tv [untitled] January 21, 2023 6:30pm-7:01pm EET
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it is also difficult to keep them full-fledged, i quote, the enemy is trying first of all to raise a wave of fire along the entire line of contact, and in certain areas of the front, small groups are trying to carry out not reconnaissance but shock-assault attacks in order to check our defense on the spot, but according to the available information, all attempts at offensive actions have now ended to no avail, all the groups were found and partially neutralized, the rest resorted to fleeing for certain colonel erin also told that the enemy is changing logistical shoulders trying to avoid damage from ukrainian artillery, so the occupiers are creating new places to store ammunition, but without large warehouses they often maneuver, i quote the spokesman of the tauriy
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direction , our intelligence is working. three large ammunition depots and immediately the enemy fire wave decreased, we also observe certain rotations not only in the zaporozhye direction but also in to kherson, the head of the press center emphasized extremely important news, well, we inform you about the most important thing, now we are adding olena shcherba to our marathon as a lawyer, a member of the management of the center against corruption glory to ukraine p olena i congratulate you as a hero glory good evening, a difficult story about the kobolev case, in particular, it is about his extremely large and powerful fee and premium, the situation is not easy, on the one hand, kobolev showed himself as an extremely successful and goal-oriented manager of one of the strategic and rich state corporations, on the other hand,
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it turned out that the premiums were also exorbitant. well, accordingly, they opened a criminal case, mrs. elena, how does it look, so to speak, from the procedural side, ah, well, actually , mr. kobolev is known as an effective manager, and today on this image of a person who built and to some extent personifies the reform of corporate governance, and actually, in my opinion, he tried to pay himself a bonus that does not meet the requirements of current legislation, namely specialized the anti-corruption prosecutor's office and the national anti-corruption bureau incriminate him that he actually received a bonus of 10 million dollars in violation of the norms of the current legislation. first of all, it is said that he, being the
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chairman of the board of naftogaz ukraine , pushed the decision through the supervisory board and agreed to pay such a bonus because russian gazprom actually won the stockholm arbitration for once and actually received huge sums of money . at first, it was a decision only in in paper form and in the future those funds were already paid yes, but after this victory actually mr. koboliv took a number of actions aimed at receiving this award, what exactly is the problem, the problem is that there is a resolution of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine that limits the amount of payments the amount of the award that can to receive managers of such enterprises , which include naftogaz ukraine,
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etc. ministers, they say that he had the right to receive a bonus, which is equal to his annual official salary. and i will just remind you that the monthly official salary of mr. kobolev was one million hryvnias, which he had the right to receive according to regulatory documents every month the same amount of the award, in fact, also a million hryvnias more awards, and in fact, each of his quarters was also able to receive three awards, that is, the entire award, which is provided for by the law, he received, but when the victory took place in arbitration. he decided that he should receive how much is his merit, including that he
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should also receive a bonus in the amount of one percent of the amount that ukraine received as a result of this victory, and he also charged himself a bonus in the amount of 10 million dollars, precisely because this does not meet the requirements of the current legislation, there are certain restrictions, yes, the logic of these restrictions is that every manager of a state enterprise, not only a state joint-stock company, without such restrictions could accrue absolutely unlimited premiums, therefore the state regulates these issues, and without actually making changes to this resolution of the cabinet of ministers, he had no right to do so, accordingly, you also mentioned an extremely interesting point, in particular, about the influence, so to speak, on the supervisory board, which should, in theory, be protected from such things and if we talk, for example , about some additional cases, in this case
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we are talking in particular about the investigation, so the nabu and sap reported the suspicion both off the top of the head and yes, and on the other hand, they postponed the election of a preventive measure and so on. if to talk about the progress of the judicial investigation, how can it be a-a in fact, i think that the issue of a preventive measure will be resolved already on monday, because the preventive measure is being considered by the anti-corruption court, as of today, thursday was the time to start the proceedings, and the prosecutor in the case spoke, presented the arguments, and in including that it became clear that the prosecutor's office is asking to apply a preventive measure to p. kobolev in the form of taking him into custody and with a bail actually in the amount of the sum of which he is not accused of embezzlement, so why is it so strict preventive measure is requested by the prosecutor's office, the
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prosecutor justified this by the fact that while still in the position of the chairman of the board of naftogaz, mr. kobolev took certain measures to hide from the investigative bodies and the prosecutor's office materials, documents related to bonus payments, specific decisions, and these documents were even exported abroad and were not provided , that is, he did not actually contribute to the investigation, er, there were questions with certain witnesses who also refused to testify, and i have reasons to believe that this happened under pressure, er, that is exactly why and it is happening, of course, it is possible because mr. kobelya has now arrived in ukraine and received this suspicion. by the way, a very interesting fact. you showed his post on facebook. he writes that he understood that there would be such a suspicion against this background, of course there are questions about how he became aware of this. that's why it will become
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clear already on monday, i hope how long will the review of the preventive measure continue in court on monday, i hope that it will be considered, the court will already hear the arguments of the lawyers and kobolev himself and will be able to make an appropriate decision, which decision in the course during the consideration of a preventive measure, the court will determine whether there is suspicion on the part of the prosecutor's office, and will actually determine whether a preventive measure in the form of detention and bail can be applied. of course, the court can determine other preventive measures, for example, starting there with a personal commitment and ending with bail but i understand that we are talking about not small funds, well , certain stricter precautionary measures may be defined in this case, well, the funds are not small, we understand that the most interesting stories about life of our valiant naftogaz are not reduced only to mr. kobolev's award, there are a lot
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of extremely interesting and difficult cases that they try not to talk about, in particular , it is about the so-called controversial gases, that is, it is about this or that number of i don't know cubic meters of gas that are due to one or another things were withdrawn, so to speak, and the companies could not return, for example, this or that volume of gas, even though the documents were there. do you think such additional cases will appear now? i am sure that we will in fact, we have been observing for the last six months after the appointment of a new head of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office that not a single case is being investigated, including the cases related to naftogaz, er, they are all being investigated , they have gained such active momentum, and i am convinced that all such facts will be
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evaluated ms. elena what do you think access to important materials that are in the oil and gas, that is, there will not be any, i don’t know , obstacles, or will these or other important documents disappear, well, we understand. yes, when it comes to millions of cubic meters of something interested parties or persons interested in the fact that certain documents may not be available or there is no access to them immediately appear. this story is also extremely serious, and it is not for nothing that you mentioned nabu and sap. that is, these are the bodies on which, well, there is no great hope only the ukrainian people, but also our, in particular, and western partners of the european union, the united states of america, on the other hand, we understand that well, they are also not rubber and do not have time to implement and investigate everything, but, so to speak, they approached naftogaz well, accordingly, they might begin to
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untangle additional, so to speak , suppressed cases, although they are no less resonant, but in fact, as far as i know and understand, nabu himself is really actively working on all cases, of course, the obstacles are hidden documents, these are stories that happen not in every investigation, but we see that the law enforcement officers have methods and ways to record and document this, including such stories. and when this happens, it affects the future investigation and that in fact, we see according to kobolev's plan that when documents are hidden, when there is such serious resistance to the investigation, then, accordingly, it is further and spills out in such a story when
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it comes to a very serious preventive measure. well, the question of his bonuses was discussed in society for a long time and he actually returned it to the accounts of naftogaz, then well, we would not be talking about such serious measures, so eh, understanding that when it comes to such serious matters, eh and when such persons are brought to justice, well, what kind of lawyer would i advise my clients to go to a meeting and actually contribute to the investigation because, well, as a result , you can get very unpleasant consequences , undoubtedly the consequences are extremely unpleasant, will this case concern only mr. kobolev or, for example, representatives of one or another of the supervisory board, i unfortunately do not know whether a transcript was kept, so to speak, of the meeting at which they adopted the idea, so to speak, of rewarding mr. kobolev in such, well, at such a level, respectively some votes votes against well, there is a provision
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on supervisory boards, so to speak. well, there should be responsibility, possibly on the part of representatives of supervisory boards, for something, but in fact, if we talk specifically about this case, then we are talking about what mr. kobolev just introduced he misled the supervisory board, in particular , he did not inform that the amount of the bonus that he had already received according to the legislation and actually did not have the right to receive such additional excessive payments, again, uh, i think that we can provide more details to hear at the court session on monday, but here it is more about the fact that the supervisory board was misled by mrs. elena well, finally, i would like to clarify with you, we understand that kobolev is not the only one, so to speak, not only by his example, but those or other people who they are also trying to get exorbitant bonuses
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, despite their rather modest salaries, in particular , we are talking about representatives of various, so to speak, departments and state corporations, this will apply to the case of kobolev only to this case. will it be possible to review, so to speak, under with a microscope, other supervisory boards of and other enterprises, the heads of which, for example, could , so to speak, also receive some sky-high bonuses just for this, well, society due to the experience of the information storm in which we live, society simply did not have time to react. in fact, uh, i am sure that things of excessive premiums in other enterprises, they are in the anti-corruption bodies, moreover, i will say that there are even sentences against certain managers of various types of enterprises, it’s just that they are less well-known, less serious state-owned enterprises, but there are already
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the verdicts where, in court, the managers of such enterprises were actually punished for excessively and illegally paying bonuses to themselves by their own decisions, therefore, it is really, unfortunately, very unfortunately, such a phenomenon that takes place in our country and well, it is good that we see prosecution for such examples, there is no fear that, so to speak, these or other unscrupulous managers of enterprises will look at our broadcast now with you and start hiding the ends of the water, burning documents. affairs well, maybe not at such a high astronomical level of sums, but well, it could be anything in fact, but you have to understand that it is very difficult to completely destroy such traces because there are bank transactions, well, which always remain, leave behind traces, about which
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there is information in the banks, so if er, often enterprises have treasury accounts where everything is also recorded, that is, in such cases, financial transactions can be destroyed, of course , many things, but traces still remain , and there are methods and conditions for actually recording it and after all, to expose the violation, thank you very much ms. olena for this extremely interesting and meaningful conversation olena shcherba, a lawyer, a member of the board of the anti-corruption center , worked live on the espresso tv channel, we are moving on, we inform about the most important things, we are now adding hryhoriy tamar , a military historian, captain, to our informational analytical broadcast of the israel defense forces, retired hello, uh, now a second, i congratulate you hello , dear mr. grigory, i am glad to welcome you to the air of the espresso tv channel
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i will ask you about the prospects of more test cooperation between our ministry of defense of ukraine, our general staff and the relevant structures of the state of israel. we understand that ukraine's interest in israeli modern technologies is high. realization of what we would like to do, please, damn the perimeter, well, first of all, i want to note that i, in this connection, express exclusively my own my personal private point of view, since i am not a special person and have been retired as a military man for many years , so i want to emphasize
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that this is not the position of any official israeli state television military structures, this is important. i believe that this military conflict is a war that , unfortunately, has settled down almost a year, nazar was in the heart of europe and probably already today, it took hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides of the front. prospects for cooperation of all eh so to speak of people of good will eh i think that prospects for cooperation between our countries i will introduce israel and ukraine they are completely underestimated until today and have not been realized and perhaps it was in quotes about a good life eh no one the existence of the state itself, so to speak, did not threaten anyone there, so to speak, the very civilization of the state itself,
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and the military conflicts that we and you had, they were, so to speak, annoying, but they were not a matter of the survival of the state however, both our state and your state are now, in my view, in a phase when it is facing threats to its very existence, and i think that the unification would strengthen it, or it would allow the state to withstand this very difficult struggle. could be implemented in the case of placing joint ventures on the territory of third parties, for example, poland, a state that is very friendly to you, which provides its territory as some kind of base for your
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supply of equipment, an enterprise for the production of weapons could be opened there, for example, a ukrainian-polish-israeli enterprise . and in your country there are very interesting talented engineers. and some of them can still be from the old soviet era, and some of the young guys who studied in the west have returned to ukraine, i know personally so their people and it would be possible to integrate them into a joint venture that you need to establish your own production of weapons with the most diverse nomenclature and the more the better, you should have done this not now but 10 months ago, think about it in the first place but better late than never now it is quite possible that the moment has come when we need to get busy, no matter how the omen disagrees and
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we understand how dynamic and how dangerous the dynamism is, the current situation in the world, in particular, it is about what we we see the strengthening of the so-called axis of evil , we are talking about military cooperation between the russian federation and a very nice fluffy country like iran, in particular, we were talking about the ballistic program, and we understand that iran's ballistic program will not only hit ukraine, so to speak , so to speak of the russian transit, we understand that in fact, for iran, there is a main enemy , a demonized enemy, this is at their level, with a catological mindset, we are talking about the fact that the second goal for them will be israel. i agree with every word you say, and i will tell you the truth if you are serious
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about the fact that your economy has been completely reconciled with the new reality, almost an hour ago, but let's see what has been done up to today . of the conflict, permanent consultations began between your officers and our officers on the territory of the countries, today it is no longer a secret, it is already being talked about, cooperation with the intelligence sector has begun, israel has provided you repeatedly it is very important to clarify the information. i understand that we understand that your alba is fair and your business is right. but you also understand that now we have a common enemy. the destruction on the territory of syria of iranian factories for the production of drones that were intended for delivery against your country, that is, we have
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something to be proud of for these 11 months. little could be done a little more not because one party wants to help the other there for free because this cooperation must be such that the party’s office likes blood on it, the interested party must be a mutual friend and it can be a mutual drink because we allow the same factories left now in front of the technical depth, but we are left with a strategic depth if you are now in poland ready to provide territory for this and it can be a production from three participants israel ukraine-poland so i i think that it is necessary to bless such a project, in fact, it is a very important story, in principle, it would be a historical precedent. yes , because poland also demonstrates incredible courage, much greater
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courage than germany. what should i bet on in the first place, in particular, when talking about the use of these or other joint ukrainian -israeli polish projects or ukrainian -israeli projects, well, first of all, look at there are jobs in mechanics in heavy engineering and in steel construction in all these areas, we have jobs in the field of eh high technologies. the connection of our electronics and your mechanics is by itself a necessity. i think you don’t need to be an engineer for that. this is the surface if we are talking about production. and now let's think about the fact that today our country has a unique shooting of barbs
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with terror in front of the work of the special services. i haven’t had it since 1983, so it’s possible to exchange experience here, too. now you have an acute problem. you have a shortage of junior officers. on the table eh cards of the person does not choose the first thing that comes to mind political cooperation, mutual support, political glory to you, lord , finally, our countries, er, so say, er, cooperate more closely at the
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voted level. now, in fact, your state has found itself in such a position that we have developed our entire history for almost 80 years, that we are facing a deadly enemy. and you are now in such a situation yes, this should make our mutual understanding more complete. we need god himself to change us, to start understanding each other much better than it was until today. yes, i agree with you. this is a very important aspect . that prevent the establishment of the most close cooperation yes, we understand that on the one hand, the influence of the russian federation is very strong, as it was once the soviet union in the middle east, and we understand how the soviet union used its arab and we understand that if it were not for the
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support and incitement of the soviet union, perhaps some arab countries would behave much more modestly, in any case, they would not dare to launch a soviet aviation war against israel with the help of soviet armored weapons. and it is possible that there is such a plan of fear of the same thing, the mistress is not there. yahu, the master is java , a very easy-going person in foreign policy, including one of the most experienced politicians . i personally do not feel that i am a supporter of the israelis, but i owe it to his great political experience and, so to speak, to the vision of the complex vision of our
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diapolitical problems. as a result, they look at the negotiation process effectively, when such a process begins, it will start sooner or later, because any military conflict ends with the negotiation process between the parties to the conflict on the territory of ukraine, but of course, i understand that you see a similar development of the event only after you win a military victory over the aggressor, and i absolutely support your position in this regard. i, gregory, would like to ask you about the israeli air defense systems that could be integrated into our system. anti-aircraft defense, forgive air defense and, accordingly, how and you are the prospects of political agreement from the state of israel . now in ukraine, provide exclusive technology without you locally, as far
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as i know, it was developed over the course of 20 years in israel. the system is a smart rear warning system . about the impending threat, it is so that your residents do not go to the bomb shelter in your regions, but directly to that quarter where there should be a missile or air attack, people understood that we had to go down, because we are already everything, i think that you understand, yes, the search is paralyzed, or there is one square kilometer, yes, you have been going to this for 20 years, and we are now providing you with it free of charge because it helps to preserve the life of a peaceful citizen and i am happy that my government commits this act. as for the spider system, let's not forget that the rotation system is one of the most complex types of troops. air defense forces and taking into account the
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significant territory of your country, i understand that it will be very difficult to create such an effective system as in israel. israel is a small country. i think that in your case, it is necessary to first of all base the defense potential of your country against missile and air threats on the deterrence factor . no system will help you until the potential aggressor knows that if your rear is attacked you will answer the blow with a very painful blow to his infrastructure , or to his talent . the air force can, er, inflict a painful retaliation. thank you very much, dear master . captain v
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