the sbu is carrying out a complex of investigative and operational measures to establish all the cause-and-effect relationships and details of the tragedy, well, the government should be meeting right now in order to appoint an acting minister at its extraordinary meeting , because someone has to fulfill the duties of the minister yet and the first deputy also died together with him, he was on the same board, the duties of the head of the ministry of internal affairs will be performed by one of the five deputies of denys in monastyrskyi at the government meeting that is supposed to take place today, now uh, they have to make such a decision and to appoint a meeting in davos to the largest international economic and political forum with very deep backstage oleksii goncharenko , people's deputy of ukraine, a member of the ukrainian delegation in a couple, is currently in davos, glory to ukraine, p o

lecsion . it hurts, the children died. i personally knew denys monastyrskyi, yevhen yenin . world leaders are reacting very hard now to the tragedy in ukraine. what is there in davos, what is being discussed, what is on the agenda today we are waiting for sosoltsya's speech. this is a key speech. well, we are waiting. we know why we are waiting. we are waiting for a decision on tanks and we really hope that it will be. with them and i can say that i announced a tank coalition regarding the supply of tanks to ukraine, but this coalition will not

take place if germany does not agree because these are german tanks, i really hope that today there will be a corresponding decision and this probably now the most important expectation is well, yes, here it is working to suppress ukraine house, there is an exhibition of such russian crimes, photos well, i can show you all this a little bit, yes please, it is a big terrible photos that demonstrate everything that russia has done in ukraine it is important that this is well , the president of latvia just left here, with whom he also just spoke and he watched all this, uh, there was a panel with the participation of uh, meps, members of the british parliament, and so on. well, all this is gathered on such a map with terrible numbers that are increasing every day about crimes, but now, yes, they can see how many 100 of these crimes have already been committed, and

it is important that they really feel what price - simply, well, a tragic price is being paid by ukraine for this struggle for its independence, but also for freedom europe and for our common values, that's why it's important work and here, of course, this is a very important platform, because it 's a unique platform where at the same time its politicians and the leading world media are the leading ones. with the main thing that there is politics, both american and european, it is horses, stefanyshil times and well, not those. name the leading world business. that is, it is such a unique platform and of course we need to use it as much as possible. accordingly , there was information that the former secretary of state of the united states 99 - summer but in the light of the frost, henry kissinger made another informative throw, so to speak, not a throw

of his time, so to speak, he stood on the positions of a certain putin fersteiner. so now he said that ukraine's membership in nato is a fairly clear perspective, of course , after the victory. what do you think is happening now? so to speak, in particular, we are talking about the positions of powerful diplomats of the world , public and non-public, so in particular, in the matter of consolidating their efforts. well, of course, the question of tanks will be the best indicator. a person has, however, his position in this war has raised questions, we see that he is making serious progress and this is good, this means well, this is the victory of ukraine, the victory of our armed forces the victory of our people who proved education, including that we did not understand that we

are needed and they understood that we deserve it, well, here we must add that after all, henry kissenger says other things. for example, in this last article and even in this speech, he once again this position parents discussed here at the panel discussion about what seems to me to be the main obstacle on the way to greater aid to ukraine today, in principle, there is only one and it is not something there, it is not money, it is not even there some things it's all in the head, in the head of many people in the west, russia, as caseger wrote in his recent articles, he recently came out with an article on cooperation, and the bottom line is that russia is evil, but it is evil, if it is an integral part of the world, that is, yes, it is definitely evil no one disputes this, but it is evil, if it was, it is and will be. well, this is a part that we can not. that it will not disappear, although in fact it is this assumption that is false. well, this is russia - this is the

russian empire. well, there was an ottoman empire. well, now it is gone. no turkey was the austro-hungarian empire does not exist. i am austria. hungary was the german empire in two different guises of the german german empire, then the third paradise, well, it is not there in germany, and therefore the same must happen to the russian empire. it must disappear, alexey, but there is one moment, so to speak, the collapse of the empire of the russian austro-hungarian and german empires in various formats followed the military defeat, on the one hand, on the other hand, we understand that the defeat was caused by a coalition of states that participated in curbing unhealthy appetites as the first of the german empire, yes, and the nazi ideology of the second german empire is completely wrong. well, and so on, so to speak, according to the list. well

, the question is, so to speak, what red lines have been drawn for our internal selves by our western counterparts, and what are their red lines for us? well, we have repeatedly conducted objective we we all remember that kyivskyi will fall in three days. it 's not only russian propaganda that told this, and western analysts said it, and we have repeatedly, well, to a certain extent, forced a change in attitude, forecasts and attitude testimony therefore, we must not stop and our most important task is definitely to win this year, for this we need weapons, if we receive them in the appropriate quantity and of the appropriate quality, then it is real, if we do not receive them, it will be very difficult for us to achieve this this year, and everyone the day of continuation is a tragedy for us, well, actually, that's all i

should say to you on this topic, returning to the conversation with president duda, a great friend of the ukrainian people, and recently an extremely important meeting took place in the format yes of the so-called lublin triangle, in particular , the president of the republic of lithuania, the president of poland and the president of ukraine met with the key just to show the prime minister of poland muravetskyi who came here you see he looks at the village congratulations to the prime minister pass on mr. oleksiy i will make company here you see the prime minister - the minister of poland came right in front of you to get acquainted with this exhibition and here is the answer to the questions we just discussed with you and the lublin triangle the triangle you just mentioned yes, you and ukraine, poland, we are extremely lacking lithuania in someone from lithuania, and the blouse

is already our triangle. thank you very much, mr. oleksiy, for your work both on the davos forum and on the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel oleksiy goncharenko folk a deputy of ukraine, a member of the ukrainian delegation from davos, was included in the live broadcast , we will inform you in the future about the most important things, while we included oleksiy honcharenko from the parliamentary assembly, the government appointed ihor klymenko as the deputy minister of internal affairs and put on him the performance of the duties of the minister of internal affairs, prime minister denys shmyhal. we can see a photo of ihor klymenko about this. the head of the national police in ukraine was not elected from the deputies as announced. and the head of the national police was appointed as a deputy minister and he will

perform the duties until the appointment before the submission and appointment by the parliament, well, we have we will remind the person responsible for this direction that today a terrible tragedy happened in brovary and there the minister of internal affairs denys knastrosky and his first deputy secretary and their colleagues from the state and there were communicators, photographer , light protection, memory and sympathy to the families of the victims died , which is very scary children died because a helicopter fell into a kindergarten in brovary and we can now see a live picture from brovary and our film crew works constantly, we add them to the air from time to time and listen to what is happening there now we can see that this is the kindergarten that was hit by the helicopter already when it fell, a bright memory of the dead, let them with god feel with their feet, let's see the story about the most important thing, yes

, about chornobayivka, but chornobayivka, so to speak, is not a village that has become a certain meme and about how the inhabitants of this much- suffering place live of a settlement that experienced such a thing that god forbid this war chornobayivka how people live there now let's see from the cossack chernobay to the ataman of zaluzhny the village in which for 250 years the enemies of ukraine have been destroyed today the soldier from with the callsign mushroom, the partisans in kherson then broke out of the occupation and took up with their comrades the liberation of their native city. today, he is our tour guide around the liberated chernobaivka, but behind us is an empty square, you could say an empty summerhouse, and before that there was a lot of equipment here and everything more or less intact. or it is possible for details, our guys took everything, we will repair it and we will, well, the russian forest is also

working, this is the kherson international airport, which is located in chernobaivka. it was here that the occupiers stockpiled their equipment and the armed forces ukraine skillfully destroyed it, they stood here until the last one, they brought here a permanent one, they constantly brought equipment here. to be honest, it is difficult to count how many pieces of equipment there are, because even on that piece, how many exactly from what, well, it is not clear here. well, i think hundreds of the resort is littered, they are in no hurry to clean it. because the occupiers left behind a lot of holes , our tractors recently got stuck in the mud. not far from here. to the usual life and so everything is here, don't forget all of us on the burguzyki, we have written down all the heating, gas, everything is now lyudmila and her son were

in chernobaivka during the entire occupation, they could not leave because of the boy's physical disabilities, the daughter and her granddaughter left, and we took them a little through vasylivka through zaporozhye and will return to his house in chernobaivka due to enemy invasion, more than half a thousand residential buildings were damaged, and the population was reduced by three times, almost 8,000 people left their homes artem lagutenko oleksiy kutsuk tv channels espresso thank you to our colleague louboutin kusoku for this important plot, in the meantime, an event happened, yes, dfv hunters destroyed russian saboteurs in the direction of bakhmut. it is reported that the russians tried to approach the position of our army in broad daylight near the ticks and

south of bakhmut. but they were immediately detected by hunting birds. the enemy infantry and the brigade mortar battery and the transferred crab self-propelled installation worked perfectly together, the bigger russians do not go along this path, updated information by state at 15:00 from the state emergency service, according to this information, as a result of the fall of the helicopter, 14 people died, one child and 9 people who were on board , that is, 14 as of now, this is official, updated information. on the right, we can see a live picture of brovary there today, a kindergarten fell a helicopter with the leadership of the ministry of internal affairs well, the russians shelled chernihiv oblast during the day in 15 minutes with more than 10 explosions this was reported by the operational

command north, i quote, from 11:05 to 11:20 sent information about 11 parishes probably from an 82-mm mortar in the area of ​​the settlement of buchki e in the operational command of the north specified that there were no casualties among personnel and equipment, there was no information about losses among the local population or damage to civilian infrastructure russian dictator vladimir putin said that he had launched a special military operation to stop the war in ukraine according to him, russia allegedly did everything possible to come to an agreement with ukraine, but was deceived. in ukraine, these civilians are killed in order to reconcile a military expert, i see that it is necessary to include some psychiatrist and well, but we will work now on the situation on the fronts , so military experts should easily join

our conversation, the editor-in-chief of defense express, olezhe vita, good day, thank you for the invitation, well, accordingly would like to ask , so to speak, for a delicate assessment of the possibility , so to speak, of the third version of those announced by the security service of ukraine, that is, except for the violation of certain flight rules and so then it could be about a possible diversion or not diversion or some insidious shot, how long do you think such an examination plan can last, in particular, it is about the investigation of the tragedy in brovary, in which a new significant part of the leadership of the ministry of internal affairs died, and not only him, but objectively, in any case, if we simply take the general experience of the world, such investigations last not a day, not two, and not even one or two

months . possible tangential theoretical causes of the plane crash and, most importantly, it is impossible not to repeat it. in the future, this is an extremely important document, the preparation of which is not such a self-investigation, but also the determination of the main cause, it takes several months at least, even just to say that according to the previous ones results, that is, that is why the aspect that is quite unnecessary is extremely important, in my opinion, it is quite careless to listen to all kinds of people there who, literally 5 minutes after the tragedy, are already starting to give one hundred percent to say what exactly caused it, that is, it is extremely important to really wait for the official results, uh, well, simply because, well, it really hurts the trachea, yes, it is definitely very

painful, may god rest in peace and memory, but the situation at the front remains extremely tense, hellish difficult, in particular, we are talking about the bakhmut direction, we are talking about the soldier and so on, mr. editors, what are the main trends of the battles in the great donbass battle, eh? when a huge amount of aromatic meat is simply thrown in and it was just a test look at how much it is necessary to put a few trained personnel in order to, well, let's say that to advance , for example, in the area of ​​soledar, and this is extremely important for them because they have to understand and exactly what amount, for example well, they must have armed forces and here it is possible. of course, this is a coincidence

, objectively, it is a coincidence, but the important thing here is the death that i only recently, for example, a plan was approved to increase the armed forces of the russian army up to 1.5 million people, that is, it was approved despite the fact that it was initially planned, and then he received the signature of the leaders of putin's fascists, and the important thing about it is that the puck, for example, announced that 200 conscripts , er, were in fact, well, extremely the number of contract workers is 700,000. and this means that the other eight 100,000 will be directly conscripted soldiers, that is, those who will be called up or who will be mobilized , that is, not contract workers, and this again indicates that the enemy can use such tactics to continue the offensive despite the fact that there is a lack of anti-aircraft shells, we will simply fill it with corpses, not counting the loss of manpower - this is what

you need to be prepared for, they can mobilize manpower, and they say that putin may announce a new wave of mobilization today but technically, can they provide this manpower and keep up with the equipment and prepare somehow, at least elementary? eh, which is being announced, here is a huge mess. because when we start to understand, as a general rule, any healthy person, that the draft is even mandatory for the military, this is the necessity of his training, and adequate training that lasts for 2-3 days, even for two weeks according to the course of a young fighter , this is to be provided to him there are two horns from a kalashnikov to tell him, shoot there, you're well done, go die there, it's full-fledged training - it's medical care, it's such banal things as even there a bulletproof vest there or a helmet, that is,

all this is significant training and if we let's see how, for example, our military is trained, especially when it comes to their training there on the territory of the nato country. there are courses that last for several months. in principle, there is a certain aspect of training and its details, but to stretch er, sorry, but just the logic of a healthy person on what is happening in the russian federation, this is a useless situation, because there it is not about the fact that there is any indicator of how much they need to be trained, it is possible to recruit them, and no one there cares how much they will study , where they will study, they do not care where where is this mass of people that it can completely summon, where will it sleep, for example, that is, it will put a tent in the middle of the field and then it will fight with dysentery, for example, and whoever survived there is lucky, conditionally. that is, we should not compromise on the question of how much of what is needed there, or will they be able to to ensure that they are taught because this is not a criterion for the kremlin itself. that is, it is simply a living force that is just a

line in the statistics and which simply goes into the statistics, as long as there is no need to put these why fights in order to advance somewhere on one more conditional kilometer should not be measured by living minds, yes. but there are not only chumps there, there are also trained fighters. well, there is absolutely a question of technology and we understand that we should outplay the enemy with the help of technology and heavy armored vehicles - this is one of the keys, although still for it is a great pity for many european politicians that the topic of discussion is tormented as if the sun tormented them. well, one cannot but quote for this reason that if the german government decides in the near future to supply leopard 2 tanks to ukraine, then by the end of the 23rd year, he will be able to hand over to us from 10 to 15 repaired tanks, the german

press writes. well, we understand that in simple language this is called a kind of bullying . then we would agree with our part of the same german leopards. how do you see history in terms of remains? in the current phase, an extremely important aspect here is the information regarding the fact that germany can transfer leopard-2 tanks there only until the end of the year and such the amount is based on an interview with the manager of rain metal, a private german company, rain metal, which is a subcontractor of the company that produces the leopard 2 kvn tank. that is, it is one of the companies that is engaged in the repair and restoration of attachments, this concerns the stocks of this company and the technological state of tanks in the amount of 22 units of the second wheelie that this

company owns, they are privately owned, that is, these figures are relative to the possibility of transferring exactly this number of machines, they refer to the case when berlin accepts the decision to buy a leopard-2 tank from the private company rain metal, pay for their repair and restoration, and then transfer them to ukraine at the same time. it is more important to understand that if we are talking about the short-term transfer of tanks , then those that are directly in the bundessphere and or the armed forces - which other country and a potential agreement because even if some country, for example, in finland, it has 100 leopard tanks 24 us in storage but in any case, if it comes to the transfer of self-preserved machines there will be technological recovery cycle, because these machines that have been in storage for a huge number of years, moreover, they could even be donors for the machines that i will arrange now. that is, there may be enough engine sights for guns. that is, this is a

machine that can even be disassembled , and that's why. yes, their recovery can and will take months, months at a time, six months can even be calm, but for ukrainian women in the short term, as we say, these machines, which can be transferred directly from the warehouse , play an important role of the armed forces that are currently in service, that is, they are both ready, they are undergoing technical maintenance there and are ready to be transferred to ukraine, and this is a much shorter period of transfer, and if they will take exactly such a list of countries, then, well, let's say this is the root of a real solution , that is, it is much more difficult than, for example, one the country said we will give you 100 tanks, but the problem is that not every country in the european union can boast that, firstly, it has tanks in service, and secondly, it has at least more than 100 tanks, for example, for sweden has 120 leopards a5. that is, she cannot physically

say, get here, you cannot give, for example, 100 tanks objectively over there to poland , because she has more than 250 leopards so close there, but she understands that she in the first row, it is too much to say so to say how much they can convey to us, i was very much expecting that at least everything points to this, that is, the first waver for the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine e-e stated that he was going to work on assembling an e-e tank brigade for leopards the second is if we measure by the nato standard - it is 84 cars. if now the armed forces of ukraine have 93, if i'm not mistaken , the prime minister of poland recently announced that it was about exactly that car, that is, taking into account everything for example if we take those machines that are in service and potential donors, then well, we are recruiting, that is, it will be necessary to give a little less than 10% of the

tanks that are in service to potential donors, that is, we will recruit there, for example, such countries as switzerland or hungary or austria we we don't even take greece and turkey, and well , because they are so friendly that the relations between these countries that they cannot give weapons now, that is, if we take other operators, then yes, there is a resource for transferring tanks that are even in the system , and if we count those that need to be restored are again only in finland . for example, tanks up to 2.4 pairs are not stored, well, you predict what will be the military effect of them, that is, we will have enough of them for this, it is clear why we need them here, so to speak, we have literally three minutes left. yes, here we would like to simply discuss the issue of the patriots, yes. well, because the kingdom of the netherlands also joined, that is, three batteries are already looping, it may also be a matter of timing, according to you, mr. editor.

similarly, what is the term i think it is simply tied to the training of the crews because, well , with you, in the case of the calculations of the operators of the zenith missile complex itself, that is, they will be transferred in view of everything simply to the extent of the training of the personnel themselves because, again, they are not collected from storage, but simply transferred for armament , that is, the process is much faster, and the fact that, for example, the netherlands transfers everything shows that in reality they are only there, if i am not mistaken, 1.5 dozen batteries in the netherlands that is, this is a rather significant contribution , taking into account the ratio of even one battery to the available quantity, and well, we start with indicators from three batteries, that is, it must be understood that, for example, the usa has the resources to transfer more than one battery and well, let's put it this way, when it comes to the presence of such a number and even three

units, then this is already quite a strong strengthening of the port-air defense of ukraine, there will be an understanding in poland, as of now, 4 units, four batteries, four batteries, yes, and the issue of training personnel who will serve and accordingly, it is also about the accompanying logistical military, the entire machineriva, yes absolutely, and the training period has already been reduced to a minimum, that is, they are not mistaken, we are talking about several months. well, they are already studying there was integration in the usa, that is, the process is accelerated as much as possible and it is, well , not really here. the question is that you teach standard courses there for a long time, 9-12 months at least, and there as i am afraid that just the operator, the operators will not even really sleep, and it will be put training, but here an important aspect is that they study in the professional, i said bluntly, the most professional anti-aircraft fighters in the world who have the most professional experience and combat experience, oleg

, thank you for the schedules, professional specialists in military affairs, oleg katkov, military expert, editor-in-chief of dfs express , our best specialists really have to study in the regime of a real war, and their terms are shortened by more than half the terms of training. well, meanwhile, the secretary general of the united nations, guter, said that he does not see the end of the war anywhere the message was lost, but it was here on the espresso website. go and read. he does not see a quick end to the war in ukraine. more news and details will be in our news. angelica seasonka is ready to join in and tell you a word. angelica, thank you, colleague. well, all the attention today of course, it is connected to the tragedy in brovary and now we will have the inclusion of our correspondent in hospitals where injured people are