when there is no victory stay and become russia as we have always been and take place and expand another chance there may simply never be in history we can remain a state that does not exist, it may be because today the struggle is existential for existence on this earth, therefore traitors should be minimized and detected to take away from some levers of influence, today they should not determine the fate of ukraine, the fate of ukraine should be determined by the people who love this country and are ready to sacrifice even their lives for it. thank you for being with us. this was vasyl winter's worldview well, i'm just now my colleague serhiy rudenko continues the program verdict serhiy congratulations, please congratulate vasyl literally in a few seconds we start the verdict glory to ukraine this is the program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today january 17, 328 days heroic resistance

of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers , the freelance adviser to the office of the president of ukraine, oleksiy arestovych, has written a resignation letter. britain will give ukraine challenger 2 tanks. the united states of america still thinking about to provide ukraine with long-range missiles, long- range missiles, meanwhile, the russian army continues to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of january 17, the russian invaders have already lost 116,000,960 people in ukraine in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 870 orks with the beginning of the great war the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,000,121 tanks, 6,215 armored fighting vehicles, 214 artillery pieces, 441 rocket salvo systems , three-two, 230 e means of defense, there will be three non-defenses, 286 aircraft, 276 helicopters, 487

units of automotive equipment 17 ships boats 749 cruise missiles 1872 drones 190 units of special equipment today we will talk about how britain gives tanks to ukraine and the united states of america promises to provide new heavy weapons well, of course , we will talk about rammstein, which is supposed to start on january 20 the eighth meeting of the ministers of defense of 40 countries of the anti-putin coalition and, most importantly, what prospects we have in the first half of this year to take over the initiative in the russian federation, which is going to or at least plans to take

donbas under its control by march 2022, i want to introduce our guest - he is a politician-diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019 pavlo klimkin mr. pavlo good day, good health to you and i am glad to see you on our air, greetings and serhii greetings verdict i'm glad to be with you, thank you, let's not start with international topics, although this information is related to international topics . oleksiy arestovych, a freelance adviser to the office of the president of ukraine, has written a resignation letter. however, i still have the question remains, if he is a freelancer , and from which state he wants to resign from the office of the president of ukraine, but in any case, we know that oleksia arestovych made a statement after the russians demolished the entrance to the

dnipro, 40 people died, er, more than 40 people are in hospitals, another 26 people are missing, and oleksiy arestovich said that the russian missile was apparently shot down by our anti-aircraft defense, and on the basis of this, the russians have already built their version of what happened in the dnipro, since even though he was a freelance brother of the office of the president, but all the propagandist publics and media resources talked about the fact that it was oleksiy arrestovych who was involved in this and the ukrainian state, and oleksiy arrestovych was involved in the recognition of this fact, so we see this statement that he wrote and, as it were, i understand that this is how he wants to pay off this whole scandal , which is now continuing in social networks, you as a person who has been

engaged in diplomacy for a very long time and understands the value of every word spoken publicly within the framework of the state structure or on behalf of to the ukrainian state, how would you characterize this scandal? and in general, can it be considered a scandal? i would rather not use this term. i would say that this is a lesson in wartime, you can't count every word. agree. but nevertheless, the russians definitely it will not be possible to twist it to one's advantage, the very fact that our system is built in such a way that oleksia istovych, as a freelance adviser, was considered one of the key committees. well, she

actually raises questions. what is he really responsible for ? my feeling is that the russians will not be able to use it and it was not possible. the second conclusion is that you need to do such work on mistakes because you need to convey information to people who are worried about which polyceps they have. i remember this very well. i miss this day when you sit and wait. and what’s next, and what’s how long? well, this is such a very emotional story. people demand information. if you want, this is also our human history, because unlike the russians, we appreciate and respect each other.

about this is our nation about this is our country, but what is needed in real life in real time is also to answer for it is a very important story, therefore a statement or a statement - it is actually uh, it doesn't matter, the main thing is that the russians didn't screw it up and i i think that such a strategic information policy is actually for us now, when we are approaching the year of our war, no less, in fact, even more critical than at the beginning of the year both inside the country and abroad, because the international community will agree that it will be super critical, the russians will attack europe, replenish with

your fakes will have a certain effect, fatigue , and it is very important for us that the emotion was real, because in my opinion, this question is about trust, is there trust or not, there can't be half of them and there can't be 30% trust is it or is there before us to ukraine or not and that's really the only thing that bothers me, all the stories and everything else - it's like my grandmother used to say, it was discussed and it will pass trust is the main thing trust is really number one, without a doubt , british intelligence says that that russia hit a house in dnipro with an inaccurate missile х22 and baselessly accused ukrainian air defense , and the british say and confirm the data that this missile was launched from that

22m3 hit a residential building in dnipro to lead to the death of at least 40 people yesterday. of the military involved in the missile attack on a high-rise building in dnipro began criminal proceedings under article 438 of the criminal code of ukraine - this is a violation of the laws and customs of war well, zelenskyi said yesterday that what happened in dnipro falls under the jurisdiction of the international criminal court, well, in fact , we have seen enough of such stories and such episodes over the last year, and how many of them there should be in order for the introduction or several proceedings of the international criminal court or in a separate international tribunal to

be initiated against russia, i for a separate international tribunal. i believe that it is critically important for us to create it not only with the support of the west, but also with the support of the world . it is possible to show that this is only western history , therefore i am in favor of discussing this issue within the framework of the un, although i consider the united nations to be an absolutely helpless and impotent organization, now i am in favor of us conducting a very uh-huh offensive work with those who are not part of the western world and we have to say this, as you remember all the stories , first they came for us and tomorrow they will come for

you and or the day after tomorrow because they will definitely come and we need a separate tribunal , an ordinary international criminal court is history is also possible, but in order for it to be considered by an international criminal judge, its statute must be changed. can you imagine how long the re-ratification of the statute will take? let's remind our viewers that the criminal x22 missile used by the russians is actually spelled as a killer of ships, ships such as cruisers and aircraft carriers, and it was supposed to be used with a nuclear warhead

therefore, of course, it is clear to everyone that the accuracy is such that it can hit anywhere and the use of this missile is already a crime against humanity and a war crime, it must be clearly proven and must be presented in international courts and that's what i'm afraid of, and i'm very frank about it, that later when at some point, it doesn't matter what kind of talks with russia, everyone will say well, well, let's not somehow drive them into a dead end, of course we have punish but some things we have to leave behind brackets, this is what i am very

afraid of, and i believe that we should prepare all these in advance with our friends. they should all be with concrete evidence and justice is that, there should be no compromises, it cannot be the subject of any negotiations eh or consultations about what they were not even about surrender to prochysk surrender about complete surrender justice and punishment for all those who made this decision and it is obvious that this decision was made personally starting with putin this is where we should be eh well not just as consistent as possible, our determination must be concrete, concrete to the end , mr. pavel, how far do people in the world understand that what putin is

doing is a crime ? are there any countries that are advocates or at least justify some way of vladimir putin, that can stand in our way when creating an international tribunal? putin has practically no allies, they are all well-known ones, you can count them on the fingers of one hand, there are people like lukashenka, irene karakhova, well, in what sense, three, and all five of them, i am there. more of such allies who will go to the end for russia and even do not see, bother me just e- countries that want to sweat somehow condemn russia,

condemn the war, but say that it would be better for ukraine and russia to calm down at some point, so that this happens and the world will become better for us , our economy will become better, there will be no pressure, we will buy food at the best prices fertilizer prices at the best prices and you have observations where there are actively working for the west, our situation in general, in general, er, is very worthy, very well, the west understands what this is about, the west understands it is not only about us, about ukraine, this pro-west if putin eh- although he will win in ukraine, it will also be a loss for the west in the 21st century. putin despises defense. he considers it weak. now

i think that somehow inside he is beginning to understand that he was wrong, but this does not mean that he will change his strategy and tactics. he will go to the end. he has not changed any of his goals in relation to ukraine, and they are very simple: the destruction of ukrainian statehood, the destruction of the ukrainian nation, and when he says to eliminate the danger from ukraine, he knows that there is no ukraine, there is no problem, and therefore he is categorically against any actions what i say to our western friends, and the main thing is not from the west, there are people from the west who are politicians who are ready to support us to the end and this is part of europe, but those who are ready to play politics are also those who

demonstrate that they still have the scary thing is about putin and what will happen after putin. they are afraid of escalation. they are afraid that control over what is happening will get out of hand. there are also such people there, and here they are . in asia, of course, there are also worthy, worthy, four steps forward, many countries there understand that the behavior of russia today can always turn into a similar behavior of china, they understand what the stakes are for their security in africa and latin america, the situation is much more difficult, and there it will be necessary to work with each country with many politicians to show that this project is justice, it is about

values, if you do not support us here, you will always be bald, like those stories . there is no need to hope that everyone will support us absolutely unconditionally, there will be no need to work on the result. well, now we have the result. on january 16, the minister of defense of great britain ben waugh announced during a speech in the house of commons about the allocation the largest package of military aid to accelerate ukraine's success in the war and, in particular, it is said that britain will provide ukraine with challenger 2 tanks, during a telephone conversation with the president, the prime minister of great britain spoke about this challenger tank drone - this is approximately a company of 12 to 15 tanks, evacuation and repair vehicles,

self-propelled artillery installations, nuclear power plants, 90 armored personnel carriers, 100,000 artillery shells, a hundred missile systems, in short, quite serious help from great britain is it possible to consider these weapons that should arrive from the british as the first such serious help in the current year, and rather, even so in the current half-year, since this half-year should determine the course and the finale, or is it visible in the perspective of the russian-ukrainian war from the west mr. sergey first aid. i don’t consider it because there was a very cool american package at the beginning of the year, which includes bradley and many other things, literally from 2nd

to the catholic before the new year, there was a package with ammunition very cool and if you put it together together, it is almost 5 billion dollars, it is actually very cool, they are americans, the americans remain number one both in terms of quality and in terms of the quantity of what is provided to us by the british package, for me it is very important for all of us, and that the challenger heavy tanks appeared there for the first time, yes, this is a squadron, yes it is about a limited number. but i believe that pereyasla will finally put additional pressure on the level of germany. by the way, the former panilamber of the ministry of defense resigned, which was no different. well, let's say we won't

to offend, but let's say frankly, they did not differ in particular sympathy for ukrainians , he probably had sympathy, but she had the desire to take political steps to take the initiative well, she probably didn't. now there will be a new minister of defense . i believe that this is a big step forward and this appointment for schultz means that he is also ready to go ahead and raise the stakes. of course, he will do this in consultation with allies, first of all with biden, but i expect that the decision regarding the leopards will be accepted, it's hard to say, uh, the time frame , but nevertheless, all these fears and grabbing at the

heart are german, but offensive german weapons will be used again against russia, and who else is sitting there, uh, you know, in the subcortex somewhere under the consciousness. certainly not the desire to escalate, the desire to leave some maneuvers for negotiations, all these considerations exist in berlin, but nevertheless , progress is unambiguous and it is very important for us to receive military assistance right now in order to organize counterattacks well, we understand very well that in russia, putin will not deviate from his goals and he will try to make the russian missile defense system work in those changes, and for us, qualitative and quantitative help from our partners is absolutely critical. well, what i noticed is that that's the only thing i didn't

like from the british. it's the assessment that this aid will in some way affect the defense potential of great britain. i believe that it will definitely not affect and in the end it is necessary to speak here. need to say what ukraine wants informal is part of the event and is part of the potential over moscow, they all tell, they fight, as if to know well, if they tell, then they already consider us to be a de facto part of nato, and let it stand . finally, you are in your head. that it will weaken their capabilities, as the commander of the british army, general patrick sanders, said, the transfer of a large-scale

aid package to ukraine will significantly strengthen the military capabilities of the armed forces of ukraine and indicates that ukraine will find a good the use of british aid in the fight against russia and emphasized that the defeat of russia in ukraine will make us safer, well, that is, the british still understand that in this war, the defeat of ukraine will mean the defeat of not only europe, but also the whole world. you have already mentioned schultz and the german leopard literally a few days ago in lviv, there was a meeting of the lublin troika, and there the president of poland said that he would provide two leopards to ukraine, and then there were a lot of different statements, refutations, or confirmations about the fact that will be depend on germany, we know that in europe

, all over europe, there are approximately 2,000 leopard tanks in different countries in greece. it seems to me that the largest number of these tanks is there, as far as i remember from the map, the layout of these tanks uh, why why are there so many from the germans it depends because they are producing tanks or why scholz in this situation is the main operator of these leopard tanks it depends on the germans because there are rules in the production and export of weapons if you receive weapons at the same time you sign the contacts in this contract for example, for the further transfer of weapons, you need to get the consent of the person who sold them to you, this is a general rule and it includes

almost all contacts, we faced such a problem. and how did we work with our german friends on the issue when switzerland produced and gave germany ammunition for cheetahs, which we now have so necessary to fight against the russian sofas, but in switzerland there is a principle of neutrality, the principle of neutrality, they see it in a completely different way than we do, and i believe that it is us together from the point of view of international law and its humanitarian law eh, to be neutral eh in wars like ours with russia ah, this is also gradually entering the heads of many people in switzerland, but nevertheless not to the end, and you are exactly what it should be about leopards eh, since the germans made them and sold or transferred, they must give

formal consent in accordance with the contracts and what will go forward with this decision. some in berlin felt it as such a theory, well , to some extent, trolling, but you know that relations between warsaw and berlin well, they are relations of allies, but they are not ideal, and the poles there also want compensation for the second world war, and there are others there, i wouldn’t call them problems, but one hundred percent of the pdzniks, well, they are ready to supply us with tanks, but only on the condition that there will be a joint solution, and we once came up with the idea of ​​the so-called of the tank consortium so that no one feels that he has to be the first to make a decision, this of course sounds funny from you and me, mr. sergey, but to someone in europe, uh, it is

still somehow confusing and they think, and therefore, what will we get from russia, so progress - i definitely believe that the germans are going to transfer tanks to us only after the main ones so that they don't just do it but do it faster even the germans have tanks and the helmital concerns but in order to prepare, re-equip so that these are the coolest machines, it takes time, you know, in germany, nothing works super fast, and tanks are needed there for yesterday, or rather, the day before yesterday. nevertheless, the reasons why the decision has not yet been made are completely clear, and i told you them at the beginning of our conversation today sir please fix pavla on the screen, because we,

well, our focus was a little bit on the air, friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks, for those who are watching us now on youtube and facebook, please like this video and also subscribe to our social networks. we are on almost all social networks. well, read our news on espresso tv, our site is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week, the most complete, the latest information from ukraine, the world and frontline messages we are in touch again, pavlo klimkin. i hope that we have improved the connection and mr. pavle. since we are now talking about aid and what ukraine needs, it is worth mentioning the long-range missiles that we are discussing with washington in

washington. what they need to think about the transfer of long-range missiles to ukraine about long-range missiles is the deputy head of the pentagon of the united states of america for political affairs kolen call we continue to hear interesting comments about them i think it is useful there is a need to finish further over the line front and without going into details, i will say that we recognize this need in the current phase, we should think about how to help ukraine overcome this challenge, but i will not decide in advance what kind of system it might be, well, that is, the americans hinted that such long-range missiles will be in ukraine, and why according to your official statement, washington delayed this because it is afraid of escalation and is afraid that putin will use it