i was dumbfounded, no one even knew, the neighbors came and said there, there, there, the corpse is lying in any kind of place. you can get help at humanitarian headquarters and indomitable points. only here you can feel safe, warm and comfortable. we have warmth. here you are , starling. to see, well, to talk with relatives , about 100 people like this 17-year-old boy come to each point of invincibility every day, why don't you leave yet, and there are no acquaintances to go to them, you live here by yourself, family is there, and mother and i are babushka is here on this city, here is a part of it further on, the river passes behind the bakhmutka. now i am shelling the whole city. the city is divided by the bakhmutivka river. we did not

manage to pass to the east of it. more honest people live there, but they did not empty themselves. there are nine-story houses there. there are five-story houses. they are not even there. they can cross here and there, there's a road through a dam, well, it's on a vacant lot, you can see it from all sides, a sniper is working there, whatever you want in bakhmute, according to various estimates, there are five to eight thousand civilians left it is very difficult to convince them to leave the city . it is very dangerous here. well, what should you do? leave. where did you go for 1 time? they evacuate only mostly. life to bring humanitarian aid bakhmut if

we allow we load water a full car, we get 36 liter bottles of water, then it turns out a ton of 800 water if we now how to load eh and a genetic kit yes hyena there туалетная бумага there are such pads, so we get about 100 boxes, in addition, the angels of salvation are evacuating people from such cities as bakhmut during the full-scale invasion, the volunteers of the foundation took out up to 30,000 civilians, today one very large or similar one came where 13 people were brought and there were больше рекрод 27 человек to live in bakhmut means playing a terrible lottery, where instead of a winning ticket, death awaits you wherever and whenever spreading further to other cities artem

lagutenko andriy verstyuk espresso tv channels continue the informational broadcast on the espresso tv channel our guests are already in touch new guests of our broadcast are serhii djerch, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine , the head of the public line of the league of ukraine nato greetings serhiy i wish you a good day and the games romanenko, the founder of the charity fund, we will close the sky of ukraine, general, deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, congratulations, mr. games, i also congratulate you. returned from the direction of bakhmut, we have just shown a story about bakhmut, what is the current situation? what do you think, serhiy, what can happen next? well, i think that attacks will continue in principle in bakhmut , there are many ukrainian troops, and every house, every wall is such a separate system defenses , because of the advantage, the enemy attack bakhmut does not

manage to take, they chose the tactic of encircling it from the north from the south, in particular, and because of the force of the pincers, the kurdyuminka, the charging station where the battles of our units were fought, and the idea of ​​this encirclement, semi-encirclement from the south, in order to get out, it is impossible to shell the road that connects bakhmut and the epidemic - the eastern direction to kostyantynivka. warehouse with the provision of troops with food, that is, all this will be more difficult to defend the tank well, it seems to me that our troops are gaining positions there .

local positions were changing hands right now, but in general the front line did not shift, mr. igor, in principle, how much do you think the defense of bakhmut can now delay russian military initiatives? it depends on how powerful and effective actions will be from our side, that is, it is clear that the enemy could not and cannot for a year and a half take bakhmut in the forehead, as they say, and that's why they resort to things not only in bakhmut, but look below there avdiivka maryinka, the situation is very close to that, that is so that a direct attack does not take place and then they move then similar to what they did

in lysychansk, for example, that is, the coverage is operational, this means an encirclement with all the consequences of one's point of view - this is what we see . that they are quite enough, but we need powerful support by strike forces in order to stabilize the situation, and this is fundamentally important because the enemy, if it is possible to capture bakhmut, may have appropriate prospects in a more temporary ravine kramatorsk slavyanska, what can't we allow ? tell me, mr. serhiy, the fighting around bahmut is a strategic direction for the russians, or is it primarily a political direction, what do they want to achieve in general, or can it really be considered that a breakthrough under

bahmut for the russians means a real opportunity to reach the administrative borders the political and strategic direction of the donetsk region. of course, there is a task to reach the border of the donetsk region. secondly, we need at least some success, and it is possible that these were not hamlets and villages, but some kind of city, for example, in this in terms of this, it is political, it was such a joy for the russian propagandists and everyone else, however, of course, the advance of each settlement is well, if the russians take it, then there is the next point and then the front moves, that is, in this aspect, it is worth defending, of course, every border because uh, if they leave it, then we had to strengthen the defense in the following positions, in principle, everything is difficult and not

just because if we, well, defend the position, i think that uh, well, the problem is global, like me i see that this is true with the fact that ukraine expects significant technical support, in particular tanks, planes, without such rivers, it is very difficult to make a counterattack, because of course we are equipped with small arms there, there is some artillery there. commanders about that. everything is not enough. it seems to me that such heavy equipment could revolutionarily change the situation locally , in particular, on this day, on this part of the front, mr. griv, in principle, we can understand what are now such strategic goals of the russians in this war well, if every week

we talk about solidarity or bakhmut - these are important battles, but these are battles near two small settlements in the donbas . how large-scale can the kremlin realize the futility of such strategic plans and think about some way out of the situation for themselves, although relatively without perspective, i don’t think they will come to such positions, perhaps military yes gerasimo can decide later, but he has a task until march in the administrative borders of luhansk and donetsk regions to purchase - in my opinion, this is his last military and political opportunity. strategic offensive operation and for

us this is the second stage of our strategic defense operation of the active part of the collision, that is, about 1,100 km, and this is a serious task for which there must be powerful forces, which are being formed, including reserves, and here the question is who will be able to prepare and effectively deliver blows to the enemy that would destroy his plan mr. sergey, in principle, if we talk about the continuation of the war, to what extent can western weapons play a decisive role now, to what extent is the west ready to provide these weapons

, especially against the background of russian threats, it means that weapons are being given. i think they have not taken this line return point no return passed and decided for themselves that the victory of ukraine is also their victory and for us it is very important political for ukraine to restore its territorial integrity, to restore the operation of international laws, to correct it, it can't be otherwise, and here it is, of course, for us, there are opportunities, as a constant undercurrent, today there is support, we see the consequences of rammstein - it is constant the amount of this aid that is provided is increasing, this is all hopeful. although of course we hope that the combination of the quality of the weapons of the countries in the pig and the ukrainian

professionalism and the professionalism of the ukrainian military together, it is possible to turn the situation around in the fight against the russians, who have a large number of weapons, a large amount of ammunition, which they do not regret that uh, about this combination of uh, european aid and the ukrainian skills of the ukrainian military, it can overcome the situation at the front, mr. igor, you understand what is the west afraid of when some western countries, at least when we say, believe that the previous arms deliveries did not lead to an escalation of relations between russia and the west, but if oleg is put on the bench, then it will really be such an escalation well, they probably perceive this situation in their own way, but as for germany do not want to be leaders in this and that the newly appointed minister of defense peteus did not speak about

the fact that it is not connected with abrams, but schultz discussed the issue with the president of the united states and put the question a to my the view is a friend, and first of all, the germans of the leadership and schulz in particular are looking for any opportunity to explain the situation that there is no delivery of such tanks . in this direction, it means that at least they will give permission to the countries to supply these leopards because they are produced in germany, but they did not do it and as always the processes and so on. if they had said on the 13th that well, they might go -is

understandings will apply if there are deliveries, but they are waiting for a corresponding application from poland. that is, it is a game from the other side, it is pressuring them with its military industrial complex, the statements of their representatives were related to the fact that we have a large number of leopard tanks there. one second, but not battle ready. stand up give 200 million euros and we will rebuild and build within 1.5-2 years . well, this is how you can help in the conditions when we have such battles and when we have such a need, this is such a game on blood and on the lives of our people defenders on my dear mr. serhiy, now you, as a person who has always been involved in euro-atlantic integration, are more optimistic about ukraine's accession to nato. is this again? it may slow down at some stage of the war and come

to some new agreements. let's stop here and not make political decisions here. no, no. i set it up the most optimistically. it is clear. even with the support of the public. previously, i always liked the idea of ​​ukraine joining nato. it lagged behind the desire of ukrainians to be a member of the european union in terms of the number of supporters. today, these indicators are higher than ever, they have leveled off, in fact, because people realize that security and issues are even more necessary and more necessary for citizens for the life of the country than all others. because there will be security, there will be economic development , cooperation and everything else. what about this? humanitarian cooperation is connected and so on, that's why i think that we have good positions, maybe even among the european leaders, there are these people who are dependent on russia for some reason, we know that the fsb

for many, many years conquered the growth of political movements, various political parties of various of our relatives, everything is a closed topic, maybe not always. it is also known for the own special services of these countries, however, due to their work there, due to the caution there, due to the way they vote there in support of ukraine, we understand that this thing is hidden somewhere, it is somewhere deep, i i think that this is happening less and less because, first of all, western societies perceive ukraine differently, and here we need to support and support it, i think that if ukraine frees all its territories, then the question of the already formalized accession of our state to nato will be to be solved purely technically. and what do you think , mr. igor, how far can we now hope for the situation related to the

euro-atlantic integration of ukraine? hope it is possible, and it is necessary, but the main thing in this process is that we have to win all wars and this will be the end of the process of joining the eu and joining nato, because the europeans will need more in ukraine than the other way around. in your opinion , in principle, we can now be afraid of these offensives that, uh, talk about the situation in the ukrainian-russian war or in your opinion, there will be an offensive in other directions, because on the one hand there are always reports about the concentration of troops in belarus, on the other hand they are talking about the fact that this information operation is actually in russia,

what kind of situation are you leaning towards? may be obvious. they should be expected, well, not for nothing . we keep a certain amount of forces on the northern flank on the border with belarus, which we would actually need in the east, because of such good neighbors that we have today. to keep the troops there, russia is accumulating personnel and equipment. in other directions , therefore, it is clear that there may be counter-attacks of some kind in order to divert attention from one side, from the other side , to really carry out a large-scale offensive there and in other areas of the ukrainian-russian front to igor, too, please comment briefly on this issue. i believe that the russians

are preparing. putin first of all sets a task and focuses on it. we remember the next three hundred thousand strategic reserve, which now mobilized, which are now being prepared at the training grounds of the russian federation and belarus, and what is this, what is this threat, we can already see from the previous 300,000,200 of which are brought to the front, and how does this return to the problems that we encounter in the destruction of even such a force that is, they are poorly trained, armed and equipped, but this is an additional force that we need to destroy in order to liberate our territory

. higher, more powerful, in order to be effective in achieving one's goals, thank you, thank you, colleagues , let me remind you that serhiy, the chief justice of the armed forces of ukraine and the head of the public league of ukraine, nato, we were in touch with igor romanenko, the founder of the charity fund, we will close the sky of ukraine, general mykola, deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, our next interlocutor , military expert, lieutenant colonel , reserve colonel, and participant in peacekeeping positions, serhii grabskyi. congratulations to serhii my greetings remember i want to mark our conversation with you not on a very military, but still on a military professional topic, this is the scandal surrounding purchases, which is related to the

ministry of defense of ukraine. there was an article about the fact that the ministry of defense apparently buys food for the military at significantly inflated prices . the ministry of defense itself emphasizes that this is a manipulation and turned to the security service of ukraine to investigate the theft there. true data, together with this, the office of the president of ukraine is calling for an audit and to find people who signed contracts for how much they were really wrong from the point of view of their powers, what is happening in general. i was exclusively engaged in logistics, and i have known all those procedures for a long, long time, so i did not see anything new, nothing strange, of course, the relevant authorities should look into this case and give certain conclusions, but i want to say that you know that corruption on february 25 is not

disappeared in ukraine and to say that there could potentially be people in us who want to make money from human suffering, we can with a fairly large tolerance. therefore, we have what we have, and we ourselves understand that this can happen, and i am looking forward to the reaction of the relevant authorities and the conclusions of the audit. and did you in general understand this very thing in this documentation, did you really, by and large, there were such large-scale violations that journalists are talking about, because i see some calculations that say no, not on such a scale and that exaggeration, in fact there was nothing, you know, uh, certain enterprises, since i was involved in such matters, i was involved in such matters, i always approach it very carefully because, you know, a document taken out of context can be presented as a really big problem, as a serious violation

on which entails such consequences, of course , precisely because i was involved in it, i would call on everyone to calm down and for our relevant authorities to sort it out. and can this happen again without being tied to this situation i can say that yes, well, even you know , after 20 years, you can say, when such a concept was introduced as outsourcing of a-a food, it was such a thing. according to some information, the rollback of the relevant structures amounted to one hryvnia per day, well, that’s right this is just an example, but for you to understand, this outsourcing involved the issue of providing for 75,000 military personnel, so you can estimate here that 1 hryvnia per day and a year went to people of huge wealth worth millions of dollars, yes, that is exactly why i

emphasize once again that i have i obliged to be very be careful in your conclusions, because you know , using mathematical models, you can imagine the amount of money circulating in the ministry of defense, and that's why i just pray that the audit will give an appropriate assessment. you probably know the accusations against the ministry of defense. now we are getting to such a level or such a situation when we have to understand that it is impossible to cheat with impunity because there is simply no money in the budgets for this there are also corresponding structures, at least the wealth has gone, as they say in russia, so absolutely , and therefore here i would say that the relevant structures have been given an order to do at least something to show that they are doing at least something and

at least somehow have the right to eat for our taxes, i want to talk to you about the meeting that was held with the generals of the brave emily, but now they say that they were developing a plan for the de-occupation of ukrainian territory. do you believe in the realism of such agreements, absolutely, absolutely, i will tell you more it is this list of weapons and those statements that sound like all the nns. a couple of days ago i had to talk with the cool walker . they testify to the fact that our allies are absolutely realistically counting on carrying out a certain set of measures that led to de-occupation and there is a certain sense in this, because, let's say , the patience of taxpayers is not infinite, and investing money that can be destroyed every second by russian strikes does not add weight to the weight of the gulf election process and from

the relevant political forces that are at the head of such states may be affected by this, accordingly, and there is such a request from the respective structures and relevant political parties and movements in order to somehow end this matter. because it is very costly and these costs are money. when we talk about the western help today, take something from heaven, and this is taxpayers' money. well, on the other hand, if you look at russia's point of view, you will see that it must be dragged out to infinity , so that it is absolutely absolute. infinity because we say so, they know with just such a very strange stubbornness they constantly shoot themselves in the foot destroying the foundations of their as they say and allied and economic eh basement eh this turd as they

say from kazakhstan the situation with china is unclear what they they want to do well, there china, i don't want to get some unclear movements inside the economy, or tea or rumors that they will conduct mobilizations and in connection with that, the people are also sitting on their suitcases. i have conviction that few russians will flee because of it that who wanted to run away ran away but you know this kind of uncertainty somehow does not add stability in the same way in russia it is already obvious uh-uh already trillions of rubles if i am not mistaken uh-uh internal debt and budget deficit and they are also on the one hand and on the other hand declaring such statements about prolonging the war, they are very, very limited in their capabilities . and why then did russia start threatening nuclear weapons again a few days ago ? the state of the west is threatening you, eh, this

may end in a world-scale tragedy that will destroy the western countries. well, you know, this is one of those tricks that they threaten with, but never ever use. and you know, from time to time, such an eh, escalation of nuclear blackmail will occur in particular, they had to somehow react, albeit in such a way, to such a demonstrative supply of shock weapons in ukraine, and to answer them actually there is nothing, they cannot show something equivalent , but in this way they show their to the internal consumer, how capable they are and how they point the event to the appropriate place. according to their opinion, a z - but they won't be able to do anything about it. recently, the new york times had an article about n- devoted to the fact that the

american administration is advancing to understanding of the need for the deoccupation of crimea. and do you think it will advance, it will advance, it will advance , you know, even such previous strategic tasks, and we understand that if we simulate the situation and assume that crimea is liberated, then in fact russia's aggressive intentions will be literally blocked by a couple of ports of the north caucasus , and in this way, very wide opportunities are opened to provide ukraine with military equipment and other materials, and this opens the so-called logistics corridors, and on the other hand this expands the food supply corridor for the country of the so-called big rooster and other countries of the world, so it is definitely not only the united states that are interested in this, but this is the task of the entire world community

do you think that this can happen, let's say, before the deoccupation of donbas, or is there no such priority right now ? on the front we are already quite seriously influencing the enemy and let's say this in the area of ​​the kherson triangle, the enemy cannot increase its forces and means to a certain limit that guaranteed the inviolability of this area because we are constantly we strike by understanding it and destroying its infrastructure by destroying its command centers and personnel concentration points. in this way, we have already created the prerequisites for our promotion of the supply of such weapons, which have already been declared and transferred to us, which indicates that we will expand the geography of such strikes, and the supply is precisely about it