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this minister's name is mr. lozynskyi, his name is vasyl, you could see the photo of this money received yesterday and today it was already reported in the cabinet that he was fired well, what was this money paid for, apparently for the purchase of generators that was supposed to make this purchase of the ministry ministry what do you know about this case, about its details, please, about this case now. the most that is known is from what the anti-corruption prosecutor's office and the national anti-corruption bureau communicate about it. i'm sorry to steal from generators in a country that has certain energy challenges. well, this is already the bottom. yes, on the other hand, if it is possible to mark it as positive, i am happy that our anti-corruption infrastructure is working. yes
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, we created it specifically so that such cases could happen. how about you they said yes, to slap on, on, on, well, on the very let's say this from the beginning, if no other e methods are working there, let's say somehow, transparency, compliance, or even the very existence of the possibility of such noise , you can be slapped for a bribe. well, then already bodies are starting to work. and it seems to me that this is a good answer to all critics that we will have corruption bodies that do not work, which sometimes arise both in our country and abroad, but this is a great example of the fact that they work and i hope that the investigation will be completed in the future to prove to the court and a fair decision will already be made, well, in general, you know, i even wrote about this yesterday, if the minister actually does not have the right to sign, and if i am not mistaken, they are carrying a $400 million bribe, then i can only
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to imagine what kind of bribery the previous minister had in a full-fledged one without a prefix, well, you can only fantasize about it there. yes, and think about what it will bring here. i will correct you so that no one later accuses of inaccuracies that $400,000 , yes, millions and $400,000, because i in the billions, millions, we were just talking about defense mines, the ministry of integration, the ministry of integration, god, the ministry, please remind me what it is called correctly, it has been in their name for a very long time, yes, the infrastructure of the regions , and i am happy that they are the result the unification of two ministries. yes, that's 300,000. of course, this official. the unification of these two ministries took place very recently, at the end of november or in december, and in fact, before that, he worked for a long time as the deputy minister of regional development, and
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this case began in september of last year. that is, it is very fresh and related, again, it returns to millions of billions that in the summer of 22nd, the cabinet of ministers allocated almost 1.7 billion hryvnias for the restoration of critical infrastructure facilities and to provide the population with light electricity. yes but as he himself claims, within the scope of the investigation , it found out that officials at the central and regional levels of the executive authorities decided to improve their financial situation a little bit, and here it seems that it is not only p. lozinsky, it is simply that he is the most talked about now, but he himself claims that there were other detentions and in general nabu said that 150 employees of nabu themselves chose to participate in this operation, so i think we can learn a lot more interesting things during the next week but again , this is a good sign that they provided i hope they did not allow uah 1.7 billion to be sprayed
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on generators, eh, what is it morally to explain in general, it is very, very, very difficult to imagine, please specify how many employees participated in this special operation, and 150 is unbelievable, well, let me remind you that the previous manager of mr. lozynskyi was oleksiy mykhailovych chernyshov and obviously i, well, i said i wonder how much a full-time minister was wearing then, he is now the chairman of the board of naftogaz of ukraine and we are so smoothly transitioning to the predecessor of mr. chernyshov in this position , mr. andrii e kobolev, who is currently under suspicion and tomorrow the court will continue the consideration of the preventive measure for kobolev tomorrow, january 23, the higher anti-corruption court will continue the consideration of the petition for the selection of a preventive measure against andriy kobolev, the former head of the management of nac-naftogaz of ukraine, what do you say about this
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case, how much ? is he on bail or not, let's start with this, it's hard to say, because we only heard what the prosecutor's office said, which believes that he has the opportunity to influence eh that he eh, well enough has the opportunity not to appear but we didn't hear the main thing honestly, well, the main thing is to eavesdrop on everyone yes, we didn't hear the defense side because they said that they didn't have time and this one sounds completely horizontal with all the materials on suspicion because very little time has passed just a few hours, i think that tomorrow we will learn more, but here i emphasized the fact that i will remind others that this story concerns the case of sap and nabu, who believe that the bonus was illegally paid to e. p. kobolev in 2018, if i am not mistaken
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i can confuse the 18th or the 19th year. the 17th year was a hell of a year for the 18th year as a result of the fact that naftogaz won the holin arbitration and in fact, well, it cannot be said that it earned but did not let the country lose 4.6 billion e dollars and the bonus was paid out, kobolev also received a bonus in the amount of approximately 10 million dollars. at that time, i noticed that there were many conversations about the fact that, well, if it is 10 million dollars, then for sure he stole it and for sure it was not possible for him to receive such a false statement, there is, again, a social network, and why is this the heads of the company receive such huge funds. when such a salary is small, the average for the country is also wrong, because if we want to have good results, in fact, naftogaz, during the time of kovalev's team, won and won in the
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stokolnytskyi arbitration. then qualified personnel must be made good, good money, good salaries . yes, in the public sector, they should be the same if we want to have people who work professionally and not search and organize criminal groups in order to grab a piece somewhere, e.e. on some, for example, side purchases, so this case actually for me , there are still many questions here, e.e. i believe that the higher anti-corruption court, if the case is eventually referred to the court by a trio of judges will be able to figure it out and make a fair decision. that's why talking about whether kobolev is guilty or not guilty is more likely not guilty, because there is a presumption of innocence, and suspicions are just suspicions, so we'll see and tomorrow we'll even be interested to see what will happen lawyers say what will be the result of the preventive measure, because uah 365 million, mr. andrii, let's go now, well, in essence, the
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claim is that this document is a regulatory act. i do not know that any civil servant cannot write out a bonus for himself more than the annual bonus, the annual bonus cannot be more than his salary for 36 months. are there such restrictions or not? it concerns joint-stock companies, and national joint-stock companies. what is naftogaz? we still need to understand this, because there are different opinions, because you understand that in jurisprudence, accuracy and every comma and word is important. well, it turns out that now the sap cartridges have read it, so mr. kovaliv could n't get such a bonus, that's why they talk about this difference between 37 million hryvnias and uh,
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28 0 almost million hryvnias, the difference is 230 - that's something he shouldn't have received . i think the defense will have its own arguments and once again i will repeat that all the same after all, we have to wait for the judicial review, if it will be, because there are both pros and cons, and now i can say whether i am guilty or not, well, i definitely cannot take on such an obligation, you just mentioned arbitration, there is another opinion . let me give it to myself i will read it alternatively, yes , oleksiy kucherenko, a deputy of ukraine, a former minister and governor, he is the head of the region and the deputy is now a native. well, he always opposes naftogaz, he considers them thieves, well, this is his personal position, what he wrote about these winnings literally one day ago there were two lawsuits by naftogaz against gazprom, it seems that the one won by gazprom and the koboliv companies was the first in terms of the price of gas. naftogaz demanded $14 billion in compensation for a non-
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market price. the result was that naftogaz lost. naftogaz was recognized as having a debt of $5.1 billion instead of $4.5 billion. the dollars offered by gazprom actually paid naftogaz at the time of the trial 3.1 billion debts to earn gas, the board remained 2 billion according to the court decision, the second regarding transit, naftogaz won this lawsuit thanks to one overriding point of the binding agreement of the fifth year in quotes, transit or pay for the so-called criminal contract. in the ninth year, 110 billion cubic meters of transit gas were strictly determined, but in reality there were about 90 billion cubic meters of gas. well , this oleksiy mentions this agreement, this battlefield, his party leader tymoshenko signed the so-called court for this harvester of the year awarded compensation from gazprom 4.6 billion dollars and then a simple settlement took place in the stockholm arbitration with the consent of naftogaz 4.6 billion -2 billion loss is equal to plus
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2.6 billion dollars as if victory and even for such a result is scum. well, for the time being, what kucherenko calls the managers of naftogaz paid themselves bonuses from the 4.6 billion profit , misleading the supervisory board. that's right, but in fact the expression was 4.6, but 2.6, as oleksiy kucherenko claims, well, the well-known expert is still on gas and what do you think about this too, or are you aware of the substance of these arbitrations, mr. andrii, look at the substance, i am not aware, but you understand for me that 4.6 billion , that 2.6 billion, well, mr. politician, yes, let's call it what he, a politician, emphasizes this as if it is so very easy to feel the difference of 4.6 and 2 billion, and without naming who paid what to whom, what premiums and in what amount, if we talk about it purely by
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numbers, and for 2.6 billion dollars, what was saved and this happened sooner than everything under the leadership of the head of the company. understand that there were other companies involved in this, i mean the legal ones. does he not think that this is a normal, normal practice? they paid out hundreds and not billions of dollars, because in his wording it sounds like that, well , on 4, 6 and 2,6 and that's why they are all as he named scum, well, this is a bit of a manipulation, eh, i’ll repeat the details, i don’t know, but for me, purely mathematically, it doesn’t have a special meaning , because it doesn’t matter. because the bonus was written out as a percentage of the winnings, if i’m not mistaken, 1%, they took 1% as a bonus % and 2%. well, any percentage from 2.6 to 4.6 is a difference of two times, understanding , two times, but almost twice, as you can see , it turns out that we now have a third position,
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yes, that is, nabu himself thinks that in general, that is, this percentage is er, it shouldn't have been like this because there are restrictions, protection, most likely with the second position will not agree with this and there is a third position yes and p curly about the fact that there should have been 1% even four and six and from 2.6 e and then it is ok from his point of view but at least even this ether i will find out what is there is still some third opinion, and i think there will be a fourth and a fifth, well, let's leave it all to the discretion of the court, then a simple question to finalize it, i ask everyone, do you know at least one manager of a private company, a manager of a non-owner, and managers who receive an annual bonus in the amount of 10 million dollars on average in ukraine there are no such people among my acquaintances, and i just don’t really know companies the size of naftogaz, the country and
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winning cases in the amount of 2.6 or 4.6 billion. eh next means we talked about it we talked about it let's talk about nabu for the position of director nabu will continue to compete 22 candidates are offered to be decided to be decided by the commission who are these people and what is the selection screen they used for the selection they are going through please in the last as many as possible say a month and a half. two stages of selection have passed. one of them took place around the new year. on december 29-30 this year, there was another stage of selection, and now these two candidates have moved on to the intermediate, let's say, the final . the next stage is preparation. there are 22 candidates who have already definitely reached the level of the interview, but before the interview what should happen is the so-called writing of the practical task - this is
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where the legal let's say cases will be considered and the participants must give their written answers after that student interviews will be organized with there are 22 candidates in total, as i called them, and to say now that there is someone very good or very bad, i will type. because our organization will still analyze all these finalists from a positive point of view, i would note that approximately 10 people out of these 22 are active employees of the national anti-corruption bureau of ukraine, and for me this is a positive sign that indicates that 7-8 years ago the vector of development of the body was correct and this means that these people are ready to further develop the institution and believe in this institution that's why they participate in to this competition, just a couple of days ago, one of the members of the dragokos commission, one of the foreign experts, said that in 2-3 months we should expect the final three, which will be
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submitted to the cabinet of ministers for consideration for appointment to the post of chairman, why two- three months ago, the commission decided that they want to meet face-to-face, not online, but because now part of the members of the commission are in ukraine, some are abroad, they plan to meet in ukraine and conduct interviews in principle two or three months to thoroughly prepare and conduct interviews. it seems to me that this is not such a long period of time and it fits perfectly into the obligations that ukraine undertook in the recently signed memorandum with the european union regarding macro-financial assistance to ukraine on march 16 in our it will be one year since we don't have a head of a full-fledged zookeeper eh there eh he is busy well he is the first deputy actually performs his duties eh i apologize april 16 i said april april what month is march
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april 16 of course a year passes when the chairman will be full-fledged, let's see. we have an obligation that the competition should end in the first quarter of this year, and the appointment should take place later in the second quarter, that is, did one of the members of the commission just say that the final three will be ready to be presented there in two- three months well, let's give it two months, that is, by the end of march, there should be a final three who will represent the cabinet of ministers from which of the three people. they should choose one who will head the body, because for me, a maximum of by the end of spring, we should already have a permanent head. thank you. well, let's hope that it will be like that. yes, mr. andriy. well, in general, how do you assess the recent revitalization of the work of law enforcement and anti-corruption agencies,
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there are many high-profile ones and, well, the ministry of defense and the ministry of of the region. what do you think it will end up with? well, it's an inter-regional matter. how much time can she stretch with this bribe? what do you think? we don't know any details of the case, except that the public communicates to the sap. i think there's also a mystery of the investigation. but in general, this is the way it is. i think it is definitely connected with the fact that in the summer we had a permanent head of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office and many cases that were waiting. that just every day. sometimes it seems to me that cases related to electronic declarations are referred to the court. if the investigation has already found these evidences, why is this case waiting? let's take it to the court and let the court decide whether it is obvious.
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a person or not. but there is revival, but again, here you can look at it from two sides. on the one hand, this means that corruption has revived in us, and i think that no, i think that this is precisely part of the fact that real anti-corruption independent bodies they begin to work more actively when they, for example, lacked a link, so there was a permanent manager in sap, but in reality , nothing has changed in terms of authority, as the head of the company is actually a full-fledged manager, although he performs the duties of a manager, they just are doing their job and what they should be doing in relation to other law enforcement agencies , it is difficult for me to say because i mainly observe it only in the media and where it is difficult to track where and how these cases end in relation to the corruption infrastructure . it is a little simpler but easier to see because you are also an anti-corruption court quite open and they are actively communicating all the meetings that
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take place in them and all the cases that they just have one more case i will ask you, to be honest, i forgot about it, many cases, many , many events happened literally two days ago well, our journalist colleague mykhailo tkachuk made public the information that the deputy general prosecutor, his name is oleksiy symonenko, spent the new year's holidays during the war in sunny spain, of course. well, it is not in bakhmutish for him to spend this holiday and welcome the new year. he wrote better on facebook that law enforcement sources confirmed that the official was in the spanish city of marbella, and it was half way to the south. he was also there long before the war for 10 days, well , a full-fledged vacation from december 30 to january 8. well, with vacation photos on instagram simonenko's intelligent wife, that's why it became known now. maybe we wrote this photo with his son and we'll see. it's hard to wait for a loved one, and it's even harder to say goodbye, and there 's a picture of simonenko with his son. that's how
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it is. the car of lviv businessman and local deputy hryhoriy kozlovskyi, who is the owner of the tobacco business of the tobacco factory here, in addition, simonenko was accompanied by a bodyguard from kozlovskyi well, what does the tobacco businessman kozlovskyi have in common with the deputy of the prosecutor general and on what grounds semenenko left ukraine in the conditions of martial law is unknown, the journalist wrote, well, let me remind you that symonenko held the position of one of the deputies of the dictation before. lviv or kyiv or kharkiv businessman a-a i think that even in this difficult time it is normal to take a vacation er-er of course there is always an ethical question whether to spend it in ukraine or abroad a-a that's why it's absolutely at the discretion of this person er-e especially it is necessary to always take into account the level of the position er yes this person is the deputy
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prosecutor general - this is a very high position as in ukraine, so i have a moral and ethical question here why was it to do yes and the second is true and what is the connection between the deputies of the general prosecutor and businessmen, which is quite large in western ukraine, and why is he accompanied by his bodyguard and he uses his car , that is, there may be some kind of conflict of interests or friendly relations, and here goes on it is possible to make assumptions. and how do these friendly relations affect the deputy prosecutor general when he makes a decision or not and what is happening in general mykhailo tkach asked this question in my head, it also echoes in my head in general, what is happening like how this can happen at all, especially now when the leadership is in a state of war with russia ah and such a direct bouquet of one to the other eh. i hope the general
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prosecutor's office will react, at least i haven't seen any reaction in these two days. i think that the general prosecutor definitely has something to do with it react to a and e, at least try to explain to society why this is happening, what is his personal relationship with his direct subordinate, who is on vacation, that i will repeat myself again, it is normal, but in this way, uh , that's why i hope that from monday everyone will return to the offices and we will see some kind of reaction . thank you, andriy borovyk the executive director of transporing is international ukraine on a direct call and we have already waited for danylo miru, a member of the dnipro city council, i'm sorry , mr. danylo, what made you wait tell me please. well, where did you rest for the new year? did you also go to marbella as the deputy prosecutor general of ukraine or not? congratulations studio. yes, no. new year's, i was at my family's house because i have a small two-month-old baby, so it can't be about that, can it be kai ? you know
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, people are probably not in the mood today in ukraine to celebrate any holidays, so you know, when you are near a house destroyed by terrorists, i can generally hear these conversations of yours, this is a parallel reality. window film to people earn money and make plywood so that you don't freeze for the first time in the winter, but you see , other ukrainians have other problems. it was a grotesque couple. danylo, that's me, to the point that absolutely every ukrainian can easily drive off for 10 days on the new year's day in the car of one of the richest people of galicia to go to marbella or to poland go further get on a plane fly there spend there no not a cheap resort i will say that we also have rich people that is why we all have a lot of rest tell us what
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is the current situation with this house you are talking about did you remember that they also found a large amount of money there, by the way, the football player filatov said that it was not stolen and they are waiting for the owner, has the owner been found yet? i understand that he must explain for sure the origin of this money, if it is really his amount, what is happening there now, please, dear a memorial service for the dead took place in the morning today, a lot of people came because there were a lot of flowers and now there are flowers at the bus stop, which is located directly opposite the building under the building itself. tears and egor were here in the morning near the house, but even before the amount, there is really information that a very large amount of money was found, i don't think you know what the point is about the origin, but about the person proving that it was his money, i think either the amount, probably, or some kind by other
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means, at the moment i have such information to find the owner of this money, i do not have such information, but in the morning, i repeat once again, the memorial service took place. many of my apartments are already without light, now it is already evening, the topic is that there are many, where in the house the light is on, but i know that according to my information, the 16th entrances have already been restored, the water and heat supply has been restored, er, 14 entrances have e -e already works e-e summer in events and gas is also supplied, that is, in principle , very quickly, all services are already turned on here, the victory embankment is completely
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here . life is such a place of a rocket attack , that is, an examination on the safety of further flashing is completed, the house is recognized as habitable, people are returning , there is water, there are elevators, there is light, there is just no, well , recently kyrylo tymoshenko said literally three days ago that 200 apartments 200 apartments are unsuitable and they need to find a replacement to these residents now it turns out that they are already suitable for living or am i wrong look look well there is a little bit wrong there, er, somewhere around a hundred apartments today writes well, i don't know from what sources, er, he took this from kirill tymoshenko, but i can say that what has already been examined, what has already been done to date,
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is about a hundred apartments that will unfortunately be dismantled, this is a fact. and this is different. a very detailed examination will be conducted in the coming weeks. i think there will be a full verdict. on the issue of these apartments, and those apartments that could be restored, you know, the windows were blown out of all the apartments and the frames . in double-glazed windows in the building, well, the city government was now involved in everything, you can say that i, as a deputy of the city council, yes, i can say what is done , the local self-government does, yes, that is, what you do here locally, the double-glazed windows were changed, guided by the authorities with these communal enterprises, i know for sure that
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all debts have been canceled there, including for apartments that concern the city council. yes, this is the city horvodokanal, that's well, those who are connected to the city council, it's clear, just look, i didn't come up with it. of the president's office, he himself is at the place of the photo. he is walking near the house and says that we understand that more than 200 apartments are, in fact, destroyed, and our most important task is to resettle all the people and help in the restoration of this building, that is, the information is incorrect from tymoshenko that he gave about 200 i i think that interspersed information i am talking about one thing, that there are apartments that are located by the government with a rocket attack yes, and they will also be dismantled and that is, in a building of apartments, then how many apartments are there in total in the building in the building 1,100 apartments, of course, this is an 18-door
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house. it is like a half-breed, that is, a very large house, and there are others here, even about those about those apartments that. the light is already on, that is, in this matter they will examine very strongly and understand where it is possible and where it will not be possible for people to live. well, i think that kyrylo tymoshenko just needs to go once to inspect the dnipro. maybe the situation there has changed. in short, how many people remain in hospitals 80 there were victims what is their condition literally 15 seconds you have now look at what i know at mechnikov hospital what happened at the end of the week there were two serious ones two two were previously transferred to normal wards two serious ones so the doctors are doing their best there it was still visible

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