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to my colleague serhiy rudenko serhiy i congratulate you yuriy i congratulate you thank you for your word literally in a few seconds we start the verdict glory to ukraine this is the verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today, january 16, is the 327th day of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers under putin. viktor medvedchuk, who was stripped of his ukrainian citizenship, calls for the creation of a political movement in ukraine with collaborators. moscow and minsk began military exercises in belarus. during the past day, ukrainian aviation has carried out nine strikes on enemy concentration areas and two strikes and by his means against air defense, meanwhile, russian troops continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine , as of the morning of january 16, russia lost in

ukraine 116,000 80 people in the last day only, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 790 orks with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 318 tanks, 624 combat vehicles and vehicles, 299 artillery systems, 438 rocket launcher systems, 230 air defense systems, 286 aircraft, 276 helicopters, 4,870 units of automobile equipment 17 qatari ships 749 cruise missiles 1872 drones and 190 units of special equipment about how the belarusians are thundering with weapons again and medvedchuk wants to create putin's party in ukraine about shelling mass shelling which the russian troops inflicted on kyiv, the dnipro, and other cities on january 14.

we will talk about all this for the next hour. i would like to introduce today's guest - he is a people's deputy of ukraine, colonel of the security service of ukraine roman kostenko, mr. colonel, good day, good health to you, i am glad to see you in on our broadcast, good afternoon, mr. serhiy, so let's start with the situation that is developing in our country in general after the massive shelling of cities on january 14 in his evening address the president of ukraine expressed his condolences to all those who lost their relatives and loved ones during the armed attack in the dnipro and to thank the world for the words of sympathy. the president spoke about the

situation that will develop on the eastern front. many leaders, public figures, journalists, of course, people from different countries of the world, as in everyone, who did not remain indifferent . of any stop that each of our fighters, each of our soldiers, sergeants, officers who understand how important it is to destroy the occupier. it is in this direction that russia has made the battle for the cities of our donbas fundamental for itself. our heroes make this battle fundamental for the destruction of the combat potential of the state terrorist. when i told mr. colonel about january 14, about the massive shelling of ukrainian cities, he meant another event that happened on january 14, for the first time, kyiv was fired with s-300 and s-400 missiles, and this

this is the biggest let's put it this way - the news in the current series of attacks is because it is impossible to shoot down these missiles, these missiles are launched at a speed of 300-400, 34,000 kilometers per hour, so we did not understand where the ukrainian shelling actually came from capital and answers to this. unfortunately, no one has given yet. well, i think that it should be given first of all by either the ministry of defense to which gur is subordinate or the general staff, but judging by the range of these missiles, yes, it is quite strange that the russians did not use before because in the south direction they used these rockets - these are the rockets that you rightly say are practically impossible to shoot down. and they used them to bombard mykolaiv and

the mykolaiv region and the territory of the occupied kherson region, and they proved themselves quite effectively in terms of the fact that they always reach the target practically because have high speed, i will remind you that these are rockets that are included in anti-aircraft missile systems, and the main thing is speed, and it catches up with us to the nearest targets, even for that reason. that is how we used them also a lot of them were destroyed in these installations, but they are, er, missiles of which, i think, are the most of this class that can strike our infrastructure, er, they are relatively accurate , not all of them are super accurate, but they are relatively accurate, sometimes we can plus or minus 100 but sometimes, however, they hit clearly. they destroyed almost all higher educational institutions in mykolaiv with them, and they are now using them to bypass er our ppu, therefore, the task of hitting them with such

missiles. i don’t know in belarus very long ago shelling as the territory of the russians, the territory of belarus, and i think that this is a response to the fact that we began to shoot down their cruise missiles en masse, having so many of them, they start shelling with such missiles in order to cause further damage to our infrastructure objects and objects a civilian object, i.e. roman, and i understand that kyiv is now vulnerable to these missiles, and so far these missiles have not flown towards the ukrainian capital, but in all of these stories, a logical question arises: if these missiles will fly hypothetically, now we are talking from the outside of the republic of belarus, does this mean that all the targets from which these missiles will be launched are either

in the direction of kyiv or in the direction of zhytomyr or in the direction of lutsk or in the direction of lviv and that all these targets on the territory of the republic of belarus will be legal targets for destruction by the armed forces of ukraine yes , it will indeed have goals in the law, and here it will be necessary to make, let's say, a military-political decision, not only a military one, because all goals on the territory of the russian federation are legal goals for us on the territory of the russian federation the republic of belarus can be said of the russian republic of belarus eh they also become laws goals and here we need to make a decision on how we express them if it will be mass shelling or we will see clearly that they are flying i think that we have to give eh blows to those rather , the specifics of those missiles are such that in order to strike at kiev, they need to come as close as possible to the border and deploy their launchers somewhere nearby.

maybe there is some minimum range and they will be under, let’s say so they will be able to be struck by our means. and we understand that this will mean a completely different stage of the cessation of hostilities, and we must be ready for this when we strike, which is possible. lukashenko could already officially support the aggression of the russian federation by the belarusian people, they can then say that ukraine is shelling us, that's why we enter the war and thus help the russian federation, that's why i have to say it again a political decision, a military-political one, yes, we fired, we are defending ourselves, we are moving around the territory of belarus in response to the fact that they are firing missiles at us, for this we need clear intelligence or evidence so that belarus

does not constantly use it if these complexes are located in belarus capable of launching the s-300 and s-400, then the northern border is our border, which is shown quite often on a single telethon, and in general they say that there is a reliable border, it is well fenced, mined, well, if there is such a missile complexes, no, it is not so important that what is happening on the border, do i understand correctly, no, i still think that it is important because one exercise is to fire rockets , rockets are fired at me and ours . does not mean that they have taken over. yes, until the gas of a soldier enters the territory, it is not considered taken over. i have always said that they can fire, that is one thing, that they can come to take over and annex and also occupy our territory is quite another. this can be divided, well, according to the level, because our first task is, after all, to contain and

hold our borders and mine them and keep troops there, which is what we are doing now, because the main task of belarus now is not to contain our group, instead of using it there in the south, in the east of the country, we hold 1,083 km of the border so that belarus could not invade , because the troops of the russian federation could not invade from the territory of belarus, and the other thing is that there are already arrows at ukraine, which has already shown everyone that no shelling, no the destruction of the critical infrastructure there or damage will not force us to capitulate, so here rockets are rockets. and we really have to fight against them and inflict anti-astritis. you can fight only with the task of preventive strikes in places where calcium has gone to the cities , er, launching those missiles. well, the territory is already different . here our defense forces must hold so that belarus does not enter and the city of kyiv does not remain under threat again, they became

exactly since the last land tuesday , joint air-tactical exercises have started today in belarus training of the aviation units of the armed forces of the republic of belarus and russia are informed that on the russian side, the military formation of the air and space forces participates in the training. the russians and belarusians plan to work out. support of troop groups, landing of tactical airborne troops , delivery of goods and evacuation of the wounded, mr. colonel, we know what ends joint training of russia and the republic of belarus, and the result of this was an attack by belarus on february 24, 2022, when the russians crossed the belarusian-ukrainian border and began an attack on kyiv, zhytomyr, and

chernihiv, in your opinion, are the current air maneuvers dangerous for ukraine, well , considering the fact that they want to, er, learn tactical airborne landings, well, everything that is happening in the republic of the republics was the russian federation at the moment it is a threat to our, we understand that everything now it is being trained in the future it can be used against uh us the enemy, the russian federation and our defense forces are all ready for the spring campaign, no matter what, and winter makes its adjustments, you cannot conduct any strategic offensive operations because

you cannot plan a lot of them factors that affect this and the main thing that will develop and what the russians are preparing for with their own strength is the cherry on top. to be ready. here is the same spring company in which i am sure combat operations are underway and even stronger with new forces. when we come to the resource of the russian federation, i am not saying that they will defeat us there, but they will try carry out strategic operations and the question is whether to join belarus or not. it is now very acute and i am sure that no one fully knows at the moment we have information that there are no uh strike groups and they are not ready because of the political situation inside does not allow and lukashenko began to try to stay until there is no, let's say, the victory procession of the russian federation, he is trying to

stay aside to somehow help but not directly use the armed forces of the republic of belarus, especially since there is information that and military personnel of the republic of belarus do not always, let's say so, not all support and a large part do not support this very secondly, that's why i now think the russians now their diplomatic direction is over that and putin personally in order to drag belarus into the war to divide everything that first of all, strengthen yourself the second is to share the responsibility for this war, well, it will enter because it will enter. i think we will find out already at the beginning of the spring campaign. i think now in april, when the russians will be ready to leave again after accumulating forces and resources try to achieve their goals. and i will say that they do not have the goals they set to capture the whole of ukraine, but they still left the

south and the left bank of ukraine. we will depend primarily on our partners. whether we give such an opportunity, whether they will be able to or not , now there is a rather wide discussion, at least in social networks, about the already post-post event of the task of the attack of russian troops on the dnieper and the demolition of the entire approach to residential building, there were different interpretations of what happened there, almost four dozen people died and more than 60 people were injured, and a lot of people who disappeared are still being searched for, the adviser of the office of the president of ukraine, arestovych , says that the anti-aircraft forces of the russian missile were shot down the air force says that such missiles cannot be

shot down, it is a x22 class missile, let's see what yuriy ignat, the representative of the air force and the armed forces of ukraine, said about these missiles flying over our cities and about our capabilities to protect ourselves from such missiles , did the defense fighters find information there, or who found it there, or did anyone from another unit see a missile, it seems that garden 22 is lying like that, they took a photo, and well, probably to improve the statistics, or how we shot down a missile, so we shot down a missile and it fell bringing together the appropriate group there, yes, on the facebook page and about and the snake is spreading , in fact, in fact, there is a simple reason why there are several such reports about the destroyer 22 or other missiles, for example, the s300

missile. the question is rhetorically clear that it can't, well , actually, and i've been talking about it for six months now, that we don't shoot down such and such rockets, there are onyx, 122, or s300, it's impossible, we shoot down calibers and we shoot down huskies, one kharkiv 1559 , no message from me about the breakdown it was somehow not clear, well, that is, the position is absolutely clear and i understood that such missiles are simply, even practically impossible to shoot down. how do you , colonel, treat different interpretations of what is happening ? at the front and outside the front in peaceful cities. when what was said later, as it was in the case of the registrants, is used by russian propaganda to say, well, you see , the khokhlas shot down a rocket there, and it fell on a residential

building and killed people. well, of course, this is now happening on the information front the war is the same as it is on the fields, so we have to be very careful with our statements here, and we understand the consequences of this when you talk about such things. well, the main thing is that now there are many questions about the solidarity and only the general i think i should comment on what directly happened there. i was also asked questions and i have information. but i really think that this or that information can harm the armed forces of ukraine and especially those fighters who are currently in positions there. especially in the first days when, er, there er, some movements began and some, let's say, bloodshed and fighting continued there, and some decisions were made, this should be commented on by the general staff, so here it is again. i say to everyone who conveys information, sometimes of course there is our the society should have this information, it is better for

them to find out later, no one will get hurt there, than to rush for some skype or er, say to pass on some information that, well, except for you, can have some advantages and will provide as a speaker er, yes, the guys will suffer from this who is it that it is a big job that you need to understand what you are saying in the kremlin they say commenting on the story with the tragic story in the dnipro that they do not attack residential buildings let's hear from putin's press secretary dmitry piskov they do not strike them living houses or the objects of the social infrastructure are struck for obvious or disguised military purposes. well, that's the short position. they always lie and talk about what they don't do. they don't kill civilians. they say that they strike at

the military infrastructure. mr. colonel, considering how they are waging war, and we know that they are waging a hybrid war, you have already said that there is an information war, there is a war against the civilian population, there is a war against the military, they are frank the war crimes they commit on the territory of ukraine, considering the number of war crimes committed against peaceful citizens of ukraine, as i understand it, falls or should fall under the jurisdiction of an international tribunal, because what the russian federation is doing now must come to some logical conclusion that they are not waging a war, well, in the classical sense, they are destroying the civilian population of ukraine, how likely is the creation of such an international tribunal? well, we

see that our international partners are already are working on creating such a tribunal and talking about it, i think it will be right , but we have to understand that in addition to the international tribunal, there should be our own personal terminal , those are terrorist actions, then i am on tourist acts , what is the russian federation doing in relation to our civilian population? well, they they say that these people should be punished should be punished according to the first, we should take revenge for each of our civilians , children, women, men, and all those who died during this war in the russian federation or i was wounded or maimed, they have to answer for it, this is our uh, this is also the task of ukraine, this is also the task of the entire world society, so that, as they say, it would be safe in the future to solve such bloody conflicts again, i will say that the tribunal that was nyukersky began in the 1945th year , so he received, yes, in the

70s, he received, in principle, a generation of several generations that were from the bloody war, but he did not study this to putin this year and decided to solve his war if he came out a winner if he had achieved all those goals that were set, then maybe he could have gotten away with it, but ukraine has not yet provided defense forces, our ukrainian people are not pushing to do the same, this is the first priority now for us to win the war and return our territory the next task of mine and of the special services and our defense forces and in general the state of ukraine as every citizen of us in my place is to punish everyone and severely punish everyone who gave orders, made decisions , implemented these decisions through there even launch of rockets, it should reach a specific performer who should be afraid to go to sleep in his bed, who how will we win, all those who

committed these crimes must or answer according to the law. by the laws of war, you mean not only according to international pacts, and look, we remember the nuremberg trial, there are many people who, uh, many well, if you can call them that, they are the people of the executors who destroyed people in the apartment of the constitutional camps who followed the orders of murders of the civilian population, so let 's say they, er, received amnesty, as if those who carried out orders. well, i don't think that it was a mistake. a person specifically understands what he is doing when he fires rockets at living houses for several consecutive times. therefore, these people must answer and that on the execution of times against peace against humanity and they have in

order to prevent war in the future these people have to answer and i am sure that for this even at the tribunal that will have to be fully present, let's give it to the lord colonel, let's return to the situation on the eastern front in the area of ​​bakhmut and soledar, british intelligence says that in the last six weeks, both ukraine and the russian federation have achieved limited success, but for operational breakthroughs, both sides need to create a combination of combat-ready troops capable of using these successes, the british report that during the weekend, intense fighting continued both near the crimea and in the nabakhmut direction, and as of january 15, the armed forces of ukraine almost certainly held positions in soledar, despite the long-term shelling by wagner's group, and the fighting around the flint is characterized by a

complex series of local attacks and a counterattack in a wooded area. now in bakhmut, uh, according to bahmut, it works very well. well, in principle, i’m as strong as usual, in intensity, more artillery, mortars, there are more, uh, stormtroopers, it’s trying again with masses of infantry, as well as all-rounders to break through the defenses because they need to show another victory over absolutely small towns, but bakhmut is holding on bakhmut is standing uh in bakhmut, well, don't disperse treason, be careful and vigilant bakhmut is standing bakhmut is holding bakhmut is ukraine , the ukrainian flag is flying there,

ukrainian units are standing there, friends everything will be ukraine . our commander-in-chief valery zaluzhny knows what he is doing. all these things that are happening around the solidar and bakhmut is not just mr. colonel, let's talk about what what the wagnerites and the regular armed forces of the russian federation are striving for during the long-term assault and bahmut and soledar what they want to get as a result of this. look, in principle, i have already said and uh, the military serviceman who spoke before this from kyiv, i agree with him that uh they want to get a victory, they really need a victory, that's why they have concentrated their resources there, and they simply code thousands and tens of thousands of their fighters there in order to somehow cover their defeats .

bakhmut and soledar in their society, the information space, the propaganda space , it can only be called that, and for this , then, in most cases, it is also necessary for them to take small towns with small victories and tell them that, look, we have taken over. well, separate interests are already in general, the interests of the russian federation regarding the interim capture of the donetsk luhansk region as they want, for them there was generally a victory with which they fell to put a tick on the achievement of some goals in this let's say how they they are called special military operations and there are mini-files of each participant, i am interested in who is fighting there, it is mr. prigozhin with his wagner, who wants to show that it was he who brought this victory to the russian federation,

to serve putin, to show that it has an army and to subject himself more and this now, he was still raw, and he was not a match for that group, now we see that he is so politically motivated, putin put gerasimo in charge of the war in ukraine and the occupation forces, and now they are trying to remove prigozhin despite the statements that he said that he has already launched a strike, we see that the ministry of defense is officially denying this means that they have a conflict , so now there will be an attempt to subordinate to you shoigu's units of the cpk wagner in order to lower the status after the status of prigozhin himself. well, write this down a victory if it will be er or er an attempt to victory over the armed forces of the russian federation, after all, to show that, after all, the army that is subordinate to it can not only bring defeats, but can bring some victories. well, if to the direction itself well, bakhmut is standing

everything is correct, but here the main thing is not to create conditions there, if you are dar and the south, have courage, so that i think they were now, take him under that, in order to close our group there, so the situation there is difficult, our commander-in-chief, i think you the supreme head commander also understands that there are great ones thrown there. our forces and means will do everything to prevent the situation from developing so that our people are surrounded. sometimes war is maneuvers . you need to maneuver if you need to go to more advantageous positions you need to go as they say sometimes you have to take a-e step back to then take two steps forward and we have to understand that we are not wagnerian not russia where we can throw at the meat of our military if the situation is under control and it is necessary to regroup and go on, it is very important if