it was convenient or they are still waiting i i i i still think that in order to order such er kozlov which or well some of them are smaller than the total less part that went er because they believed that er russia - this is the bratskyi narod. yes, these should be expelled, and the majority who thought, well, here we are, there is something there , uh, we are patriotic in the general government there, in kharkiv, there in izyumsk, uh, in some other, what, well, in the sumy region, for example, where they uh, got into the majority formed the majority , formed the local governments, yes, they must be expelled anyway, so that the second would not be one was to expel is simply treason. do they still have to bear some responsibility if they simply expel, they will be convicted, they will convict this zaido who betrayed it again, it is necessary that

a law be passed at the state level that the opzzh and everyone repeats everyone who once was already eh well, they have to lose their powers, just like how germany banned at one time that all those who were in the national socialist parties should not hold any public positions, which is simply at the level of the law, if you go out for a walk, well, how right here, you can identify yourself as many who are in the former party in the biography of the party are also in the current party, and before that there is also the party of regions, for example, who joined the party of regions there since 2004 ? creation, although we play like this, petro oleksiyovych also took part there too well, i don't know, i don't know, there are a lot of people there, the

next regiment on may 9, where they fought, in memory of kozhedub, you can't touch pushkin. i remember how my students ran to me and brought handfuls of st. george ribbons. i say well look, the girl will burn herself. well, what did they give her somewhere in the university? what? what did the passengers come to give out handfuls of? damn, just handfuls of girls. there they give a handful of them. phew there dude, go sleep in person, she was burning there and i was pleased that my students brought me this filth and burned viktor in front of me, after all, i don’t have an answer to the question of how to properly and to preserve our democratic course, and morality and all the rest and the reputation, after all, it is a matter of raking it all in , so to speak

the option is to register all of them, throw them out now and prevent them from running for office in the future , because now those who die for ukraine and then the government will use it again. and not only that, there are many passers-by. why even a countryman, the deputy is a hammer, now there is a sensitive one, the very main military there they have already joined all the armed forces and are fighting. well, they are fighting, of course, most of them are somewhere in the rear. but somewhere or in chernivtsi, there in transcarpathia, but they keep it there, i uh, emphasize that a law must be passed. according to this law, there must be restrictions on certain categories the civil court of human rights is there, is it honestly our truth not to recognize them? that is, everyone who , for example, from a certain number was a party of regions or a party, has the opportunity to run for office. oh, that's

right, that is, they will be tried in the future as a preventive measure, but it is necessary. well, everything must be arranged so that they are in the european court of human rights could not win, so that they could not win, just like people who support the russian federation, and ukraine admits that everyone who once supported the russian federation is an enemy of the people, and who once was, even if he is now from the armed forces of ukraine and they will say how much i love ukraine. you bitch five years ago you were giving out the damn guard tapes. it's all your fault. the deputies collected 150 signatures in the verkhovna rada . oleg dunda collected them there, but if i'm not mistaken, these are also there in his biography. parties stand, well now he is in the pro-government party and it is good that he has fulfilled this mission, now in the verkhovna rada they have collected 150 signatures in

order to deprive the deputies of the mandates of all pro-russian parties, so we can see how they voted, and this collection was initiated by oleg dunda, and they collected 150 signatures deputies have appealed, well, so far this is an appeal to stefanchuk, the head of the parliament, regarding the removal of the powers of deputies from banned russian parties, well, the parties are already de jure prohibited outside the law, and the deputies are still. oh, and medvedchuk, the same derkach. before that, two weeks ago, they were also deputies. well, we see vote yes there, the eu, the homeland for the future, the trust of the servant of the people, they gave a little, but not a lot, yes, viktor reno, what’s next. this is just an appeal to stefanshuk, eh, although well, apparently they went from those parties to parties prohibited by law, as for me, this is work security services or not. how can they still be in the parliament. well, where are yury, they are in

parliament. they are elected deputies, that is , they are where yury is in parliament. there is still no law that prohibits them from being in parliament. they will be parliamentarians. this is well, where is the de-jure factor, yes, right there, more of an ethical moment. yes, if you marry, marry a girl of easy behavior, and you will be reproached for being a freak. you married prostitutes. yes, but, er, de jure , she is the wife, and they are also de jure the deputies and the people elected the deputies of easy behavior, now who will be responsible, the people or the deputies, we, well, now the people are responsible for little else, and no, i will tell you one embarrassing thing, which i may say now, and many there

are doing some more oh-oh-oh- oh, oh, bad , bad, when people voted for zelensky in 2019, there was an alternative, well, there was one alternative, it doesn’t even name the candidate, yes, that’s the language of the army, faith, for example, i voted for the wrong candidate, yes, but to vote for the army is the language faith is the majority people voted for a negotiated settlement, er , to see peace in putin's eyes, and putin heard it, and that is, everyone who voted for zelensky in march 2019, they voted for war, and here er, there is no fault of these people, yes, er, to we shared the blame and

responsibility. but these people should have some responsibility. well, everyone who voted then, well, at least it is possible that many had different motives. it will be like that, well, we'll vote like that. well, at least let's laugh well, you have the right to say that, but people just wanted easy solutions, they wanted everything to be beautiful, they voted for the surname, they didn't really want to analyze the programs, you understand let half of our people yes let half of our people they won't admit it right now if i say you are guilty of that stop innocents. well, indirectly, yes. so what is she

, this is this, this is a legal status of some kind. yes, but you participated in it, you defended it, you mutilated it, and putin came and drowned. what did he think that the majority of the ukrainian people was ready to accept ? there, he will agree on the middle ground, and putin thought that the middle ground was not even the dnipro, and the zbrucha, well, there is something else, uh, six regions are given to the poles, and he will take the rest to his empire, and here are all those who in march 19th came to the elections and said those in the middle, but they are voting for it. well, they brought the war closer. viktor, i still wanted to discuss this topic with you for a short time, but in short, in principle, otaka's position is not very responsible, and both the voters and the authorities pay for it, then the rest of the ukrainians , for example, those who now they are dying and i hear and read

from the soldiers, what they say is that we fight because it is a matter of honor, but then when they come back, what do they see that is happening there in the government , uh, well, at different levels, uh, well, like, we don't want to live here. we'll be there if everything goes well. when, when we win, we will go abroad. even this is heard, and here there is also a question of the professionalism of the responsibility of the government, well, any government, now it’s a question of advisers . arestovych wrote a resignation letter this week, yes. and what do you think about this person ? so so doubtful this institute of advisers is a bunch of advisers , where did he go all the way to the president's office, whose adviser? as you can see, the president's office didn't explain anything after he said that it was our ppp in dnipro that shot down a rocket and that's why it fell. they made a request last year, by the way, exactly in january , last year a year before well, a year ago, and

i don’t know how as of now, but then in january 2022, 572 people worked part-time in the office of the president, that is you can imagine how many completely president there are more than any ministry. well, in my opinion, in general, this is all a perversion, and you know how it is, arestovych, he is like a secretary-secretary, because andriy yarmak himself is not constitutional position. yes, he is like the head of the president's office. well, that is, he is like the main office manager, who should only know where zelenskyi is meeting today, and with whom. well, in fact, yes, the office

is the office manager of any firm. his main mission is the sign of who conducts absolutely everything it's a big bump that he manages both the parliament and the government, and well, de facto, he is the vice king there. yes, here is the adviser of the adviser, yes , in fact, yarmak is the chief adviser of zelenskyi, and here the adviser of the adviser, that is, who is responsible for this, what is he? what he blurted out is that all their propaganda was picked up by russian and it is very helpful to them. who is responsible for this now, the secretary-secretaries or who? that if a party is created under him , this party will be 5% without stopupodo because, well, the detainee has a lot of uh, well,

roughly speaking, i once came uh, for the first time after the de-occupation of sumy oblast, they came somewhere to kyiv and i'm watching. it's like , even standing up, you have to sleep so that he calms down. and that means he has 5%. anyway, he'll go into politics. he'll still stay with the president's office and what he wrote there. oh, i'll point it out, i made a mistake. i leave it like that. it's good for politics, too he'll think come on he'll nod his head there like yes there like damn well done to nakosyachym and left straight like a european politician he'll still be eh the last interview he gave to feginim damn i just i was just delighted with him well he's a genius he's back so,

yes, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, but you understand who's there right now, there are trolls . yes, i'm trolled by either medvedchuk or poroshenko, and then he repeated three or four times in the interview to put medvedchuk and poroshenko in a row that is, you understand why, where, where? well, dima is a demonized person, and of course poroshenko must be framed here, and arestovych will continue to carry out this mission, he will be a media killer for the president's office, for this he needs official uah 30,000, which is paid to the assistant there. now it’s on his hand to be independent, he’s paying with chubby envelopes for what he will be and then he will continue to work for the

office of the president, he’s not going anywhere victor, i thank you for this, well, first of all, the buffer party between zelenskyi and others, and secondly, this one the party will, when it enters the parliament , help zelensky, this means that you and i will have a lot of work, because this is also a question of choosing the pillows with which our people hug, then choose these pillows for the parliament and in various councils, and then they are surprised why do we live so badly? thank you viktor boborenko, even anya is surprised . and where did most of the people come from? we have a war, and most of the people don’t understand why. yes, you voted for the war. viktor boborenko, political analysis bureau and historian and political scientist. thank you, as always interesting and professionally further. let's go again, we will continue to

attach this topic to the representatives of the local self-government of zaporizhzhia, zaporizhzhia region , it is very important for us now. well, in principle , it is important and it is a front-line issue . well, let's start, let's talk about your local self-government, about the deputies. today i'm mainly talking about the russians, whom we didn't elect. and now we don't know what to do with them. such nonsense has been almost a year of war in our country. they sit in the councils, but let's start with operational information, you have constant shelling there, and a few days ago you wrote that your house was also shelled, what is the situation now in zaporizhzhia, well , in fact, i think that the last two weeks the situation has become more tense, and almost every day we have shelling or shelling of communities which is close to zaporizhzhia or the suburbs of zaporizhzhia. and a few days ago, two days

ago, there was actually a rocket attack on the center of the city, which hit a residential high-rise building. fortunately, no one was injured, there were no casualties, but there was another meter and literally i think that the entrance was completely destroyed as it was there in the dnipro and as it was in zaporizhzhia in october and also according to the general staff report and according to the information of the zaporizhzhia regional military administration , in fact, every day we have shelling there on the 15th the 17th population center of the zaporizhzhia region has a large front line, this is actually the entire southeast of the region, this is orikhiv, e.e., the malinovsk community, the gulyaipil community, there is constant shelling, and what do you associate this activation with ? possible attack in zaporizhzhia and in principle these days one offensive attempt was repulsed with that gulya-gulyaipillya tokmak er-e what is there in this plan now to what extent zaporizhia is preparing for a

possible offensive actually every day i think that the occupiers are generally trying to push the front line every day, this is happening constantly now there is more activation a-a. i think that this is connected with the strengthening on the front line, however, i still think that such attacks are directed a-a in order to cut off a possible counteroffensive of the armed forces because i completely draw parallels with the autumn similar by rocket attacks on the city, in fact, so that the city would be in chaos in a panic, in order to knock down some logistical flows through the city of military equipment or others in order to make , well, that is, the occupiers, when everything is fine with them on the front line, they do not touch the city. they are trying to simulate this model that we do not fight against civilians and so on, when there are difficult situations on the front or they are afraid of a counteroffensive or our defenders are fighting back , they are already starting to hit as much as possible on infrastructure and energy

infrastructure, on residential infrastructure in order to in this way, to divert the focus of attention precisely from the line and to say that you have deputies from banned parties with mandates, but they sit in our local councils and in yours, too, these deputies somehow now participate in local self-government, how do they behave and what your opinion, what should we do with them, look so historically above that zaporizhzhia oblast has had such an electorate history of support. first it was the party of regions, then we are a positional bloc , now it is the upszh a-a unfortunately, we have a majority in the regional council, let's say the winner elections by the number of mandates - this is the upsj, there are also deputies of the bloc, there is representation in the local councils of this party, but let's say that the issue of local self-government can be broken down into

two levels, if it concerns communities, then in most communities, or today, military administrations are already being introduced, local military administrations that are managed by the head of the military administration, that is, local self-government, for the time being, let's say, is removed from decision-making, including that i would protect myself from the risks of the behavior of collaborators in the number of the deputy corps of these local councils. we also have the situation of the zaporizhzhia regional council, and the regional council met for a session only once, on march 14. we adopted declaratory statements that russia is an aggressor, that zaporizhia oblast is an integral part of ukraine, and that zaporizhzhia will always be ukraine. because then there was a lot of talk about the fact that they could gather a pseudo-regional council there as and as it was in the kherson region, there were such fears, that's why we gathered more. the regional council is not going to actually function in the mode of the apparatus of the regional council and most of the powers, well, practically all

the authorized officers to date have been transferred to the zaporizhzhia regional military administration, so we are representatives of the local government, but in the apparatus there is the first deputy head of the council. yes, she was also elected by the beloved ludmila from the opposition science. and this is also such nonsense because the party is banned and these people are working, look at the following situation here . it's a pity, practice shows that the majority of honest collaborators are from these political parties , but i wouldn't say that at the level of the regional council, we have, we have some such manifestations of deputies, well, such blatant manifestations of some kind of separatism or other behavior yes, unfortunately, these political forces are represented and unfortunately, today there is no decision

of the verkhovna rada for local deputies to leave the parliamentary composition, and unfortunately, we do not have the tools to somehow exclude someone from the composition at the regional level deputies i i will explain why. because in fact only the verkhovna rada or the political party whose nominee is this or that person can make a decision. if it concerns the opposition bloc, it is actually because the party is banned and de jure no longer functions. can a-and let's say submit an application to the territorial election commission and without the procedure of the imperative mandate, i.e. dissolve all the deputies. it is a similar situation that i am drafting a mandate because the party from which i left is banned. i understand your question i understand why there are no such deputies

, this is very, very sad. i think it is very sad that the deputies do not want to bear political responsibility for the political party from which they were nominated, because uh, understanding in general about any political dignity, human dignity, of course they are such deputies should have drawn up their own mandates, especially since the regional council today is not working in the capacity it used to work in before, and such behavior would be a very symbolic gesture and a demonstrative gesture that would surely set landmarks, landmarks for other and local councils and would show society in general that deputies have political responsibility if they have a pro-ukrainian position, then they no longer want to be in the ranks of these political parties or factions, whatever they are called now, but you said that everything - after all, most of the collaborators are from these parties, and there are also such cases among the deputies, well, a vivid example is uh, well, unfortunately, your colleague yevhen balitsky, uh, the most important

collaborator who signed these uh with putin there, uh, what is the name of these what kind of documents they call themselves zaporizhzhia and this is the main collaborator, where is he now, and how many are there like balytsky? look, we still have information on him, we also have information on one of the deputies from the oboblok, who is called the named mayor of dniprorudny. this is mykola pastushenko. he is also my former colleague. yes, unfortunately, my colleague . we do not have any information about any deputies there. i will say frankly that we do not follow the fate of balytskyi. i think that this should be done by the relevant law enforcement agencies and services. security of ukraine, and that's why the situation is like this. of course , no one there from the deputy corps and the regional council as such does not maintain ties with him, and at one time, the head of the regional council made official statements regarding him and pastushenko. and we, as a

regional council, fully condemn the behavior of those deputies. well, yevhen balytskyi, from whom we just saw on the video. he went to the regional council, was he a deputy of the regional council, is he still a deputy? well, in fact, he handed over his, handed over his everything, and now in russia there he tells about the fact that and the main collaborator about the fact that russia is our everything. well, we remember the immortal regiment and everything else, but people also after that and the immortal regiment and after all, people still voted for him, his voters, and this also indicates the moods and preferences of the people who are currently in zaporizhzhia, the moods and the price . most well

there, as well as the regional council, as well as the zaporizhzhia city council of other councils, it was formed precisely by patriotic political forces, that is, the coalition at the level of the city oblast, they are patriotic and in general worked precisely in the interests of ukraine, not psg there , it should never have entered the coalition, it was not part of it and is not took part, let's say, in such a constructive work because well, this is the first position that the majority of the zaporizhia region is patriotic . however, we have today and you know such large tectonic electoral sumy the people who supported the opzj opposition bloc as a whole somehow sympathized with them during the period of the war with the beginning of full-scale aggression. well, to a greater extent, they went over to the side of, let's say, a patriotic society, well, that is, the war. here she took away the eyes of the half-tone, as they say, there is gray and white there is only black and white, there is an aggressor, there is an enemy country, and there is ukraine. and the majority of people. today, she decided that she is on

the side of ukraine, so i am there taking advantage of the opportunity. what is on the air of your channel? i want it should be noted that zaporizhzhia is the most patriotic city here, all the patriots are here and everyone is for ukraine because, uh, when these papers were signed in russia, yes, including that, we are baltic there, and i see posts on facebook from opinion leaders there, what else is there in zaporizhzhia it is already a part of russia there, that is, you know some kind of ignorance, and we are constantly there as representatives of the deputy corps there, as representatives of the region as a whole, we constantly emphasize that the zaporizhzhia region is as patriotic as possible, today it is at the forefront of the defense of ukraine, absolutely thank you these words are important to you, it must be repeated . this is the truth for us, but since we are at war with these hybrids, we have to repeat it constantly. askandoshurbekov, a deputy of the zaporozhye regional council-

skadeno above. to say now, well, we did the reform of local self-government, is it worth talking about some kind of vision now, or do we still need to restart from scratch after the victory, look at everything, i think that many of my colleagues will agree and you will agree that in fact the decentralization reform has certainly become one of the foundations, that is, one of the factors of the fact that we have stopped armed aggression, let's say we are stopping armed aggression, because the heads of communities are proactive people who, with the reform , had full powers and many of them, and they were able to organize there and drive the defense and, in general , use your resources correctly, but it didn’t work, you know, like this russian scenario, when the occupiers come to some territory, they think that if there they will capture the head of the regional council or something in kherson, they have a few deputies there, then the whole region will be theirs. they do not understand that we are already so decentralized that every

representative of local self-government feels that he is the authority on the territory and he will never go against ukraine, even if he has a regional deputy there or some other person there. higher in rank and rank will say it is very important to do this because with the reforms we were able to clean such a political class of local leaders and as for when you are not told from above and when we are from below we are organizing and forcing the center to do as the ukrainians want, and skat ashurbekov is a deputy of the zaporizhia regional council, zaporizhzhia is completely ukrainian and about ukrainian zaporizhzhia. i thank you for this conversation for your work. viktor boborenko was with us at the beginning of the conversation. my name is yana valevska. this was a program. self-governance when everything depends on you and me and in fact we influence what my vote means