decentralized that uh, every representative of local self-government feels like a power on the territory and he will never go against ukraine even if we are there, some regional deputy or some other person there, who seems to be higher in rank and rank, will say that it is very important to do this, that with the reforms we were able to raise such a political class of local leaders and as for their efforts, i am also convinced that the russians cannot understand how it is when you are told from above. and when we organize from below and force the center to do as the ukrainians want, and ashurbekov e.e. a deputy of the zaporizhia regional council is completely ukrainian zaporizhia and about ukrainian zaporizhia, i thank you for this conversation for your work viktor boborenko was with us at the beginning of the conversation, my name is yana valevska it was a program of self-government when everything depends on you and me and in fact we we influence what my vote means - it's not true, one vote means one

warrior in the field, just like serhii rudenko, he will be with us now with his program, the verdict p serhii i congratulate you on the word anya thank you literally for a few of seconds, we start the verdex program glory to ukraine, this is a verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, everyone, have a good day and good health today, january 19, is the 330th day of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian invaders . he said today at the ukrainian breakfast in davos, kuleb and reznikov are asking the west to provide tanks to ukraine and warn of a possible new offensive, meanwhile, the russian army continues to lose manpower and equipment in in ukraine, as of the morning of january 19, russia

has lost 118,530 people in ukraine in just the last day, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 760 orks, first the milk of war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,136 tanks, 6,235 armored combat vehicles, 2,122 artillery systems, that is, 442 salvo fire systems, 220 air defense systems 287 airplanes, 277 helicopters, 4,896 units of automotive equipment, 17 ships, boats, 749 cruise missiles, 1,882 drones, 190 units of special equipment, is president putin alive, lavrov does not know how to live on, says that russia may lose this war and scholz will give tanks to ukraine but after the united states

of america we will talk about this for the next hour i want to introduce our guest today - this is oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign and security policy at the center for defense strategies and thank you for joining our broadcast. good afternoon, mr. serhiy, it is very nice to be on your broadcast, so let's start today's statements, because many foreign colleagues are calling me in the morning and saying that he said this zelenskyi in davos about what he said putin is already dead, uh, but dead i immediately gave up. to be honest, these are the statements of zelenskyi, although these uh, questions about uh, whether putin is alive or dead, were rather rhetorical questions. let's take a fragment and see what he said in former president zelensky today i don't quite understand who to talk to and what to

talk about yes i do not fully understand that he is alive or that he makes the decision or who there makes the decision that it was persons i do not have such information i do not fully understand how it is possible to promise the european leaders where and the next day to start alone not invasion of the state i just don't quite understand what we 're dealing with. so president zelenskyi said that he doesn't understand who to negotiate with, what mr. oleksandr means to the world, and that the world also doesn't understand who to negotiate with in this situation. well, i don't think so president zelenskyi has clear data that

putin, who was elected 20 years ago or more than 20 years ago by the russians, that he is no longer alive, you know, i remembered not the movie, but kirkorosavy, where one of the lords, let’s say, died, and in order not to tear up his principalities neighbors on in fact, they found just a person who pretended to be this person for a certain time while they were deciding how to consolidate and, uh, fight back. well, you know, in principle, there are a lot of rumors that there are some doppelgängers out there. and what did mr. president say about chromaks, uh, it's really true we saw several times a meeting with the owners there or with the flight attendants that was recorded and it was clear that he was mounted because he is paranoid from the point of view of safety and physical from the point of view of his health there is probably a certain nuance well, but i think that most likely

in a metaphorical way, mr. president said the following thing: well, i am ready for victory, because you remember all the time. an opportunity means to somehow agree on something with the russians. and this is just a tribute to the fact that the president says that ukraine is ready to talk with russia, the truth is that the only thing that is unclear is with whom, because putin and putin and lavrov recently stated that the only condition for the start of negotiations is that ukraine recognized the situation on the ground. russian influence in ukraine, and of course this is not acceptable. on the other hand, the president

of ukraine cannot say that i will not talk to anyone about anything, because since it is, well, let’s say it is not acceptance of such conditions, because then you will be in the west. they could you say you depend on us we want as soon as possible so that the ukrainians do not suffer, well, you also know this form. at least until recently they were heard, and it is not clear who he is consulting with. because we have seen the shuffling of the military... i mean directly officially those who are responsible for armed aggression and also unofficially, first of all , the growth of the popularity and power of mr. prigozhin . factors that should also be taken into account

. showed that i don't know who to deal with well, what's more, there's nothing to talk about since they 're just now capable zelensky refuses and has refused negotiations with russia, we know that there is such a decree that implemented the decision of the national security and defense council that until the withdrawal of russian troops from the territory of the ukrainian state, there can be no peace negotiations, this is the first thesis that the russians are promoting they are talking about the fact that well, what do you want if zelensky himself does not want to negotiate, this is on the one hand, and on the other hand, they are talking about the fact that there are territorial realities, as they say, new territorial realities, and

ukraine has to accept these territorial realities the minister of foreign affairs of russia, sergei lavrov, said yesterday that there is no question of negotiations with ukraine, but what is interesting is that he said that he does not know what life will be like in russia after the war, this is a very beautiful quote. now we will see lavrov's skifiration the judgment of the tribunal well so on, and negotiations, eh, can’t be with zelensky, but at least because he was forbidden by the legislature to negotiate with the russian government, when you are, the war will end . what are the

conclusions to be drawn to europe, except that there are not enough p oleksandr additional words, i don't know how it will be possible to live in prison or something similar because lavrov in this situation is saying that we have no other way to defeat ukraine stand up for all of them, as they consider legal rights in quotation marks, but he does not know how to continue to live. it seems to me that this is absolutely a thesis, and it is this saying that says that the current leadership of russia is in a complete misunderstanding, but really a and how to continue to live how to continue to live in a world that is around or not so definitely, well, first of all, they really have no choice but to defeat ukraine, they just realized the big strategic mistake they made when they invaded ukraine on a large scale on

february 24, because if they did what they have been doing since the 14th year, they would have had more success, because the sanctions were somehow working there , they forgot about us, sometimes, some other things, we were secondary there on the world agenda, and now, in fact, we see such a unity that we really haven't seen in a long time on the european continent regarding the fact that russia at least should not win, most of us, especially our closest neighbors, say that ukraine should win, and the old europe there is hesitating between russia not to lose and it not to win, that something like that is actually one story and, accordingly, in order to somehow survive russia began to redirect and adjust their system to they have been saying for a very long time about the growth of asia that they will play some role there, but in fact they have always dreamed of dominating and being the hem of europe, and now it is simply

impossible for them. the europeans are very sensitive to threats of using nuclear weapons, that is, in principle, they have all lost europe. and by the way, it is very interesting here, literally there, when yesterday or the day before yesterday, pankisizher said our western partners have certain illusions, and he said that if russia perceives that this war is waged against russia as such, then it can rethink its certain nuances of approach . that russia is a part of european civilization and that they are more interested in being a part of the current and not the east, we know that there is a gap between the chinese and the russians much more than even the ukrainians and the russians.

completely different goals and russia cannot be a harmonious part of asia, it is simply not capable of doing it. moreover, i am not talking about the competitiveness of china, which for decades has double-digit figures for gdp growth. i am not talking about the asian tigers and others, that is, the russians are competitive. cannot be a leader and in europe she had this privileged position and now she has lost it and thank god there is a rethinking both in the political session and in the cultural and most importantly in the scientific and historical including what the world did wrong first of all the westerner looked at central-eastern europe through the eyes of russia, and it turned out that even reading dostoevsky and having volumes of dostoevsky or tolstoy on the table, they did not understand russia, and that is precisely why they are being rebuilt, and now it seems to me. slavists, and now i don’t know

what they will be called, what they will be doing, russia is changing, and that’s exactly why russia feels uncomfortable in this world, and it seems to me that it’s so cheap , minister lavrov said about it. well, i guess these people who will know or at least will guess what the russians want will be called the russian soviets or something like that, well, in the kissinjam you mentioned, he said that this seems to me to be the first time in his public speeches that ukraine has to be a part of nato, nothing else is given. we remember that in 2014, the same kissinger spoke about the fact that, well, this is not impossible. and in general. well, there is no talk of ukraine joining the north atlantic alliance . who, by the way, turns 100

years old this year, why did he suddenly change his position like that ? well, you know, i wouldn't exaggerate his words, but again, some other time they took out snuff boxes and he actually said the same thing he said a year ago, the only thing he added was this question on nato, and i'll just go through the points, first he says that it is necessary to stop at the e-e line either by force of arms or by agreement . it is definitely not profitable for us moreover, having such support and having such a public resource is aimed at not being ready for victory, and you give us so-called compromises, that is, to give up your sovereignty and part of the territory. the second moment, he actually says that american and western support should even increase to the point

where this truce will be reached, and actually after that, well, that is, if i read his words, i interpret his words as a bureaucrat, yes , that is, i know the weight of these bureaucratic formulations, that is, after the ceasefire, support must stop, this is also about something he will say yes, he says that sanctions should be on russia until the conflicts are finally resolved, we will somehow settle it there with an agreement, but he you are also a little deceitful since we understand that the text is the so-called appetite of our western partners to support sanctions, it may decrease so it is inversely proportional. let's say this is the urgency of supporting ukraine or the horrors that are happening in our country, that is, if there are no hostilities, then the desire to continue sanctions and suffer for the sake of the own population and the global economy is

in general, of course, this is a blur. next, in fact, that is, roughly speaking, what he proposes. he proposes to forget crimea - it is definitely donetsk-luhansk, most likely . of the list of claims and the start of the war against ukraine so that we do not have sufficient forces that would threaten the russian federation, he means primarily western weapons and most importantly about nat he said that there is no point in keeping ukraine neutral and that is why it has to become part of nato sometime in the future , you know from the bureaucrats when they write in the near future it means almost never and actually at this moment we know that they will never refuse us to become nato members because it will be a violation of the very essence of the washington treaty, but on the other hand , always there will be countries that will hesitate for one reason or another. we saw in 2008

how they did not give us an action plan regarding membership. and even more so because now certain countries are blocking even simple cooperation between ukraine and nato and actually that is why there will always be a possibility with different arguments that they are not ready for a military plan or there are democracies or there are some other reservations we see, by the way, now the drama is unfolding as turkey blocks the entry of finland and sweden into nato, this is absolutely well, in fact, a very unpleasant thing is happening because and he does not change his position because he knows that it is possible to block ukraine’s membership in nato for a long time and in this way actually play or pour water into the mill of the russian and not the ukrainian, that’s why i absolutely did not perceive his words as some er there that has changed radically. moreover , thank god he is not listened to in the white house. well, against the background of these statements by kissinger

, vladimir putin announced yesterday that the so -called special military operation was necessary in order to stop the war in ukraine, let 's hear from putin everything what are we doing today, including a special military operation - this is, as i have already said many times , the request to end the war is so that the meaning of our operations is to protect the people who are our people who are there in these territories these are our historical territories , as i already said, after the collapse of the soviet union, now they will not give an assessment, it’s the wrong time and place, but in any case, russia tried on these events, but eh, but not considering the fact that these are our historical territories, russian ones, but we we compared the historical with this, but nevertheless, nevertheless, we could not react to what began to happen there after the coup d'état , when they began to essentially exterminate the people who live in these territories only because they consider themselves

connected with russian culture with the russian language, well, a set of stamps, pseudo-historical excursions into the fact that this is some kind of iskon on the russian land, among other things, like lavrov, who yesterday announced that he compared russians with jews during the holocaust, there in israel they simply said that this is a delusion and an insult, and in a word, they are looked at as excuse me idiots who have nuclear weapons and threaten this world, but here is putin lavrov in the current condition and, in general, the entire leadership of the russian federation, well, it is clear that something needs to be done with them to decide, and this solution is due to the victory of ukraine over russia, if i understand it , there is no final consensus even among the representatives of the western elite that this victory must be otherwise we would have got

tanks and planes and everything else. that is, why according to your idea the people of the western world are delaying a political decision because it is a political decision to put an end to the russia that we see now and which is now threatened in this world. in general, i slept and dreamed of taking over the soviet union or modern russia, that we could develop something with it, this is absolutely not, and let's remember again the cutlet in kyiv style, the speech of mr. bush the elder before the ukrainian parliamentarians, where he urged not to choose suicides, nationalism seems to have been such a phrase, but in this way he wanted nuclear weapons and all other chemical, bacteriological and, of course, to remain under the control of moscow, with which, in principle , you can always agree

on something. the loss of russia in this war will mean, well , turbulence that can lead to the disintegration of this state again. there are a large number of nuclear, chemical, i am sure bacteriological weapons. weapons, i.e. the horror of what will happen to russia and the impossibility of imagining a world with only the maresias or whatever they will be called. he is stopping our western partners because without one they would like the regime there to change in some way so that something someone more or less moderate, and well, preferably the so-called liberals. and then it would be possible to start something again with russia from a clean sheet, but we understand. well, you know. to be honest, this war, well, for the ukrainians, it was clear for the poles there other neighbors who remember the occupation

, but for western europe, it is now a discovery that the true face or grimace of russia is the atrocities they commit and it is not some special unit that is stuck there like a nazi , well, that's all from the unit, yes. and here it is this is the practice all over the country, plus the very society that supports this and the national war, and that is definitely why, on the one hand, they understand that ukraine must be supported, that this is a war to destroy ukraine, and on the other hand, they do not have a picture of the future of russia, they are still nurturing themselves there the hope that a democratic russia is possible is definitely a myth and an illusion. well, as long as they are naked, there will definitely be no such final decision, and we are in anticipation of the rammstein decision of the next meeting of the defense ministers of western countries. a member of the anti-putin coalition and representatives of the ukrainian government, minister of foreign affairs

dmytro kuleba and defense oleksiy reznikov made a joint statement, they called on partners to provide tanks to ukraine and warned of the threat of a new offensive by the russian federation. the kremlin is determined to further intensify hostilities, an attempt to take revenge on russia for its failures in the war against ukraine, in particular, and the threat of a new full-scale offensive by russian forces is very real, and we see over the last two days in davos as representatives of western countries say that ukraine should be given tanks, former british prime minister johnson says that give ukraine tanks, let's concentrate on ukraine and not on putin, poland says that it can hand over its tanks, leopard, without waiting for germany's consent, said prime minister of poland marawiecki in an interview with the polsat tv channel, at the same time we see a statement by the same olaf scholz, who says that we leopards

can provide ukraine, but for this the united states of america must provide ukraine abrams, that is, germany does not want to take full responsibility for sending ten percent or how many leopards that are in europe were counted, and there are about 2.5 or 3000 tanks in all of europe, why does something in this situation put eh well they say such a fork as in a chess combination, well, it’s just a fork, there will be leopards when there will be abrams, eh. well, it seems. last week , there was an article in financial ultains about what umbrellas from a nuclear state well, germany is not a nuclear power, although gravity bombs are placed on its territory under the so-called extend defense, which in the event of a

conflict will be used against, well, first of all, the russian federation. to be honest, this is still a strange argument, because poland itself finland itself is the same as spain, which said before that they were ready to provide a certain number of leopards, they are not nuclear states, but they are members of nato and nato itself and will protect them if there is some, let's say, high-quality, inexplicable actions, the most important thing is that the united states already seems to have already started publicly saying a month and a half ago that they support any decision of their allies in europe to provide any weapons in order for ukraine to have the opportunity to defend itself and just yesterday uh, one of the heads of uh, the pentagon, he was on a visit here in kyiv. he said that well, we, we, we are not going to supply the abrams for the simple

reason that it is logistical . leopard ointments are the first point. the second point is that there are a sufficient number of them in various countries . first of all, germany seems to have 370, then spain is in second place, then finland, then poland, there are more than 200. and actually, that is why it can be done faster than transferring it across the ocean. another consideration . i think that the first is the personal, well, let's say the same, the vision of the vacant position and the advisors who complain. the russian language has failed even under the previous governments, he still advises. well , that was his phrase, ask me. what kind of relations will we have with russia after the war, not how quickly we provide weapons to ukraine, so

let's say so, and advisers also play a certain role, because we we see that, in fact, even in his own party, people say yes, we have to take this step, we have to show leadership to give ukraine an opportunity, and we ourselves must strengthen. but there are cautions, and i think that they are of such a biological plan and global private more than any other, on the other hand, i am sure that there is a high probability that the scholze will be pressed and tomorrow we will hear something very pleasant about the supply of tanks, because there, in addition to the polish leader, the americans and the british have joined and it is certain that they will be find good arguments in order to lift at least the ban on the supply of these leopards from third countries, because as the country that produced, produced and supplied these tanks, it must give its consent to the transfer or

sale of tanks to any third country. information just appeared from reuters with reference to american officials that today lloyd austin, the head of the pentagon, will try to pressure the new minister of defense of the federal republic of germany, boris pistorius, to give permission for the transfer of german tanks to ukraine, at the same time that schultz spoke in davos yesterday. said that the war should end, russia must lose, and in addition, he said that x is a turning point in the politics of the federal republic of germany, since germany has become absolutely regardless of russian gas, coal and oil, well, really very tectonic shifts are happening because the russian federation, led by putin, they were convinced that europe would never run away from russian gas, but we can see what this year's winter is, fortunately for us

and for our european partners and we can see how germany quite quickly and quickly there in 11 or 12 months re-adjusted to e-e export of e-e products that are supplied to and import of e-e products that are supplied from to germany, what do you think how far the germans can go into confrontation with russia, because russia also feels confrontation and they constantly blame the germans. well, of course, including the second world war, well, first of all, germany has no choice, in fact , the russian federation made its choice, and this is the so-called site and that is such a big turnabout or radical tectonic changes and they are really happening, it’s a pity that it is very slow and for this they criticize the shoal