i call him this. but exactly, but the famous speech, the former senior in kiev, chiken, kiev, yes , yes, where did he ask to convince that it is... the soviet union was left with a hump from the year 91. i remember it well as a business because i covered the visit of the elder to moscow and a member of the american delegation showed me the thesis of the sites of the speech. well, if there is a sensational speech, you can write it. when it will be delivered. but look at president bush that's what they will say and i said with grounding, how will it look like from ukraine and it will become

an independent state, what will social things be then? well, that is, i didn't think that it would become independent in a few weeks, as you understand. but lithuania was already independent. it was not something fantasy and they looked at me, of course, as a city madman, i was very upset because, you know, the people who showed me this speech, these were american state ideas, everyone thought that they understood the situation in a million times better than when i was a student, i was very upset. now i will say to these rights of mood, well, in some way, this is naivety in the west, that the best thing is that they will preserve the situation that we already know. today, we are connected to putin, what are we, what can we create something new, what can be there, it scares us, this is the

naivety of the west. uh, what? should do the west in these conditions so that, after russia loses the war to ukraine, there would be an opportunity for such a transformation in russia, which led russia to such a normal development trajectory. i'm not talking about democracy it may take some time to create the conditions for such a russia that was not very well - intentioned against its neighbors. uh, russia is in a complete stupor, and what uh, for russia, it is necessary to choose a different direction in your development, to create

conditions uh, in russia for a normal life, and where and how the west could come with some help in order to this is the kind of russia she would have appeared and created. well, for now, there are no such ambitions in the west, and that is why it is very easy for putin himself and his followers to frighten the west. you know, a complete victory of ukraine can lead to something very similar already . negative consequences, so you imagine economic help of ukraine, you were the initiators of this famous marshall plan, which was discussed even before the war, but now i do not understand at all what size mr. marvel should be the marshall plan in order to help ukraine restore everything that russia is destroying and will still destroy . this is the final restoration

of ukraine. how much, how much will it cost ? it's probably quite difficult to tell. russia must first pay, and for this it is necessary to prepare so that the money that is frozen today is more than 400 billion in kalash, including 300 billion in the central bank reserve, so that these money are not only frozen, but so that they are - they were given to ukraine for recovery, it will be necessary to think of some possibilities before this recovery is financed, at least so that it would

be possible to quickly use this money with other means of european money with donor money eh and eh but i know that the international community is working on these plans but so far the discussed plans are working how is this big project, big money, who will be in charge of it, the international community, ukraine, the european union, and the like, these issues need to be resolved as quickly as possible from the other side, of course, it is necessary, it is necessary to discuss very clearly today what projects these money will be used for how

not only to restore the ukrainian economy, but how to modernize it and raise it to such a level that it would correspond to all the most modern standards of the economy and development so that this restoration was aimed at what can be called green goals , and besides, this recovery should, and should, help, and help the european integration of the ukrainian economy, this is again very important , we also need to work on it, and it would be very important that even this year uh, european the union would make a decision to start real negotiations with ukraine and the accession to the european union, and we are also

trying to work on this . the pre-existence of the entire western democratic world, that the restoration of ukraine, after the victory of ukraine, will be the most important concern of everything, this is the west of the entire electric world, they may turn out so that it will be considered that ukraine can be such a poor relative, you know. well, help her survive will win and now let them somehow survive, but uh, you know here. i don't think that anyone would uh, uh, like it, because the world also understands that for that, you need the world , even europe, uh

stability is needed on the european continent and it is necessary to achieve democracy and the normal development of different countries on the european continent, not only ukraine, but also belarus itself in the future, and i hope that this would become the norm in russia as well development to become the norm because such development guarantees that it is a democratic basis of all such countries, they will be established more and more deeply, and democracy, the beginning of democracy on the entire european continent , is a condition for wars not to arise on the european continent , because democracy does not fight among itself, so the plan here is very pragmatic and clear and what, er, in order for

peace to be restored on the european continent , it is necessary that all countries, er, on the european continent, starting with ukraine, er, they could become successful states, and that means so that their economy would be able to have the opportunity and develop in such a way that people , er, ukrainians living in ukraine would have er, would not have such big problems and why would they become some kind of radicals there again so that they would not become dissatisfied with democracy, so think about it for a day and the marshall's plans in relation to simple

germany . the reason was not only the desire to restore the economy of western europe, but the strategy was very clear, very clear that only the development of the economy from these countries can preserve democracy in these countries and will not allow some radical forces, first of all, the communists under under the leadership of stalin, he expands his influence on western europe. so, europe has good lessons that should be taken into account . and therefore, i do not think that it would be useful for anyone to have ukraine remain some kind of responsible relative. if you you are talking about the success of all european countries, what has already been done with belarus, yes, it is with yours, in general

. what is the biggest influence on her, uh, that would uh, uh , it would have uh, ukrainy's victory against russia, this is the victory. lead to belarus, eh, and something what we saw in the 20th year is that it shows that the belarusian society has a very great desire to live in a normal demonic country, that it will pay off in life and it can happen much faster compared to let's say with some changes

in russia. and when such changes after the ukrainian victory will take place in belarus, and let's say democracy will appear somewhere on the border with smolensk. i think that this will have a very big influence on further development in russia itself so that's it i don't see any possibilities for the spread of democracy, which is happening all over the soviet space, and where ukraine really shows a very strong example of defending itself, so i don't see any reason why this is the development of democracy in the western outskirts of the soviet union in the soviet space . - э проходящие дальше to the east, so that it stops here in

belarus too. i think it will follow the example of ukraine, that is, after the restoration of э э democracy of belarus, it will try to it is possible to integrate faster eh with the european union in belarus there is good potential for being a successful state and i eh i think that this is the way all development will take place thank you for this conversation address the member of the european parliament from the republic of lithuania was with us for the call, we sincerely thank him, now we have a few minutes left to answer your questions, the cabinet of ministers of the netherlands will consider the possibility of supplying ukraine with f-16 fighter jets. what will the ukrainian government ask for, what signals are still missing

well, the netherlands obviously lacks an official ukrainian request. i think they would like to have it processed in some way. it is difficult for me to answer this question. it is absolutely obvious that any country supplies weapons to ukraine. if there is an official request, we may be at some level of lack of communication, but i would not like to think so, the former secretary of state of the united states, henry kissinger, speaking in davos, said that ukrainian membership would be the correct conclusion, although he recently advocated the neutrality of the country, or is it a certain signal that the official us position regarding ukraine's accession to nato has changed. can you comment, first of all, on the official us position regarding ukraine 's accession to nato? american president joseph

byte said that russia's occupation of crimea and donbass will not prevent ukraine from joining nato, because ukraine simply has to comply in order to join nato to the copenhagen criteria, this determined to a certain extent the russian decision to start a so-called special operation, they tried to occupy ukraine why because it was formed for many decades , the russian leadership believed, and it did not even begin under putin, it was heard under yeltsin, and even under gorbachev, what if we transform the former soviet the republic, then a sovereign state for the country of the disabled person, if you occupy part of its territory , then in principle it is a question of european and, in any case, euro-atlantic integration will be closed will be closed for the simple reason that such a state will have territorial claims to another state before becoming a member of the european union and a member of nato, as a

rule, it would be necessary to do everything possible so that you do not have any territorial conflicts with the neighboring countries of hell, when romania joined all of these structures submitted to arbitration regarding how to demarcate the maritime border with ukraine in the area of ​​the snake island and then implemented the decision of this arbitration, although bucharest did not like it very much because it was absolutely obvious that if there were any territorial conflicts in romania, ukraine, well, knowing that nobody was going to accept ukraine at that time, not in nato and not in the european union, it does not have the right to go there, this could lead to serious problems for the further functioning of both unions cyprus when was joining the european union, the cypriots undertook to hold a referendum on the unification of the turkish cypriots from the northern part of cyprus and fulfilled this obligation only with such

a small correction that at the time of the after the referendum in cyprus, the government changed and the new president of greek cypriot cyprus, which is considered a legitimate state, voted against the reunification of both parts of the island as a result and called on their compatriots to do the same. as a result, the greek part of the island, which was supposed to vote for the union voted against, and the turkish part of the island, which should have voted against the union , voted for it, and thus it can be said that you are a union, but nothing happened from this at the moment, the turkish part of cyprus is drifting towards greater sovereignty. a historical chance was missed. this became a serious lesson for the european union. i would say it was a shocking year, but still,

cyprus. in the future, it will be possible to find some model of the unification of cyprus, but it is clear that after this history, even greater in the west, they have strengthened their opinion that in order for some country to join both unions it is necessary that she did not have theatrical territorial claims and there is still no clear answer to the question of what may happen to the european integration and euro-atlantic fate of ukraine if the issue of the occupation of the territory is not resolved, but president biden said otherwise, he said that it would not interfere and in principle at this moment this the famous formula of a state with disabilities that goes nowhere, cannot join and just waits quietly until russia joins, it turned out to be destroyed and, in principle, until now, no one can answer the question of how much they were serious about these words of the president of the

united states, henry kissinger, is associated with a completely different political camp , president biden is a democrat, president kissinger is a republican, and he was the secretary of state under the president's national security factor. by and large, he does not even present his point of view. and the point of view of these influential conservative circles in american politics does not belong to the church, and even trump belongs to these circles, these are the people we already mentioned in the conversation with prime minister kubilis, this is george bush, the former president of the united states, now he is a living log, jr. when it was george bush, sr., ronald draga mccain, senator luga, these are the people

kissiju explained his change of position absolutely logically, he advocated the neutral status of ukraine because he was afraid that the very announcement of ukraine's admission to nato would lead to a war in europe, which was quite unlikely in this war to be prevented by negotiating with russia about such the status of ukraine, which will prevent the war , now the war has already started, it continues without end, and it is absolutely incomprehensible why in such a situation it is necessary to oppose ukraine's accession to nato when the worst that was expected has already happened and the worst that is expected is absolutely ahead it is obvious that this is logical. this is not a change in the position of kissinger, it is a change in the position of russia. i always explain that the threat of war is one of the important tools of the policy of an authoritarian state, it threatens war. and if you do not do so we will fight, and that is why they are talking to this country and consulting. do you remember

how much time president biden spent in consultations with putin? how did the american officials and the director of the cia arrive ? they talked and talked, but when the war starts, there is nothing to threaten . it is possible to threaten with nuclear weapons, of course, but then there is nothing else to threaten . to fight she says that she is leaving the political plane well, in that situation we can not say that the position of henry kissinger has changed henry kissinger has always followed this logic, we can say that you have changed the position of vladimir putin who, instead of threatening the west, began to carry out his threats, the war carried out forecast of threats and

energy blackmail well, stop sending gas to the west, the west tried all the time to negotiate with him so that, god forbid, gas supplies would not be interrupted and that all this would not increase in price interrupted interrupted what else to threaten if interrupted well that's why i say that this is idiocy from a political point of view. congratulations, dear gentlemen, ukrainians are constantly every day under the risk of falling under new missile attacks. defense it seems to me that the international community, which is absolutely determined to provide ukraine with weapons for defense, simply needs to realize that one hundred percent closing of the sky does not happen and that even if ukraine will liberate its entire territory, but will not

agree on peace with russia, and this will be 80% more likely, ukrainian territory will be under constant missile fire and after the end of this war, you just have to learn to live in it, as israel lives, missile fire, aerial alarm, loss of life this is all news for the future years, even if the war ends with a ukrainian victory, russia will never accept this victory and will do everything possible to destroy the citizens of this hated country so that do not give them the opportunity to live in order to destroy critical infrastructure, all this will last as long as vladimir putin is in the hands of the president of the russian federation , there will be no peace here, even in the case of a military victory, i repeat, you just need to learn to accept it, realize that this is how life is now it will not be like this what was it like on february 24, it is possible that our contemporaries with you simply will not be, but it simply will not be and by the way, it is not known what will happen further with other countries, but it is absolutely obvious that no one

doubts the need to supply ukrainization of air defense seems to me to be a complete consensus , there is no consensus, and i believe that this is absolutely wrong in the supply of offensive weapons, but i am absolutely sure that there is no need to be afraid of this. that everything should be done to give ukraine a chance to liberate its entire territory from the russian invaders , and then to solve the problem of ensuring the safety of ukrainians after ukraine will be in the international exit borders there may be options for accepting oil well, you can take a risk, why not create some guarantees of relations between the military of ukraine and the united states, especially to prevent a new attack by russia under the condition of using the army on ukrainian territory to ensure the security of ukrainian borders

, another option, a third option. well, accept the fact that missile attacks will be constant. i do not see any big problems, well, israel has been living like this for ten years, we are under rocket fire. there is nothing special here, but in ukraine, obviously, such a fate has befallen , it is historical, it is connected with the decade delay in joining european and euro-atlantic structures. this is the choice of ukrainian society, and it is possible that this choice will have to be paid for by the same decades of missile attacks. well, what are you going to do, this is life, life should not be perceived as you want to see it, it is unpleasant, dangerous, of course it will change the situation in distribution of the population, less people will live in areas where these ordinary russian rockets fly from a short

distance, that is, our border regions with russia, of course there will be fewer people and there will be fewer people on the western borders, more and more large cities that will be able to be protected by what kind of anti-aircraft shield, there will be more people in the center and in the west, there will be more people than in the east and south because it will be further from the borders of russia, further from these old missiles, well, high-precision missiles will be able to reach the entire ukrainian territory, but there are not so many of them. as you can see, this is not a story about the war. i'm just explaining to you. this is a story about life after the war. it will be such a post-war time. just imagine but this is a very important issue that needs to be resolved, it is necessary to create in

ukraine with various efforts its own iron dome and its own defense system, that is, in the ten points of the green moderate plan of zelensky and the point of non-escalation, which is about the kyiv security compact project, why instead what is the attack? do we offer some other security system? is there no point at all? why is there no point at all? access to nato. well, it seems to me that it doesn’t matter at all. seriously, what is written there, what is not there? written, you understand, any peace plan makes sense when you discuss with the side that attacked you and not with the side that helps you defend yourself. the peace plan is a peace agreement between the warring parties. and if you negotiate with those countries that want

you won, this is not the right to peace, but a peaceful program, and of course then there could be a point of stepping into nato. of course, i absolutely agree . i think it will not be gathered because it weighs exclusively on our capital. that is why it is necessary to treat as diplomacy the fact that president zelensky is simply demonstrating ukraine's inclination to work out a peaceful solution to the problem so that no one tells him that we just want to fight, this strengthens our position as a country that strives for peace, although he defends himself with the help of his force, he liberates his territories, but the content of all this is a completely different story, and it has nothing to do with real politics. i sincerely thank you, friends, for being on this broadcast we'll be back soon for new meetings, i want to wish you all another january evening yes,

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