but well, we were afraid of this in any case, yes, i will shoot my knee, i will shoot my knee, i will shoot everyone. there is mercy there, i understood that that person was not there at all in early september . it was very joyful, but they came in so calmly and we were so calm, it was all very pleasant in my heart that they, um, that our prayers were heard, what for us? she has freed us now, life is slowly returning to vysokopillya, they have started to work stores, here is one of them, even though it was half burnt, but when it was open, i ate 35 others on the counters , everything you need from food to household chemicals , large purchases are made in the nearest cities, says saleswoman veronika, and fresh fish and meat are taken from residents once every 40 our meat is on average 150-180 fat

, but it is 50 and up to 180 cm, the same is better, the store is probably the only place where you can see the local streets, it is still half empty for some and there is nowhere to go back. there is everything in the stores, but there is nowhere to live. right it was said yes, the school is broken, the children will not have a place to study, the hospital is all broken after the armed forces of ukraine knocked out the russians from here, the village was under enemy fire for another month and a half . halls until they came there to play and the game where they went from the other side, that is, it is the russian grad and the roof of the building is completely damaged, at least the windows are covered, insert them.

they are installing doors in the building where the medical center has moved here, they have already replaced the windows and are preparing to repair the roof, the complex that you don't want to make a hospital and a dental clinic in the line, well, as they say, and a dental clinic well, i think that we will help to the end to restore this uh room completely now here there are more beds available in visokopillya , people are coming back and they need medical help, for example, the pediatrician mrs. ludmila accepted up to 10 patients in half a day, he carries himself, there is a height meter, there is a communal table, what in we were a little bit better at it , just for now. yes, the room is heated with flower pots for god. until the end of the working day, but the doctors say that they lack laboratory equipment for full-time work. the kryvyi rih district military administration

has promised to help. in the spring, we will consider the possibility of purchasing equipment that will improve diagnosis and treatment. before the war , about 11,000 people lived in visokopyla. 3,000 have already returned here, they managed to restore light, partial water supply, and local residents say that the main thing is that russian tanks from the kherson region no longer drive through the streets. water level, rescuers with pumps worked in several villages and cities, streams flooded the highway for a while, it was closed for driving in the village, the picket line descended through the villages, the flow of people did not weathermen warn of rain and wet snow in the highlands, possible

avalanches, road workers on mountain passes are already clearing roads and fighting ice, and rescuers call to refrain from trips in the coming days , meet the world with a smile, smile with a sweet song, imprint your uniqueness, understand the words of the teachers, forget to erase yesterday to sing again and live again

thanks to you is not at all like in the movies it is boring cold and terrible war smells of blood sweat war leaves its mark on everyone who i've been there, remember about it when you see a man in military uniform, that's how the horse's eyes are, remember what price our heroes pay every day, we respect them. we thank them, we help them, we

will win . for those people who are going there, and i will be responsible for those people whom we will take out of there , if he had finished burning, there would not have been a thermal bath here by now, my dear father. you are so wounded, what did they count once upon a time, there were those people whose white angel

evacuation of the orphaned heat 21:15 on the air column accent my name is oleksiy fadeev existence determines consciousness if this principle is true then the consciousness of ukrainians during 2022 had to undergo tectonic changes then even if not tectonic, then it can be argued that it in no way affected the individual psychology of each of us and on the psychology of society as a whole, well, this is completeness, so there is only one question: how exactly did the war change us? what to do with it and whether it is possible to use at least some of such changes to change life for the better. and this is what we are talking about today

let's talk with professional psychologists. because our guests today are vitaly lunyov, a clinical professor of psychology, a member of the ukrainian academy of sciences, a researcher at the kostyuk institute of psychology of the national academy of pedagogical sciences of ukraine, and yuriy irkhin , a criminal psychologist with a very long experience, because i remember almost all of my life, almost everything life good evening, gentlemen. so, war is a lot of points. what does war do from the point of view of psychology to people? it is an interesting question if it is open. well, in fact, war is people do what, on the one hand, it is no matter how strange, but the war is the period when , er, we see the greatest decline in neurotic disorders, and in this there is a very interesting phenomenon

of war as such, because, so to speak, to a certain extent, the neurotic needs to have something or to strive for something irrational or something that is always idealized, but it always does not come true, that is why the period of war is always connected with the fact that, in fact, a very large part of the neuroses of neurotic states that existed before that disappears in society and in this way, sometimes you even know such philosophers, idealists, romantics, they say that to a certain extent war, as if war heals society in this context, but in fact , from that side, we see that the grounds are being laid for this delayed reaction that a little later will catch up with society, it is still lays such certain forms , including pathologized behavior, which will make themselves known later, but due to

the fact that the war in which we are, it is so -called prolonged always so. that is, we do not we can see, conditionally speaking, a specific time when it will end, then this method of reaction does not begin, and therefore society is quite mobilized. i would like to some extent to debunk some such myths that the ideology of ptsd is always imposed on us, that it is massive, it is so excessively large or there some significant part of the population may be affected by it or have sensitivity to it, so to speak, but to a certain extent this is not always the case and especially ukrainian society due to the fact that we have found a new such social coping, that is, a way of overcoming everything

that happens to us, such a way of proactively overcoming all of this , sometimes it even forces some scientists, for example, from germany and israel, to introduce into the classification of coping behavior, that is, behavior that is aimed at overcoming stress, new forms thanks to the ukrainian syndrome itself ukrainian phenomenon and you are already living well, for example, at our department where i work in general medical psychology of the national medical university, professor matysh began to study ideas from the 14th year of the ukrainian syndrome, and now we see very interesting such ethnocultural differences, which in fact allow us to say that it is precisely due to such an archetype of our own land and our own culture and the need that is the key need in the realization of an ethnic triumph, which until now all this time has not been a

new product, a new type of coping, was being produced, and scientists from different countries are paying attention to it, and actually it is connected with the idea that the world did not expect to see such a volunteer movement, a volunteer movement, both militarized and public volunteer movement that is, it was unexpected and it was unexpected for the world community, because all this time they considered us as a somewhat divided country, you know what there are, there are others , the country took it and united, so the society wants to confirm the word of vitaliy, uh, the war , unfortunately, kills, but at the same time, it hardens society as a society so personally and the worst for people so completely true vitaly noted that the so-called ussr is more of a myth than a reality well, we have experience

even in the 80s, i studied at the pedagogical school at the university, we studied the problem of the so-called afghan syndrome. it was 1988, 1990s , that is, the afghan company ended in 1980-9, and at that time i even remember the figure that if you take the equivalent of 100, then and cases of e-e consequences of criminalized consequences of combat trauma per 100, only one case of criminalization, that is, there are 100 people injured in combat conditions, only one of them is criminalized, the rest of this trauma is transformed, on the contrary, into reverse processes, it increases the sense of dignity of justice and the desire and thirst for life is on the contrary, that is, these people become even bigger, many times bigger, er, bigger defenders, defenders of their family as a society, and they strive to live, they give birth to children, they create goals, yes, but not according to those

statistics, unfortunately for today, we are still at it again unfortunately, from the point of view of science, we do not yet have statistics of the criminalization of combat trauma of the so-called confrontation of the world after the war. yes, but we are the same processes, we are already observing them today, even look at the official statistics of the ministry of internal affairs of ukraine, eh, criminogenic the situation is much much better, i can't say that many times, because there are other categories in the discourse of criminal crimes, it's drunken everyday life, everyday drunken everyday life, there are such crimes every day, criminal robberies, robberies, murders, they have decreased radically, decreased to this day, no i can say that it is a prosperous picture, but today, for example, walking on the streets of our country has become much more dangerous. people walk back and forth from work late at night and early in the morning, but please tell me. that is, it is wrong to assume that this is a fairly widespread opinion in our

society that war can lead to, as you might say, the legitimization of violence or a greater tolerance for violence, that is, the war will be unleashed and pandora's box will be opened, and after the war, violence will be rampant. after the war, it cannot be due to the fact that people see, they are tired of violence, they feel this purely physically due to the fact that it is physical destruction, first of all, against the background of already physical destruction, there is moral destruction of the personality on destruction and therefore similar to that people even develop this immunity of resistance against violence, i will tell you frankly, i am a late child, my father was born in 1920, and my mother was born in 1930, and they do not remember that life after 45, somewhere between 50 and 55 it was said, well, society in the soviet union was just perfect, there was no malice, there was no meanness, treachery , none of that. because they came, they just took each

other's last shirt off, then the processes began, then they began to live. they began to accumulate wealth and that's why similar begins. as you said, hoarding , yes, neurotic disorders, so also, then , the question arises, you know, there are two of the most difficult, and they are actually philosophical questions , but they are fundamental questions of clinical psychology, since it is from them that psychopathology begins, not patrubsitology, but psychopathology, and this the question of being and having, that is, in the period of war, it is a question of being, that is, living in general, surviving, existing, basic values . the issue of motherhood is solved, and a very terrible thing begins. it is called the question of justice, and when society begins to

shift to the ideology of justice, what do we have? this is motherhood, and we can claim something else . pandora, which we are talking about now, when later some crimes are possible to a certain extent, now the war lowers the moral bar to a certain extent. and morally in this aspect, there is a revaluation, that is, relatively speaking well, when a person loses his sight on the scoreboard yes, or how to call it correctly, he loses property, health, whatever on the screen what will you talk about with this person or , for example, what can you contrast living in safe regions or there conventionally speaking lining up we can

oppose absolutely nothing in this now, i would say that this is pandora's box, it is not really that scary well, tell me, can there be a-a hmmm, in the post-war period, ukraine is already victorious. i really hope that in ukraine this request for justice, you just said i reacted to familiar words, what is it called, but i immediately remembered me, the association went about what, mr. yuri, you remember, you said about the afghan syndrome and what was observed then, those hungry 90s, and certain maybe i'm wrong, but it seemed to me that some of those people who came to afghanistan, at one time they asked for justice in the form of "we fought, but here and there they say that no one sent us there, well, do you remember the eyes and phrases, can we not have something like this in our society, god grant that as many as possible will be returned to us" all alive

healthy people returned, but could there be a conflict in the background, i fought and you didn't fight, it 's not a conflict, you understand, this is the attitude of the state towards the people who fought for that victory . recognition of these actions, uh, again, if you remember even 45, 1945, well, my father personally remembered that there was no such thing as a war veteran, he only felt that he was a veteran, a participant in the war after the 60s, then everyone fought, everyone was at the front, no one i pounded my fist that i'm a hero, you're not a hero, that is, there was no such thing, but when the state started talking about it. and by the way, why then did the disappointment begin, the truth is, because after afghanistan, then already in the soviet union and the future russian federation, the so-called pobiedobesev procedure began that is, the display of the ninth of may victory day as a

mon- new there er subject and then already against the background of this veteran of the afghan war hello, excuse me well, i also wipe then it started then yes er i started to ask this who you go there depends on the state, now we have a completely different situation, there is no need to compare today's situation with the afghan one, or the events in luhansk. the fact is that we actually have a patriotic war today, we were attacked and we defend our land, our homeland we are being destroyed, our cities are being destroyed, we are being destroyed, this is a completely different situation, and already today , the assessment of the state is already in principle, and please, i don’t think that they will change, so i don’t understand what you are talking about now. justice, the distribution of property, who is better off , often yes, because that is what it means, hardly

so but again, what i want to tell you to emphasize is that these are ordinary social everyday problems that are inherent in society and outside the boundaries of war, if even then everything is over, victory will be granted evaluation well, here you are, please, here are the benefits for you. this is how injustice can begin. why, therefore, more. why, therefore, less. they both said that according to tsn well, let's say that it is so greatly overestimated, yes, if you understood correctly, it is too operational, but permanent. well , i don't know, hmm, staying in the conditions of some , even mythical, here or there fmmer threat to life. doesn't it leave an imprint on the personality of some, of course imposes simply, well, there is such a concept as stress, anti-

stress vaccination, a person gets used to it and begins to perceive it as a normal , everyday life, full stop, that is, this is the case when at first everyone ran to the warehouse, and then already like that, and the muscovites have stopped the guy and sits further on the sofa, that’s it, that’s it, that’s it, pay attention, you’re talking about ordinary civil principles, about women, and about the military, what can we say if they are in those conditions every day, yes, every day, but listen , it’s always been like me well, i won't say it's interesting, but i've thought about it a lot, how does the psychology of a military man change in general? well, you see this death and blood every day, well, it's scary, and killing, after all, is war, how does it change them, or how does mr. yuriy say that after the war there will be a certain period that will confirm my words because it is, well, i believe that it is an axiom that changes, not psychology, the personality is transformed, it is transformed, it is the so -called a, the so-called hmm adaptation syndrome, and

in fact, the whole idea is what, for example, conventionally speaking, that is, well, if we take our brain a and actually us as a person who exists now and i can imagine like this if we could move there 10 or how many thousands of years before us, then the same person as the three of us sitting, she was once, uh, luda edom, well, yes, as if you to the cannibals, that is, she was still somehow there, the same, and anatomy, physiology , neuropsychology, in fact, that is why what we are talking about with you will be relevant precisely for the period when peace , victory and peace will already begin, and then we will see or not see some clinical social pictures because in fact now it is already becoming the norm of life and well, a lot of studies show that, relatively speaking, before such a situation, it takes

a month or so to adapt to another situation, that is, until this everything is the norm of life on i understood you and please tell me one thing when we talk about adults, another thing when we talk about children's psychology, about the psychology of those children, as if there is a childhood, this war has arrived well, for now , one year and god forbid that they will not adapt anymore because, you know, i very often, even during a marathon on the air, we sometimes have psychologists join us, and i always have editors there, one of the editors will always write a question like this, or how to talk to a child about the war, or what methods calming children, is it somehow less traumatizing for children? well, first of all, it is a new experience, like everything for children, everything is a new experience for children, it is what they see. the smaller the child, the more for discoveries for the child. adaptive natural protective processes of mechanisms are activated,

and nature does not it helps as a labile set is called a more flexible set, that's why it's necessary to be open and honest with children, yes, yes, there are explosions, you can die here, you can't die, you need to tell them all this, just work with the children , so it makes sense to teach them so that with an air of anxiety, it is necessary to go to er, this is all definitely here. the question is that the most difficult topics should be discussed with children in the same way as with an adult, that is, this is all the effort , yes, you understand, we are facing two problems, the first problem is the pharmaceutical industry which tries to make everyone look like a bird. and you see, in an unusual way, he promised to cut down. yes, well , then on top of all this, and the other is excessively romanticized, infantilized sphere, it ’s like childish psychology during the war, well, there is

only one psychology, there is undoubtedly some such amendments for children's age, but in general, children should now be treated in the same way as adults and explain to them in adult language what is happening and even ask them for help, because an adult also needs this help if there is no one to help with an adult. a child can turn to a child, you don’t need to be shy, it’s the same when we’re still so much less experienced, but the same feelings for us adults, so wisdom is innate, for sure a-a p yuri, i ’d like to talk to you just in time criminal psychologist, look, we all became witnesses, the whole world became witnesses in the month of april, we saw anything, and then we saw all the rest of the war crimes, a certain number of people in our country, in our

society, literally experienced these crimes, what they they also adapt to them too there is no ptsr or what is it called no well ptsr in its pure form we all have them everyone even those who left here still have a question as to who has more and who has less yes that is we we have ours they have nothing there everyone has ptsr well, adaptation processes are experienced by everyone in the same way, that is, do you think it is right for such people to use the help of psychologists , psychotherapists, i don’t know, maybe even psychiatrists sometimes, a clinical psychologist looks at every person in our country, there will not be enough professional psychologists, psychotherapists, and even psychiatrists therefore, there is such a word as psychotherapy, it scares people, but you should not

be afraid of psychotherapy. this help is first of all medical and non-medical, therefore, if you choose a friend as a psychotherapist best man, brother-in-law, who is nearby, the guys of a person know how to do but if these processes, well, with that process, give signs of control, set a goal, some tasks were planned to do it so easily with a bottle, just support yes , get together and drink alcoholic beverages no, and somehow do it for the sake of in order to help a person to get out of there, to provide psychological help, then this is psychotherapy , this is what is meant, if that is the case, of course , there is already a dead end, you cannot. specialists can die otherwise, psychological problems necessarily lead to physical problems and physical destruction, this is a fact here, er, another important point is that i agree with

mr. yuri that psychotherapy in general is a verbal practice, that is, we are talking about communication, discourse, discussion, voicing, voicing, articulation of what is happening, this is the first, the second, and there is such a rule , don't clean if it doesn't itch, yes, that is, no, well , again, you can't incapacitate our society. because in fact, it's fashionable now to say that we are genetically ready for war . wars in our country, many generations in one way or another are connected with the war, they fought and many other things - this is a very important point , so it is not worth it to paralyze society as a whole, and you understand the third point, but from the point of view of such a clinical psychology, trauma is always comes although it is happening now, but it seems to come from the future. that is, we cannot, at times,

rehabilitate or treat something now, because it has not yet completed such a complete reaction. where will it go? aggravation of psychological characteristics in someone with what we call something well, that is, until now we can work with very clear clinical pictures or simply provide such psychosocial support so -and-so. traumatization of society, but i want to emphasize this, and maybe even criminalization there, it always begins after the fact, as something happened, then it. for example, like the american military