yes, uh, i just read that the workers even bring down the equipment for extracting salt in parts, disassemble it, you, as a person who visited and went down there, tell me it is real, that we have not seen any war, they get tanks, they are stored unreal, that is, disassemble the tank, lower it there, collect it the target is very difficult and ah, hmm mitrovyshta, the target is hidden by vertical mines. that is, it is a vertical shaft and borehole to a depth of 300 m. of course, weapons were once assembled in these mines. there would also be legends about the fact that in soviet times, small arms was stored in some soledar mines, is it true, there are such testimonies that are preserved, and there was a confrontation regarding these weapons warehouses in the 14th year, but i him and as far as i know these weapons, it seems that they were taken there already in 2015

, mr. mykhailo did not come today with empty hands and with a book, as befits a local historian and a cartographer. tell me what kind of book it is. the path is marked with salt . the salty history of the east of ukraine. with this is the salty history of the methodonech region, we are from luhansk region, the goal is a bit of sumy region, and all of this was combined into one such book, why did we pass it ? the goal now is er attention is focused on the east to the soledar er these cities

are being destroyed a-a we are there, it would be a great pity if we release another goal later this book will not have such a metaeffect and p- because at the time there are many people who have left these regions, and they are metanostalized by their land to look exactly like this book was published as a project for the integration of people. that is, we distribute this book among the libraries of the centers where forced migrants are accepted, so that people can live and the goal is to learn more about their country . where are we from ? we came, that is, an inter-person is coming to lviv oblast , and she is also from bakhmut, for example. well, you can't

tell me anything about it. that is, you are in the news, it's bakhmut . in the dark, a photo of the layout of the bakhmut fortress according to the exposition of the bakhmut local history museum. that is, it is still going on from history. we thought that the bakhmut fortress is like an image today of the fact that our military they are fighting to defend the city in bakhmut to the fortress, but it turns out that the bakhmut fortress is hundreds of years old. let's talk about we also have a fragment of a map that you prepared for us to broadcast. let's show it to the audience. we know that these maps are 300 years old. they are from the stockholm museum . if i'm not mistaken, please tell me. what kind of map is this, now the editor will display it on our screen and, er, you will tell us about the history of the bakhmut fortress, how many years are there in this history, well, 171 years for the map and how old is it,

this is a metamap from about the 1830s, it is a meta swedish copy - and this was the russian-language analogue of this map, and it was made by an engineer who served in the meta-russian army , and the methods of the bryngs were of french origin, and during the preparation of peter i for the azov campaign, he drew up a metaplan of bakhmut, and this copy was already made by the swedes and why the swedes in those days preparations were active and the goal was the swedish war, that is, military espionage really existed, and those maps did exist then, but the fortress was like that. well, the strategic metresources, that is, bakhmut was a real

fortress, a real fortress with a citadel, and here are the citadels themselves. and well, why was it built in 1701? at first, they build a small ostrog. and what is the purpose of burying meta-peasant cooking in bakhmutii on the bakhmutti river? they boil the whole. that is, there are no salt barns where the salt is stored. we are so important. they don't keep money there, and all this must be protected, because the steppe is bare, the goal is next to the turkish border, well, it passed where we are, so further south, we are a bahmuta, somewhere over there on the tracks of modern horlivka , the border did not pass like that, and all this must be protected, first ostrog was built and the goal, when preparations for the russo-turkish war of 1735-37 began, otaka was already being built, and there was a large fortress with bastions,

redoubts, and powder cellars. well, there it was. how much time did it take? well, here it is along the streets and, well, they will construct it with metal materials. unfortunately, there are no remains of this fortress when the city began to grow. for this purpose, the earthen ones were dug up. in my opinion, it was simply destroyed, that is, the remains today are on the territory of bakhmut. it is a pity that they cannot take bakhmut. because it is a historical well, this is a fortress, and it occupied such a central part of the city, that is, the goal, one border went along the street of the modern nezalezhnosti street and the other on the back of rostov street, that is, it it was small, but none the less, and the fortress

that is stored under the ground, bahmuti is also for what it wants to fight and reach russia, an enterprise that produces gypsum mixtures, there are deposits of gypsum on it, tell me about them . a satellite of rock salt, it is present on everyone in all salt deposits, and having a large deposit of rock salt, we have large deposits of gypsum and soledari, and in bakhmut, there were two large enterprises on alkhimstronbas and they mined gypsum, and there was a large enterprise artemiv plant of champagne, he and the underground factory are already manufactured, ah, hmmm, we

joked about the fact that russia did not really want to take over the first year of 1950, and they built motorcycles, the factory hmmm, this is a big underground factory. that is stored in the underground, yes. and if we talk about donbas in general, there were a lot of conversations about the fact that gas uh. and that is exactly why putin wants this theory, which we in the information space constantly discuss and the russians use it, as if the war had started in donbas for years e ukrainians and we of the americans in order to get some of the most moderate gas there , he just says that he wants to save people so much, is he really in this region? well, i would say that to the non-slanders , vygas. and we and natural gas, what is the purpose?

method of hydraulic fracturing, that is, the goal is not exactly the goal, and the goal is what is called in english lugas, this is also natural gas, to keep such gas in it, so we call it shale . well, this is because the shell company, which specializes in america but you know this kind of production of shale gas, uh, and such gas is also extracted in kharkiv oblast, and the goal in poltava oblast is large and shchebensky, it is the deposits of kharkiv oblast, it is the goal , the goals worked before that. principles for the extraction of any minerals, that is, the extraction of minerals is always the goal and harm to nature, any coal. whether it was coal or the goal is something else, we are talking about the fact that the russians want salt

mines, about the fact that i want to extract gas in the donbass but there is still a certain part of donbas that has already been occupied for 8 years and there are mines there, and there is information about what the russians have done with them. what do you know? well, most of the targets of the mines have been flooded and destroyed, which leads to a great mycological catastrophe, that is, well, only the land there can remain maybe it's a big ecological disaster because the soil when mineral extraction goes on and a void is formed in the ground and this slab void is filled with groundwater, this is mandatory, it may not be fast, it may be a slow goal, depending on such the demographic situation of this region due to the fact that it was necessary to simply invest money in this support, which is why it happened that the mines

are flooded and now an ecological disaster can be flooded already, well, such a metaconductive goal is a point of no return. that is, they had to be pumped out and washed immediately and constantly, no, no, no well, this is stopping them, er, that is, how does it happen, you can’t stop mining, you can stop it, there are other goals, this is a whole system, hmmm, and reconstruction, the goal is to liquidate mines, that is, how do you know when a new mine is being built, a new one is being built the enterprise is immediately thought out and plans are drawn up, and here’s how to close it, that is, it’s not just like opening a mine and starting to add fossils and not thinking about what to do later when the enterprise is closed, and there is only one way to arrange conservation and liquidation of chess: dry conservation or metamorka conservation and that is, most of the mines were on dry conservation, that is, mines and

water is constantly being pumped out, and you will. a neighboring mine is also closed, then the load goes even more, when they closed most of the time, this mine in the region is formed filled with water, and everyone and everything, well, they are all filled with water , the strata begin to collapse, and you begin to subside, the earth is formed, we are formed, and it collapses this is what leads to this, and this is the runation of the buildings that are located on the surface, there is another such a problem, there is a problem with the release of methane, and in the coal mines , we used to get out of the pits.

the water bill, it tumbles to the surface, and it can, er, it can, er, not accumulate in the basements, we are so in buildings and now it is impossible to feel it, and it is a sports metal, natural gas that comes from the kitchen stove, it is added flavoring to it so that a person could hear him walking, uh, what else is tagas, and we uh, we got used to this smell. and in natural gas, well, no one gave any rheumatizer. i want to go back to the history of the bakhmut fortress. let's talk about what happened the fortress after it was created in the form in which we see it now. well, this fortress was created, it fulfilled its purpose, it protected the bakhmut metalworks, but

when the russian-turkish war ended, the goal was defeated by turkey, when the russian empire captured the crimea the needs and the fortress, the need for the fortress disappeared and the purpose of the city began to grow and to this earth it was free but they simply leveled it, that is, it then turned into it and they did not destroy the territory, but it turned into na na desna yes, because in the past taras was angry at all and the bigger city and all the centuries it existed as bakhmut that is how when the name was changed in 1922 when we renamed it to artemivsk in honor of the goal of artem, the revolutionary, well, this is that communist, that is fyodor sergeev, and it was so after existed until 2016, there were periods when they tried to

take over bakhmut. this is how it is today. if you compare it with today, the history of bakhmut during the second world war. well, we are not the second world war, but the bakhmut fortress once was burned down during the minsk uprising , this is the uprising that was fed up with the ownership of the salt industries. what? well, this confraternity was known as the chieftain of the saltworks, and it was the tsarist government, it was the government of peter i, and it was liquidated after the last one, and bakhmut was burned there, if we say so. about minerals, i will return to soledar, to salt deposits, to gypsum, which bachmuts, which sales markets can russia use, how unique are these deposits, and you and i will not tell the audience something untrue to the audience right now talked about and you say that russia has its own deposits, in principle, they also extract their own salt, which new sales markets or which are interesting to

them can they use. so, for example, after that, when they capture it, but for sure they will not capture this territory of the motherland of sales , that is, they have large deposits there what are the salts there? we have a goal there, a very long history, there it is, too, mm, it’s a salt mine, it’s the deposits of the sales market. well, if they continue to be under sanctions, but yes, where will they go to wash this salt, or how many years will the deposits last? here is the goal it is difficult to say that there is such a myth that for all 140 years of underground livestock, a-a extracted only 1% using mitoday methods. it was a big mountain . yes, it’s such a goal. it’s a soledar myth. well, everyone says so and so. they say so on excursions. only one percent. i

believe that you have been around for thousands of years, nothing to be surprised about. well, maybe, but it seems to me that this percentage is higher. is much larger because there are statistics there for the post-soviet period and for the period of the soviet period. there is still more, and i think we are 100 years old. that's enough. i'll ask the editors to return the picture with the photos of the underground salt museum. tell us about it, how it appeared, how old it is, and how many routes are there in this. in this museums in order to interest ukrainians after the victory, definitely visit his spa hotel, there is some kind of... well, you are not quite a hereditary sanatorium, but again so

modern in order for tourists to go . by 2021, at the beginning, even until the 22nd year, four tourist routes were operating, four uh, the purpose of different tourist routes, one route is exactly in the back of the sanatorium, where, in addition to staying from the pilososanatorium, well, this is he, this was active, and we are at night, we are people went down there and we spent the night in a salt mine. and we are the ones who breathe this salt air and, er, hmm , in this way, diseases of the respiratory system were cured, and they had such a small tourist route that you can

walk there in an hour and a half so that the goal is not it was possible to stay like this for all the tourists, and then there was a separate tourist route from the museum of the salt industry, which then operated in the strong mine in the tribiz mine, and in 2021, in 2020, in the first year. they opened a new route to the old mine in the bryantsivka mine. this is the first salt mine in donetsk region. it’s so big there. the mine is very interesting because there are not so many large chambers and mining. well, you can fast there. galleries what explosives were also mined. that is, these are the works of the end of the xix

century, then there were still no combine harvesters , we and kylo had explosives, there were metabore and they are very interesting, and in 2021, another tourist route was opened in the extravaganza of salt. and what kind of more motor-relaxing one is it with world effects, and the theme of the highlighter is yes this is a highlight, but that’s all the same old route. and how is it mined, well, now they have stopped extracting salt, how is it done according to modern methods, and how many workers mined salt, in fact, a photo of the tunnel where it is mined by machine, a-a, combine operation, what are the methods of extraction and now mmm, but only him and machines, only

how much will manual labor be, it was not used as in the old days, it was a museum of visitors, because i remember when i was in the velichka museum, we were there for about four hours, but there were an incredible number of tourists in the queue for tickets and indeed, first of all, the various halls are very interesting and played. i understood why these mines are so wildly popular in poland. but in ukraine, how many people visited before the start of the war? was it popular? routes target tourists a lot of people came from different regions. this is the biggest. the goal is from kharkov, not sure because the goal is the territorial goal. it was closer to go. well, this is a big meta-flow of tourists. and in poland, it is more known to people on the ground and tourists in

the industrial area. we are there . the routes of the council of europe, we have such a network of industrial routes, and our dream was that we and our soledar mines would enter this and that european route, so that the european tourists would go to the east of ukraine and see what else we have, i.e. europeans open some applications there. yes, and i can see if there is a laid-out route here, interesting cities we wanted to visit. and for that, you need to apply somewhere. there is some association of european tourist music objects and an association, and you have to wash the application, and that must have probably been there as well. the goal is to improve a little and the service in terms of hospitality in terms of places where you can conveniently stay because well, all the more we are there soledar tourists came one day they saw the mine and we left the city without

stopping in bakhmut or there in slavyanska eh, but we tried to unite all these cities with the project of a path marked by force in order to delay the tourist as long as possible so that he planned a trip not for one day, but for two or three days, we united entrepreneurs eh worked with hotels, wash all places, leave information on what else you can see, go there and find out about it. why did you decide to explore the dungeons of donbas? well, this is my recent hobby, which probably started there. well, i was born in horlivka. meta-industrial the region is a big miner's town. well, being interested in dungeons, being a native of horlivka

, was difficult for me. they imagine it donbas is then yes this is the goal a little later here at the beginning hmm what did it start should this then well, i traveled a lot in donetsk region, it practically has no cities-places but where i have not been, well, i know this region very well and you promise us after victory to conduct an examination and its purpose to see here last year we visited tractorists from kyiv aa their goal was difficult to start and hmm well it is to invite to motivate

and when we looked, we came and see that in two or three days they do not have time to look at all this it is interesting that this trip should be made for 4-5 days so that one visit can see everything and already the goal was the priorities . here we have a colleague with a stop motion film and kyiv murals angela savchenko, she also says that i am very sorry that but that is why we went to the meta tasting champagne city to see the architecture of bakhmut, that is, from time to time, this excursion is in a salt mine, and i want to make sure that after the victory, every ukrainian should visit there and that we value the places where our ukraine was born, that we study the history of our region, our ukraine, and precisely under the time of the war and it is in this that we begin

to be interested in this in the context of the fact that fierce battles are going on there and everyone is starting to understand what bakhmut is, what soledar is... really bakhmut was a fortress. thank you for making people fall in love in donbas. and you also tell the story of mykhailo kulishov was on this broadcast, they definitely fell in love with this region and will definitely visit it after the victory. with you was the night guard nataliya ostrovska, i'm yevgeny plinsky mykhailo kulishov, a local historian, a cartographer, was with us in the studio. see you on the air. see you on the air. yourself in a handful of zazuruk is more visible in time, the destruction of people is the brightest, we are holding on, you are a bunch of hell,

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