers will probably cost 0.02-03% of the salary a for a

person or an employer who works in dangerous conditions. it will probably cost 4-5-10 calculations. when we lower the rates, for example, of the same esu, then we get a certain childization of wages and business i will go for it, yes. now i will bring it to this point. yes, in order for there to be a basic wage taxation of 10-15% separately, the employer must pay real insurance for social risks of social responsibility, which will really ensure a fair payment of a citizen of ukraine. the second is pension savings. now we have individual pensions. accounts, but we understand very well that all pension payments that go do not go to savings, they go to financing current pensions; moreover, a situation has arisen when more than 50% of revenues from the esu, this is the income that the state essentially pays itself 70%. it seems to me that the esu is state positions, not only the enterprise, it is military personnel, it is

employees of the budget sector, it is medics, doctors and employees of the defense sector, employees of state enterprises from budget money that is, there is an interesting question, only 20% of people work there, but up to 70% of the income from this tax and where do they come from? why do 80% of employees or employers pay only 30 % of income? the pension should really become accumulative. a person who pays monthly himself or the employer pays for it should be accumulated in his account, and he should clearly understand that this is my money, to which i have access, which is invested, invested , stored according to the completely transparent, understandable model determined by him, and this also applies health insurance, but i want to comment on the pension reform, even before the war, we had almost

1.5 pensioners per worker, now in conditions when several million workers left ukraine there are a large number of retired ukrainians left, well, this burden has become even greater and has always been a problem of pension reform , and the project is cool, you will receive your pension accumulated there in 20-30 years, and what to do with pensioners today, at what cost are they in it is de facto today that the state what did we talk about when the state pays 70 to 70% of the euv itself and closes delta by directly subsidizing the pension fund? it practically does not change anything, we just have to accept that this is a social responsibility, the social duty of the state to provide a basic level of pension, that's all, period, and we need to untie it from the connection with the existing system of virtual pension savings, which does not exist, too, everything

is very good allowed to go there, i hear this, the audience hears, but still, why is it not implemented then and why am i skeptical, because of course such fundamental changes they have certain risks and of course we must break this circle why do we have such a proportion workers and pensioners because new jobs are not being created. and what is needed to create new jobs, politics is needed, worked at zaporozhye steel at the makiiv metallurgical plant, you know . well, how important are large productions, right, and the creation of jobs is still in the works , and i will finish one thought and then we let's move on to the second, what is needed to create jobs, investments are needed, when there is such an opaque tax field, there will be no investments, so we cannot reduce the number of pensioners, we can only increase the number of jobs, and one of the most important components in this formula is an attractive tax system so that there are more jobs. therefore, we need to break this closed circle. it is clear that the effect will not be immediate, not the next day, and maybe not the next month, but

it will be after some time time but we need to get this whole system going now going back to your question about big business see the economy has to be balanced it's not just about big business it's about there is definitely a certain structural balance, industries such as metallurgy, such as chemistry , such as mechanical engineering, large, small enterprises and such enterprises that should be in the economy, but in a healthy economy, 70% of jobs are always created at medium and small enterprises that work in various industries and production and service and export and to the domestic market and processing and extraction because the question is that the rules should be the same and fair for everyone so that you do not create preferences no metallurgists, neither the service economy, nor foreign companies, nor ukrainian ones. everything should be equally honest and fair for everyone. what to do with the main corruption tax in ukraine, vat, you propose to

change it too, but in my opinion, the reduction of the vat rate will not really affect the desire to play with seven money and to create and continue to implement those tax schemes that exist around vat will have an effect, i will explain why because the cost of any fraud with vat, the cost price has a certain level and this level of the rate that we offer is about 10%. is it a little more? is it a little less? it is very close to the cost price, and the 10% vat rate is 9.1% of the price of the product, just as 20% is 16.6% of the product . will be up to 2%. and it is not commensurate with the risks that the consumer of this service will not bear, so we

believe that we will remove the economic stimulus for those manipulations . a very good example is fuel. yes, when the vat rate on fuel was reduced, which was aimed at first of all, a social goal in order to prevent a further increase in the price of gasoline, what we noticed, we noticed that the manipulation of fuel documents, which were often used to avoid vat abuses, decreased dozens of times because it simply became economically uninteresting. and actually , the same experiment we want to continue the change itself. actually, from the point of view of all vat, but what is important for every price in ukraine is that now we are talking about some nuances of the economy, finance, taxes, vat this is ultimately a tax that each of us pays 20% of the price of the product, so if the vat is conditionally reduced to 10, it means that even if we do not reduce the price of the product on the shelf, we will not reduce the cost of the utility service we will stop further growth well, because we

understand that there is a huge inflationary pressure today when paying for electricity we pay including 20% ​​a year plus two vat and there will be +10 vat i.e. 10% less paying for garbage removal a similar situation paying for water a similar situation paying for gas for a very similar situation when buying food products is exactly the same moreover, i specially analyzed the experience that exists in the european union, so if we take a check from a supermarket in any european country, up to 80% of the goods on this list have a preferential rate of vat on food products of basic consumption, a preferential rate it is different in different countries somewhere it is zero somewhere three somewhere seven somewhere nine percent there is no single approach for basic

consumption goods why such a story is probably not very the right thing to do in ukraine, because as soon as we leave differentiated rates in our tax system, tax abuses will begin, which work to optimize taxes in one segment . will engage in these manipulations, so it is better to have a single reduced rate of about 10%. because the weighted average effective vat rate in the european union is actually 9-10%. and than a mother differentiated rates all the same, now sometimes you come to the store and they don't give you a check, they say, well, we can't, the cash register is closed , let's go without a check and so on. well, they still succeed in certain businesses, the lack of electricity became a reason not to issue fiscal checks, but that's what you're telling me

i personally like it very much, the audience likes it and everyone wants to pay less, and the explanations are logical, but uh, when you go to a public space, to get out of your concept, on the contrary, the head of the financial committee, danyla hetmantsev, comes out and says uh, everything this construction that is proposed that is proposed in the form of a reform is not viable, we have not seen any concrete calculations and it is all empty talk, it is not possible to do this, it is impossible to do this, and there is nothing to discuss here at all. positions which, in my opinion, are quite strange because, well, the presidential team in the parliament and you as a representative of the president's office should move in the same direction and declaratively, everyone talks about the desire to improve the lives of ukrainians, but here such a dispute arises very simply, first, there is a certain international experience, there is a huge number of successful cases. well, let's go

there, the simplest is ireland. was in a very similar situation to us, which also reduced all taxes two or three times, having also a war on its territory with northern cyprus, also several times, literally for several years, received an increase in revenues, we have the example of bulgaria, which in 2008 introduced just the 10-10 yes system and reduced the income tax from 30% and the personal income tax in the crisis year of 2009 instead of falling in times they received in the first year it grew by 37%. the question is not why it's cool, we understand because in your opinion allow me that we have absolutely clear sorry, absolutely clear logic and absolutely clear international experience, how it happens, we have similar calculations for this, why for

some reason some people do not want to hear it and accept, but this question is not up to me, i can not be responsible for them we understand that there is an absolutely critical majority of the presidential government team that supports such economic tax reforms, and we are not talking about the 10-10 rate itself , we are talking about ideology and about the model about which, let me, there is an absolute majority in the composition of the government that also supports this yes, there is an absolute majority deputies who support it are absolutely there, the vast majority of business 90 plus percent who support it, there are definitely some voices that do not support it. of course, there are some gaps in our system and in our proposed model. and we ready to talk about them but we cannot be responsible for every specific person in the team, we believe that this is a model our team and i think that we will methodically step by step bring it to its implementation and from this model the most important thing is that everyone

wins and the average citizen of ukraine also wins business wins and the state wins let's start with the most important citizen of ukraine who wins every citizen of ukraine vat reduction of vat - this means either a reduction in prices for basic products or, at the very least, a stop to inflation the second is income tax, those who receive wages in belarus, they pay, they are paid at least 9% less tax, that is, their wages increase by 10%. so if someone receives a salary in an envelope today he will have a full moral right to come to his employer and say look, first of all, i have an extremely great responsibility for receiving such a salary , i will not receive it like this, secondly, i see that everyone pays pain please , i am not too worried about the tax burden i want to receive state services and state products, such as a discount pharmacy, and i have the right to it, and then we expect that the

wage reduction will reach 90-95%. therefore, for people, this is an absolutely obvious story for business, too, precisely those expenses that they often bear today for tax optimization, they will simply be able to pay into the state budget to finance the armed forces of ukraine today, and for the state, again, definitely. there are certain assumptions about the behavior of business and we we believe that it will be a two-way movement if we go to the meeting business, that business will all go to work for the white government, in the end the state will get a completely transparent economy, that is the real situation in the ideal size of the economy and at least the same tax payments . you say, you argue very well because there were many consultations with our european partners, they considered what we can implement and what we cannot, to what extent now in the current conditions, in the conditions of a great war, we are

dependent on the consultation of europe in this in this case, the issue here is not in europe, here it is an issue with the entire pool of our international partners, definitely considering that up to 50% of our expenses are financed at the expense of our partners, we do not have the right to do this on our own, well, it will be somehow incorrect on our part, therefore these consultations are definitely necessary and they are actively conducted, what can i say? practically all our international partners hear us, understand us and, in principle , support us. there is only one international counterparty that does not want to hear us. it is the international monetary fund. for one simple reason, because there is simply a lack of understanding of the reality of the ukrainian economy, there is a standard, not a stereotyped thinking that is used in such cases, there is a war, raise taxes, taxes are not raised, improve administration, exercise fiscal pressure. they do not understand that this entire fiscal system is part of this optimization system

of taxes, which was built for 30 years in our country, we can explain it, we and the imf at the end of the year signed a memorandum on cooperation for this year , er, on a program of approximately 20 billion dollars according to this memorandum, we have to carry out certain tax changes. well, in most cases, we should return to the pre-war period certain taxation, which is completely at odds with the concept that you voice, plus one of the flagships of the tax reform is a tax on withdrawn capital, which it was stated that in the pre-election promises of president zelenskyi, with whom business has been going since the 15th year, and even under the previous government, he went to business and demanded acceptance and everyone was in favor, but the same international monetary fund simply blocks such projects and says excuse me, either our money or your tax reforms and every government at every stage. she is very much in favor of various tax

reforms and i really want to implement them, but when we are faced with the specifics that we need imf money, which in the future will give us the opportunity to receive other money, then we choose cooperation today with the imf according to the old tax legislation and we remain uh in those uh in that car in which we were traveling look conceptually you are absolutely right yes yes yes unfortunately it was but from the point of view of the specifics this time it is a little bit wrong first of all not yet no monetary program with the imf, this memorandum signed so far does not provide for any financing from the imf, unfortunately, this is an empty program from the point of view of money, the second memorandum was signed not for the year, the identification duration of this memorandum is 4 months, indicatively until march, where ukraine undertook not to carry out, not to introduce radical tax changes during this period and undertook to eliminate some tax benefits, for example, the introduction of a two percent sales tax, which

was really probably well, as we can see, not quite the right decision is therefore to remove this benefit that was given, but there are no other obligations with the imf, we are currently in the process of intensive consultations with them, and i am sure that we will still be able to find arguments to convince the imf that it is really for the period of reconstruction in our the country should have some kind of preferential tax system, yes, in order to give incentives and impulses; the second is that, unfortunately, corruption in our tax system is so deep and pervasive that neither fiscal measures, nor fiscal pressure, nor tax increases we will not change anything, we will only continue to drive the economy into the shadows and tighten this knot, which we cannot untie anyway, we need to cut it down once, complains that the tax authorities are in the process of this cutting down yes, it may be in some period it is really scary that there will be

some kind of failure yes, there may be worries about how it will work, but unfortunately we have no other way out and sooner or later we will come to this, there is simply no other solution. i hope it will be faster. and what are the short-term prospects for solving the problem now? of the pressure of the tax office on the business, the business today frankly says that this is the filling of the budget, which the tax office flaunts, that we have fulfilled the plan, it is connected with the fact that the tax office simply blocks the tax invoices of the business and collects money where it does not have the right to collect but in business there is no there is no way out and they say listen to us or go deeper into the shadow at the same time we hear a about what they say the state creates relief for the existence of business but on the other hand the tax plays this game and there are no levers of influence in business really look at this. we hear such signals from everywhere from business, and again we need to fight not with the consequences, but with the cause of why this is happening, of course the

tax office performs its function and you yourself understand what problems i am in the middle of the tax office and it tries at any cost at a price to fulfill the plans and fill the budget and we understand that if there were no certain artificial things such as the blocking of tax invoices, the suspension of vat refunds, such as , e.e. of business and payments for previous periods with lags, such as the payment of the euv to ourselves, then the failure in the budget would be many times more than actually speaking, this is a fiction, this is a fiction . there will be no economic motivation to optimize taxes, there will be no blocking of tax invoices, no problems with inspections, and none of

those problems that business is talking about today, because let's also be honest about why there is a blocking of tax invoices, even if the company itself did not manipulate vat, with a probability of 99% - it was carried out by one of its suppliers or one of its contractors, and further along the chain, everything was blocked, the optimization of vat taxes, the imf, this is all important, but periodically i want to bring it down to earth, there is a question of the exchange rate, finally , it is important to hear what it is it may be for 2023 to prepare society because they are asking and this is one of the important questions that wanted to ask the question do you want me to give an economic forecast and exchange rate for the year it will be completely irresponsible on my part because let me finish you will get the answer is yes, and because the war, unfortunately, is a very dynamic story, when over the course of a week, within days, everything can change very much in one direction or the other, i can say that for the next period of weeks

, months, there are no grounds for devaluation of the hryvnia why because international reserves ours exceeded 28 billion, in fact, they reached the pre-war level due to the stable financial support of our partners, we have a fairly good cushion in the balance of payments, let's say, what will the situation be in three months there or in six months. let's talk with you in three months. i hope that we will either win or be close to winning. we will receive a wave of investments in our country and in us. this question will not stand in principle . and uh, he will receive well, not only there the theoretical format of existence, but also will move into the practical plane, what is the time frame for its implementation, see the draft law is almost ready for 70-80 percent. now we are finalizing it, and we will register it in the verkhovna rada it will be after we

finish the consultations with our international partners because, well, we have to be civilized partners there. and while we don't have a consensus and you do it your way, well, it 's probably wrong. i still hope that we will find arguments to to convince all our international partners that this is really right for the state and right for them. yes , i think that we will spend some time to find a final consensus there. we will say yes to all branches of government, so that maybe some certain compromises in this system yes, but for this to be a unified position so that we don't have separate opinions, it may take some time, i don't want to give forecasts for a month, two, three, but we understand that there is this unique period now when we really have to do these fundamental changes in the economic tax policy. i think that the audience will agree with you and us that we want to wish that everything will work out for you this time because we have been waiting for the tax reform since the beginning of the song from the first

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