before the preparation for these key events , there is maximum diplomatic activity, exchange of information, activity at the level of e-e special services of the governments of the countries. that is, it is a sign that ukraine is included in the collective security at the nearest level, and in fact, these are good indicators. the very fact of such a visit today, like other low-level visits these are certainly good signs for ukraine, mr. andrii, in principle, how do you allow offensives from both sides now, ukrainian offensives, russian offensives, how they might look in the spring, they will look like from the russian side the actual offensive of the horde, that is, the army of the previous generation, which has serious problems with the provision of a and the coordination of training, in particular with equipment and ammunition, but there is

a large number of personnel, and fighting in numbers is what we saw now, for example, on the example of solidar, for example, well, this is the tactic of "yasnyk zhukov, which, well, they chose for themselves, and modern, modern, sound and that is , harsh, we brought gerasimov, and so on , and instead, from the side of ukraine, every week, we see that the ukrainian army is actually becoming stronger from the point of view of personnel training from the point of view of technical equipment and new weapons, even when we talk about tanks that will appear in the near future, you and i are not discussing even the leopard 1, but we are actually debating about the leopard-2 tanks, well that's it let's say what we were afraid to even think about last year, that's why the ukrainian army will be more trained, more prepared and more armed for these events mr. andrii, at the end of our conversation, there is still a topic that is hotly discussed and this week

right after the visit, the magazine e-e investigation regarding mr. kireev, who would have been killed by the security services of ukraine in march 2022, but was allegedly killed as a russian spy, but in the end was awarded the hero of ukraine and buried in the fictional cemetery as a hero directly and he allegedly passed on some important data to the supreme commander before a full-scale invasion, although the same publication, also the wolf journal with reference to william burns, wrote that there would be a full-scale invasion and wrote that they will try to seize the airfield in gostomel, well, that is, the same theses that are currently being said about kireyev, is he a hero of ukraine or is he a russian spy, i'm sorry, we are talking to you about er facts for now are facts it 's that kiriev was an employee of the main

intelligence management of the ministry of defense of ukraine and carried out the relevant tasks and died under uh certain circumstances uh who killed him well the investigation is ongoing we will get these answers i hope in the near future objective impartial but the fact that he was killed and this caused significant damage to ukraine's national interests and defense capabilities and could disrupt a certain number of subsequent operations, plans and plans to protect ukraine's national defense and national security. i think that this is unfortunately an unfortunate fact . why and by whom is the investigation ongoing? we all read this interview. i would like to clarify that it is not about what he said about the fact of the attack and what only he said. no, intelligence always relies on different sources and on different information. but there is such details of the future attack are such

details of the enemy's plan, the exposure and preparation of which allows actually breaking this plan, and it was done in the end, the whole story about the southern seizure of kyiv failed, and if the head of ukrainian intelligence says that it was done thanks to one of the gurmo officers, i think that we all have reason to believe that this is exactly what happened. thank you, the representative of the press service of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine. we will continue our conversation now. literally in a few minutes with the next guest because there are many important topics. we will discuss this year's in particular, it is always such an important event where your entire political establishment from many countries of the world gathers, mr. vitaly, what did he do for you this year, i will tell you what. well, what are all these ukrainian topics were always

on the sidelines where there were special events to organize dedicated to ukraine, because at the center of davol's agenda was anything but definitely not ukraine, but now ukraine is at the center, the discussion was successful because the world order depends on how this war will end, and the economic development of the civilized world depends on it, and it depends on whether international law will really triumph or it will be replaced by the law of force, you understand, so by the way, i would like it better if we were somewhere on the side in some small house where someone was financing it breakfast or dinner, they came to the village and said, oh, everything is beautiful , but unfortunately, unfortunately, now the world depends on how much we manage to win and win. of the president of ukraine, the autonomous republic of crimea , welcome to the call, ms. tablo. good

health. well, let's try to understand how much crimea remains on the agenda of such a world discussion of the future outcome of the war. i will not say that crimea was very actively discussed in davos, but during the breakfast of the annual event, which is organized successfully by the ukrainian side , upon the question of the moderator discussions, including in panel discussions in the ukrainian house, in informal certain communications, i will not say that i followed all the events that took place in the crimea, but to a certain extent, of course, it sounded in

the context of the ukrainian victory of the importance of non-repetition well, accordingly the peace formula proposed by president zelenskyi, and ms. tamil, it is clear that the issue of crimea is not so actively discussed in the ukrainian information space because we have more and more territory temporarily annexed by russia occupied territory and a full-scale war continues. however, it seems to me that now is the time to talk about reintegration, and the peninsula, for example, tomorrow we will be provided with enough military weapons, which, by the way, is already being discussed in the biden administration to, among other things, liberate crimea from the russian occupiers. and what will we do tomorrow ? with those people who have completely different attitudes and were involved in russian propaganda for nine years, you know. i want to partially disagree with your question

about the fact that crimea is on the agenda at all in fact, after kherson, after kharkov, and the victorious actions of the ukrainian armed forces, there are a lot of things, and i constantly write about it and try to respond to it . information about crimea appears in the western media, but we really started to see it after kherson, and in fact, in most western media, we see it from one side such surprises. yes, the victorious actions of the ukrainian armed forces, on the other hand, there are certain concerns that they are beginning to claim that crimea will be taken away, as it were, and there will be a lot of blood, that there will be a reaction from putin's side, and he can to use nuclear weapons tactically, there

are certain russian narratives that certain experts are beginning to repeat about crimea, which you always know in belarusian, and that is what it really is. you know, it's distorted. and for those narratives that sufficiently well-known experts start to broadcast, we need to find counternarratives, and we are trying to do this. to answer your question , the state is really working on a reintegration measure. i have already said many times about our work related to such a legal framework regarding issues of responsibility , respectively, issues of amnesty, illustrations, issues related to property rights, issues related to russian citizens illegally residing in the territory of crimea , including the issue of the economic recovery of crimea and we are still in the summer at the end of the summer

, we prepared such a vision document and already this year we plan to work on it in more detail, including with the involvement of our partners and even the signing of memorandums of cooperation regarding the future recovery crimea, please tell me in principle how far we can now talk about the fact that, in addition to losing its sacredness after the annexation of four more ukrainian regions , you can understand that this is a completely different story. if you want land, it's just a desire to occupy everything, vitaly. thank you very much , in fact, they agree with you. because very often when commenting on the reaction of the russian federation to the military return of control over crimea, they start talking about really hunting miners and the use of tactical nuclear

weapons, but in reality, what is stopping volodymyr apply to putin right now yes when we carry out e-e operations to liberate other territories, including part of the ukrainian region, actually i am talking about this and i say that there is no difference at all and crimea is also included as well as kherson, zaporizhzhia, donetsk and luhansk regions no way so-called sub the objects of the russian federation are in the constitution, and that is why we say that if he wanted to do it, he would do everything together . ms. tamila interrupts us, so i guess let them call again in order to still have a good connection. mr. vitaly i will ask, and then you will turn to the lady

. she stated in one of the interviews that those who came to crimea illegally after 2014 will be deported. it is clear. when we liberate this territory, mr. vitaly, do you not think that this is too radical? it is possible that people came to crimea . there for sick parents or something else, if you have heard or not heard the question. please repeat about deportation. so in one of the interviews you said that those who came to crimea after 2014 will have to be deported from this territory after the liberation of crimea from occupiers, is it necessary to make some exceptions , is it possible that this is too radical or not? i think that this is not a radical position, we are talking about russian citizens or other citizens who illegally lived in the territory of crimea , they did not officially enter the territory of the crimean peninsula, they entered the sovereign ukrainian territory violated the migration right of the

ukrainian sovereign state, respectively, certain humanitarian exceptions, of course they can be, but after the person leaves the territory of the peninsula and then submits his documents for the possibility of entry, its possibility of temporary residence in the occupied territories , we know such examples, for example, the families of political prisoners have already contacted me several times, the wives of certain political prisoners who have the citizenship of the russian federation, who were not, did not have the opportunity to officially live in the territory of crimea, and they were in the process of obtaining ukrainian citizenship before 2014. then there was a hundred occupations, then with obtaining their husbands, respectively, there are such problems now, but still we understand that the vast majority of people who are in fact the newest colonizers and those people who contribute to the occupation regime and who are participants in the same war crimes. they should

bear responsibility and accordingly leave the territory of crimea, regardless of whether they have any property on the territory of the peninsula or whether they already have a family mixed even by the family and so on, that is, there is nothing radical in our actions, this is international law, this is the right of ukraine to react accordingly to violations of our legislation. well, as far as i understand it is absolutely logical because if people know in principle that this is an occupied territory from the point of view of international law, they buy property there, do business, do something else . or real estate or mother in bryansk or in kaluska or any region but when you clearly go to some territory you make a certain choice it is in any country there are any difficulties with borders the same thing happens in turkish cyprus people who

buy real estate there, they risk the future of this real estate because it is unknown what the status of all this will be . all the time he is negotiating with the palestinian administration that this place should be recognized as the territory of israel and that the people who built houses or have property there did not risk it, but the people who live there buy or build risk by the way, because there have been many times when israel refused its settlements in these territories and it simply demolished them and you had a house yesterday. and now there is a different international situation , but we do not force people. by the way, i do not even blame these there are israelis who do it, but it’s just their choice, they definitely understand what kind of left-wing system you are not in, and the russians should also

behave like children, and that’s all. i’ll note right away that my question about radicalism is not means that i believe that these radical methods are simply an appeal to the opinion of a part of the citizens, yes. therefore, it is necessary to define it and whether it is necessary for him, we will do it really according to the international ukrainian legislation, and from what i see, there is really a reaction but mostly from the side of the occupying administrations, i myself was the victim of such attacks. when, in the morning after the publication of my publication on one of the information resources, about the sudden teaching of russian citizens who are illegally developing on the territory of crimea, the phone came through different messengers , i don't know, about 500 messages, that is, it was such a hacker attack on my e-e account

, yes, that's why we understand that they are very afraid of this, accordingly, they start to carry out propaganda, saying that we will evict crimeans, not russians, yes uh, that is, actually twisting my words or other representatives of the ukrainian state. thank you very much . of the litextongol center for eastern european studies, we have a contact, welcome to the address, congratulations, well, can you explain to us the mechanisms of german policy in connection with these tanks, yes, this is a very shameful story, and i hope that it will be resolved somehow next week or in a couple of weeks, well, the problem here is that german society is divided, that is, the majority

of society supports this course of aid for ukraine, not only economic but also military aid, but what concerns tanks unfortunately, society is divided there, and somewhere around half of german citizens believe that in germany there is no need to transfer german tanks to ukraine, because, well, it is not because they are pro-russian or anti-ukrainian, but because they are afraid that it will allegedly involve germany in sheep- war but why exactly these leopards and not everything before and what follows, yes, it is not possible to find out rationally, it’s just like that, the current opinion is that supposedly these tanks are something, er, something else. this is something not like that heavy

equipment which we have already handed over to ukraine for example, these cheetah anti-aircraft tanks, which work very well in the country, but now there is such a public opinion about these leopards. what is this? well, somewhere in half of the society is of the opinion that this should not be done in order to avoid a war between russia and ukraine. in general, their mood has developed very well in the last 11 months . there was a time when the germans in general believed that it was not necessary to give some kind of weapons to

the conflict regions. there was even such a thing. you can say that it is a foreign policy doctrine that germany does not exports its weapons to conflict regions and now it is already in a different way, that is, the majority of germans still support the fact that germany gives weapons to ukraine, but for some reason, regarding these tanks, there is now such a division in society, well , at the same time, i think that it is somehow will be decided next week and that at least germany's permission to export german tanks from other countries will be granted for these other countries that want to transfer their german tanks

to ukraine. can affect this whole situation and do you allow such a thing? well, it's not a big deal to change the situation, because in relation to the export of weapons to ukraine, this is decided rather by the chancellor and not by the minister , well, actually, this minister already er, earlier in the 22nd year, i did such things and said several times that if ukraine had support and that ukraine has the right to return to itself all those occupied by them, er, winter, that is, there are er, there are no such fundamental problems with this new nestream minister, but well i don't think it's something there hmm, it's important, it's an important change in the german

government of mr. andreas, he directly knows the story from the ship to the ball on thursday, he's sworn in on friday and he was already at the rammstein meeting, but as far as i've read about him, he's not so much m was an important figure in the political environment in germany, why did they then bet on him as the minister of defense? well, to be honest, i also don't know why he was actually chosen, because, before that , there were people with a completely different last name, and he was a former minister of land tenderly sexy. that is, well a large land in germany, but this is only a story with a price, the minister is only a politician of the regional level and now he suddenly became a minister. why did this happen

? for ukraine well, this personality of the minister does not play a role because it is rather the chancellor who decides what kind of weapons will be supplied from germany to ukraine and, in principle, we can talk with you about the fact that the west is not tired yet. will he get tired of it or not if you believe the official statements, then no, because there are also the big seven, as well as the european union, and nato, all these organizations of the west. well, there will be no end to this

support, and this also applies to military support. how will it look in reality? unfortunately, i cannot say. there are a lot of factors that affect it, but for now i am rather optimistic, because if you look at the dynamics of this support, it rather it is increasing, now there is this problem with tanks, but if you look at the volume of this military support, let’s say financial support for ukraine, it has been growing over the last year, and what do you think it will continue like this, or was it difficult to succeed, this is the decision regarding military support for 1 billion the euro includes systems and ammunition, such weapons in principle that we need, in particular the protection of our sky. petro seems to us

that the system will be handed over directly to us. for germany, the waiting period is not so long. well, thank you, thank you for such, for being so attentive. well, in principle, as i said, german society and the german political elite, too, they support er, these are all courses, and er, that is, there are er, almost now there is a complete consensus regarding this, at least among the centrist parties, that is, among the government parties and also among the largest opposition party of christian democracy , they are all in favor and there, well, for some reason, this has arisen in relation to machine tools. for some reason, there are some there. i would rather say such a psychological problem.

that the germans for some reason are personally afraid to transfer these tanks to ukraine, even if they have already transferred other heavy weapons , they will transfer them, including heavy weapons that are important for ukraine, such as anti-aircraft guns of different systems, we can say that germany's position will now begin to change this in connection with the statement about the absence of energy dependence in general, it is realistic to talk about the fact that there really is no longer energy dependence. yes , there was an application statement. well, it is a communication, a publication of the german government about the fact that germany has stopped to import russian coal, oil and gas , that is, in principle, this issue has already been resolved. and it no longer affects german foreign

policy, and i think that this will be like this , this will remain like this even if the war ends . only partial trade with russia again. that is, it will probably start again there if there is some kind of peace there and there is some kind of solution to this conflict. of course , some trade with russia will start again, but it will no longer be at the same level as it was arbitrary, so now there is a big war, so quickly achieve good results and to get rid of russia's dependence on supplies from the russian federation, because it was predicted that this would happen completely, it seems to us, in 2024 or 2025. yes, frankly, i'm also surprised

that it happened like this maybe so quickly well, i think part of it the decision, or what explains it, is that the minister of economy is now from the green party, robert khabar, and even before this escalation on february 24 of last year, he had a great interest and sympathy for the country, and he sneaked in to solve this problem solve and in general, the green party is hmmm, probably the most pro-ukrainian party today , the party in germany, and well, well, there was support for this, of course, from other parties, also for society and the economy. well, there was such a shameful situation in the 22nd year that we

bought above this energy when the war was already going on and finally it has now been decided, mr. andres, you were not surprised that after the interview with angela merkel, the website run by the president of russia, vladimir putin, constantly uses the theses of this interview, which are absolutely logical. by the way to convince him that he was deceived by the issue of ukraine well, well, i think that here it is necessary to distinguish between the one who speaks and putin to you , he is there, of course he is there with all the arguments that only maybe he is there looking in the west and looking for some kind of support, uh, well, the problem with merkel is that she is, for some reason, unlike other politicians of this time

, uh, even people like steinmar, she doesn't want if well, i'm sorry for what she did then, though politics it was, of course, his decision politics ah but she demanded the mood of the german society then. that is, it was not us just like that, she and the economist er-er economic actor and the political elite they er-er did not want such a policy as that which merkel conducted then, that is, but nevertheless of course she also responsible for what happened, and this is a revaluation of the heritage, it turns out that the brand as politicians did not try to satisfy the interests of society, and now you