let it exist in the paradigm of coexistence with the government , we have already said that it is essentially a synodal church, by and large a royal one in a royal office, but i see in all these laws an attempt to turn it into a department only in another office, and i believe that we should go completely differently in this way, we must understand a simple thing: ukraine is the canonical territory of the orthodox church of ukraine, not the russian orthodox church, and the question is not whether the ukrainian orthodox church will break the canonical relationship with the russian orthodox church, it cannot break them by itself. because it does not have any authority to do so, it is not located on the canonical territory of the russian orthodox church, if it were, then they should have sent a request for autocephaly to patriarch kirill, as

it did. by the way, the priesthood of the latvian orthodox church, which is located on the canonical territory of the russian orthodox church the territory of the russian orthodox church, write, e-e, kirill, there is nothing to announce that we are now autocephalous, there is nothing to do. because on which canonical territory, the canonical territory has a clear border, but somehow they know ms. vitalya, it is strange from moscow is demarcated, but they consider themselves autocephalous without, but they cannot consider themselves autocephalous because it is not for them to make such a decision about autocephaly, only the church in the canonical territory of which they are located until the moment when the ecumenical patriarch petriv vselenskyi announced that this is not the territory of the russian orthodox church to be rpc and they should have appealed to the patriarch of moscow with such a request, but they did not. and by the way, this church is run by people who withdrew their signatures under the appeal to

of the moscow patriarchate, the possibility of autocephaly, then everything was done correctly by metropolitan philaret, he turned to the moscow church, the moscow church had to agree with this, with this agreement, they were supposed to go to constantinople, they did not do all this, and they did not, in principle, the ukrainian orthodox church in its current state is not orthodoxy, it exists outside the borders of world orthodoxy because if it is located in the canonical territory of the orthodox church of ukraine and does not recognize this territory of the canonical orthodox church in this way, it simply turns into a church of the poor. well, what does it matter what they call themselves there, they can call themselves martians even though world orthodoxy has simple laws, there are other orthodox churches, and we also have a lot of them that do not recognize this territory of the orthodox church of ukraine canonical, but they recognize the economic territories of the russian orthodox church and no other churches, or others , or others, they do not exist in nature, there is

no orthodox church , not a single one. constantinople and it is not known who i do not know there cheburashki, the question arises and with whom are these people in prayer unity? this is the church. she must be in prayer unity with someone . of this church , you are actually through the mediation of the russian orthodox church, but if you say that no, they are not, we are not through the mediation of no, then i turned to this . i repeat this question, with whom are you in prayer unity, i recently saw a large report of the address of the priests of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, who turn to their

leadership and say, "we have severed relations with the rpc, show the documents. and we, our members of the synod have left the rpc, show me the document, and you are very surprising to me, people, in principle, all studied in in seminaries, i am not people, in principle, all orthodox christians are like me, people are all orthodox priests, i am not, but the question arises: if you are an orthodox priest, if you are an orthodox christian, if you have a cross, if you studied in a seminary, why do you behave like accountant, this is an accounting issue, if we come to our accountant and say, you know, we want to report. we have it here. where is it? please show me the documents on i need to understand how much i received and how much i owe, and this is a business conversation, but the accountant does not pretend to priests , he doesn't sit in a hut, he doesn't have

christ here, he doesn't, uh, doesn't invite us to confession, he discusses business issues with us like a professional. and if you're a priest, you have to answer one thing for yourself the question is on which canonical territory do i pray here, if i pray on the territory of the orthodox church of ukraine because the ecumenical patriarchate recognized that, then what am i doing in this church if i pray on the canonical territory of the russian orthodox church because it is not the territory of the orthodox church, it should be, or yas territories, they can or not. am i, what documents can prove the opposite to me, let the difference be that i do not write on paper, this is spiritual unity. it is not measured by documents, it is a connection in prayer on the canonical territory they know this. they are their flock. maybe i don’t know. they are

manipulating. they are pretending that we asked this, but they did not answer us. yes, i answer you, dear priests of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, which documents did you not issue, which seals did you put, or do you agree with what you are part of the canonical territory of the orthodox church of ukraine. then please unite as this process unites. this is not my problem, it is the meeting of hierarchs, the agreement of patriarch onufriy should speak. metropolitan onufriy should to go to constantinople while watching there like other members of the synod about the ukrainian orthodox church well, then you can talk after that while it should be a public repentance that and then with the ecumenical patriarchs and with the metropolitan of kyiv and if you serve in the chronic territory of the russian orthodox church well then, don't play in the fact that it doesn't exist well, you don't have to, it's just a game to a game that is based on the illiteracy of your

herd, on its ignorance, on its lack of understanding of simple things, that's exactly what happens in ukrainian politics, politics, people are uneducated, people do not understand that simple answers cannot be given to complex questions, so that even then they fall into the pitfalls of a literal sensist, the same thing happens in church politics, because we want to pass it off as real all the time , so we want us considered an independent church, but that is not the case, you are not a protestant church, you are not an adventist - you are not a baptist, you cannot gather at a cathedral and declare yourself an independent church, a church that does so is not orthodox, the idea of ​​orthodoxy is an idea symphony of unity and this unity is achieved through joint prayer service in the charter of patriarch alexy it is absolutely clearly stated that this joint prayer service takes place at the expense of your connection with the russian orthodox church this charter is in the e-e

statute of the new uoc or you refuse it and then your direct path is to the ecumenical patriarch and to the orthodox church of ukraine or you don't go there and then you become a rift with all world orthodoxy, you simply become an ordinary non- orthodox sect, but then there is the question is, if you are not an orthodox sect, just people who dressed in cowslips. how are you? by the way , they always said about the kyiv patriarchate, what are you doing in the caves of the kyiv-pechers lavra , where are the real orthodox christians buried in the temples of the kyiv-pechers lavra, what are you doing there, i am very interested what are you doing in the pochaiv lavra? what are you doing in many monasteries? all this presence of yours in these temples is ensured by a common prayer service and world orthodoxy.

the grace of the churches, how does the essence of religion disappear, there is no grace with the same success, you can pray in a lutheran number in a mosque, a synagogue , you can pray, i don’t mind, you just need to go through certain rituals that you can talk about after the broadcast, but you consider yourself orthodox christians, there is nothing who are you then, and this is the question that every believer of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate should ask himself, his prayers from this very moment. when this story about prayers took place. simply no one hears them yet well, the questions themselves are being polite, do you remember how they put out a video from the mukachevo diocese of the ukrainian orthodox church of ukrainian onuphrius and the uoc, we don't have ptsu, the non-orthodox church of ukraine, but the uoc, yes, but again, the

uoc you have, but what is the uoc, what is the uoc if it's not the mp, absolutely but look, russia still managed to consider the issue. the uoc mp in ukraine is allegedly under pressure that russia will consider it, and the representatives of the ukrainian orthodox church. we do not need your protection. but i think that the representatives of russia in the united nations will tell you what i want . the ukrainian orthodox church will say not because of that, not because of that. and why, then tell me why, you understand, this is a diagnosis that is not only spread in the ukrainian orthodox church, it is a very popular diagnosis in

our society. we want it to be the way it is. it was like that with many things, of course. it wouldn't be bad if there was a strong army, but the money should be spent on other language projects. well, we have a free country, that's pavlo pavlo pasha. mercedes is also a great person. i would say a new martyr, oh, a martyr for mercedes. things, uh, in the kiev-pechersk lavra, there was just a festive liturgy in honor of the baptism of the lord in the assumption cathedral, it was also very important for the orthodox christians of ukraine and the orthodox church of ukraine directly because the lavra was under the moscow patriarchate and how nice when everything finally fell into place, it is obvious

. i think that the principle of the question of what uh-uh place that we knew uh-uh belongs to the state, along with this, is monopolized by one of the orthodox denominations in a situation where there are several we will not even now discuss the question of canonicity, of course, but there is several orthodox denominations , which have their own views on the development of orthodoxy in ukraine, and there is a lavra, which is not the property of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate, whose temples are leased by this church organization for some reason, other orthodox denominations do not have the right to serve there, why is it that in order to solve it in a civilized way , it was necessary for rockets to fall on our heads, this is also a question of schizophrenia and madness , that is, the authorities simply allowed them to stay there all the time, obviously,

now we understand it, so it was possible the government allowed them to stay there, they scared the government that they could create any crisis situation, do you remember that? but they, after 2014, and by the way, this is also completely on the conscience of metropolitan onufriy , all the time they arranged these crusades in ugu the essence of the anti-maidan character every year they were afraid of some kind of provocation every year they understood that these marches are by and large in the interests of one single country this country is not ukraine now that it turned out that this country is ready to kill ukrainian citizens and ukrainian priests by the way, the representatives of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate will fall the patriarch of moscow prays fervently just for this, maybe they will reevaluate everything that they did, you understand, there must be some sense in this and

it is obvious that there was no heroism or martyrdom in this , mr. vitaly, the last question at the end of this topic, here is the serik , you, after all. do you think that you have changed your position during the 11 months of full-scale war, or are there still many supporters of this church, and people are directly biting into the fact that the church will remain canonical for them, i think that this process will go on if this process does not go on and if the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate remains more than it the glorious church of ukraine and in the end the authorities will be forced to agree with the fact that this is the case and it will start, of course, it will start playing at the very first election cycle, these people will vote, then the level of sacrifices that we will bear during the war will not matter, we will

simply lose this war after the war, well, after the first elections after the first election, the so-called party of peace and understanding will win, and it will not be true, madam, and russia, our neighboring country, and somehow, we have the church in general, and the language and culture in general, half of our population speaks russian языке россияне well, of course, there were excesses. this is how it will sound, and in principle, i have always tried to explain that ukraine is much easier to capture with peace. in principle, it is much easier to capture the russia of ukraine. in principle, to capture the russia of ukraine is to spit it out. fortunately, we are dealing with an absolute idiot who refuses these people who are ready to be part of his world simply in human dignity, you understand the current russian government, she doesn't want to, she talked about it for the

first time at the beginning of our conversation, she doesn't even want to play in the ukraine in which we could feel free to feel free novinian onufriy medvedchuk yanukovych and millions of people who voted for them and go to their screens no. but if these people do not draw conclusions from this war, then they will. thus, they will not fail to collapse, they will cure the ukrainian state to collapse. 2-3 years will pass. i'm absolutely calm, we won't even notice. thanks, we found ourselves in the russian orbit again. and by the way, georgia is not a good example . in 2008, russian planes flew over georgian troops and killed civilians. georgia in 2008, russia officially bought a huge part of the territory of georgia, expelled from there those ethnic georgians who still lived there,

and before that they were expelled several times, and this did not prevent the then president of georgia, mykhailo saakashvili, from canceling visas for citizens of the russian federation of the same russian federation where the majority supported the aggression of president putin, and this did not prevent georgian hoteliers from happily accepting russian tourists, it is now the president of georgia who made zrobishvili say that it is necessary to somehow repair and too much, but i remember how it was then and now the georgian authorities who say that we cannot supply weapons to ukraine, but we want to have such a state where the president of ukraine will say no, we will not help kazakhstan. of course, we will sincerely support the territorial integrity of kazakhstan, we they are ready to send them humanitarian aid there, there are some heaters there, but weapons, well, excuse me, what if and if we provoke the hands, god forbid, but our country is not yet settled, and so the cities are destroyed, you again, you want

and they will speak in every church of the ukrainian orthodox church, do you want war again? you want it again, like zelensky , that's how they are, all the soldiers of the world will be of course and this will happen, i'm just warning you exactly in 3-4 years after the end of hostilities, exactly we even we will not notice how from a country that resists russia and says that they are all so holy there, we will turn into an ordinary provincial russian satellite. and in the west, many countries will simply sigh with relief, the blood of the dead will not congeal. well, there is such a danger and i immediately say that such a danger is twice as great as the danger of a monetary war. well, you just have to realize this and it directly affects our church life. it may also sound harsh, but you need to know that it is true and your predictions always come true, because i

still continue to believe in the wisdom of the ukrainian people is that there is already an understanding of the situation, you mentioned georgia, it is interesting that the president still has a different vision with the governments, she calls on the government let's somehow decide on the position regarding ukraine because we are like that, yours and ours, president she is rosinka from france, and in this regard, despite the fact that she was elected as the head of the georgian state with the support of the current government, in fact she was an independent committee when she was supported by the georgian dream party, supported by the biblical ivanishvili, one way or another , she cares about her reputation because she will cease to be the president of georgia to be , she will have a reputation at every international conference. where will she go at every symposium and will always be asked by ladies, make accommodation? and how did it happen that during your term of office, georgian

the state that itself suffered during the war in russia against it behaved the way it did in relation to ukraine why did this happen and that it should answer now it will answer i was also absolutely this government i do not have such powers i used my powers within the framework of the constitutional possibilities, because we have a parliamentary republic and that is why we are not. another question is why georgian government officials do not think about their reputation. they, too, must have a reputation. the current leaders of georgia must also understand that they are following the wrong path and that this whole idea, no, if we don't anger russia, it won't attack us. it reminds me a lot of ukrainian illusions until 2022. in fact, the security of georgia and its existence as an independent sovereign state can only be ensured by one factor: the victory of ukraine in the war with russia, if ukraine loses

this war, i will not give a single order for the preservation of georgian sovereignty, and i also say this absolutely sincerely, russia will continue to stop russia in its efforts to restore the soviet union to the borders of 1991, only defeat can turn russia's victory into georgia to an autonomous region within the russian federation, georgian autonomous, you will no longer have any sovereign georgia, there will not even be any georgian ussr, there may be a republic of georgia like tatarstan with two state languages ​​and so on, but forget about sovereignty and if georgia wants to remain an independent state i i am sure that i want because every georgian believes that this independence will be achieved and georgians courageously fought against the russians in the 20s of the 20th century and even the georgian communists were beaten in the face the gray-haired cat of the west, he wanted to destroy the friends of the state, by the way, they wanted, even then, they wanted georgia not even to be a union

autonomous republic within russia, they simply beat him and that was enough. they also had to beat stalin, and how could it be in this after such a story after stories of fighting against their own traitors because all these georgians of the moscow leadership are traitors to georgia, how could it be that this is the way to take such a line of behavior, i don't understand, but as you said, it's bad for them, first of all, it's bad that ukraine will win, and then we will to see about our relations, how they will develop. vitaliy, there are still several topics that i want to discuss with you in time. but we cannot help but remember the sad event, the real tragedy that happened this week, this is the plane crash in brovary, where the leadership of the ministry of internal affairs and employees of the ministry of internal affairs and civilians were also injured and died. also, i do not want you and i to

consider the versions because these are matters of investigation. but maybe you can say how it affected today's ukrainian society, after all, these are the first faces of the state , and many people talk about that. and why were they in the same helicopter during the war, and why did they follow this route, that is, through the city of the official investigation, in fact, how does it happen, who makes such a decision, how do the services that are supposed to ensure the safety of high-ranking officials work states, what standards are they guided by? i really believe that this is a tragedy and we have to express our sincere condolences to the relatives of those who died in dakry and to the relatives of those people who died in kindergarten, because this is a common tragedy, a tragedy of people at state funerals today, who was the president of ukraine and the tragedy of people who did not have a state funeral because of this, they are no less

, of course, we express standards first because we have to understand that if we do not adhere to certain standards and flight safety standards, then helicopters will fall with our government officials , sooner or later other people will die, this too must be absolutely clearly understood, but even from this story, it is interesting that they have started again, you know, some internal conflicts like this, a who was what minister and who is to blame for the purchase of these rotorcraft, do you think we should raise these issues now or wait for victory because russia is only waiting for us to be shaken, i don't think we should wait for victory for the sake of an official investigation, of course we always investigate what happens on at the front, how are you , why yes, for some reason, how to proceed, this is also precisely if we understand whether it is a rotorcraft or not a rotorcraft or technical malfunctions or malfunctions in the flight logistics that

led to this. i think that this is absolutely real and it seems to me that it is logical to talk in the process. thank you. i think that we will finish with this topic because we are really not experts and we are waiting for official data that will be based on the results of the investigation and once again we express our condolences to all the victims, this is a real tragedy for everyone ukrainians well, finally, i propose to discuss the subject of sanctions . the european commission is preparing the 10th package of sanctions against the russian federation. and here, in particular, these sanctions will apply, as always, to specific legal entities and certain individuals, such details are not disclosed, but they say that they are preparing too quickly

now for the meeting of the countries of the european union, which will take place in the spring. well, it seems to me that it is difficult to say here how it will develop, maybe it will be like you say, maybe it will be earlier. how do you imagine it at all ? e situation with sanctions e-e decisions when we see that in order for the sanctions to really start to take effect, time is needed, and we see that in the european union all the time we are forced to persuade certain members, first of all hungary, to support such a package of sanctions and everyone are there any concessions or solutions? i believe that sanctions play their role in one way or another , because russia is starting to lose little by little, how should i say it, the potential it has,

from gas, from oil, western countries have to realize that every limitation of the russian oil market is a reduction in the possibilities for the further future of our e-e military actions, it is the preservation of the lives of our citizens, and it seems to me that this is also absolutely logical and this should also always be said when we discuss with you the situation related to the future of ukraine from the future of russia, sanctions must be constantly increased because the main thing is that the west does not go backwards, you understand. as soon as russia sees that the whole machine has stopped, it will give them a boost, but the same sanctions, for example, do not stop iran from

supplying weapons to the russian federation, kamikaze drones and missiles, they seem to also supply them. but they do not officially inform about this, and it seems that recently the minister of foreign affairs of iran said that despite friendly relations with the russian federation, they recognize crimea and donbas are boiled territories of ukraine p vitaliyu and how are they so friendly to putin, what is important after all that the territories he captured, to be recognized by his friends, like a tyrant well, i think that this is a matter of international law, not a single country, not even one of putin's friends wants to change its attitude to international law and will only want to if russia seems to change international law itself, you see that the president of serbia says no donbas and crimea are russia and ukraine is not russia that the president of belarus has never recognized any occupied on russian territory, even lukashenko, that is, in

crimea, they opened their consulates. it seems to me that nicaragua is all that could be achieved. so i am absolutely sure that what is important for putin now is not the recognition of annexed territories. and this military aid, but when you say that iran lives under sanctions, i agree, it lives under sanctions, it is true, but the truth is that it is not waging a war, but imagine what iramba, at the same time, i do not think that it will last long for his regime, so in this regard, you must always understand the level of spending when the country lives in a war and is under sanctions, at the same time it is a huge problem for it. i really hope that it will be a huge problem for the russian economy. at least i hope so. by the way, the representatives of iran were in turkey and had talks ms. vitaliyovych, what did they especially end up with any morning, the turkish negotiations are important. because there are countries with

common interests, that is, they are gray on themselves and they are trying to find some common language on various issues, i do not think that they will to the end i will find a dialogue between the grenadines and turkey , and it is already an important thing that they can talk to each other without russia, thank you very much, mr. vitaly, it was saturday's tax meeting, portnikov and literally in a few moments you will hear news from anna java melnyk this will be the final release as of 21:00 and not in melnyka together with the news editor will summarize for you how 332 days have passed because it is a large-scale war between russia and ukraine, wait