that's why he said that there are any prospects for establishing a demilitarized zone, how this process developed, and how the demilitarized zone manifests itself today is difficult to understand, because there is military equipment there , the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the military there have their own rules, they are introducing some occupation occupations there pressure is exerted on people by putting them there to transfer to some other companies to apply for a job somewhere e-e companies that do not have any legal and legal status in the territory ukraine, therefore, i do not see any movement of any result to date from the point of view of the establishment of a demilitarized zone. there was a statement. but in my opinion, this statement practically did not end with anything, therefore i think that we , the newspaper, should also draw the appropriate conclusions of that situation, let them see how we

work atomic power plants will be convinced that the difference is colossal and understand that all relations with russia must be ended and russians must compete for leadership positions. work with russia because russia is a terrorist state and there is no promising work in this regard, even on the site of the megatet, they work for me. thank you, mr. andriy andrii gerus, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the committee on energy and housing worked live on the espresso tv channel, let's go further half to 6:00 so we talked about the situation with energy supply, then we will talk about the dnipro, there we said goodbye to the honored boxing coach of ukraine, who died during the russian missile attack on a high-rise building in the dnipro mykhailo koryunovsky is already in the same apartment with a yellow kitchen, photos of which went viral on

social networks with apples on the table, what is the situation there now, the search and rescue work has already ended, let's talk about it with the local deputy of the dnipropetrovsk city council, danylo miro p . now, at the moment, it’s happening near the house, i don’t quite understand why the search and rescue work has ended, if many people are still considered missing, that is, not found, what is the situation? well, at this moment, a lot of people are carrying flowers, toys under the house, what about this moment, and in general, at this moment, which you are talking about, it is considered something that they could not find. well, the search efforts did not reveal the bodies of 20

more people. today, that is, the search operations have been completed in all er-e contiguous apartments where everything was destroyed , all searches were conducted, but no people were found, 20 people have not yet been found. regarding the first time, there were lists of prescribed, but we understand something and today is such a time when many people could go abroad, someone could simply move to another city to live in ukraine, but according to the first time, and then i also had this question because i was constantly monitoring that there were 40 without hangings , then they disappeared 35, then 30, and this number

decreased, but it reached 20 and i am already searching - all these moments have passed and 20 people remain, that is, i believe that they are not in hospitals, nor in buildings. and now i think that they will look for breeders or, well, search people who have already disappeared in another way, that is, at this point in the house, they were not found, of course, the nation of the 19th injured, please tell me which of the victims - according to my information, there are several victims. and 10 seriously injured, there are 28 injured, 10 seriously in the hospital. whose lives are fighting very hard. our heroes are doctors, but according to the

dead, we currently have 45 of them, six of them children. danylo would like to ask about the treatment and assistance program, well, we understand stabilization treatment in critical situations such as dniprov may require additional funds, who is currently trying to support medics because we need to save people? well, we have medics supported now, you know, by people and volunteers. and as for the city program , did we vote long before these events ? compensation for missile strikes up to 1 million hryvnias to people because as far as these injuries are concerned and as far as treatment is concerned, as far as i know, now i see my colleague sergienko, everything is sufficient in the hospital and the

doctors, in principle, do not have any do you know the needs there? i wanted to show mr. danylo about the program to compensate people who were victims of russian missile attacks. these funds were paid in the amount of one million to each family that lost someone , tell me in more detail how up to one million housing compensation, that is, we had a moment, if you remember being hit in the ymz - this the company and nearby houses that were affected at the time also had e.e. they collected documents , experts came and conducted examinations, and on the basis of these documents, housing was reimbursed,

i.e. maybe someone had a window knocked out, someone 's door flew out. well, we understand that there can be different levels of damage at the base of the building, everyone was evacuated from the whole building, is there still housing suitable for living there? look, this is a very, very big, uh, house. it is very big. there are those that cannot be rebuilt. there are no more. there are 232 apartments. there will be other apartments now . examination by experts will be carried out, expert examinations will be carried out on all points and there will already be so -called accurate data on the basis of which it will be possible to say how much who will need what. but of course, what is housing that i no longer have? of the central government , because this is large-scale, but these people who were evacuated are in temporary places,

i will tell you that after talking with many volunteers, they have such information that there were such moments that even the shelters did not have anyone to resettle, a lot of people moved to their relatives on e-e very quickly, business volunteers took off , rented apartments for those people who suffered and to this day, in principle , well, very, very strongly, everyone united and i, that i had an application for the morning from seven and also from an athlete who was left without a home , and already after lunch they said that there is already a home, that is, that i had what i had, that is the information that i had. therefore, there is no problem with the fact that people currently have nowhere to spend the night or nowhere to live they are danylo, well, on the other hand, people are too have to feel a certain corridor of their future, so to speak. well, accordingly, if there was a way to review the history, so to speak, so

that they get this housing, we understand that it is expensive , but people. opinion yes, of course well, the next session will be next week and the city council will discuss all this, and my fellow deputies and i. as far as i know, a lot of mechanisms are already being worked out in kyiv, that is, on all these points, but here we need to be very be careful, because we understand that today in the dnipro there is a very big tragedy, but all over the country we have especially on the first lines on the hot lines and there are also a lot of destroyed houses and also a lot of problems. well, it is in the dnipropetrovsk region that nikopol flies by us every day, and the kryvorizky district flies by every day, houses are also destroyed there, and that's why we need everything here in a comprehensive way

, let's consider it because other regions, other districts, other cities also feel this support, mr. danylo. well, finally, we wanted would like to ask you, we understand that dnipro is in sorrow, so to speak, russian animal shelling and so on, please tell us about the mood in dnipro in general, this may not apply to this particular tragedy, but we understand that dnipro is subjected to regular shelling, i will tell you that the mood in dnipro in in principle, people consider themselves more or less safe, and you already know the constant sirens , power outages, and such shelling, probably people already know somewhere little by little, but you get used to it, it's already a way of life well, the mood is very many people, very many people. you understand that from zaporizhzhia, from kherson, who moved to our city, and as far as i know, today the city of dnipro, uh,

many more than a million people, you know, the mood today is so very, very strong . days uh, you probably won't meet a person in the city uh, what, who, even because of herself, did not miss this tragedy and this whole story, that's why i'm here. in this plan, of course, moods that can moods thank you mr. danylo danylo miru, deputy of the dnipro city council was included in the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel, we are moving on, four people died among them five children five children one was not even a year president zelenskyi had a conversation with the federal president of germany steinmeier i quote the presidential telegram channel ukraine appreciates the important decisions adopted at the beginning of this year defense decisions of the leadership of germany, as well as significant support in the humanitarian, financial and defense spheres, during the meeting in the format of a video conference, the situation at the

front was discussed. sorry, the need to build up defense support for ukraine, the diplomatic process of implementing the ukrainian peace formula, zelenskyi thanked germany for its help on behalf of the ukrainians, well, arestovych was released from the president's office, this information was confirmed by the press secretary of the head of state, serhiy nikiforov. behavior due to his mistake, we remind you that we are talking about the statements of the arresting officer regarding the russian missile attack of the russian missile just in the dnipro about which we just talked about in a high-rise building, the freelance adviser to the president's office, mark feigin, said on the air that it

was a missile. he spoke everywhere, it was perceived as a statement by people, that's why they say so, he stated well, he said there, then he said that i was tired, i didn't think, i assumed, i said maybe, but these are the consequences. well, i explained. the fact is that russian propaganda picked up a convenient for them yes, yes, they pick up on anything, and we will talk about it on our broadcast with media experts . let's also talk and serhii tomilenko should be with us, the head of the national union of journalists of ukraine igor lay down already mr. igor, we congratulate you good day timilenko we are waiting yes well let's then react with you mr. igor regarding the resignation of the arrestee this story is very interesting. who

knows how many advisers there are, and who they are, but arrestovych was very media-oriented, that is, he is very media-oriented, that is why there is such a resonance. how do you see this story? well, i see this story. you know, i have a rather strange attitude towards mr. arrestovych because good memory, i remember the maidan from 2014 ago. to be honest, this phenomenon still remains a bit unclear to me, how it is so influential, what it was used for in general , that is, i guess who remembers good maidan, i remember well about the drops in the ocean and all these stories that were actually spread during the maidan, because how about me , well, first of all, of course, it's good that it went well, it was a really civilized way , but how come the question comes to me again

again, for 8 years now, we have had a problem with the so-called government communications. we are not talking about the cabinet of ministers, but actually as gaver, that is, the communications of their authorities on particularly sensitive issues, and in terms of this, we see that there are flaws, they need to again improvement in order to be the policy of the state ivan-voins, that is, one vote when there are particularly sensitive issues, especially when we are talking about the war, yes, that is, fortunately , there is no military censorship in ukraine, and i can now join you and i am here there is no sensor yes, just like near you ah, but this does not mean that during the war there should be such stories as the registrant, i specially monitor twitter and i can say that the representatives of the state 404 dispersed this

story quite strongly, that is, all kinds of so-called bloggers, their military and their media, which we had, in principle, did not exist full of communist names, but this story is enough . no, well, it is obviously important for us, it caused less damage, but it is still a very alarming bell, because in such stories , especially when there are mass victims, the only the message that should go out is to blame russia, which launched these years and everything, that is, the rest of the discussions of the air defense forces, not the defense forces, i don’t know who else, this is all secondary and the main message that should sound to the whole world is that what happened in the dnipro, in principle, yes, it can be compared there with the terrorist attacks of 9:11 or something like that, mr. no, this is not the first time we remember kyiv. we remember how many

flights, for example, when your colleague , a journalist, was killed on lukyanivka, there was also a fall into a residential building, and that's how we get oil we have to erase varodonetsk from the faces of the people of mariupol now so letar e-e bakhmut the ancient city by the way to donetsk and so on we have it all we still have serhiy tomilenko the head of the national union of journalists joining us now now igor arestovych went there we ourselves gave birth to and were brought up and he was very often shown on the marathon as an expert on all issues, as an adviser to the president's office, and that is why there is so much attention to him and he has such a high media presence, and even then it is difficult to distinguish whether he is just arrestovych who said something on the internet or he is the voice of i strongly disagree with you, look , that is, those people who wanted to watch arrestovych on youtube were watching until that time, in particular, on youtube.

that is, it is not a question of whether it was created there with the help of these or other various additional media platforms, yes, that is, well, that the question of how charisma can attract viewers, well, this is my easy autop, mr. igor, well, look, i, uh, you are actually raising a topic that we, within the framework of the media council , even issued a recommendation, this is a question of expertise, that is, in fact, in the ukrainian media environment, there is a huge problem with experts, that is not often not always let's put it this way, those people who speak on the air can be considered an expert on certain issues, and on the contrary , the media can't always. they reach the experts themselves because of their inability to speak the camera or shyness or well, maybe the terminological apparatus is too complicated, which i did not really understand, but in fact this problem of expertise is an old disease of ukrainian

mani. unfortunately, it exists. that is, it does not mean that all experts are not experts. yes, but let's say what we have a certain pleiades of talkers who, on one channel, comment on energy on another, on social issues on the third, i don’t know about freedom of speech, and the person knows that . i always specify what, because i am not a lawyer in all fields and it is impossible to distribute, well, the tag you are a lawyer is so funny among lawyers. yes, but i will not, for example, comment on family law, because it is not my field. and actually, this is the responsibility of experts . and medi's ability to select experts is a disease, it must be squeezed out, it is evolutionary processes, a completely normal story, but that does not mean that it is not necessary to talk about it. actually, examples such as those arrested, well, not only him

, but they are actually very revealing. what is this for? in other words, we actually create puzzles ourselves, and then we ourselves suffer from the fact that this chief prays at some point can cause problems, and then we all feel a little spanish variety, so they actually spoke to the head of the national union of journalists of ukraine about the name of the broadcast. sergiu slava ukraine about the arrestee about the case of the arrestee, but this is not the top topic of our broadcast. therefore, the international federation of journalists called on our authorities to review the new law on media and start a dialogue with journalist unions and the media sector, what are the prospects that the authorities will listen to that appeal and in general what is the position of the national union of journalists well, actually the position of the national union of journalists of ukraine is a call to the

ukrainian authorities to politicians to experts e.e. media reformation or any changes regulation and rules on the work of journalists and the media should be carried out through a broad dialogue with journalists and, well, with the real media. for today, of course, we welcome that within the framework of the adopted law on media ukraine e in part, it fulfills certain european obligations and accordingly implements a directive that is common to the european union of european countries of modernization legislation . we welcome the strengthening of resistance to enemy propaganda , russian propaganda in the ukrainian media in the sphere, at the same time, we draw attention to the fact that , accordingly, it is necessary to guarantee political independence in ukraine of the media regulator, because in fact this law gives great

powers and regulation not only to the television and radio sector, but also to online and print media, those great powers are given e.e. the national regulator, on which politicians, the government, and not society, have a decisive influence, in particular, four members of the national council are appointed by presidential decree and four more are appointed by the verkhovna rada, where the majority is again in the resident faction, therefore, accordingly, we emphasize the fact that it is necessary to talk about here is the reporting to society of the national regulator once and the second thing is that even the study of the law, which is about 300 pages long, it will actually take a lot of time from journalists and media editors or everyone wants to be law-abiding and, accordingly, now it can really shift attention from the

information front to the performance of professional duties in the conditions of the economic crisis subordinated to the war and strengthened to study such a swagger that is usually supported by specialists experts at the same time today we do not see if a big support among practicing journalists to understand this law and how do you think this work and this dialogue with journalists, lawyers and legislators should be organized, this dialogue will be so because because the law on the media significantly increases the powers of the national council and we understand what consequences this can have, with all due respect to the national council, let's take it apart and eat the elephant piece by piece, first of all , the 4x4 purpose that mr.

serhiy tomilenko just spoke about has only existed for over 20 or so years that is, it is written in the constitution of ukraine, which during the military martial law itself cannot be changed at all, even in our desire, if we wanted to change it . it's impossible and that's the point, there's not even anything to discuss about it significantly expands the powers, well, that's a good, good thesis, but in fact, when i try to understand what the significance of the expansion is, for some reason i don't hear this argument, because ah, from what happened this expansion subjects to which the law applies. this happened, including through the directive, which actually establishes our legislation of objects such as e-e video platform or conventionally speaking program catalogs where we can watch there movies, programs and so on, it also establishes in our uh

the environment is a video sharing platform. well, this is not youtube, which, by the way, is referred to by the european federation of journalists, and i have a question about what they read the law in principle. that is, we are talking about the fact that these platforms are in our jurisdiction, they were created here, and we are going to regulate youtube because it is trivially impossible as it is. well, because it is not ukraine's jurisdiction over it as well as all the rest of the social platform, so it seems to me that the first thing that should happen now is that we should really familiarize ourselves with the law more moreover, we have already started trainings to read trainings to explain the norms of the law, because i understand that this is really the talmud, they correctly said that it is 277 pages. this is what it looks like printed out. it is a really big law because half of this text is the actual body of the law. and half of it is change in the rest of the legislation, because we, well, the actual object

turned out to be about more than 50 laws, which in one way or another have already become obsolete, the term mass media, which should also fade into oblivion a-a and that's why, well, they are transitory, and obviously not all of them are transitory. i think you know about the history of the election code, which is now separate in the draft law and has not been adopted, that is, if there were still such before the adoption of separate draft laws in order for us to really fulfill our obligations within the framework of ukraine, a candidate member of the eu, regarding journalists and journalistic organizations again it is still a question of understanding the law, the law is industrial, i.e. it does not mostly regulate journalistic activity as such. that is, it is not about standards. the industrial law is about the relations of media subjects of one or another with the state and the

regulator. and actually their certain responsibility to society is what this law is about, and that's why, really, who needs to study this law the most right now . it's media managers. it's obvious, editors. well , journalists, if only to a lesser extent, because it will not change their existence, their rights or obligations, that is, if journalists had rights and obligations, for example, to cover balanced, unbiased information, they remain, yes, they extend to new entities such as online press and by the way, also with the terminology of online media - this is something that could not be said without the paper press, that is, without papers, that is, online media is not all , all online media, because if we are talking about youtube broadcasting or broadcasting through which site will these be audio halls media that use just internet technologies and this too must be understood, well, that is, i understand that now it is still very

difficult thank you mr. igor serhiy tomilenko, please respond, be kind mr. serhiy, well, actually, here if one of the key certain of my arguments i want to draw parallels that at one time we were proud of the laws that were there in ukraine about the highway, about information, television , radio and always . editorial independence and accordingly, we really, at one time, worked in cherkasy and the regions, we all understood that this is the law that defends us now, despite the fact that p igor would argue that this is a certain industrial but i'm sorry if the media can receive a fine or block for certain content violations for non-compliance, if the national regulator will consider

certain norms, then again, if there is no political independence of the regulator, then journalists will include elements of censorship, it is easy to sign on certain topics so as not to receive any inspection fine, etc. therefore, once again, i return to the fact that such an insanely large reform must be carried out through a certain dialogue with real practices and returning to the topic of what is really in the constitution enshrines the formation of the national council of the president of the verkhovna rada. if there is such a regulator with such a set of tools, then why do we give the regulation of online media and print media to this regulator, which for 20 years has been formed precisely on a political basis, perhaps it should have invited leading online media with the reputation of their editors of their journalists and develop a different formula for responsible journalism online, and then there

was more trust and greater inclusion of our online media. and now we see that after all the adoption of this law, well, the majority of journal editors. they still look at how they cover current events, what special projects, what others. and this law is some kind of second reality, and accordingly, there is no such understanding by journalists of the logic of this media reform, thank you, thank you, serhii tomilenko, olena of the national union journalists of ukraine and the games lay out the media and the lawyer, an expert in media law of the center for democracy and the rule of law, a member of the working group on the development of the law on the median, it is a great pity we have to finish our broadcast and pass the word on to our colleagues. anna valevska worked for us for hours today in ukrainian. look at the world. stay with the press. our entire team is working so that we all understand what is happening. not only did she know what, but also understood serhiy rudenko.