for some reason, unlike other politicians of this time , uh, even people like steinmar, she doesn't want if uh, uh, uh, apologize for what she did then, although well, it must be said that she is also a politician. of course, this was her decision. ana's politics, but she reflected the mood of german society at that time. that is, it was not just like that, she is here, and the economy, uh, the economic actors and the political elite, they, uh , they wanted such a policy as the one that merkel pursued at that time, that is, but nevertheless, of course, she also responsible for what what happened and this is a revaluation of the heritage, it turns out that mark as politicians did not try to satisfy the interests of society, and now it turns out that

this society has completely different interests, and they are that merkel satisfied her, his interests are blaming her. merlin and you, what were you all like, the collective chatter there, this person of the german political elite, i don't see such a thing. well, there is a certain paradox here, because really, then the public mood was completely different and was much stronger is this pacifism and this whole ideology that supposedly if we trade with russia, it will lead to peace. yes, and then many people believed in it, but merkel is an unusual person, she is a politician, she is the leader of the country, and she has a special responsibility and and that's why well, i would like to now, it would be good if she apologized for what she

did then and what, she would say that it was a mistake, it already happened, well, it's ho- well, it must be done now for her and now, by the way, for the legacy merte is probably the biggest now the problem is because in general she is considered a good chancellor of germany and now this is a question of the so-called eastern policy, this is a politician, she has become a problem for us. we conclude with this . communications well, we will now have a short break and will be back very soon, wait for it, movies, television, sports, music,

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continue the program of the saturday political club , angelika sezonka and vitaly portnikov, and i suggest mr. vitaly to start with such news. putin's best man, viktor medvedchuk, wrote an article in the russian news . when medvedchuk was handed over in september as part of the exchange in russia, some experts wrote that in fact putin does not want to save him, but wants to punish him on the spot or eliminate him altogether, because there are so many he poured billions into medvedchuk so that he could spread a network of propagandists here, but nothing came of it. you see, i think that when i read these texts, i myself had never said such a thing. what we see is that all this

russian expertise. she was just trying to explain to putin what he wants to hear . and this expertise has no relation to the reality in ukraine. as you can see, there is no need to prove it because if this expertise was correct, the ukrainians would be showered with flowers by the russian soldiers and the ukrainian soldiers would stand with their hands raised and the ukrainian president would run away to washington or australia. now we live under the conditions of the yanukovych regime. ten years, believe me as a person who is engaged in this expertise on russia eternity it seems to me that she is equal and just as incompetent , that is, some people who absolutely do not understand what kind of material they are dealing with they may not even have been to russia, or those who have been but did not understand what is happening there. they

are trying to create a picture that is not even the one they like, the one that ukrainian society likes, but ukrainian society really wants putin to punish medvedchuk there by whipping him by the ears , he has already pulled stole such an amount of money , by the way, i want to know how much money putin stole in general. the russian ilya, to which medvedchuk belongs , is of some great importance. who stole what, well , created some kind of propaganda network, well , it turned out to be the most effective. medvedchuk is to blame for this, maybe the federal security service is not very accurate . for me, the motive behind the release of medvedchuk was completely transparent , it was in principle, and then and now it meant only one thing for me, that putin continues to consider medvedchuk

the next president of ukraine, and the president ukraine cannot be held captive by the nazis, that's clear. it's like two times two, and yanukovych. everything. no, yanukovych has an absolutely specific function of tolerance. you can talk like that on tv. yanukovych's function is to lead a legitimate government because he is a legitimate president, which, according to the russian version, he will overthrow by a coup d'état in 2014. year and putin keeps talking. it seems to me that he said this three days ago that it all started with a coup d'état, so what does this operation look like yanukovych together with his company, which now has no meaning because donbas is russia comes to kyiv, announces special elections and elects medvedchuk as president , that's the end of the story. by the way, i heard this idea for the first time. i think it was 2010 or 2011

, russian officials told me. i remember this wonderful dialogue. you know who will be the next president of ukraine. i was asked once and i said, you know, no one can know the name of the next president of ukraine because ukraine is an electoral state and no one will ever say that anya is in kyiv and not in moscow. who will be the next president? i asked, did you know for sure that yushchenko 's successor would be yanukovych, it was absolutely a duel between yanukovych and tymoshenko. and did you know, by the way, that someone knew that poroshenko would be yanukovych's successor, and his last name did not sound even on the day of the end of the maidan. as a real person who can lead the state, i'm already talking about i don’t even say zelensky, but that’s what a democratic state looks like, that’s what they don’t understand and they tell me. and why can’t he be the president ? you are just saying some strange things. volodymyr volodymyrovych has already decided. if the ukrainians don't support it, it's worse for them. well, we

see it is worse, but somehow they turned out to be yes. so what does this mean, in principle, he was released, rehabilitation began. and now, obviously, he already feels so good to lead this parallel project, what does medvedchuk's article mean in reality ? well, i have somewhere not in reality. to quote putin, it was said that with this special operation, russia would ensure the legitimacy of the ukrainian government and the freedom of all the

belligerent peoples of ukraine. joined russia, well, that is, because of independence, russia recognized kharkiv oblast as independent, uh, how did it take zaporizhzhia oblast independent there, i don’t know poltava, sumy, kirovohrad, there were many of an independent state for two hours. well, three. so they joined them, but some part of ukraine would remain, maybe or maybe not, which would be under the power of the puppet government and this part of ukraine would have to unite into a union of states, and maybe no, there would be no country in principle, now putin sees that the ukrainians do not want this, it is necessary to find a compromise, what is a compromise? the whole last year, uh, and it was lost. putin all the time reprimanded vladimir lenin from the desert for them to make such a mistake, to declare some kind of ukraine and the ukrainian well, now it turned out that it is ukraine

. what conclusion does putin draw from this? if ukraine exists, then it must be a puppet state, so what is the compromise, what can i say, biden, joseph, you were right, there is ukraine, i see, they do not want to be part of russia. i don't understand why, but this ukraine is another russia, just as medvedchuk writes, little russia or second russia - these are all medvedchuk's articles, russia is good, russia is better , but russia, but another country, agreed with you and we will not be with this country to fight and here is our simple peace plan, the first point let this second russia be recognized by the kremlin, we will recognize it in the white house. let's just agree that a state can exist, of course, what is attached to russia is ours, but we will not fight with this ukraine, we will

stop hostilities actions, we stop shelling well, it is clear that there must be a person at the head of such a ukrainian state who must guarantee us that ukraine will not join nato or that there will be no nazis there, that it will not threaten with nuclear weapons, that it will not create chemical laboratories well, who can to be like that who where whom do we trust we trust viktor medvedchuk and you trust him joseph is a serious professional person and by the way he is supported by the majority of ukrainian citizens they are just now under the oppression of the nazi regime they can say but they really want to live in such ukraine well then everything is so that putin is probably sitting there in his office and says, look, mikhailovsky, we offered them a good compromise . will they really not agree? fulfills this order. yes, you can say from those tests that he wrote articles. it’s

true, mr. vitaliy, they didn’t hear anything. they didn’t hear it, but they heard something new that ukraine is. well, it’s important. it’s also progress. by the way, we are not for medvedchuk. anna , for putin, for several years, to convince that in principle, there is no ukraine to annex some territories to russia, here together say no, well, there is just another ukraine, it should be good, not bad, because i always seemed to be a question of the 14th year, so you say that there are nazis, nationalists, anyone from bandera, well, there is a legitimate president, yanukovych and crimea is under your control, part of the donetsk region and part of the luhansk region, why don't you transfer these territories under the control of the illegitimate ukrainian government? there is a legitimate president. there is a legitimate prime minister . donetsk

is ruled by some motorolas with zakharchenko. maybe because you don't believe that ukraine exists at all. well, there was logic in this, if we believe that we want a good ukraine and not a bad one, then the territory of a good ukraine is possible to create a legitimate government of yanukovych, why is it necessary to join, except for the vehemence with russia , there was never an answer to the same question, that is, putin had it, because there is no ukraine. well, crimea was always ours, they say, besides ours, well, and donetsk and kherson , zaporizhzhia oblast. well, there is none there doubts that the majority of the population of ukrainians, why yanukovych did not come to kherson, why was the kherson region annexed to russia? well, there is no political logic in this. he was delusional about politics, even at the level of aggression, as he did it in steel stalin attacked finland, what did he do first he created tricks in the city, this is now from russia, by the way, he is

then otaku respect the government, the people's government of finland, headed by comrade kusennen, and signed with it the government made an agreement on military support that lenin made with the ukrainians in kharkiv, their bolsheviks announced that they had a people's commissariat of the ukrainian people's republic and invited the red army help the working people, but no one said, do you know that we are in soviet russia here kharkiv was liberated, it was annexed to soviet russia, and it didn’t happen then. you have two governments, but in helsinki there is a government of fury, and for years in a row, in kyiv, the government of the central council, and in kharkiv they say bolsheviks, but there is no yanukovych government here. and not the kind that flies over minsk on a plane, as you know, like carlson. maybe he doesn’t trust anyone anymore and that’s why he wants to control everything himself, and i think he just didn’t believe, maybe and now he doesn’t believe that

ukraine exists at all, we just think it’s a piece of stolen property russian land and now when he sees that it is impossible to convince anyone of this, he begins to try other ideas, you know, it’s like water with a foot, the temperature , if you release a bear cub. and that’s all, by the way, about putin’s statements, he recently said about such new ones, which are absolutely shameful statements about the blockade of leningrad by the countries of europe before this, well, he did not say such a thing at all, what is the point here, again, european countries well, okay , finland, well, spain, and others he meant well, some european ones, if there is already more than one finland, italy, spain by the way

to see if they were on the leningrad front, these countries were definitely there in finland, and i think that it was first of all not to italy or spain, because it entered the vna, but we never said that you are bastards and murderers and that you killed our citizens, but now because we wanted to be friends with you. and now that you are joining us, we no longer want to be friends with you and now we will tell everyone who you are . i have to say that this is how the finnish army stood near leningrad the truth is, where was the soviet army before that , two years before that, it was almost under the siege, what was it doing there? why did the soviet troops destroy such a large number of the civilian population in finland from finnish soldiers,

because finland actually suffered an incredibly large amount in the winter war losses for a small country, of course, when there was an opportunity to take revenge, when there was an opportunity to return their territories, even if even ghostly finns were ready for the union as devils, that according to this is absolutely logical . by the way, you know that when finland advanced and returned their territories occupied by the soviet union in 1938, then the allies in the anti-hitler coalition, the united states and great britain, supported them despite their relations with the soviet union. well, just then the military situation changed, there was a search for some module of coexistence. finland turned out not to be on this it is clear to the party, but at that moment in the 41st year, no one had any doubts, let's say that these territories that the soviet union took away from

voters in finland, that these are occupied territories finland and this is also necessary like no one, there is never any doubt that latvia, lithuania, estonia is the territory occupied by the soviet union and even after the second world war, although they were officially allied republics of the soviet union, neither the united states nor other western countries officially recognized the fact of the loss of their sovereignty continued to be considered occupied territories enough in moscow. do you think they were scared in the kremlin? do they want to demonstrate to the russians that they have a defense measure because many of the military experts say that the very forces they are establishing are absolutely incapable of protecting within the city's density and also that there are very few of them in russia, and in order to

provide moscow with the force of the bpp from other regions efforts. this is a completely soviet or russian style of behavior. you see, drones flew to engels. and we will protect moscow, secondly, we do not know what was standing in front of it and standing there, they noticed it as if those shells think that it is them. we do not know, in principle, by what means of air defense the ministry of defense of the russian federation and other tragic objects are actually protected. with their help to destroy ukrainian critical infrastructure, but in principle, russia started this war as a very unmodern state, now it becomes clear, er, after engels, let's say after other military airfields in the russian hinterland, that

a drone can fly anywhere, what can a drone like me appear in moscow sooner or later, now it's a matter of emotions if i tell you average russians and i find out that there were some explosions at the airport in engels or in belgorod or somewhere else, i absolutely do not care it is not interesting because russia 's information system is arranged in such a way that news can only happen in moscow. there is no news in russia. emergency situations, and there it means they said that at some point i remember already when three years later in russia there will be a huge earthquake in lviv, it was honest, i say you know there will be a big earthquake, they say oh my god, what a terrible earthquake where does it seem to us in the far east but how much does it matter? well, i imagined

that i was sitting there, let's say in lviv, there are some editorial offices in lviv, and they tell me, you know, there will be in poltava a natural disaster when it can destroy everything there. but if you say god, you know, there will be an earthquake in moscow, there will be a problem in the yaseniv microdistrict. oh well, these are the mountains of the whole of russia, because if there is already an earthquake in moscow, then where will you live? then you understand that the philosophy of life of the average russian is always it's related to the fact that rich bloodsuckers live in moscow. but i really want to join them, and as soon as i join them , i rent a room for myself, then i will immediately say, these are these provincials who don't even know how to live. underfoot you're confused, all these phrases are known to everyone. who

knows what russian civilization is? russian culture, it's all written here. to moscow, to moscow. and where else, and you and i also had many compatriots who wanted to go to moscow, to moscow . show-biz and everything you want and business and just life is not in the province, it's just moscow, it's russia dawns in russia in russia a hideous provincial state eh i'm completely incomprehensible wild people i also remembered for the rest of my life, you know, how i came and to some museum in the city of vladimir of music. by the way, the ancient city is the center of vladimir sudnovskogo, the cradle of the principality of the cradle. you can see the cathedrals of this civilization. i go to the museum. there is this grandmother who guards this exposition and you will pay for the cry, and she says to me, oh, you know , there was a moscow tour and they tell me

and you are from vladimir, grandmother yes, what kind of place do you have? and what kind of province? volodymyr nothing, but they have come. moreover, i think that all this noise is on their knees, muscovites are people from a on a hole and some kind of riotov, you understand, but they have already arrived on a moscow bus and they can kick everyone, this is such a consciousness that, by the way, i you still know, after all, i have been there for 20 years, i am asking, i can still understand it. how is it that a person comes to st. petersburg, a muscovite says it is so simple here, you are a bad person, what is this?

knows for sure because it is exactly the same with these people , you can achieve the same thing that they rule here in moscow and they need masks to be quiet, you understand. as soon as some drone, god forbid, not even by the ministry of defense of russia, but by some er-e sausage factory named after mikoyan will strike and just 200 kg of sausages will burn, it will be the end of the world, there is no security in russia, where is our government looking in moscow , a drone struck in moscow, there will be tantrums , people will be me, i remember it, when there were explosions of houses, when there were explosions of houses no one in volga-don was interested in this, there was an explosion, new ones exploded, but when there were explosions of buildings in moscow, all of russia was in a state of panic, you could do anything with these people, that's all, well, that's when putin left. i think that they themselves will organize

some kind of explosion at some point in engels, too, when the explosions happen, they don't react, especially in russia, so i think that this is the first moment, the first thing is that they staged all this and showed the second that they will definitely hit somewhere there, then they will announce the mobilization, no one will doubt the feasibility of the mobilization. then that if moscow is already being attacked, then it is necessary to defend ourselves. yes, that's all. oh my god, this is moscow. my god, marfa. my god, you're representing moscow. oh, that's why, first of all, i think that it's necessary to beat like that, and secondly. things, i think that i can, we also took lenin. how long can he lie there? secondly, yes , they can at least bury the unfortunate

mummy, oh, and secondly, they can organize it themselves if they decide that there are not enough the degree of special support, that is, let's see what it looks like, but what they are they began to pay attention to unmanned aerial vehicles, this is a fact, so we are waiting for explosions in moscow, but for now i wanted to talk about the topic of the moscow patriarchate. well, we need to somehow deal with this topic, and the people's deputies of mr. vitaly cannot do it, but a bill was introduced together with the so-called position there among the initiators were european solidarity, as well as the servants of the people, that is, a joint such bill. and now the government bill, which is being criticized, representatives of european solidarity write about the fact that it does not solve any issues at all prohibitions against the moscow patriarchate and so on. and why is there a new draft law at all if it has already been submitted? i think that the authorities would like

all measures related to this church history to be on the initiative of the second time. i believe that the authorities are still in the end there is no unified position on this matter , why do they still want this church not to exist as moscow or to have this church how is it connected with the current government, that is, how does it owe its existence to the government, that is, conditionally speaking, now you should pray not there and here. if you want to exist at all, this is a completely wrong approach, because it is obvious that many admirers can say that the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate has a clear understanding that it is necessary to negotiate with the authorities. this church generally exists in the paradigm of coexistence with the

authorities, we have already said that it is in essence, the synodal church is by and large royal in the royal office, but i see in all these laws an attempt to turn it now into a department only in another office, and i believe that we must go absolutely in another way, we have to understand a simple thing : ukraine is the canonical territory of the orthodox church of ukraine, not the russian orthodox church, and the question is not whether the ukrainian orthodox church will break the canonical relationship with the russian orthodox church