and then there was greater trust and greater involvement of our online media. and now we see that the adoption of this law, well, most journalists are editors. they still look at how they cover current events, what special projects of some other. and this law is some kind of second reality and accordingly, there is no such understanding by journalists of the logic of this media reform . right member of the working group on the development of the law on media, unfortunately we have to end our broadcast and pass the floor to our colleagues and on valevska, today, the ukrainian view of the world worked, stay with us, our team works so that we all understand what is happening, not only knew what, but also understood serhiy rudenko next program verdict

stay with us glory to ukraine this is the program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today january 17, 328 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers freelance adviser to the office of the president of ukraine, oleksii arestovych, has written a resignation letter. britain will give ukraine challenger 2 tanks. the united states of america is still considering whether to provide ukraine with long-range and long -range missiles. the occupiers have already lost 116,000,960 people in ukraine in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 870 orks with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 3,000 in ukraine

121 tanks 6,215 armored fighting vehicles 2,104 artillery systems 441 rocket salvo systems three-two 230 e-e means of air defense 286 aircraft 276 helicopters 487 units of motor vehicles 17 boats boats 749 cruise missiles 1872 drones 190 units of special equipment today we will talk about how britain gives ukraine tanks and the united states of america promises to provide new heavy weapons well, of course, let's talk about rammstein, which is supposed to start on january 20, this will already be the eighth meeting of defense ministers of 40 countries of the anti-putin coalition and, most importantly, what are the

prospects. in the first half of this year, we will take over the initiative in the russian federation, which is going to, or at least plans to take control of donbas by march 2022. i would like to introduce our guest - a politician-diplomat, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014 - 2019 pavlo klimkin mr. pavlo good day good health to you and i am glad to see you on our air congratulations to serhiy congratulations verdict eh, glad to be with you thank you, let's start, after all, not with international topics although tangential to of international topics, this information has e.e., the freelance adviser to the office of the president of ukraine, oleksiy arestovych, has written a resignation letter, but i still have a question: if he is freelance

, from which state does he want to resign from the office of the president of ukraine, but if it were not we know that oleksiy arestovich made a statement after the russians demolished the entrance to the dnipro, 40 people died, more than 40 people are in the hospital, another 26 people are missing, and oleksiy arestovych said that the russian missile was obviously shot down by our p the ukrainian state and oleksiy arrestovych is involved in the recognition of this fact, so we

see this statement that he wrote, and it seems to me that this is how he wants to pay off this whole scandal that is continuing now even in social networks, as a person who has been engaged in diplomacy for a very long time and understands the value of every word spoken publicly within the framework of the state structure or on behalf of the ukrainian state, how would you describe this scandal? i would say that this is a lesson during the war, you can't count every word, agree but nevertheless, the russians will definitely not be able to twist it to their advantage, the very fact that our system is built

yes, oleksia istovych, as a freelance adviser, was considered one of the key committees. well, she actually raises questions. yes, what is the scheme of how to write a statement? well, who is a freelancer ? it will not succeed and it did not succeed, the second conclusion is that you need to do such work on errors for yourself, because you need to convey information to people who are worried about which police have this, i remember very well this day when you sit and wait. and what next and how much very emotional story people

require information if you want this and that our human history because unlike the russians uh we value each other and respect each other about this our nation about this is our country but what is needed in live in live life in real time for that too to answer, this is a very important story, so a statement or a statement - it's actually uh, it doesn't matter, the main thing is that the russians don't screw it up, and i think that such a strategic information policy is actually for us now that we are approaching the year of our war no less in fact, it is even more critical than at the beginning of the

year, both inside the country and abroad, because the international community will agree that it will be super critical, the russians will attack europe, replenish europe with their fakes, there will be a certain effect, fatigue , and it is very important for us that the emotion was real, because this question is like to me, it's about trust, is there trust or not, uh, it can't be half and it can't be 30%. trust is either in us, in ukraine, or there isn't. and that's really the only thing that bothers me, all the stories and everything else - it's like that as my grandmother used to say uh, it was discussed and it will pass. trust is the main thing. trust is really number one. british intelligence says

that russia hit a house in the dnipro with an inaccurate x22 missile, and we bet they blamed the ukrainian air defense, and the british say and confirm the data that this missile was launched from a tu-22m3 hit a residential building in dnipro, resulting in the death of at least 40 people yesterday. hmmm, yesterday the sbu announced that they had identified russian soldiers who were involved in a rocket attack on a high-rise building in dnipro initiated criminal proceedings under article 438 of the criminal code of ukraine - this is a violation of the laws and customs of war well, zelenskyi said yesterday that what happened in the dnipro falls under the jurisdiction of the international criminal court, well, in fact

, we have seen quite a lot of such stories and such episodes over the last year, as far as and how many of them should be in order for the introduction or several proceedings at the international criminal court or in a separate international tribunal to start against russia, i for a separate international tribunal i believe that it is critically important for us to create it not only with the support of the west, but also with the support of the world, this is what our friends tell us, by the way, because there is no way to show that this is only western history, so i am in favor of discussing this issue within the framework of the un, although i consider it an organization the united nations is an absolutely helpless and impotent organization, now i am for the fact that we conduct a very

uh, driving offensive work with those who are not part of the western world, and we have to say this, as you remember all the stories, first they came for us and tomorrow they will come for you and or the day after tomorrow, but they will definitely come and we need a separate tribunal, an ordinary international criminal court - this is also a possible story, but in order to consider it in an international criminal judge, its statute must be changed, can you imagine how long it will take to re-ratify the statute, all the formalities that are just around and scattered its member therefore, we need an international tribunal or the use of international courts, they may not be one or the other, let's remind our viewers that the

x-22 missile, which is criminally used by the russians, is in fact, it is written killer ships er ships such as aircraft carriers through cheeses and it was supposed to be used with a nuclear warhead , so of course it is clear to everyone that the accuracy er is such that it can hit er anywhere and the very use of this missile is already a crime against humanity and a war crime, it must be written clearly proven and will definitely be presented in international courts and that's what i'm afraid of . talks with russia everyone will say well, well, no

we will drive them to a dead end somehow, of course we have to punish them, but we have to leave some things behind bars, that's what i'm really afraid of, and i think that we should prepare all these in advance with our friends. they should all be with concrete evidence and justice that is, there are no compromises, it cannot be the subject of any negotiations, or consultations, that they were not even about surrender, a sweeping surrender, about complete surrender , justice and punishment for all those who made these decisions, and it is obvious that this decision it was taken personally, starting with putin , here we have to be, uh, well, not just

as consistent as possible, our determination must be concrete, concrete to the end, how far , mr. pavly, do people in the world understand that what putin is doing is a crime, well, it is meant in some percentage percentage proportions, that is, can it be said that everyone understands that what he is doing is war crimes . are there still countries that are lawyers or at least justify some way of vladimir putin that can stand in our way when creating an international tribunal in putin has practically no allies, they are all well-known, you can count them on the fingers of one hand, who is doing lukashenko, iran and karakhov well, how about him in what sense are three? well, all five are there. there are more such allies who

will go to the end for russia and even not i see that i am worried about the countries that want to sweat somehow, condemn russia, condemn the war, but to say that it would be better if ukraine and russia reconciled at some point, so that this happens and the world will become better for us , our economy will become better, there will be no pressure on us we will buy food at the best prices, fertilizers at the best prices and has observations where there is an active work on the west, our situation is generally in general, uh, very worthy, very well, the west understands what this is about, the west understands it is not only

about us, about ukraine, this pro-west if putin even though he will win in ukraine, it will also be a loss for the west in the 21st century. putin despises defense. he considers it weak. now i think that somehow inside he is beginning to understand that he was wrong, but this does not mean that he will change his strategy and tactics, he will go to the end he has not changed any of his goals in relation to ukraine and they are very simple, it is the destruction of ukrainian statehood, the destruction of the ukrainian nation, and when he says to eliminate the danger from ukraine, he knows that he does not have ukraine, there is no problem, and therefore he is categorically against any follow what i say to

our western friends, and the main thing is not from the west, there are people who are politicians who are ready to support us to the end, and this is part of europe, but there are also those who are ready to play politics, who demonstrate that they still have fears about putin and what will happen after putin. they have a fear of escalation. they have a fear that control over what is happening will get out of hand. there are also such people there, and here they are. the situation in the western world is still very difficult, and there are many we are working in asia of course there are also worthy uh worthy uh four steps forward there, many countries understand that the behavior of russia today can always turn into similar behavior of china, they

understand what the stakes are for their security in africa and latin america, the situation is much it is more difficult, and there it will be necessary to work with each country with many politicians to show that this project is justice, it is about values, and if you do not support us here, you will always be bald, like those stories. and there is no need to hope that all of us absolutely unconditionally support this, there will be no need to work on the result. well, now we have the result. on january 16, the minister of defense of great britain, ben wallace, announced during a speech in the house of commons about the allocation the largest package of military aid to accelerate ukraine's success in the war and, in particular, it is about the fact that britain will provide

ukraine with challenger 2 during a telephone conversation with the president, the prime minister of great britain spoke about this e-e sc-drone of challenger tanks - it is about a company from 12 to 15 tanks, evacuation and repair vehicles, self-propelled artillery installations of nuclear power plants, 90 armored personnel carriers, 100,000 artillery shells, a hundred missile systems, in short, quite serious help from great britain , can we consider these weapons which have the most the first such serious help to come from the british in the current year, and rather even in the current half-year, since this half-year should determine the course and the finale, is it possible to see mr.

serhiy from the west in the perspective of the russian-ukrainian war as the first help? i do not consider it because he was very a cool american package at the beginning of the year that includes there including bradley and a lot of other things up to literally up to iz-2 up to catholic before the new year there was a package with ammunition very cool and if you put it together it's almost 5 billion dollars that's really very cool, they are americans, the americans remain number one both in terms of quality and quantity of what is provided to us by the british package is very important for me and for all of us, and that the challenger heavy tanks appeared there for the first time, yes, tsska-deon, yes, it is about a limited number but i believe that in

the end, this will also put additional pressure on the german government. by the way , mrs. lampi, the former minister of defense, resigned, and she was no different . especially sympathy for ukrainians , he probably has sympathy. she had, but the desire to take political steps to take the initiative. well, there probably wasn't. now there will be a new minister of defense. and this appointment for schultz means that he is also ready to go ahead and raise the stakes. of course, he will do this in consultation with

allies, first of all with biden, but i expect that a decision will be made regarding the leopards. it is difficult to say, uh, the time frame but nevertheless, all these fears and grasping at the heart of germany, but offensive german weapons will again be used against russia, and this is where someone else is sitting there, you know, in the subcortex somewhere under the consciousness. well, of course, there is no desire to escalate, the desire to leave some maneuvers for negotiations, but all these considerations exist in berlin. nevertheless, progress is clearly and unambiguously, and it is very important for us to receive military assistance right now for the organization of countermeasures, we understand very well that in russia putin is not will deviate from his goals and he will try

to make the russian missile defense system work in those changes, and for us, e-e help, both qualitative and quantitative, from our partners is absolutely critical. these are estimates that this aid will somehow affect the defense potential of great britain. i believe that it will definitely not affect and in the end it is necessary to speak here. there are acc even kissengers who admitted their mistake must be said. what ukraine wants informal is part of the event and are part of the potential over moscow, they all talk, they fight, as if to know well, if they talk, then they already consider us to be a de facto part of nato, and let it

stand . e their capabilities, as the commander of the british army, general patrick sanders, said, the transfer of a large-scale aid package to ukraine will significantly strengthen the military capabilities of the armed forces of ukraine and indicates that ukraine will find a good use of british aid in the fight with russia and emphasized that the defeat of russia in ukraine will make us safer, well, that is, the brits still understand that in this war, the defeat of ukraine will mean the defeat of not only europe, but also the whole world, you already mentioned schultz and the german leopard just a few days ago in lviv, there was a meeting of the lublin troika and the triangle, and there

the president of poland said that he would provide two leopards to ukraine, and then there were a lot of different statements or denials or confirmations about the fact that we will still depend on germany we know that in europe eh all over europe, somewhere around 2,000 leopard tanks are located in different countries in greece. it seems to me that the largest number of these tanks is there, as far as i remember from the map the layout of these tanks eh and why why does so much depend on the germans because they produce tanks or why in this situation, scholz is the main operator of these leopard tanks. it depends on the germans , because there are rules in the production and export of weapons. if you receive weapons at the same time

, you sign the contacts in this contract, for example, for the further transfer of weapons you need to get the consent of the person who sold them to you, this is a general rule and it is included in almost all contacts, we faced such a problem. and how did it work with our german friends when switzerland produced and gave germany ammunition for cheetahs, which we now need so much to fight with by russian couches, but in switzerland there is a principle of neutrality, the principle of neutrality they see it in a completely different way than we do, and i think that it is us together from the point of view of international law, its humanitarian right , to be neutral in wars like ours from russia, the stupid thing also enters the

heads of many people in switzerland. however, not to the end , and you are exactly what it should be in relation to the leopards, since the germans manufactured them and sold them or handed them over, they must give formal consent according to the contracts and what will happen er, go ahead with this decision, er, some in berlin felt it as such a theory, well, to some extent, friendly theories, but you know that relations between warsaw and berlin er, yes, they are relations of allies, but they are not ideal and the poles there also want compensation for the friend svitova and there are still such, i would not call them problems, but one hundred percent irritants. well, the finish line is ready to supply us with tanks, but on the condition that there will be a joint solution, and we once

came up with the idea of ​​a so -called tank consortium together with our german friends, which no one felt that he had to be the first to make a decision, of course, it sounds funny from our point of view, sergei, but for someone in europe, it was somehow still there, and they think, so what will we get from russia, so there is definitely progress, i believe that the germans will they agree to the transfer of tanks to us? i would only go to them so that they not only do it, but do it faster. even the germans have tanks and the genmital concern. but in order to prepare to re-equip so that this there were the coolest cars, it takes time, you know, in germany, nothing works super fast, and there tanks are needed for yesterday, or rather

the day before yesterday, but nevertheless, the reasons why the decision has not been made are completely clear, and i told you at the beginning of our conversation today, mr. pavla into the screen please correct me. because we are a little fo-focus, we fought on the air, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks, for those who are watching us now on youtube and facebook, please like this video and also subscribe to our social networks. we are on almost all social networks. well, read our news on espresso tv, our site is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week . pavlo klimkin, i hope

that we have improved the communication and mr. pavlo. since we are now talking about aid and what ukraine needs, it is worth mentioning the long-range missiles that we are discussing with washington. in washington, they have already stated that they need to think about the transfer of long-range missiles to ukraine regarding long-range missiles, said the deputy head of the pentagon of the united states of america for political issues, kolen kal . going into details, i will say that we recognize this need in the current phase, we should think about how to help ukraine overcome this challenge, but i will not decide in advance what kind of system it might be, well, that is, the americans will hint