you will be punished according to the degrees of execution and further. it will already be a little bit psychological when people will treat those people who were in the occupation in one way or another. well, unfortunately here, everything will depend on the emotional state. of a person from many other factors, but i repeat once again, where is the rule of law, the court and lynch, or lynchings, this absolutely should not be the norm of our life, you know, in fact, betrayal is not a unique ukrainian phenomenon, let's remember general vlasov well, the question is what is it a russian general who, by the way, contributed to a large extent to the fact that kyiv managed to hold kyiv during the first stage of the enemy german attacks on the capital, he was stalin's favorite general, but it's just that how many times he was thrown er-er alone and actually thrown at will what well, he ended up in ranks in the ranks of the nazis and created this russian

liberation army there. that is, it is not, well, in history we know many betrayals, well, the betrayal of caesar, let's say he was with ascetics, 40 people killed him, in fact, the people with whom he comes to this power, well, becoming a tyrant there in the roman empire, treason, let's say, let's remember the trojan horse when, well, this is a more legendary story, but when, uh, cassandra said that this should not be done, and the people believed the soviets and actually accepted this treason , uh overturned troy to its fall and in history there are many such stories of stories of betrayals, but ukraine has its own such a separate story, you know betrayal is the most painful and the worst when it occurs at such a key stage and russia very often uses this treason as my last hope, eh, i understand that now, well, you can, you know, look for this treason with your fingers, well, ukrainian society itself is cemented, the ukrainian government is cemented, despite the differences there

. at the key stage of this war, you know, i am comparing this winter war, which is now turning into a spring war into a summer war, with what happened near stalingrad in 42-43 . did not reduce the strength of the german army, they simply regrouped and went to the volga, so if it was possible, say, to take stalingrad on the volga, then the war would have followed a different scenario, that is, the key was the confrontation right there on the volga , and there then the soviet army, with the help of one lisa, of course, managed to hold back and turn the tide i blame them here, i also think that now , too, the by-catch is the turning point of this war, right now is this winter-spring campaign , which continues with very heavy battles in the donbass, and now the enemy is very important to him to have a traitor, tell me, please, in ukraine, in ukrainian society, is it possible to find a traitor now, and in which links should we look for him, and can russia still achieve its results if ukrainian society is monolithic, and this

traitor is in a key position well, it seems to me that it would be more effective to search for traitors in ukrainian society until february 24, 2022, when these traitors held high, could hold high positions, and could even sit in the verkhovna rada, conduct policy on it is a pity for the ukrainian state that the events of february 24, 2022, to reveal the undisguised aggression of russia, and the terrible aggression of destruction and bombing with terrible victims, especially among the civilian population, with huge victims among our military personnel , opened the eyes of many people and brought up what is called such a fat red line today, find a person which it will be open with common sense to call on e-e to lay down arms, stop

resistance and go over to the side of russia. it seems impossible to me, another matter is that our security service actively hunts down people who carry out this kind of disintegration work in social networks on the internet in various vkontakte there or some other such of course agents are minimal agents of influence they are left now they are actively sought out with them they undergo the appropriate kind of educational work such people receive prison terms and this well, this also affects the consciousness of those people who may be wavering because, again, remember how tolerant ukrainian society was, how tolerant the ukrainian state was until february 22, when, well, let's let's talk. the same nelya stepa, yes peace , slavyanska came out in the end and hmm , let's just say she was not punished enough

for what she did with the content of the slavic language, and there came bandahirki, well, and many other such cases. well, today our government and law enforcement agencies, in my opinion , demonstrate sufficiently high efficiency , that's why to look for such a deaf person eh, it's ridiculous eh, but to look for that kind of thing , i am, i understand. what is the purpose of this program? he wrote or it was written for him, he signed this article that was published in moscow, well, there is a different situation, he was exchanged, exchanged for our soldiers, for our prisoners, and now he works off all the money that was invested in him, he signed the text that he gave and plus medvedchuk never differed in any way there patriotic

pro-ukrainian position, it is another matter that this appeal of er medvedchuk will definitely not find any publicity er and response among the ukrainian society this war must end end with our victory and in the end these sacrifices that ukraine and ukrainian society make for the victory of victory should not be in vain and any cooperation with the enemy today will actually be a betrayal of those people who died and died during this almost year of war . as the next guest, i thank you very much mr. andrii for participating. thank you for your historical stories and historical comments that you provided. andrii lukas was with us . of historical sciences, associate professor of taras shevchenko kyiv national university, member of the latvian academy of sciences , director of the institute for the study of the holocaust in

eastern europe. this topic is already closer to the ukrainian political realities of today, it is not a story. bondarenko, the verkhovna rada of ukraine stripped the mandates of four pro-russian deputies from a positional platform banned by the police force for life, thus prematurely lost the powers of viktor medvedchuk taras kozak andriy derkach and rinat kuzmin, who were recently stripped of their ukrainian citizenship, were all accused of treason viktor medvedchuk tried to flee ukraine shortly after the full-scale invasion he was detained by law enforcement officers, later the russian politician was exchanged for 200 captured ukrainian defenders taras kozak kutiku russia, even before the start of the war, he is also accused of an attempt to loot national resources in crimea, another fugitive people's deputy, andrii derkach, the security service suspects him of managing an agent network

of the russian general staff, which was supposed to help the invaders seize ukraine. in the united states, they believe that derkach was a russian agent for more than 10 years but rynat kuzmin is not at all ashamed to publicly support the criminal invasion of our country, according to the information of the investigation, kuzmin voiced it in his speeches and spread it through social media networks of hostile propaganda, in addition, the parliament prematurely terminated the mandate of people's deputy andrii aksyonov, who previously wrote a statement of his own free will, according to the sbu, aksyonov has a russian passport, he is also involved in the pseudo-referendum in donbass in 2014, he wrote in the comments in our youtube channel there are comments on the matter, like it, spread it us e-e on youtube also on instagram on twitter on telegram on facebook espresso has a website espresso dot tv read join distribute comment it is important they write what you say means well in russian they write that the truth is in yourself on the e-e channel, you start an interpersonal conversation who

likes and who doesn't like during the war with russia you drown yourself no we do n't drown ourselves traitors must be identified and traitors must be neutralized as much as possible without giving them the opportunity to do anything influence, because in ukrainian history, as we just talked with mr. rukas, betrayal very often played a tragic tragic role, and we do not want betrayal to play a tragic role in this, well , in fact, the key and decisive war of ukraine against russia, i would like to add to the conversation viktor boborenko, an expert of the bureau of policy analysis. viktor, i congratulate you. good health to you and that our citizens understand why this war is decisive and decisive in fact in the thousand-year-old confrontation between russia and forests, which today has turned into a confrontation between ukraine and russia. not yesterday. this pilot who was in command of that squadron, which plane from which launched the missile from the dnieper, a russian journalist called him and started asking questions, and he thought they were ukrainian journalists and started something there to tell, ukraine is the only woman, yes , the only region in russia, you won't even

be different regions, you will be a single region. and when he found out that a russian woman says like a russian woman in russia, journalists don't ask such questions in russia, a journalist does not ask questions at all, yes, i also guarantee that yes because we simply understood that for these russians we are the only region of russia, so if we lose, there will be no ukraine, there will not even be a ukrainian soviet socialist republic, it will just be the south-western region of russia, so it is important to speak here and it is important i'm sorry, it's not important to minimize the influence of traitors. i still want to start with this article by medvedchuk, because it actually played an important role in the fact that we chose this topic, and now i want us to look at the box of this article. and i will briefly quote to you what the traitor said to the ukrainian and now, already a citizen of the russian federation and not a citizen of ukraine, viktor volodymyrovych medvedchuk, the ukrainian peace party is not respected either in europe or in the usa, this speaks eloquently about the fact that the majority of american and european politicians they do not want any peace in ukraine, but this

does not mean that ukrainians do not want peace and zelenskyi’s military triumvirate is more important to them than their lives and destroyed houses, just those who stood for peace because of instructions from the west were lied to, intimidated and repressed, the ukrainian peace party simply did not fit into the western democracy here and the second piece you- and this is given er and there er who didn't give up who didn't renounce under fear of death from their beliefs er who doesn't want his country to become a place of geopolitical showdowns the world needs to hear such people who would the west not demanded a monopoly on the truth, i.e. medvedchuk says that there should be a peace party, it must be listened to and he from russia is ready to bring us this peace. -e he still er-e well er-e can write and i think that these are his sincere thoughts, that's the only thing that er-e well, they are definitively definite there type er-e exactly, well, not from where, well, the way to

peace is simple, just enter and draw in and withdraw the troops. but again, as he said military that they consider not only donetsk luhansk crimea but also khersonsk without kherson and zaporizhzhia without zaporizhzhia oblast as their own, and because someone has to agree with the fact that when we ask the question whose crimea is in theirs, it is also forbidden for them if someone says let's give crimea to ukraine, it's a crime under our russian laws. if someone says let's give crimea to russia, it's a crime under ukrainian legislation, that is, the legislation of one country denies the transfer of crimea to one or another party, we have no reason to negotiations there, well, uh, because we say that everything is with us uh, uh, we will negotiate

with you when we see the ruins of the kerch bridge and from there volodymyr oleksandrovich zelenskiy plows into the kerch strait, uh, and that's why such articles are like that this is a shaking of the air because both societies are now a russian and ukrainian miracle of a victorious end, and therefore the only way out of the situation is whose army is the first to die and will accordingly convey its sentiments and society, or is the society the first to order, he will lose the war if we are our society will to we will win the war absolutely any way you like, and that is why this article does not make sense, it is not clear for whom it was written , who is the target group, who should read it as soon as possible . what did

you read in nine countries, vasylovich? in nine countries, european studies were conducted, and 48% of europeans believe that it is acceptable that peace could be achieved even through territorial concessions of ukraine and that is, european society has already become numb to the war, and maybe putin is counting on someone else to kill some more influence. you see, there is no peace party in ukraine, according to medvedchuk, please . the negotiating table, that's all , everything is our party of peace, you know. at the same time , officials in the united states of america said that putin decided to push to the end. and we will also push to the end and are ready to support financial weapons there.

holy people who will say yes have made ukraine a platform for geopolitical showdowns , the war continues in ukraine, although europe clearly understands this. and the war that is ongoing in ukraine may not end in ukraine, and in germany yesterday an unambiguous statement was made that if the war does not end in ukraine and ukraine will not win suddenly, then the war will continue until it will be the third world war. because putin will not stop. well , europe will not be able to accept russia as it will be . for ukraine, you know here an important question, er, those people who worked for russia openly, who supported anti-maidan, supported yanukovych when he took a purely pro-russian position, because yanukovych once also took a pro- ukrainian position. well, let's say when he supported association with the eu before putin scared his death in sochi he supported yanukovych's european path of development despite the fact that he was a bandit, but he did, and then of course he openly supported the russian position and allowed russian troops to enter ukraine called them to ukraine and fled from our country

, so at that time he was supported by politicians who now remain both in and in the bank . about boyko and about shufrich and boyko, if i'm not mistaken, together with medvedchuk, they flew to moscow then to meet the bears and putin, that is, well, but these people are staying and now they are wearing such yellow-blue capes and capes and they go to the floor council and in addition to honey the shame of his former comrades as with let's figure this out, these people today can play some role, at least some negative for ukraine, as traitors in the legislative body of power, of course, for them it is necessary to treat them as traitors and as potential traitors, and what they changed like chameleons, there is no one, uh, us well, if only we didn’t think that it was so, that they really became leavened gas station patriots there, uh,

i think that uh, their irsophilicism and their ukrainophobia didn’t go anywhere, and they didn’t share with that shufrych, with the same boyk, and in general with all the opzzhniks not only the same there are a lot of them in the regions. yes, i have them there in sumy, what do you think, and there is less of a female passenger, what are they, they just now buried these st. george ribbons somewhere in a safe place in the distant drawer. especially in the regions there, let's say there in the urban districts, they very often went to kharkiv or there in the south of ukraine, yes, where they were chosen there , they were not actually patriots of russia or anti-patriots of ukraine, these people in the majority of their kotrabinovych, they are... the ideas of the fighters for money signs, and they

simply used the love of a certain part of the russian federation, but they and putin were wrong about people, people, in fact, even those who wanted peace with russia, they did not want peace through the return of crimea, yes, and peace with in russia, it's not necessarily hatred of ukraine, but that's exactly what they thought and putin, the main deep reason for putin's mistake is that he thought that they would be greeted here with flowers and bread and salt, but it didn't work out that way, so basically he, well , here's how it is i say that when did you choose the ukrainians of zelensky, they did not choose the army, the language, faith, they chose an agreement to see peace in putin’s eyes, and accordingly, by voting for it, they brought putin into trouble, and just like here at the house

of soluble apozazhists, a large part of ukraine is for peace at any price but don't forget which one and that's why part of ukrainians may want peace, but not at any price and this should be known. is for all the good things, it means he fought there with those pro-russians. well, you mean ilya of kiev, too. by the way , such a very emotional man was on the air, but now he is in russia, and he is there, so it means he mocked ukraine, he tried to destroy bandera, well, in one word, such a vivid example of such an adventurer, in fact, an adventurer, what does he want and what is he doing there? well, in fact, he did not

turn out to be a traitor to ukraine and the ukrainian idea, let's listen to this person like that say with russia we ukrainians and russians are one people, i appeal to the president, don't catch today's bloodshed glory to ukraine , don't sit down at the table until there are sleds standing behind you, your position, well, open the door i will fight the russian claim to donbas and ukrainization and that's how it happened

you know, it’s just an illustrative example. how did it happen that this person and such a person are probably not the same person from bandera, a nationalist and a person who wanted to do ukrainization in donbas turned into a person who accuses zelensky of arriving, calls for a maritsia with russia and he continues to work for the enemy . connections with the fsb or maybe even the russians secretly invested money in them, now they have to work out, that is, they were on the hook for a long time, these are the people on the hook who should be feared the most, they can remain sleeping agents in ukraine today, but they can to activate the sincerity of kiev's beliefs. i don't believe. well, a person who says one thing and then says something completely different, well, that's but it's a demonstrative example . please, let's get these sleeping agents of people with whom russia worked a long time ago, they just somehow didn't shine, as they say, well, let him e- let's say kiva is a nationalist and

kiva is now a big russophile. and these are two different films. they just paid him for that movie and he's there. well, he's an emotional freak. and he was paid for that. that he positioned himself there as a banderite there for the last russian quilter was going to fight, then they started paying him for it, that is, uh, that's how they say, there's nothing personal, just business . well, uh, uh, well, the only thing you see is that he had a business somewhere in poltava oblast, which i imagine how are his children, great-grandfathers, great-grandfathers there , turning over in their graves, who have such a

---------------------------------------------------------------------- he needs to change again, he can be invited to some other movie, eh, and they will pay money there, medvedchuk, or someone there , or a russian russian, he will buy him off tomorrow , for example, there are chinese, he will sing that let's give the evangelical khabarovsk there, we will give the russians to china because it's good, that's right, because he should come in, he will give money well, he is absolutely needed now in russia to show what other ukrainians are. he also positions himself. he is a ukrainian, but that they and the russians are one nation and it is for internal consumption that some uncle of vov and istanbul i thought that this is really so, well, kiva says, he is from ukraine, he probably knows more about his own people, but we have to perceive him purely as an ideological, er, wrestler, such a bunch of pinyons. well, that’s how i want

to know now i would like to hear your opinion, because today the story of the arrestee’s statement, which caused and helped in our debt, frankly helped us in the information war against ukraine, is coming to an end today, let’s be honest, because this information was also disseminated by the western mass media. so these snakes are to some extent niche, but they are western the mass media was very widespread in russia from the first. they said that yes, we bomb because we attack cities and that will happen, and then when arestovych blurted out that it turned out to be a downed russian missile. they said, well, they shot it down. lol yes and it’s my fault that the americans served them with air defense, they know how to use it, and if they say so , arestovych put the straws in place in a very timely manner, and then he apologized, he today wrote a statement to resign from the position of freelance adviser the office of the president, in your opinion, again, this should be dealt with. i think that the sbu should also deal with counterintelligence first of all. be sure to look at what connections this person has, what

contacts, whether he could really be an fsb agent, because here you have to suspect everyone during war, you have to suspect everyone, then you will definitely be able to avoid treason. but still, in your opinion , it was more precisely love and let the gluttony of narcissus the arrestee or maybe work for the enemy, no, with all the schedules, i think that it is just as far as narcissus, what is this, i don't understand how there are supporters who are uh, pulling from him, how can they not see that, absolutely uh, narcissus , what kind of lover is he, and he was? now uh, well, it’s actually fair and uh, he’s raking uh, but it’s really stupid. well, uh, she came to russia, how about you very simply and aptly said that he laid straws for the russians, and now

they can refer to him, well, watch this a weirdo from the president's office. and now he says that, and now for him, for that in ukraine, they are beating, in fact, yes, and well , he did what he did, he really played along with the enemy, although i will say once again that i think that he did it not on purpose, moreover, somewhere at the beginning at the end of february, at the beginning of march, er, these are calming things. hm , er, things. they are, well, performances, they are somewhere with us . we will then renew the connection, because time is almost flying by. thank you very much, viktor babarenko, for joining, an expert was collecting policy analysis and was with us on connection, you know, the topic of traitors to ukrainian history, it is very painful, in fact

, there were traitors in the history of different states, let's remember this famous traitor who actually helped the persians destroy the army of tsar leonid in thermopylae, so he led them through some goat tropes that came out in the rear of tsar leonid, because it was leonid who stood in such a gorge through which the enemies could not squeeze their huge army . by the way, it is interesting that the brothers came first to take greece, just as the number of people with whom the russians came to ukraine on february 24, 220,000 troops and uh then it was leonid with his actual guard 300 people came to the formopol gorge and they stood in such a precipice that the enemy could not a certain number of people entered the mouth of the spartans. as they say, they were minus, as our russians are minus today in bakhmut and soledar. well, is it true

that there is a little more width there ? bakhmut, a soldier of siverskii, they are trying to break through our ranks, and it was me who chose his position very well, he fought in the desert, they rested, they fought, the spartans were prepared, they were there from childhood, from the age of 6-5 they were actually preparing for war, so of course it was not difficult for them to minus persia, but when they entered from the rear of the pepper , it was clear that it was leonid. he was doomed, as was he, as was his army. and this one, i forgot the name of this traitor. well, i know, as they say, i knew and forgot because there is something that i didn't know. i didn't know and i forgot. i knew . i'll tell you what i forgot, maybe you'll remember that is, it is a story of betrayal, it is in history, but in ukraine it is always very painful, because when ukraine moved to the fight for its independence, for its statehood, for the right to be on this land, there was bound to be some scoundrel who betrayed ukraine at a key moment. it was the same during the rebel war. and when even ukraine lost, as the ukrainian people's republic lost its war against the russian federation, the soviets were

left behind. what rebels who remained fought in the cold spring, so in general, in ukraine, i will only say that when the holodomor of 32-33 year took place in ukraine, at that time there were more than 300 uprisings in ukraine, that is, stalin actually destroyed the peasants with a famine and destroyed support for the rebels. there were 330 uprisings then, because there were all over the territory of our country, but even then there were traitors, then there are traitors, and the enemy always counts on traitors, and conscious or unconscious ones who can harm ukraine , those who can harm our victories . they recruited, but this is a war between russia and zalissya, and today it is important to keep in line, today it is important to minimize betrayal, support each other in this war, we must persevere, not to be exhausted, not to fall, not to be disappointed, not to give up, because there is another chance. there may simply never be a chance to defeat zalissya and

become russia as we have always been and take place and expand. there may simply never be another chance in history. we may remain a state that does not exist. this may be because today the struggle for existence on this land, therefore, traitors must be minimized , identified and taken away from some levers of influence, they should not determine the fate of ukraine today, the fate of ukraine should be determined by the people who love this country and are ready to sacrifice even their lives for it. thank you for being with us. this was the worldview of vasyl zimi. just now my colleague serhiy rudenko is continuing the program verdict serhii congratulations, please congratulate vasyl literally in a few seconds we will start the verdict glory to ukraine - this is the program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko have a good day everyone health today, january 17, 328 day of the heroic