the world turned on political economic sanctions military aid uh but in order to overcome such a uh power and russia still let's not forget what a power, well at least the human potential is huge and the readiness between means very interesting uh they gave an example at the very beginning of our why don't they have conversations somewhere in the krasnoyarsk region, these are people who are capable of enduring anything to them, the main thing is that the party said what it said, the tsar says we must fight, ukraine must be destroyed, so the question must be passed or we them or they us and

they will fart and fart because he said so, and it seems to me that now it is clear not only to us, but also to the vast majority of the civilized world that helps us, that until this ugly regime is destroyed, there will be talk of some kind of peace in this part of europe and in the world in general it's very difficult, that's why the world is connecting and we hope it will continue to connect, schetich, you , igor, said that most of this civilized world understands, the next question will be about hungary, a part of the civilized world hmm, but sometimes such decisions are made which sometimes do not come to mind and last week, for two weeks, they held national consultations and last week announced the results of these national consultations, so they even posted them on the website of the hungarian government on the internet, according to

a survey of 97% of the country's citizens hungarians who took part in this survey are against the anti-russian sanctions of the west. well, now the government of viktor orbán is going to send it to brussels. as viktor orbán himself said, let them think it is worrying for us. signal because it seems to me that after this , there may not be new packages of anti-russian sanctions. i would not pay such a lot of attention to what the hungarian government is doing right now. hungary is not the largest european country. mordonom and we can clearly see how the liars in the european union and outside the borders of brussels react to this, including,

let me briefly comment on it . very good politics, but it is politics and any big war is going on now, there are those who choose a side in this case, in our case it is an obvious side . there are very few of them who take the side of evil , you can practically count them on the fingers of one hand. and there are a large number of those who hesitate and remain silent, and there are still others like that, how do you show this politician who is trying to make his political happiness in this specific

situation, so my answer is politics and i would not pay very close attention to what the hungarian government is doing on this issue. moreover , it asked you whether it will affect us in any negative way. i think that means that when it is profitable for orbano, he will vote for sanctions when it is it is not beneficial to orbán, purely politically, he will not vote for these tsars, he will not support these sanctions, i understood correctly. you can say this clearly, mr. igor, watch on thursday - the european parliament will vote for a resolution on the creation of a tribunal for punishment of crimes committed on the territory of ukraine, this tribunal is a master of games, i am interested in just figuring it out, will it wait for putin and his followers as long as necessary or will it make a decision in absentia, but when the time comes when putin well, i don’t know, they will catch him there, they won’t catch him, they won’t catch him, just this decision

will be applied to him how do you see the work of this tribunal? it is very difficult to talk about this topic without specifics because the consultations and discussions are still ongoing. do you understand international jurisprudence? one opinion, he has two opinions, that's about the same, international responses are codified norms that are fixed. well, what we call international law is the most well- known, let's assume the statute of the united nations organization, practically the whole world agreed to implement it, it is a part of international law in that understanding, as we understand it, russia moved away, in what

way, there is a general consensus against it, at least in the civilized world, so i will recall the last statement of the group of seven, exactly that one somewhere a few weeks ago, it is very important where it was said in black and white that a comrade of putin's team means a crime, what will it be possible to avoid responsibility, you, you, you , the judiciary will find you, and this is the first time so publicly at this level, it was said how to do it, you know, he was the president of the 40th e-e after the second world war, yes of the so-called nuremberg tribunal, and it is very much so , uh, on uh, world columns, we have, above all, we need something like, you understand , uh, there is a point of view, uh, i already mentioned

some interview somewhere, one of of international lawyers, an experienced englishman the prosecutor, who did better, even though he was published not so long ago in the international court, because in principle, the ukrainian judiciary can already start a case against war criminals of the highest level, starting with putin, because there is actually the whole head of putin, his henchmen like this they have it called the national security council, and in fact the whole council that voted is all war crimes, because they are guilty of the crime of aggression, aggression is an international crime, so in principle, it's just what it is. this is the point of view, that's why i personally would very much like

this whole audience to live to see the trial, where will it be, when will it be difficult to say now, but something seems to me that i am too lucky to see this gang in court we'll see but i think not everyone well, we'll see, we'll see thank you mr. ihor thank you for participating in today's program thank you, as always, for the professional answers to my questions, this was ihor kharchenko, diplomat extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine before presenting his next to the next guest, let me remind you that on youtube we are conducting a survey, we asked you whether davos will unite the world, so there are already 259 votes 52% believe that it will unite 40% believe that it will not unite 8% have their own version that

you will be able to read their version only when the program is already finished and when it will be posted in full on youtube well, continue to vote yes, and now we are watched on the main channel of our program, not the espresso 1980 tv channel , thank you very much for that what are you looking at? well, i'm ready to introduce my next guest kira rudyk , people's deputy of ukraine from swiss davos, where the world economic forum is starting today, mrs. what a blessing to ukraine. thank you for joining me today, mrs. kiro. well, today, uh, this forum is starting, an important forum, uh, please tell me the theme of this year's davos is cooperation in a fragmented world well, it is obvious that this world was initially fragmented there by some factors, then covid came, it

fragmented this world, now the russian war in ukraine is fragmenting er this world, can the current davos is somehow uniting the world, you know. if i were to answer your survey, i would say that it is not davos that will unite the world, but ukraine is currently uniting the world, because the war that russia started, it covered up so many problems in which everyone tried not to look away, but now these problems have appeared in the world, and the leaders of the democratic e-e camp need to deal with these problems, starting with food security, ending with international institutions , their effectiveness, and in general, compliance with international norms e-e, the leading speakers about that there is, for example, the un charter, but it does not go unpredictably, what will happen if the country violates this charter and what will be done with it, we are now trying to make sure that russia is

excluded from the un national security council and then from everything, but this process is just beginning that's why i think that now the task is still to do it so that all the countries that have an influence on the world, all the countries that support us now offered to do it. and those countries that are, let's say, in the middle, so that they e clearly understood how exactly on them is affected by the continuation of the war started by russia, because such venues as davos are not only created to talk about the present , they talk about the future. the world for the countries that depend on us for

food if our agricultural territories are to a large extent mined and will not be able to produce such grain as before, what will the world look like if it already looks like so that it is possible to violate international norms and in addition to a sanction you will not receive a reply you will not receive a slap you will not receive a clear formal answer from the organization to which you belong, well, we will be fully focused on the directions and work on the regarding the persuasion of our partners personally i came to davos for several meetings related to the confiscation of russian assets, we now know that about five hundred billion dollars of russian money of the oligarchs and the central bank is confiscated in countries which of our allies are canada , great britain, the united states, and the countries of the european union. our task is to make

sure that this money is transferred to ukraine as soon as possible and that it can be used by us both to rebuild the country and to survive during the war . progress in canada adopted legislation that would allow such a transfer to be made in the united states at the end of the year there was an amendment that entered the last package and was voted by congress that allows the confiscation of assets of russian oligarchs and to transfer them to third countries, it is us, and now the job is to ensure that great britain and european countries also adopt such legislation on the day when the first dollar from allied countries of confiscated russian assets reaches us, we will consider that all this is the first great victory on the financial and diplomatic front that which we need so much in terms of confiscation of assets, and of

course we will fight for all 500 billion ranas to become ours sooner rather than later, mrs. keru, but look, you said that there is something else inside, now you personally, and in it is precisely the issue of confiscation of assets that you are currently dealing with. is it difficult to convince them of these middlemen and not so many uh, i am a little lucky here? in my task, that is, i am talking now about the countries of africa, which in general , uh, are not even on the border of a beyond the border, where there is huge russian propaganda, these are the countries of india, this is indonesia. well , fortunately, these countries do not have many russian assets, and we do not even hope for them, so far. the question is that due to the fact that these are democratic countries, the confiscation of private

property of a country or a person is still out of bounds for them. this is a red line and we are now convinced that putin, having violated all international norms, does not and cannot claim to use the democratic institutions of these countries in which russia kept its money and which ukrainian delegation has now succeeded and what other issues besides the one you are dealing with will be raised will be raised to feed the world the issue of humanitarian aid and that is what we need now we will open up to our allies, of course, the issue of war crimes and bringing putin to justice, and everyone involved in these crimes will talk about diplomatic work and how to strengthen it and in what directions it should go this year in davos, as far as

i know, a large ukrainian delegation will be present people 's deputies, soldiers, diplomats, representatives of civil society, everyone who can now speak with our allies should use any platform to do so because we understand very well that this is ukraine for us, and everything that is happening is the most important thing in the world, we see that in order for ukraine to remain on the front pages, we need to work very hard all the time. that's why we do all this or will ukraine, well, i will say otherwise, it is unlikely that ukraine will be the main topic at davos. but will ukraine be one of the topics that will be heard most often? absolutely, davos is a conference about the future. you cannot plan the future. without considering ukraine, you cannot plan. even the next one

year, just as you and i cannot plan our lives, because we know very well what a shaky situation we have, the world cannot plan anything in the same way, taking into account that our situation can change at any moment and what are the consequences for of every country in any corner of the world are also currently unpredictable, we convince everyone that the consequences are the continuation of the war and every day when there is a war it has negative consequences for absolutely everyone and that the task of our partners now is to help us simply win win as soon as possible ago that for us every day this is suffering - this is death. this is the fall of the economy. we will win late, but for us it is critical early , it is clear, look, there will be no russians in davos this year, were they not invited or did they

simply not come, because i don’t think there is a problem with passports, there is also something with visas , why is it always, it is always ideas in parallel they are not invited and they do not say that they are not came and that they did not and did not intend and never planned the same as it was at the meeting of the g8, the same as it was at most international conferences because now the russians are causing a huge amount of negativity, they are causing irritation . irritation is not even for even for those people who can, uh, do not unequivocally support ukraine, they understand that most of the discomfort of the problems that their country is facing is related to the russians and their actions. therefore, now they are trying to be quiet and to work with our allies, it is iran and belarus and north korea, that is, as you understand it, no, iranian, belarusian, north korea - these are not the ones who go to davos, and that

's why we don't expect that there will be any russian lobby, although we'll see, you know, there is always some small part is enough er-er impudent er-representatives who may be well, we will wait for them we will look for them well, i wish you success, wait, look, lady, please tell me, there was no davos because of covid, er, politicians, economists said that it was almost it was a waste of time for them, but now we met a very large delegation from many countries, and why is it so important to meet face to face, talk, leave ? i understand some agreements, how important is it, why is it important, the panic of davos as a big conference that gathers not

only politicians and economists, it gathers representatives of various industries, including the technological industry that exhibits here its latest achievements and shows where the world will be heading, it is important to meet and talk because we understand that politics and decisions are made not only by logic, they are made by emotions and they are made by understanding eh, what is the general average temperature in the room, but davos is an opportunity to firstly, to influence this temperature in the room, and secondly, it is an opportunity to feel it from completely different countries from different directions, this is a place where people get information about where the world is moving and can influence it. where to move it, for example, the idea of ​​confiscating russian assets, and work on it began last year, which took place due to

covid in the summer in may. it is necessary to confiscate the assets. we met there and all the work as it is currently being carried out, it began precisely in the dacha, of course, it is interesting to see. last week, the american edition of the new york times printed an article in which there is one interesting phrase, it sounds like this, if the old one is gone, the new one has not yet been born , that is, now there is a kind of transition period that the world is going through, and in this transition period, it is obvious that ukraine, which also defends its independence , its freedom on the battlefield with the russian horde, how is this transitional period worth using in ukraine and are we using it? well, we are really using this transitional period. i

think there is no person in the world who does not know the phrase b-bray in like ukraine, be brave like ukraine be brave like ukrainians er, there is not er now a country that does not understand how it is related to us, whether it is food security, or physical security, or cultural ties, so we are now doing our best on our part. i believe that er- we are working very actively and there are results, but the question is how will this transition period end, we understand that it must end firstly with the victory of ukraine in the war and secondly with a new world security system because the old security system that was built after the second world war she it definitely doesn't work, we've all seen it, what will the world look like after the war, what do we aspire to, how do we, as democratic countries,

plan to oppose er-e tyrannies, scattered , the only tyranny er-e that exists in the world, which looks to raise its head er- what will russia look like after the war or will it split into many large national states ? quickly and efficiently we will rebuild the country. but this is of course an absolutely historic chance for us to make a leap, which er, which er, we could not do for a long time. look now, ukraine er shows an example not only in how to resist the aggressor, we are the world leader in digitization, i am not afraid of it say because no country in europe, no country in the world has made such progress as we have, and everyone who is currently

outside of ukraine and has encountered interaction with the state always says thank god, thank god that we have action or god is there how long have we been through this? and that is why we must continue this agenda with the fact that ukraine is not only a state that is fighting for its freedom and independence, that ukraine is a modernized state, it is a progressive state, it is a state that turned out to be feeding a great part of the world and wants to continue doing it, it is a state that has a unique culture that we are ready to share with and that we are ready to show that we are ready to integrate into european western values ​​that ukraine is a state that has huge potential and not only the potential that everyone is looking at, that we will be able to be part of the reconstruction of the huge infrastructural post-war

reconstruction, and it will be a country that has the most modern army in the world, an army with real combat experience, a country that has gone so far in military technology that now the united states and great britain are looking at this with open eyes and saying oh god, we can't even believe that in such a short time you could do so much, that's why i'm very optimistic. now i'm looking at the future, we're doing everything for it so that our army has everything it needs and so that victory comes as soon as possible, just so that we have a prominent place just in the new, renewed world, mother, thank you for this work by pierre jan stoltonberg, the secretary general of nato said in one of the interviews on saturday that even after the end of the russian war in ukraine, which she started, as we all know to our great regret , on february 24. last year, relations with

the aggressor country are not normalizing, and the quote by jantsa s tolten bryan, as there will be no ms. kiru, and how it will be depends directly on when and how the war will end. that is, of course, we hope that the war will end as soon as possible and, within russia, a collapse will occur, which is critical for us, for the future and how we will rebuild ukraine . it is important that russia does not remain in its existing state, but we understand that things can be wrong, we understand that history does not always turn out the way we would like and it is possible . imagine that today we won. we went to our borders and russia remained weakened, but still a country that has nuclear weapons and huge imperial ambitions and a complete disregard for reality at what

moment will you get on a plane that will fly to kyiv this is what we all dream of that one day it will happen yes it will be a sign of peace but at what moment will we be able to do it knowing that at any - at what point they might have something in their head and they might launch a missile, this is the question that yen stoldenberg asks, what, uh, we need to think about what will be the counterweight deterrence systems against the defeated aggressor, the aggressor who started the war but failed in it defeat the aggressor who sits and quietly dreams of a plan of revenge, where i am sure that in post-war russia the directions of egalitarianism will be very, very, very popular, so what will we do as democratic countries in order to restrain them, and ukraine, unfortunately, will remain a country that will be the main which will deter russia, so it's very good that nato, the nato countries, are already thinking about it now, but i think that they should always be refocused

on the fact that let's first of all help ukraine to win as soon as possible, because again this is a quick defeat. this will be a lever and a way to influence post-war russia. it is clear. well, i really, really hope that there will be this fragmented russia that you are talking about one day, because it seems to me that this is the best option for our victory, rather as the result of our victory over this empire, when today i started the program with the first speaker . according to this study, more than a million more than a million yes, now, now, in the krasnoyarsk region,

more than a million households took part in the study , so 178,000 people have a street toilet , and there are some other types of toilets there. and there is no toilet at all in the krasnoyarsk region, a- and 393 households, and 1,000 more than a thousand in private houses. i don't understand how it is possible not to have a toilet in a private house. and what do they do if there is no toilet? and we will defeat this country, and it is defragmented a country without a toilet. it will remain. thank you, ms. kira. thank you for participating in the program today . good luck in your work now in davos, well, i have to sum up the results of today's program, so i have to quickly sum

up . that will unite eh 39% believe that it will not unite and your option 8%, as i always say, you will be able to read your option only after the program has already ended and in which it will already be fully explained on youtube and at the moment in we are watched by 2,30018 people, and i would say this is very , very much yes. finally, i would like to remind you that whoever is watching us on youtube, please put your favorite under this under this program, if you liked it, put a dislike although i i don't really want you to put it if it is for you if you don't like it, write something. if you have something to ask, because it is very important to us. well, that's it. i have to end it, but our broadcast continues and i