harm caused by the internet and the expansion of participation in democratic processes. i once again hope that those who will receive a large number of educational and practical benefits from this partnership will make a significant contribution to the development of lviv, a historical city known for its rich traditions of education and culture. i also hope that this is the first of many future partnerships between taiwan and ukraine aimed at creating jobs with high added value and career development in the field of knowledge and high technologies the 21st century and in the future, today would not be possible without the conscientious and hard work of numerous friends and partners of the ministry, among them the acer company, people's deputy mykola knyazhytskyi and his team, employees of non-governmental organizations that delivered the generator from warsaw, the ukrainian catholic university, the ministry of foreign affairs and ivaniv, and our representation in poland thank you from the bottom of my heart, you are in your countries and living

proof that together we are stronger partnership taiwan can help free the future is the road map of relations between our countries , success at the grassroots level will build momentum by destroying entrenched opinions and turning mountains in the process, what today seems taboo tomorrow can be rethought and changed. it is important that we raise bilateral relations to new heights based on our common values ​​such as respect for human rights, the rule of law, free and fair trade, as well as the desire for peace and stability. in my opinion, this partnership is an ideal platform for creating new areas of cooperation between taiwan and ukraine, and we will not stop at the achieved aspiration taiwan to thank the free world for years of support after difficult times at the beginning of our development should become the lingua franca of exchanges in the future, such an approach in combination with the indomitable civic activism of ukraine is not

the first combination that paves the way to a new era of unshakable international relations we must be able to unite solely on the basis of true kinship of like-mindedness and readiness to defend the good of the whole world in in this regard, i would like to invite partners and ivans in ukraine to participate in the dialogue on free digital democracy in 2024. currently , a large-scale event is planned, in which even more participants from all over the region will take part. the event is dedicated to stimulating education and innovation while protecting our free and open societies. from those who undermine democratic institutions f-3d is another example of how taiwan can help free the future together finally i can't help but mention the brutal full-scale russia's invasion of ukraine, all members of the free world see the pain and suffering it causes to the people of ukraine. this illegal and unprovoked war therefore has a very deep

meaning to support ukraine. ukraine is currently a source of inspiration. the resilience demonstrated by all strata of ukrainian society strengthens the will of the people of our country to unify for the sake of a better taiwan, as i often say, taiwan and ukraine are separated by oceans, but in spirit they are inseparable, be sure and wang stands in solidarity with his natural partner ukraine in the fight against autocracy and we we will support efforts aimed at ensuring the victory of right over force, big things grow from small ones. thank you, friends, for your time. live long and prosper. well, this was addressed by the minister of digital technologies to taiwan auditan. by the way, i can’t resist asking you, mr. marchenko. it works, maybe we also need democratic networks in our ministries, and in

some, of course, democracy, and this is such an effort of cooperation between taiwan and lithuania in order to bring together partners who share a a common vision, as well as those societies that are open to dialogue in order to truly see thoughts, exchange experiences and also understand as much as possible and choose a course in order to strengthen our sustainability of our society is the first of what we aim for and therefore in 2024 we are planning an even bigger event and also involving the countries of the pacific region, we understand that today's online guests are also in order

for more people to join such an event, but when we heard several interpretations possible models of relations between ukraine and taiwan, which model are you leaning towards now, well, first of all, we have to clearly say that there was actually no cooperation between ukraine and taiwan before, even before the war, then there was no threat to ukraine, although we understand that the russian threat existed for all democracies for us also for lithuania. but at a time when other democracies were consolidating this democratic status and looking for partners, lithuania clearly took the course for membership in nato, became members of nato, the european union, and became part of the free world. we were always on at a certain crossroads, and we had the same crossroads in our relations with other democracies in poland. i met with the representative of taiwan in poland, an extremely educated and profound diplomat who does a lot for all this cooperation, and i understand, as jones said, that and as mr. oleksandra merezhko said, this polish model is

absolutely acceptable for us. the friendship group between taiwan and poland is the third largest in poland, it unites a huge number of deputies. it is obvious that we should have an open representation in ukraine and ivaniv. why this is not happening now, there are many people who say that this cannot be done because china will support russia, but china is now supporting russia, china is currently voting against ukraine in the un at all international platforms , and china is currently doing nothing to help us, not directly supports russia or does not give weapons, although we do not fully know the real picture only for the reason that, again , the western world is afraid of our allies, and all our enemies will be even more afraid of our allies if we become with them in line and we will do the same as they do, if you open a representative office here, we will start actively cooperating with ivan and this is extremely important for

our development. taiwan built state-of-the-art digital corporations and was able to build an economy on a small island with a small population that is half the population of ukraine, which is among the 20 best economies in the world among 13 in terms of e-e gdp will blow the population china is also one of the world leaders and who managed to do this opens up very good opportunities for us i can learn a lot in taiwan and the main thing is that taiwan wants to participate in this and wants to cooperate with ukraine, so i have no other way than to open a representative office here to establish i don't see high-quality cooperation. and this will only increase the support of our allies in our fight against the russian aggressor. contacts between ukraine and taimen, but i will tell you a professional secret. when i worked as a ukrainian journalist in moscow, i maintained constant contacts with

the representative office of the taibers of the russian federation , and this representative office has been successfully functioning for years since the 90s, despite the close relations between the russian federation of the people's republic of china and even modern putin's russia - this representation has its own capabilities and when i started this professional cooperation, i tried to understand how the taipei representation manages to function in general in russia, not in the democratic poland that mr. mykola spoke about. and in the same russia, and then i realized that for many russian businessmen, the interests of business and the interests of the economy were normal. before the events of the 22nd year, they were much more important than all political relations between moscow and beijing and the leadership of the russian federation was also forced to take into account that economic interests are such a factor that must be taken into account, and that is why they agreed to the continuation of the work of this representative office, which is and is now definitely

definitely, but i would also like to add that there is more one strong argument why we need to open a representative office of ukraine in taipei and, accordingly, a representative office of taibers in kyiv in ukraine, eh, now in taiwan there are our citizens who live there permanently and we must protect the rights and interests of our citizens, and this is also a strong argument for the creation of of such a representative office. but unfortunately china and the people's republic of china show, well, it can be called double standards, they react very nervously to any attempts to make contacts and develop relations between ukraine and taiwan and a logical logical question arises: why is it possible for european countries to create such representations, and even authoritarian russia can do this? and it cannot be done for ukraine. why does this cause such a sharp and

inadequate reaction? questions about after the war and i think , on the contrary, it is necessary to solve the cardinal and most important questions right now and now to create such a representation thank you, mr. oleksandr, mr. zhitgemente, all of lithuania of things makes its political history the first i'm not saying that you were the first to restore your independence to the soviet union, we remember it well and now you were the first to propose such a model of cooperation with taiwan, but being the first is always risky and again we remember we see the risk of the late 1980s and early 1990s. it was the risk of an armed attack on your country. we see it. now we see that it is an economic risk. i would say that the people's republic of china has already

started such a war against your country. managed when they take such a risk you are a small country, the threat of an armed conflict, everyone understood the risks we are taking. we are going, we heard all the threats from gorbachev and how we were threatened with hunger, we were threatened with a blockade, and we really understood what we were going for, but we are now none of us sorry . yes, we are a european country. we do not consider ourselves poor. we certainly do not consider ourselves the richest among european countries, but we are happy that we have come this way. we really want ukraine to follow our

example. and we appreciate the efforts of alexander merezhko, in particular, and other colleagues of ours we really want ukraine to be on the road and in nato we stand in solidarity with ukraine and we understand that the creation of committees that would help ukraine speed up this process is extremely important and why cooperation with taiwan is so important right now is because we believe in democracy and even if there will be a threat like we once had every possible threat of an armed conflict . there is no need to take a step back, only forward. because that is the only way to get what we are now striving for, namely true independence

true well-being and therefore true economic development will be difficult, but in particular involving taiwan, as well as all and all countries of the pacific region. this is an extremely large network, an allied network, which will really help to hold on and not only hold on, but also develop further in the future, in fact, if the foundation is truly laid democracy, then ukraine has nothing to fear, nor threats from china or any other aggressor. yes, we understand that there is allied support that can be given to russia, in particular from china, but we we need to understand how it is possible to increase efforts and combine cooperation with a collective action with the countries of the european

union, the usa, because everything they say is actually a lie - these are very often empty threats , this is what only one person at the top wants to say, and therefore can one person can really scare the whole world. i think that we can not allow such and such in our own association. yes, we understand that the story of lenin is repeating itself. yes, you all remember well what kind of person he was and what the consequences were. that is why history continues and will we or will we allow such a thing to happen again? i want to ask you, mr. marchenko, what other initiatives we can see in taiwan , the initiatives of the departments of the republic of china in taiwan regarding aid to ukraine, stop

at what has been achieved, yes, taiwan is open to development business and ivan is open to cooperation and in fact we started with certain specific things in particular yesterday and yesterday at the lviv lyceum and also in the last few weeks so we start with the education sector we aim to raise digitization in ukraine to another level. here we can also cooperate with universities with more schools, public organizations, we can also support the private sector, and also work with the public civil sector, so we understand that everything revolves around people of the private sector of education, these are our main whales in order to develop a

long-term perspective of cooperation for the sake of our future for the sake of our well-being . i support exactly what the lady said minister, and that is why the taiwanese people are really looking forward to potential cooperation with the ukrainian p. mykola. how do you imagine, in principle, the possibility of such a development of relations, especially in wartime when it is not so easy for ordinary delegations to go somewhere and civil society is limited in its opportunities for contacts, or maybe it should be postponed in this digital plane, if we are already talking in the program dedicated to helping the ministry of technology tsar, it is true, but i will tell you that both the diplomacy of our country and the public diplomacy of our country are now extremely active, more active even than when it was before the war, i was in taiwan as part of an international delegation, and before that there was a large ukrainian delegation where there were representatives of the ukrainian community, our

colleague kira rudyk, representatives of local self-government bodies, this is this cooperation between bodies local self- government, among other things, is very active, but they bought a generator for a million dollars. as i said, only for kyiv and ivanka, and now another program of cooperation between kyiv and time is being prepared . as a deputy from lviv, i am initiating a whole series programs of cooperation between lviv and taiwanese cities, so they think that this cooperation will continue, but it is very interesting what the minister of katan said, you know what struck me at that time, digitalization is a response to the needs of society, thanks to digitalization, they are building democracy. when covid started in taiwan, people they themselves indicated in special applications the phone numbers, where there are pharmacies, where they sell masks in order to help other people, and digitalization becomes a tool for building a single and very strong democratic societies that authoritarian societies are trying to destroy in times of war for us this internal centralization is extremely important and we see what is happening we see

how our volunteers work how we help the army all this now happens via the internet even when there is no light we buy old generators and still communicate in networks here, and ivan's experience is huge, but the experience that impressed me is really the construction of this open society, because if it happened that we became the first democracy that was attacked by an authoritarian regime recently, many people say that it could be the beginning of the third world war. we hope that the authoritarian states will not be afraid, but we see that they are allies of iran, the north, korea, russia, china, which is very often silent or supports all these directions, and on the other hand on the other hand, we see completely different blocs , the united states of america, lithuania, other baltic countries, poland, europe are democratic countries, and we have to become the fairway of this democratic movement. this is something that some of our politicians do not understand, because they think that it is possible and continue to build such a glorious democracy and this will be an example for others and they will still help us, of course, but we have

to show an example of the best democracy and here the experience of the ministry of digitalization of china and ivan e is truly unique for us because the way they were able to organize the minister katan they talked about it, i was really impressed to organize the association of citizens through social networks through the internet, this is a very interesting and very useful for us example of building a strong democracy in our country because it is possible count - through digitalization to build a dictatorship or authoritarianism, as it is in china. when you walk down the street, your face will be photographed. if you are an uncharitable person , you will not be sold a ticket. is an example of the use of new technologies for the construction of democracy. this is exactly our way, mr. oleksandr , you can say that this is the eternal dilemma of all the fantastic novels that we read in childhood, so how and how to use the future technologies about which humanity only dreams, but now they are part of our lives, the ukrainian

leadership can be said to have made the issue of digitization in recent years one of the directions of the current government's work, you can say these are the real directions of the country's development, and here the question is, of course, to what extent this digitization can be done. i would said the guarantor of democracy, how can the secretaries help here well, although i am not an expert in the field of digitization or digitalization, but i understand that digitalization, digitalization, new technologies - this is only a tool that can be used to maintain democracy and develop democratic institutions, and it can be used to destroy democracy, democratic institutions, and here we need to choose a specific path very clearly, we have already chosen this path, we are a country of democracy, a country that is waging war and protects democracy

, democratic values ​​and the appropriate way we should use digitalization for the development of democracy and here taiwan is a very specific example for us and it is also one of the reasons why we should communicate and develop relations with taiwan, why is it necessary, for example, to rule accordingly, a delegation that would consist of deputies, representatives of local authorities, businessmen , journalists, e-e, representatives of the ministry dealing with digitalization, we have a huge experience there, which we can to use e for the development of one's own democracy , and this should be used as far as i remember . you with other lithuanian parliamentarians and it

was also a topic of joint work in the field of innovation where uh the bilateral program between uh actually as john martin said and the actual cooperation with taiwan's ministry of digital technologies and our ministry really we want to join our efforts we we want such cooperation to cooperate within the framework of the region, as well as in a broader aspect, and we also want ukraine to really adopt our experience, we are open to this, we will do everything possible for ukraine to become a member of the eu and a member of nato we want ukraine to become a democracy on the front lines, so ukraine will be uh, we are not only talking about building a democracy, but actually about bilateral support, support

between ukraine and taiwan, so because you can often hear various threats from china, venezuela, cuba, and others countries, so it is very important to understand such support in order to understand in what way and that we must understand that economic policy is actually coming into contact with autocracy . take away from you the most important thing take away from you a-ah freedom therefore we understand what messages need to be sent if you choose the wrong strategy you will lose you will lose everything and independence and freedom if you lose c- elements of critical infrastructure therefore if we understand that communist china if it

invests in any sector of your e and your country you lose you lose your promising e independence look at the examples of countries only for example the countries of south america that it happened in such a gradation the occupation that was then, that is why it is very dangerous, that is why they actually seek prosperity not so much as the prosperity of their own glory, and therefore, if we are talking about lithuania, ukraine supports ukraine 100% today, 98% of our trade is exclusively with democratic countries, and only more than 1 % with countries that are not like that, so what can be the road map for ukraine, we need to remember that the future is democracy and we see what needs to be done

in order to achieve democracy, we clearly see the countries that are democracies and which are such aren't you ukraine, you are now on the front line of defense, you are doing everything to save yourself, to build your future now, you are laying the foundation, and even what is the name of the dialogue about free digital democracy and also about what ivan will help to liberate and change the future or mr. from the pavilion when the american parliamentary delegation led by the then speaker of the house of representatives of the united states nancy pelosi was visiting taiwan just at the moment when the plane with the american congressmen landed at the taiber airport appeared a well-known article by mrs. pelesti in the

washington post, which was dedicated to democracy, the democratic experience, the democratic experience of ukraine, the democratic experience of ivaniv and at this moment, in this text, the lady was saying that her trip to kyiv, which took place together with other american congressmen, literally in a few days before the american delegation visited er taipei some was devoted to this er support of democracy and many were excited that the american congressmen just covered a huge distance er for to visit a country that was then plunged into the most brutal phase of this war . well, then such a long distance is fortunately safer then the conditions, but against the background of the training that the army of the people 's republic of china started at the shores of taiwan, the american congressmen overcame in order to visit taiwan and in this there is symbolism -

symbolism is a very important symbolism that is part of our dialogue today, the symbolism is dedicated precisely to the extent to which we can stop our democratic solidarity with this onslaught of the dictator because ms. pelas clearly said that this is a struggle between democracy and dictatorship, and now we can say that this struggle is ukraine, taiwan, the united states, lithuania, they are on one side of the barricade, and the other side of the barricade is a barricade run. i would say it is dangerous for our common development. i want to thank all the participants of this conversations with mykola knyzytskyi jones cotto marchenko oleksandr merezhko zhigemantos pavillionis and i want to sincerely thank the taiwanese people for helping ukraine in these difficult times, this program check for you vitaly portnikov until the next meetings friends, join the community with a ukrainian

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, russian fighter jets, i have a cold basement in my window, then i left irpen under shelling, a month after being abandoned by my relatives, and in the end i ended up in lviv, returned to broadcasts and started volunteering together with my colleagues, we are the first military men, for part of our lives we collect tv sets for the dro, weave nets, and on weekends we are going to prepare vitamin teas for our defenders at the front, all together we cut the fruits we clean the berries we beat everything and pack it is always very gratifying to think that in a few days this tea will warm the ukrainian soldiers everyone of you can help even a small contribution to the support of the army saves the lives of our soldiers and brings our victory closer so that the ukrainians don't think about anything they talked about the first place still comes out

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