the war will end, on what economic opportunities will it end, what will be the status of the parties after the end of the war, and what will be the security guarantees, not even for you and me, but for those investors who will want to invest money in ukraine, the meeting will depend a lot on when and on what terms it will end war, there is no answer, what to do with russia. it seems to me very important in this direction, uh, these signals that sounded from the european parliament this week, the european parliament adopted a resolution on the creation of a special tribunal on responsibility of both putin and lukashenko, and it is important that this tribunal be created so that it is implemented, but it is obvious that business will come to ukraine only after the end of the

war, because to take a risk in conditions when shelling continues every day, well, no one will, everyone sympathizes, everyone is ready to help humanitarianly , everyone is talking about that that the ukrainians must be helped to survive this terrible energy winter, a terrible winter, but they usually talk about such a perspective of investment attractiveness in this context. it seems to me that the ukrainian authorities themselves must to send clearer signals to the world, but for this you need to have a program of what is happening to the ukrainian economy, it is obvious that russia, which threatened us with nazification, actually carried out the industrialization of ukraine and today, our production is being killed, and that is why it is important to have a program for the relocation of our enterprises e.e. evacuation of key enterprises and so on these projects now in the perspective of such

short-term to seek the support of our international partners e. unfortunately i have not heard such plans e.e. and statements and specific proposals during the forum, although it seems to me that it would be important to use this platform from the positive points. i want to note the work of minister fyodorov, who had many meetings in order not only to ask for support, but also to advertise ukraine's achievements, all in the field it is really interesting developments here when the world is interested in the ukrainian system and they are ready to adopt this system in other countries . industry - this is very, very correct. and in general, what are the world elites expected from the

development of the world, do they have any hopes for the best or is it such a semi- acopoly - and the post-clitic situation? when they weren't going to, they postponed the forum for a year, then for a few more months, and this year, it seems to me that the first thing that comes is the realization that the development of the world depends on the fact that it is necessary to respond to struggle with autocracies and training comes the realization that it is a stumbling block, tyranny, it brings losses in reality and such great economic risks, the war in ukraine is considered as such today the greatest economic, social and humanitarian challenge in europe and its realization that if we do not give an answer to this challenge, then other regimes

authoritarian well, they will also move in the same direction, and of course traditionally a lot of attention was paid to things like china and the changes there, for example, there were many discussions regarding the fact that certain changes and what will be the relations now of the united states , including in the context of changes and the minister of foreign affairs, but there is an awareness that the world must respond today to the situation with russia. this is seen as a very serious threat to the economy of europe . crisis. yes, we heard that the balkans and the middle east and other regions are now afraid that the war in ukraine may grow into such a global conflict, and these fears exist and everything is said publicly. i think that very there are many answers to the question why did

n't we get tanks in rammstein from germany precisely because the fear of the inadequacy of the current russian government and the fact that the war in ukraine can grow into a global war and crisis, they exist, it's obvious. how real are such fears ? in my opinion , the politicians of the country who play on this and know that these are the fears of our partners build a policy of helping ukraine on this, but there are so many spoonfuls in time. although today it is obvious that we have very dangerous signals regarding what we are hearing from our partners that we are entering a decisive period and it reminds me very much of the parallels of the signals of our partners a year ago and of course when we realize that uh russia

will now send to the front all of its already trained, mobilized, hundreds of thousands of killers. we need more weapons, and the ukrainian delegation worked with everyone at all sites and at the key a-a form and within the framework of the ukrainian days and the ukrainian house partners and on panels and on the sidelines about the fact that weapons are needed today, weapons are needed more, they must be modern, the equipment and the number of training programs of our military must be increased so that the war does not become protracted. by the way , everyone is also very afraid of this are aware that time is playing against russia and to prolong the war is to weaken the economy not only of ukraine, but the economy of our partners has been half-destroyed.

to produce such a priority of threats that are now perceived as the most serious in the world, based on the results of this form, what three main conclusions would you have drawn? three main points can be highlighted, well , first of all, the trail really knows more about the crimes of the russian regime today. i want to say which was very correct, for example, that er, and in a few events in the ukrainian house, er , ukrainians who survived the captive occupation, the filtering of the atrocities of the russian regime, and the world is shocked, the information is very important for well, what about those threats that exist realistically and what our partners are talking about, obviously everyone is afraid of this, you know that fatigue will come from ukraine, because there is an overdose of this terrible information, the burden

of aid to ukraine , military aid to ukrainian refugees, and the leaders of other countries that depend on democracies are afraid of the mood of the voter and talk about the fact that very it is important that fatigue does not set in for ukraine, we must realize this, that is why i say that the time factor can play against russia, it is beneficial for putin to prolong this conflict so that fatigue sets in and continue to move there along the path of withdrawal some sanctions or there is a reduction in aid to ukraine. that is why it is so important for us to keep the attention of society and to keep the attention of international politicians that this is ukraine's support, the pressure on russia must continue until our victory. this is the first threat, the second threat is visible to everyone

. attack, but it also exists for european countries, for germany, too, it is such a huge threat, thirdly, everyone is afraid of the inadequacy of the russian government and that in this aggression of theirs, they can go further this our partners also feel the risk. i think that such an active position of poland is also , of course, formed by the friendly fraternal relations of our peoples, but also by its neighborhood with russia, and poland is aware of all the risks that may come from its inadequacy , everyone is afraid of what, to put it bluntly, will happen after putin that russia today is such a closed country that there is so little information about what is happening in the russian elites, but everyone understands that everything there is cleaned of any glimpses of adequacy and democracy that the world is too he is very afraid, well, obviously, everyone sees that there

are no sanctions, for example, against the wound that continues to supply russia, e.g., these drones, and maybe there really are some other contracts, it also scares me, and it seems to me that we are talking about the necessity, e. it seems to me that in ukraine and the ukrainian government, all of us it is necessary to raise even more the question of the need to monitor all these chains of the possibility of supplying russia with prohibited goods or dual-use goods in order for us to cut off all the opportunities for russia to produce new weapons. and tell me what to do with that world which today takes either an ambivalent or a frankly pro-russian position, this is the world of the global south, where there are many countries that want to cooperate with russia no matter what, well, just on the form you cited , the question was discussed that a very small percentage of countries, if we talk about the number, joined the e-e sanctions against the

russian federation, yes, the european union included sanctions on the g7 countries, but if we are talking about the countries of africa, the countries of asia, the countries of south america, yes, yes, yes, in fact, these sanctions were not included there, and this this is a very serious challenge for ukraine, for ukrainian diplomacy, for the political community, but for our partners, just at the forum in the absolute right, on many panels where the topic of ukraine sounded key, the question of necessity was raised. thirdly, so that russia could not expand its partnership, look for new sales there or any opportunities to replenish its military needs there, and

we see that there is also a pressing question regarding international organizations the complete degradation of the un, there are big problems with the organization, as well as the international red cross, which did not achieve admission to the prisoners of war or was not actively involved in the evacuation there, and all these challenges that the russian aggression raised in the context of the treaty, as far as the modern world is concerned , need a lot reform institutions and rethinking their activities in the relations between ukraine and china, we know that the president has now written a letter to the head of the people 's republic of china, as far as we can hope that they will simply start to pay attention to the ukrainian position i don't say anymore and support well, it seems to me that to begin with, an ambassador should be appointed there and he should be a professional person who is also aware of all the nuances of this difficult country, because when he has been there for several years there is no message, it is really typical, that is, they are

hungry, they have to be transferred or some such method is very good that it was transferred to them on the forum, because the contacts are important . the first lady olena zelenskyi was received extremely positively and there were very positive reviews of her speeches both on the main site of the world economic forum and within the framework of the ukrainian house, and indeed these are important such humanitarian signals that ukraine is sending today, they are important for the world in the same it's time to return to the topic of china. i think that we really need to work more actively and in this context to involve our partners in order that, first of all, china does not focus on becoming this country.

which will be a new sales market or a country that helps the russian federation and how optimistic do you have a forecast about the international prospects of ukraine, how much can we hope that this fatigue will not prevent me from continuing to receive appropriate support there my colleagues from the faction as you know, we work very actively with our international partners and within the framework of inter-parliamentary diplomacy. i'm being honest. sometimes these are very strange blockades , which, including at the level of the leadership of the parliament, are presented to me. it's a miracle for me. because, on the contrary, it seems that today all the resources of the country should be used in order for us to fight together against a common enemy , and on the contrary, it seems to me that our government likes to quote churchill, i am not sure that they read all of his e, in particular, how during the war

on churchill created this single government, where they included their opponents in order to work together against the fascist fascist regime. in fact, it seems to me that now the ukrainian government should also welcome everyone - everything is possible only examples and facts when we all work together in order to strengthen the test on the russian federation, to achieve its responsibility and to attract more support to ukraine. if we talk about my personal impressions, i want to say that the two-part support of the united states of america remains definitely important. but we must really realize that with the elections approaching factor ukraine will also play a very significant role there, and we need to use this window of opportunity now in order to maintain and strengthen this support. i

think we need to work more with by many countries of the european union, including france and austria, this is another country, and of course, if we talk about inter-parliamentary dialogue, then with the countries of africa and latin america, it is actually absent, we need to intensify efforts in these countries, it does not have such an effect on politics. i think that public opinion, but the parliamentary position affects the executive power, and that is why i see such a very wide field for our work. thank you, mrs. iryna iryna gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine, she presented, she was at the forum in davos told us about what was happening around ukraine since davos is quite an important topic

because we understand very well that the situation related to the davos forum is quite an important topic from the point of view of how the world generally perceives the russian-ukrainian war today as a principle the countries that are today the main such actors of the world economy think about the development of this world, and this is a really important situation because one way or another, after the end of hostilities, the restoration of ukraine will depend on the extent to which the world the economy will be interested in this region as much as it will feel safe and we will now talk about it with our next guest with the members of the european parliament

from the republic of lithuania address kubilisom congratulations on the correct purchase good evening good evening well, let's try to understand eh how menyaetsya let's say yes ends with relations with russia, first of all, in the european parliament, in the international community, that's what the decision was made to create such an international tribunal for the president in russia of belarus is just a declaration, or someday it will have consequences well, i think that the european union itself is working together with ukraine and it is possible to create such a tribunal because that is why questions are raised not only by the european parliament ukraine, but the government of germany before this, and the

president of the european commission on sula, flanders, everything is talking about the same thing about the direction that it is necessary to create a special tribunal for the crime of military aggression because this crime cannot be it is not investigated, or it cannot be dealt with by other international instruments, such as the existing international international court, and the crime of the so- called intelligence crime, kord, because he does not have such a mandate, as far as it is possible to talk about the sanctioning effect on russia it justifies its real expectations that

the measures taken for 10 months in a row really change russian policy well, first of all, i think that sanctions are what we call economic sanctions are a policy that accommodates russia's military potential, russia's economic military potential, now such instruments have been introduced as a ceiling on oil and gas prices, on russian oil, on russian gas, and it is very clear that they are beginning to decrease. eh, the financial bonus that russia received before that, and well, it will be seen that this will also reduce russia’s potential to continue the war with russia from the other side, such legal or political sanctions as eh

, well, what can be called a distributed tribunal? i think that they will to have a long-term long -term effect on both russia and the institutions and the capital , because i have some kind of business with the leader , with president putin, who is all the charges will be brought. i think that this will help the west to understand that they are returning to some kind of business. the story with putin will no longer be possible. lithuanian history was preparing a new big military package with the help of ukraine. how much, in principle, vot sejách svettővőtővőtő

for such armies as the lithuanian as well as the armies of the other baltic countries can help ukraine. it seems to me that this is an exhausting resource of the armies of the countries of the european union or nato countries, but on the other hand, i think that eh, eh, and this is certainly military. i know better here it is necessary to ensure that the military industry of the western countries is able to prepare new military instruments and new military packages so that ukraine would have the opportunity to damage the this war is definitely necessary here so that the west also understands very well that

ukraine can win the war when the west is able to provide such a quantity and quality of movements that are necessary for such a victory. how do you think in principle what is happening now in the european union in nato is around these supplies of weapons because of the brazenness that, uh, really loomed between poland and germany, for example, between parts of european strange berlin, as far as in principle it is possible to talk about what is common the understanding of the task of the war, which has been since the beginning of the last year , that it gradually turns into a conflict. well, it is difficult to say something clearly because it is meaningful to understand the argument of berlin, why are they

? was supplied to all of ukraine, eh, such weapons as eh, german-made leopard tanks , eh, it becomes difficult to understand myself. ukrainian victory in this a war against russia can be brought to russia itself, and it is possible that some of the capitals of the west are simply afraid that such a victory may lead to the complete collapse of russia to some very negative consequences of the coming to power of some beautiful or similar things

this can lead to the complete disintegration of russia and the loss of control over nuclear weapons. and therefore, under such conditions in some capitals, the question may arise as to whether such a complete victory of ukraine over russia is necessary if it can lead to i think that we should make more efforts to convince this capital that the ukrainian victory over russia can lead to more positive consequences. that this can lead to changes in russia. positive in the direction of eh that such a victory can lead to the fact that

russia eh in russia there will be such variables that will lead russia to eh more such european development gradually we will return to more democratic development and that is why this ukrainian victory is needed as soon as possible so that the danger that authoritarian russia still represents today would eventually remain in the past, but let us not think that in principle the west is incidentally in ukraine it is visible that they constantly fall into the trap of all these famous of the russian fsb special operations where there is a moderate putin and now the fascists prigozhin strelkov are coming, but tomorrow they will take power, it is necessary to be careful with the russian leadership of the real fascism is coming and this is not yet real fascism, because you and i have heard it for how many years . 15 i think we need to calculate at what moment it all started to

say something else, the friends did not start when the generals of the chechen war also appeared and scared them. they will come to power . chechnya because otherwise the result will be catastrophic general lebed general rokhlin general shamanov by the way, it still exists there as such a character of all these shows, now prigozhin has been added tomorrow, think of someone else, this is such a country of inflatable hitlers while the real hitler sits calmly in the kremlin and does whatever he wants . this scares me, why is there no sober assessment of this situation? well, here you can definitely discuss it for a long time, i think that this is a topic. of course, it is very important. to discuss and it is necessary for the west to finally have a clear strategy and then what consequences does the west want so that

victory in ukraine would bring ukraine to russia in the same way as it was done in russian germany in the west uh, even more full victory appeared a calculated strategy how uh the request will be what the request will do popredyonnoe germany were very wide discussions different strategies first the morgental strategy what uh already after after germany needs to be left without the economy leave only how uh- agrarian country, then a completely different approach appeared, the so-called marshall plan, but he always had a clear, always clear strategy that he wants to achieve after the victory.

russia about what the request wants to achieve, here is the reason for the indeterminacy in russia, which will play a war not against ukraine. i myself really think that they are afraid of some bad plans that ukraine will defeat russia, there is no reason, although, of course, historically, you very well reminded a number of such examples. i can even recall an example of gorbachev 's times already i don't know how it is in russian

they call the famous speech of bush the elder in kiev chicken kiev yes so where did he try to convince that it is... in august 1991, after i covered the visit of the elder to moscow and a member of the american delegation showed me these sites, well, if there will be a sensational speech, you will be able to write it. when it will be delivered, but look at president bush that's what they will say, and i said with grounding, how will this look like from ukraine, ot